If sales are so important why are the BIG game developing studios absent on Wii?

Where are the Wii versions of Bioshock/ Mass Effect/ RE5/ GTAIV/ GeoW1+2/Crysis2/Dragon Age etc etc? Or sales on their own give you NO advantage? Maybe you need the hardware to back them up?

or maybe because 3rd party "hardcore" games tend not to sell...at all on the wii.

or maybe because 3rd party "hardcore" games tend not to sell...at all on the wii.

dragonfly110

TC your statement is going to backfire on you, because hardcore games don't sell on the wii (so sales do matter). The wii just has a large install base.

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

or maybe because 3rd party "hardcore" games tend not to sell...at all on the wii.

True_Gamer_

Control scheme as well as the exclusives on the other systems.

The only games that sell are apparently 1st-parties. Don't seem to know why, but the 3rd parties on the wii still can't grasp that formula correctly.

TC your statement is going to backfire on you, because hardcore games don't sell on the wii (so sales do matter). The wii just has a large install base.

Espada12

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or maybe because 3rd party "hardcore" games tend not to sell...at all on the wii.

True_Gamer_

the point is that it doesnt have that hardware... thats like me saying "well if 360 had blu ray there would be no point in a PS3"

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

TC your statement is going to backfire on you, because hardcore games don't sell on the wii (so sales do matter). The wii just has a large install base.

True_Gamer_

Nope not if the people who are buying the hardware aren't going to buy your game. Hardware sales only help nintendo.

The only games that sell are apparently 1st-parties. Don't seem to know why, but the 3rd parties on the wii still can't grasp that formula correctly.

PSdual_wielder

They do, alot of bad advertising or the wii audience generally has no interest in them.

Where are the Wii versions of Bioshock/ Mass Effect/ RE5/ GTAIV/ GeoW1+2/Crysis2/Dragon Age etc etc? Or sales on their own give you NO advantage? Maybe you need the hardware to back them up?

True_Gamer_

Its simple. When the wii launched the industry laughed its ass off at it and thought it would be a failure. It wasn't however but the publishers didn't give it a chance and put all there big budget titles on the PS3 and 360 thus building up the fanbase and accustoming the user base to the type of games they would be playing. When it became clear the wii was here to stay it would already be too late for devs to change direction and move to the wii even if they wanted to. It would cost them more money than they would potentially make back. Because the big games from big companies wold sell well regardless, they had nothing to worry about and so the PS3/360 user base was still a safe and viable market. At this point its becoming too late for the wii to get big games because the fanbases have essentially already been carved. Sales are important and the lack of support for the wii was BECAUSE of the thought it would be a sales failure. It wasn't but the damage has already been done. This has nothing to do with hardcore or casual and everything to do with markets and how to sustain and please them. The wii isn't the place for RE5 and ME, its too late for that, there are still other markets to be explored however.

or maybe because 3rd party "hardcore" games tend not to sell...at all on the wii.

dragonfly110

The only games that sell are apparently 1st-parties. Don't seem to know why, but the 3rd parties on the wii still can't grasp that formula correctly.

PSdual_wielder

First party titles sell the most because they are the only high budet, recognizable IP, AAA, mass marketed games on the system. My basic knowledge tells me its not a hard thing to grasp unless you want to be willfully blind lol.

Its simple. When the wii launched the industry laughed its ass off at it and thought it would be a failure. It wasn't however but the publishers didn't give it a chance and put all there big budget titles on the PS3 and 360 thus building up the fanbase and accustoming the user base to the type of games they would be playing. When it became clear the wii was here to stay it would already be too late for devs to change direction and move to the wii even if they wanted to. It would cost them more money than they would potentially make back. Because the big games from big companies wold sell well regardless, they had nothing to worry about and so the PS3/360 user base was still a safe and viable market. At this point its becoming too late for the wii to get big games because the fanbases have essentially already been carved. Sales are important and the lack of support for the wii was BECAUSE of the thought it would be a sales failure. It wasn't but the damage has already been done. This has nothing to do with hardcore or casual and everything to do with markets and how to sustain and please them. The wii isn't the place for RE5 and ME, its too late for that, there are still other markets to be explored however.

ActicEdge

The only games that sell are apparently 1st-parties. Don't seem to know why, but the 3rd parties on the wii still can't grasp that formula correctly.

PSdual_wielder

I think the big studios don't develop a wii version for games like the mainstream ones you mentioned because the wii version would be inferior (blame the hardware) so people wouldn't buy it. I don't know about you but if I had a choice between Call of Duty 4 on Wii or PC the choice is rather obvious don't you think?

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The only games that sell are apparently 1st-parties. Don't seem to know why, but the 3rd parties on the wii still can't grasp that formula correctly.

ActicEdge

First party titles sell the most because they are the only high budet, recognizable IP, AAA, mass marketed games on the system. My basic knowledge tells me its not a hard thing to grasp unless you want to be willfully blind lol.

Is that supposed to be directed towards me? Because thats setup very weirdly.

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

or maybe because 3rd party "hardcore" games tend not to sell...at all on the wii.

Ontain

Conduit Madworld and red steel all say hi.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Its simple. When the wii launched the industry laughed its ass off at it and thought it would be a failure. It wasn't however but the publishers didn't give it a chance and put all there big budget titles on the PS3 and 360 thus building up the fanbase and accustoming the user base to the type of games they would be playing. When it became clear the wii was here to stay it would already be too late for devs to change direction and move to the wii even if they wanted to. It would cost them more money than they would potentially make back. Because the big games from big companies wold sell well regardless, they had nothing to worry about and so the PS3/360 user base was still a safe and viable market. At this point its becoming too late for the wii to get big games because the fanbases have essentially already been carved. Sales are important and the lack of support for the wii was BECAUSE of the thought it would be a sales failure. It wasn't but the damage has already been done. This has nothing to do with hardcore or casual and everything to do with markets and how to sustain and please them. The wii isn't the place for RE5 and ME, its too late for that, there are still other markets to be explored however.

True_Gamer_

No, its entireley sales lol. If the wii had been given significant to moderate suport from launch it basically would have tons more games than it does now. Anyone telling you sales are the only parameter are wrong and need to stop typing. However there is a reason why lots of lower to moderate budget games, colourful games etc are on the wii as opposed to the PS3/360. Its because they will absolutely bomb on those systems. The fact is that a wii game will cost far less and need to sell less to make money over a PS3/360 game. What you are arguing is that the wii's sales are useless, I'm saying they're not but they aren't the sole factor. The amount of PS3/360 development this gen is stupidly high and that's part of the reason so many companies are losing money. Don't think that they are immune or perfect lol. They are a part of the problem as well.

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[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

The only games that sell are apparently 1st-parties. Don't seem to know why, but the 3rd parties on the wii still can't grasp that formula correctly.

PSdual_wielder

First party titles sell the most because they are the only high budet, recognizable IP, AAA, mass marketed games on the system. My basic knowledge tells me its not a hard thing to grasp unless you want to be willfully blind lol.

Is that supposed to be directed towards me? Because thats setup very weirdly.

No, I'm talking about publishers and developers lol.

[QUOTE="PSdual_wielder"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

First party titles sell the most because they are the only high budet, recognizable IP, AAA, mass marketed games on the system. My basic knowledge tells me its not a hard thing to grasp unless you want to be willfully blind lol.

ActicEdge

Is that supposed to be directed towards me? Because thats setup very weirdly.

No, I'm talking about publishers and developers lol.

Oh okay.

Conduit Madworld and red steel all say hi.

dragonfly110

Man, this is not an argument you will win so I'd suggest not going on that path. The shear ammunition I have to destroy a stateement like this is ridiculous. Conduit and Madworld high budget? :lol: Get out of here with that man. Red steel sold a million lol, it didn't bomb in any way.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

or maybe because 3rd party "hardcore" games tend not to sell...at all on the wii.

dragonfly110

Conduit Madworld and red steel all say hi.

The wii graphical power limits all of those games on the wii TC.

Theres a reason why ps3 lost MANY of its exclusives, because of its pathetic sales.

I don't think the audience isn't there, I think it's just that there hasn't been a famous 3rd party to hit the Wii! Yes there was COD5, but everyone knows it sucked...Although it did reach 1 mil which is good despite that. If Modern Warefare were to release for the Wii and to be just as good (or not suck as bad as COD5), i believe it would sell really well!

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

or maybe because 3rd party "hardcore" games tend not to sell...at all on the wii.

dragonfly110

Conduit Madworld and red steel all say hi.

Because the types games that sell on the 360 and PS3 don't sell at all on the Wii.

Because the types games that sell on the 360 and PS3 don't sell at all on the Wii.

treedoor

or maybe because 3rd party "hardcore" games tend not to sell...at all on the wii.

Nintendo selling out all who got them where they are is the problem. Nintendo trying to take the gaming industy a few steps backwards is the problem. Nintendo is only in this business model for themselves to make as much money as possible(you can say all companies have this mentality but they have other motivations as well like good relations with third party software makers.). Third parties cannot thrive on the Wii because the Wii's audience is only interested in Nintendo games. The Wii's outdated hardware makes it nigh impossible to do a simple port between 360/PC/PS3 to Wii. Like someone else has said the 360/PC/PS3 userbase is comparable to the Wii except that the 360/PC/PS3 multiplats from third parties actually sell well unlike on the Wii. Fact is the Wii has catered to a new demographic that apparently isn't very interested in videogames in the first place so its not a big suprise third parties don't sell well.

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because the types games that sell on the 360 and PS3 don't sell at all on the Wii.

Stevo_the_gamer

Oh yes. RE4 sold 1.6 million in 3 years to an install base of 55 million. That's just amazing. Well, compared to RE5 which sold 4.4 million in a month to the PS3/360 crowd :roll:

Third parties cannot thrive on the Wii because the Wii's audience is only interested in Nintendo games.

nosedive7

This is false. The fact is that 3rd parties treat the wii audience like idiots and totally mess up thee easiest marketing plan considering this user base. If the wii audience only buys nintendo games then its because it contains recognizable characters/IPs with advertising. Why have 3rd parties put no recognizizable ips on the wii with advertizing? If this audience knows nothing of games wouldn't showing them an easy to recognize character make sense and give you an edge? The reason third parties for the most part don't thrive on the wii is because they don't try to thrive at all.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Its simple. When the wii launched the industry laughed its ass off at it and thought it would be a failure. It wasn't however but the publishers didn't give it a chance and put all there big budget titles on the PS3 and 360 thus building up the fanbase and accustoming the user base to the type of games they would be playing. When it became clear the wii was here to stay it would already be too late for devs to change direction and move to the wii even if they wanted to. It would cost them more money than they would potentially make back. Because the big games from big companies wold sell well regardless, they had nothing to worry about and so the PS3/360 user base was still a safe and viable market. At this point its becoming too late for the wii to get big games because the fanbases have essentially already been carved. Sales are important and the lack of support for the wii was BECAUSE of the thought it would be a sales failure. It wasn't but the damage has already been done. This has nothing to do with hardcore or casual and everything to do with markets and how to sustain and please them. The wii isn't the place for RE5 and ME, its too late for that, there are still other markets to be explored however.

True_Gamer_

Ok I wasn't going to say anything until I saw this post. You have NO, ok let me say that again, NO idea about game devolopement. Porting a game from the 360 to the PS3 or vise-versa isn't easy. One uses Directx while other uses OpenGL. Theres NO easy way to convert one to the other. Plus each system has it own unique SDK's that have to be used. A port from the Wii to the PS3 wouldn't be that bad since the Wii uses OpenGl but it has its own SDK too. So just because the control schemes the same doesn't mean ****.

if developers put some time into the wii I bet most of the games would be epic. Just for the simple fact that programming and development cost is much cheaper then 360 or ps3. They just need a commitment from the fans that they'll buy the gameBillGates_Money

From what i have heard, it's cheaper for the wii. Isn't that why Capcom putMonster Hunter 3 on Wii instead of PS3

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because the types games that sell on the 360 and PS3 don't sell at all on the Wii.

treedoor

Oh yes. RE4 sold 1.6 million in 3 years to an install base of 55 million. That's just amazing. Well, compared to RE5 which sold 4.4 million in a month to the PS3/360 crowd :roll:

All you asked is that those games don't sell on the wii and he told you of an example where it did. Are you downplaying 1.6 million on a game that is over 4 years old and released on 4 other platforms already to a new game in the series?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because the types games that sell on the 360 and PS3 don't sell at all on the Wii.

treedoor

Oh yes. RE4 sold 1.6 million in 3 years to an install base of 55 million. That's just amazing. Well, compared to RE5 which sold 4.4 million in a month to the PS3/360 crowd :roll:

Oh yes. RE4 sold 1.6 million in 3 years to an install base of 55 million. That's just amazing. Well, compared to RE5 which sold 4.4 million in a month to the PS3/360 crowd :roll:

treedoor

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

Because the types games that sell on the 360 and PS3 don't sell at all on the Wii.

treedoor

Oh yes. RE4 sold 1.6 million in 3 years to an install base of 55 million. That's just amazing. Well, compared to RE5 which sold 4.4 million in a month to the PS3/360 crowd :roll:

Lets see a brand new game or one thats been out for 5 years...hmmm...i wonder which would sell more...

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]if developers put some time into the wii I bet most of the games would be epic. Just for the simple fact that programming and development cost is much cheaper then 360 or ps3. They just need a commitment from the fans that they'll buy the gameAmayaPapaya

From what i have heard, it's cheaper for the wii. Isn't that why Capcom putMonster Hunter 3 on Wii instead of PS3

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]if developers put some time into the wii I bet most of the games would be epic. Just for the simple fact that programming and development cost is much cheaper then 360 or ps3. They just need a commitment from the fans that they'll buy the gameSexySasquatch11

You have NO idea what you're talking about either. But I give up. Nothing I say will change your mind. Go join True_Gamer_ in your own little fantasy world.