[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]The PS3 and 360 are arguably better systems than the Wii, if software is the basis. Fair enough, I agree with that assessment fully. There really is no arguably involved, the HD twins *are* better systems than the Wii, unless you REALLY like shmups, light shooters and other niche genres of the sort. But the DS vs the PSP... the PSP had superior tech, and that did not help its case one bit. I'm not saying this will be a repeat telecast (on the contrary, I actually believe that the difference between the PS Vita and 3DS will only be a few million units, if at all). I'm just saying, isn't it premature to pronounce one handheld as 'superior' simply based on the tech, when history has given us enough indication that in the handheld market, tech is the last thing that matters?I don't disagree with the statement about the 3DS and PSV. It was just a small discrepancy that struck me in the list of system "losers."[QUOTE="charizard1605"] But that wouldn't matter, seeing how that did not help the N64, the Gamecube, the Xbox, the Playstation 3, and perhaps most relevant to this discussion, the PSP. It's the games that count ;)charizard1605
If PS Vita fails to beat 3DS is it a failure for Sony?
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Fair enough, I agree with that assessment fully. There really is no arguably involved, the HD twins *are* better systems than the Wii, unless you REALLY like shmups, light shooters and other niche genres of the sort. But the DS vs the PSP... the PSP had superior tech, and that did not help its case one bit. I'm not saying this will be a repeat telecast (on the contrary, I actually believe that the difference between the PS Vita and 3DS will only be a few million units, if at all). I'm just saying, isn't it premature to pronounce one handheld as 'superior' simply based on the tech, when history has given us enough indication that in the handheld market, tech is the last thing that matters?I don't disagree with the statement about the 3DS and PSV. It was just a small discrepancy that struck me in the list of system "losers." When I listed the PS3, I actually had the Xbox more in mind than the Wii, if I'm honest, and the competition gets much more interesting on that front :P[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]The PS3 and 360 are arguably better systems than the Wii, if software is the basis.
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Oh my god I can't believe most of SW thinks that Sony wouldn't call spending billions of dollars in R&D only to be outsold by your main competitor anything but a failure.
I loved my GameCube. I played a lot of good games on it. Was it a failure? In an overall business sense, I suppose so yes. It didn't sell very well.
Why can't people stop making excuses "they've done better than everyone else has!" and hold people accountable
You don't tell all the other teams in the NBA during the Boston Celtics 8 straight championships in the 50's/60's who lose in the finals to Boston "You guys did the best for all the losers, but no trophy for you".
They're aiming for system profitability from day one. The venture as a whole will be profitable. They have no expectation of outselling the 3DS.Oh my god I can't believe most of SW thinks that Sony wouldn't call spending billions of dollars in R&D only to be outsold by your main competitor anything but a failure.
darth-pyschosis
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyXxX"]Modern Warfare 3 on the PS3 will outsell 3DS, so no anyway.CallOfDutyXxXAre you high? The entire Call of Duty series PUT TOGETHER has not sold more than ANY NINTENDO HANDHELD IN HISTORY. The 3DS might not follow in the 150 million selling footsteps of its predecessor, but heck, its bound to sell at least 60-70 million units. If you think that Modern Warfare 3 will outsell that, and on only one system, then I don't know what to say to you :lol: How much did DS sell? I'm sigging this for future ownage.
You really think MW3 is going to sell 50 million copies? Honestly that's the worst I could see the 3DS ever doing.
That's totally unrealistic and irrelevant to say MW3 will outsell the 3DS, also the PS3 version of COD usually sells less than the 360 version anyway.
You're comment is off topic, and I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by stating it.
BTW, the DS has sold 150 million units. The GB/GBC sold 100 million, and the GBA sold 80 million. So even if they stopped making Nintendo handhelds today, it'd take COD a long while before it ever approached that realm.
They're aiming for system profitability from day one. The venture as a whole will be profitable. They have no expectation of outselling the 3DS.[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]
Oh my god I can't believe most of SW thinks that Sony wouldn't call spending billions of dollars in R&D only to be outsold by your main competitor anything but a failure.
shinrabanshou
No. They aren't. That's plain stupid and not how any business is run. Is it going to be profitable from day one? I could swear GameSpot or IGN had stories about it being profitable in "three years".
So, do we declare the GameCube the most succesful system last gen because it was profitable from day one and made a lot of money?
If they didn't want to be the premier handheld gaming company they'd just make cell phone games for Android. No, they want to be the most bought handheld.
Nobody trains, prepares for second place. If so, they deserve every consequence of their failure.
The whole "Sony doesn't need to outsell the 3DS, just close the gap" is damage control from 5-7 years in the future, and it is very comical IMO.
They're aiming for system profitability from day one. The venture as a whole will be profitable. They have no expectation of outselling the 3DS.[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]
[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]
Oh my god I can't believe most of SW thinks that Sony wouldn't call spending billions of dollars in R&D only to be outsold by your main competitor anything but a failure.
darth-pyschosis
No. They aren't. That's plain stupid and not how any business is run. Is it going to be profitable from day one? I could swear GameSpot or IGN had stories about it being profitable in "three years".
So, do we declare the GameCube the most succesful system last gen because it was profitable from day one and made a lot of money?
If they didn't want to be the premier handheld gaming company they'd just make cell phone games for Android. No, they want to be the most bought handheld.
Nobody trains, prepares for second place. If so, they deserve every consequence of their failure.
The whole "Sony doesn't need to outsell the 3DS, just close the gap" is damage control from 5-7 years in the future, and it is very comical IMO.
if this makes sense i do believe sony is ok being second in handhelds....however its not profitable at day 1 i do know that
The GameCube was a successful business venture for Nintendo despite its failings as a system. The PS2 still stomped all over it in terms of sales, software and profits.No. They aren't. That's plain stupid and not how any business is run. Is it going to be profitable from day one? I could swear GameSpot or IGN had stories about it being profitable in "three years".
So, do we declare the GameCube the most succesful system last gen because it was profitable from day one and made a lot of money?
If they didn't want to be the premier handheld gaming company they'd just make cell phone games for Android. No, they want to be the most bought handheld.
Nobody trains, prepares for second place. If so, they deserve every consequence of their failure.
The whole "Sony doesn't need to outsell the 3DS, just close the gap" is damage control from 5-7 years in the future, and it is very comical IMO.
darth-pyschosis
"For Vita, the price on performance was something we definitely wanted to hit, although we all agreed because we are PlayStation, people expect better graphics and prettier pictures, so we have all those things we wanted to achieve in terms of capabilities, but we capped our ambitions with a cost of goods target that we can profitably sell the hardware for $250.
To answer your question, we set out a goal: Yes, we're going to hit the $250 price, and no, we don't want to sell the hardware with a deficit. That's a goal we set out to do and I'm very happy we are achieving that."Shuhei Yoshida, President SCE WWS.
"I think as a business it will definitely be profitable from day one."Andrew House, Head of SCEE.
The only thing indicating losses on the platform are a google translated article from Reuters Japan.
They've stated their intentions with the PSVita to outdo the PSP. If it happens I'm sure they'd be ecstatic, but whether you like it or not there's no intention or need to outsell the 3DS.
Considering the PSV uses pretty much stock components, I really doubt they spent that kind of money on R&D.Oh my god I can't believe most of SW thinks that Sony wouldn't call spending billions of dollars in R&D only to be outsold by your main competitor anything but a failure.
darth-pyschosis
They're aiming for system profitability from day one. The venture as a whole will be profitable. They have no expectation of outselling the 3DS.[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]
[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]
Oh my god I can't believe most of SW thinks that Sony wouldn't call spending billions of dollars in R&D only to be outsold by your main competitor anything but a failure.
darth-pyschosis
No. They aren't. That's plain stupid and not how any business is run. Is it going to be profitable from day one? I could swear GameSpot or IGN had stories about it being profitable in "three years".
So, do we declare the GameCube the most succesful system last gen because it was profitable from day one and made a lot of money?
If they didn't want to be the premier handheld gaming company they'd just make cell phone games for Android. No, they want to be the most bought handheld.
Nobody trains, prepares for second place. If so, they deserve every consequence of their failure.
The whole "Sony doesn't need to outsell the 3DS, just close the gap" is damage control from 5-7 years in the future, and it is very comical IMO.
I'm sorry, but this is all very illogical. If you can carve out a market, who cares if you're not #1? If you're #2 and there's no one else, that's a pretty good deal. Businesses exist to make money, not for competition in of itself.
And no, the gamecube was not a "failure."
Edit: And nobody trains for second place? Really? I guess you can call all the olympic silver medalists "failures" just the same.
PS Vita will be the greatest portable of all time if it gets a Killzone game.Prydeswell i'm happy to tell you, there iwas some footage of it at the NGP showing. gotta look for it, but there was some really short gameplay of it. As well as a new Resistance game as well.
They're aiming for system profitability from day one. The venture as a whole will be profitable. They have no expectation of outselling the 3DS.[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]
[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]
Oh my god I can't believe most of SW thinks that Sony wouldn't call spending billions of dollars in R&D only to be outsold by your main competitor anything but a failure.
darth-pyschosis
No. They aren't. That's plain stupid and not how any business is run. Is it going to be profitable from day one? I could swear GameSpot or IGN had stories about it being profitable in "three years".
So, do we declare the GameCube the most succesful system last gen because it was profitable from day one and made a lot of money?
If they didn't want to be the premier handheld gaming company they'd just make cell phone games for Android. No, they want to be the most bought handheld.
Nobody trains, prepares for second place. If so, they deserve every consequence of their failure.
The whole "Sony doesn't need to outsell the 3DS, just close the gap" is damage control from 5-7 years in the future, and it is very comical IMO.
up to 3 years.....oh SW and it's twisted stories
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