If shooters are the "it" genre...why are people gaming on consoles?

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#51 lettuceman44
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[QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] You added games to the console and not the PC.Cherokee_Jack
Well, if you would have quoted my whole quote, instead of just the above.......

I know, I was just explaining why I said that at first.

Sorry. :P
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#52 lowe0
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Well I know why people are gaming on consoles (i do have the big 3) but I find it funny that most gamers are playing FPS, yet fail to have even a "decent" 600-1k PC that can play most FPS. Dave_NBF

Hell, I have one of those "decent" PCs (E6750, 2x8800 GT), and I STILL choose to play FPS on consoles. It all depends on what you find to be more enjoyable, and for me, I get more fun out of either of my consoles than I do my PC.

If you have a "gaming PC" and prefer an FPS due to the controller, then yes it is "too hard for me to understand." Dave_NBF

Pure preference. I'm more comfortable with a gamepad, and that's more important to me than a missed headshot here or there.

Why on earth are FPS so popular on consoles yet most console gamers have NEVER played a good PC game? Dave_NBF
You presume we haven't. I was a PC gamer back in the day, through Doom, MechWarrior 2, Descent, System Shock, Quake, Quake II, Half-Life, Unreal Tournament, Quake III Arena, Thief, System Shock 2, Thief 2, Deus Ex, you name it. There's a box full of discs in the next room that would suggest I've played at least a few good PC games.

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#53 Dave_NBF
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Because most shooters on consoles are incredibly easy and straightforward. People who think shooters are the "it" genre don't tend to have very long attention spans, don't know what a gaming forum is and generally get pissed off if something isn't exploding every 5 seconds.foxhound_fox

best post eva...

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#54 Dave_NBF
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[QUOTE="Dave_NBF"]

Well I know why people are gaming on consoles (i do have the big 3) but I find it funny that most gamers are playing FPS, yet fail to have even a "decent" 600-1k PC that can play most FPS. lowe0

Hell, I have one of those "decent" PCs (E6750, 2x8800 GT), and I STILL choose to play FPS on consoles. It all depends on what you find to be more enjoyable, and for me, I get more fun out of either of my consoles than I do my PC.

You know how there are "animal cops" that rescue abused and neglected animals? Well, I wish I could call "PC Cops" and rescue that very solid gaming PC from neglect. Sometimes guns get into the wrong hands and this clearly is a case of a PC gone to the wrong home:/

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#55 AlexSays
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I don't like the FPS genre at all (huge RPG fan right here) but I think for me it would be because... $300 console + comfy couch + big screen > $600+ PC + my uncomfy computer chair + my lil' PC screen But then I hardly ever play FPSs so I have no more significant input. :P
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#56 lowe0
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You know how there are "animal cops" that rescue abused and neglected animals? Well, I wish I could call "PC Cops" and rescue that very solid gaming PC from neglect. Sometimes guns get into the wrong hands and this clearly is a case of a PC gone to the wrong homeDave_NBF
As a software developer, I kind of need that PC around in case I have to knock out some code from here. So if you wouldn't mind leaving it where it is, the people to whom I pay my mortgage, car notes, utility bills, and grocery tabs just might appreciate it. :roll:

But since it seems to frustrate you, I might as well mention the fairly nice 22" Samsung LCD and the Logitech G25 attached to it. They sat all nice-and-cozy-like in the next room while I spent the evening playing Call of Duty on my PS3.

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#57 pwner372
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I don't like the FPS genre at all (huge RPG fan right here) but I think for me it would be because... $300 console + comfy couch + big screen > $600+ PC + my uncomfy computer chair + my lil' PC screen But then I hardly ever play FPSs so I have no more significant input. :PAlexSays
completely agree accept for the part about FPS and your florida and buc's sigs
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#58 M8ingSeezun
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Like alot of people are saying here, Console FPS' popularity stems from CONVENIENCE and ACCESSIBILITY. A majority of the consensus refuse to deal with the hassle of PC gaming (myself included).

Don't get me wrong I play older FPS on my crappy PC. But that's exactly the point. There's virtually limited to no hassle when playing a game like Call of Duty 1, Half-Life 2 or Doom 3 on a decent PC or a PC straight out of Best Buy, for example.

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#59 Dave_NBF
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[QUOTE="Dave_NBF"]You know how there are "animal cops" that rescue abused and neglected animals? Well, I wish I could call "PC Cops" and rescue that very solid gaming PC from neglect. Sometimes guns get into the wrong hands and this clearly is a case of a PC gone to the wrong homelowe0

As a software developer, I kind of need that PC around in case I have to knock out some code from here. So if you wouldn't mind leaving it where it is, the people to whom I pay my mortgage, car notes, utility bills, and grocery tabs just might appreciate it. :roll:

But since it seems to frustrate you, I might as well mention the fairly nice 22" Samsung LCD and the Logitech G25 attached to it. They sat all nice-and-cozy-like in the next room while I spent the evening playing Call of Duty on my PS3.

cuz you need SLI 8800 GT's for coding....my point stands:roll:

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[QUOTE="SOedipus"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] You'd rather only have half the screen than a full one? :(DragonfireXZ95
If by playing multiplayer with a friend, rather than on another computer at some other location...then yes. You know...being social?

You just said Lan, which means local area network, which means in the same room. You know... being social?

Or at school :P I only own one computer so my friend/family wouldn't have anything to play on unless they brought their computer over to my place, which is kind of nerdy. I mean I play games and I'm discussing them on forums, but even that would be too much for me.
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#61 SpruceCaboose
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I hate KB+M, and if I am just going to use a gamepad, I might as well play it on the console.
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Because most shooters on consoles are incredibly easy and straightforward. People who think shooters are the "it" genre don't tend to have very long attention spans, don't know what a gaming forum is and generally get pissed off if something isn't exploding every 5 seconds.foxhound_fox

I get pissed off when my shooter doesn't have stuff blowing up every 5 seconds... It's a shooter after all....

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[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]Keyboard and mouse will be obsolete for FPS once the HD consoles get motion control. It'll happen eventually.Cherokee_Jack
Motion control is nothing more than an imitation of kb/m. It won't make anything obsolete except for dual analogs.

A KB is an inmitation of the actual gun . what's your point? Controllers evolve more drastically then Keyboards- Rumble features to at least get some senses of the action, motion senseing and triggers just like a gun. Controllers are just simply going to get more innovative like what Nintendo is doing. A more immersive way of interacting and the day the actually come out with a superb gun peripheral or controller that can be held like a gun and omni T.V.s - the interaction and immersion can't be beat by a KB and Mouse bar real life of course!! Face it the console industry is a growing industry form the days of 8bit nes gaming to what we have now with controllers- I can't even begin to imagine what controls there will be next generation. Console controls + easier to use + more immersive- rumble features + motion sensors + triggers KB + more buttons + more accurate
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[QUOTE="pwner372"]lets see, buy a $1k computer to play games on or buy a $300-$500 console to play the same games. What would the smart choice be for people who cant afford to upgrade the computer ever 2 months?Dave_NBF

The same games? Lolz. L4D is the "same game" but "oh so different." I don't see Counter-strike or day of defeat on the console also.

Ok, so there you have it, you admit that price is the deciding factor on playing the gimped version of console gamers favorite genre. The average console gamer spends a LOT of money on a LOT of games. Most PC gamers can play the same game for years due to mod support and longer replay through constant free updates. CS:S is a testament to that as well as L4D (will be heavily supported). Price really is not the point of this thread as that point has been debunked a billion times on SW.

SO to recap thus far the reasons are:

1. "couches are the it places to sit"

2. "I like ma TV and ma beer"

3. "Teh price is teh crazy"

Hmmmm....fail. ill sell you an old xps desktop with a 6800 GT and p4 3.4ghz processor for 200 bucks and it will play CS:S just fine.

a $50 original xbox plays it just fine as well.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because most shooters on consoles are incredibly easy and straightforward. People who think shooters are the "it" genre don't tend to have very long attention spans, don't know what a gaming forum is and generally get pissed off if something isn't exploding every 5 seconds.Dave_NBF

best post eva...

And its more than a little condescending and ignorant, but that is expected from the PC fans...
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I certainly hope not.. Shooters are one of my favorite genres out there.. But when it comes to teh end of the day, I would much rather have a abundence of good rpg's, strategy etc etc than shooters.
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#67 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="Dave_NBF"]

SO to recap thus far the reasons are:

1. "couches are the it places to sit"

2. "I like ma TV and ma beer"

3. "Teh price is teh crazy"

Hmmmm....fail. ill sell you an old xps desktop with a 6800 GT and p4 3.4ghz processor for 200 bucks and it will play CS:S just fine.

You forgot the important one. Preference. I prefer a console. I do not like PC gaming, and yes, I have gamed on a PC. Quite a bit before moving to consoles.
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#68 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"] + easier to use + more immersive- rumble features + motion sensors + triggers KB + more buttons + more accurate

I fail to see how motion sensing would be easier to use, or why triggers are better than mouse buttons.
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[QUOTE="anubis8515"]Because i have a Gaming pc. but i still like the controller more. Is that to hard for you to under stand.Dave_NBF

If you have a "gaming PC" and prefer an FPS due to the controller, then yes it is "too hard for me to understand." Maybe put the controller down and work on spelling, punctuation and grammar?! There is NOTHING superior about a controller Vs a mouse and a keyboard as far as FPS are concerned.

You want a bet? The option to play with a controller is there and they have started implementing that with a lot of FPS these days. I play Crysis with a controller. PFFtt.. I get finger cramps having to move forward and left, right and down when pressing 'w,a,s,d,x, keys and moving my mouse. The controler is way easier right index finger ready at the trigger. wich was ergonomicall desing for intensive gaming like FPS - why do you think controllers use triggers? right thumb ready at the 'y,b,x,a' buttons easy to access while you pulling the triggers. same with the left hand and left stick. Now with games like KZ2 they are using the sixaxis to interact with the envirnoment find a wheel to turn then you turn the wheel in real life like tilting the controller. Rumble feature- flashed by a grenade and the whole scren goes white-you can feel the rumble on the controller so you know your getting shot. so you instinctively try and lay low. I like to see you do that kind of interaction with a KB and mouse. the controller is simply easier, more interactive and in the end better to use. More people use the controller option on a PC then the KB and mouse option on a console. if it were not the case their wouldn't be so many 'Logitech, Sidewinder Pads and suff for the PC.
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#70 vidplayer8
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I game on every platform, but then again, shooters aren't the "it" genre for me.BioShockOwnz

same here. I prefer RPGs, and platformers, and the occasional shooter.

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#71 Dave_NBF
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[QUOTE="Dave_NBF"]

[QUOTE="anubis8515"]Because i have a Gaming pc. but i still like the controller more. Is that to hard for you to under stand.AdmiralBison

If you have a "gaming PC" and prefer an FPS due to the controller, then yes it is "too hard for me to understand." Maybe put the controller down and work on spelling, punctuation and grammar?! There is NOTHING superior about a controller Vs a mouse and a keyboard as far as FPS are concerned.

You want a bet? The option to play with a controller is there and they have started implementing that with a lot of FPS these days. I play Crysis with a controller. PFFtt.. I get finger cramps having to move forward and left, right and down when pressing 'w,a,s,d,x, keys and moving my mouse. The controler is way easier right index finger ready at the trigger. wich was ergonomicall desing for intensive gaming like FPS - why do you think controllers use triggers? right thumb ready at the 'y,b,x,a' buttons easy to access while you pulling the triggers. same with the left hand and left stick. Now with games like KZ2 they are using the sixaxis to interact with the envirnoment find a wheel to turn then you turn the wheel in real life like tilting the controller. Rumble feature- flashed by a grenade and the whole scren goes white-you can feel the rumble on the controller so you know your getting shot. so you instinctively try and lay low. I like to see you do that kind of interaction with a KB and mouse. the controller is simply easier, more interactive and in the end better to use. More people use the controller option on a PC then the KB and mouse option on a console. if it were not the case their wouldn't be so many 'Logitech, Sidewinder Pads and suff for the PC.

Not one competitive gamer uses "rumble" and your post is riddled with so many other fallacies I will just leave it at that. This is not about controller vs keyboard.. It is about PC having the best FPS experience. Nuff said. L4D "same" game "superior" on PC.

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#72 Dave_NBF
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[QUOTE="Dave_NBF"]

[QUOTE="pwner372"]lets see, buy a $1k computer to play games on or buy a $300-$500 console to play the same games. What would the smart choice be for people who cant afford to upgrade the computer ever 2 months?AdmiralBison

The same games? Lolz. L4D is the "same game" but "oh so different." I don't see Counter-strike or day of defeat on the console also.

Ok, so there you have it, you admit that price is the deciding factor on playing the gimped version of console gamers favorite genre. The average console gamer spends a LOT of money on a LOT of games. Most PC gamers can play the same game for years due to mod support and longer replay through constant free updates. CS:S is a testament to that as well as L4D (will be heavily supported). Price really is not the point of this thread as that point has been debunked a billion times on SW.

SO to recap thus far the reasons are:

1. "couches are the it places to sit"

2. "I like ma TV and ma beer"

3. "Teh price is teh crazy"

Hmmmm....fail. ill sell you an old xps desktop with a 6800 GT and p4 3.4ghz processor for 200 bucks and it will play CS:S just fine.

a $50 original xbox plays it just fine as well.

Wow the xbox has CS:S? please link. Unless you are referring to the horrible CS: condition zero game that flopped.

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And its more than a little condescending and ignorant, but that is expected from the PC fans...SpruceCaboose

And yet the last time I spent a significant amount of time gaming on my PC was Max Payne 1 & 2 in late April... and STALKER, the last "shooter" I played was in early April.

If I were a PC gamer, my time spent gaming on it this year definitely wouldn't help validate that claim very much.
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#74 SpruceCaboose
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Not one competitive gamer uses "rumble" and your post is riddled with so many other fallacies I will just leave it at that. This is not about controller vs keyboard.. It is about PC having the best FPS experience. Nuff said. L4D "same" game "superior" on PC.

Dave_NBF
It would be the best on PC for you. I highly doubt it would be the best on PC for me.
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#75 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]And its more than a little condescending and ignorant, but that is expected from the PC fans...foxhound_fox

And yet the last time I spent a significant amount of time gaming on my PC was Max Payne 1 & 2 in late April... and STALKER, the last "shooter" I played was in early April.

If I were a PC gamer, my time spent gaming on it this year definitely wouldn't help validate that claim very much.

I am well aware of your gaming habits, as you mention them here. Does not change your outlook on gaming. Its still very much colored by the superiority complex of traditionally hardcore PC fans.
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I agree with the TC on the fact that FPS games are best on PC...but where I disagree is that console FPS games aren't THAT bad to play without a keyboard and mouse.
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#77 dark-warmachine
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I think it's more convenient to game on a console than it is to game on the pc.

Also don't forget about people having different preference regardless of M&K being more superior than game-pads for shooters.

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[QUOTE="pwner372"][QUOTE="SOedipus"] Because it doesn't cost you 1k to get a decent gaming rig.lettuceman44
I don't do any pc gaming and don't know gaming pc prices so I was going on what the first post said, and the TC said that a Decent rig cost 600-1000 bucks.

Hey, you know a PC can do a thousand more things than consoles right? So, if you really think about it........consoles are more expensive. So, most families would have bought a pc right? They need it for work, messaging, internet etc. Lets say that puts us in the range of 400-600 bucks. Now, that same family wants a console. So they buy lets say a 360. That costs 300 dollars. Now for games. Lets say, 3 games, 60 buck each. Then it goes up to $480. Oh, you want to play online too. Add 50 dollars to that, so we are now at 530. Add that 530 to the price of the PC, and that gives us a range of 930-1130. That can get you a heck of a PC, and PC games are automatically at minimum $10 each for the same game. So, if you buy 3 games, you save $30. It starts toa dd up. Now, instead of buying a console, you can just use that money to upgrade that PC, or include it in the PC you were going to buy.

A thousand things can also go wrong. Not everyone has the know how to update their computers, get driver support for their games, a lot of people do not know about automatic MS updates expecially when a new OS comes out- e.g. Vista was notoriously know for not being compatable with certain games- Never winter Nights beig a big one. You are not also paying for hardware but eas of use, design, conveniance and support. Computers in nature can be quite complex at times-( I know. I used to work 1st and 2nd level helpdesk support. We have whole industry of technical support for computers. Consoles, not so much. One of the basic tennets of technology is user friendliness, the way the technology is designed and how said design uses the hardware, software. If those guidelines are not met then we wouldn't have consoles as popular as they are. *Dvd and Blu ray players are designed and optimised for what they do- Play movies. *Stereo systems are designed and optimised for what they do - play sounds *Consoles are designed and optimised for what they do best - play games. Computers can no doubt do all that but it requires some level of know how, tech support, upgrading, installing, rolling back software, making sure you have enough ram, software compatability, troubleshooting. Can many people here honeslty say they havn't come across some networking issues when setting a wirelless network through out the whole house when wanting to do some Lan games? Is their a majority of PC users know the ins and outs of their graphics card, how to have it optimised to play games at their best but yet keep the performance up? What if you insert a game of Crysis that requires more power to play at a decent framerate your machine can not provide- you have to tone down the advanced settings, remove Anti-aliasing, screen resolution has to be what less then 640, make sure some background programs are not running taking up that precious ram and processing? Don't understimate convenience as a selling point as well. Other wise developers like Crytek wouldn't be placing controller support on Cryisis- (though they could have given the option to further customise the controllers layout-something they will improve on in the future) Yeah, I'd rather spend my time gaming then custom building my machine and then have to update it again every year. that time I could also be used working and making $$$ unless I was paid to actually custom build machines.
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Because recliners and couches are the "it" places to sit.;)getyeryayasout
And you cant hook up pc to TV :roll: /end sarcasm
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What if you insert a game of Crysis that requires more power to play at a decent framerate your machine can not provide- you have to tone down the advanced settings, remove Anti-aliasing, screen resolution has to be what less then 640, make sure some background programs are not running taking up that precious ram and processing? AdmiralBison
But you can still play it. Try playing MGS4 on PlayStation 2 - you cant.
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#81 AdmiralBison
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Because most shooters on consoles are incredibly easy and straightforward. People who think shooters are the "it" genre don't tend to have very long attention spans, don't know what a gaming forum is and generally get pissed off if something isn't exploding every 5 seconds.foxhound_fox
You're generalising! I play FPS's on both Consoles and PC's - but to say that shooters are easy and straight forward on a console as a negative aspect is downright ignorant. FPS on consoles are streamlined for ease of use and actually come out better as a result- So if most shooters on consoles are easy what makes the exceptions the way they are? What do you consider the 'it' genre? You can focuse more on the game, moving around the battlefield, talking to players then having t worry abou the buttons. "isn't exploding every 5 seconds.." That really depends on what kind of game you are playing.
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#82 GinoNYC
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Yeah it is funny how the dominant mainstream genre on consoles is mostly worse than the PC counterpart. Back in the late '90s when 3d platformers dominated popular gaming on consoles, at least they were best on consoles, and mostly ignored on the PC. Same for fighting games and JRPGs, when both those genres dominated. But these little n00bs who play Gears or COD all day think they're "h4r|)c0r3 5h00t3r" gamers or something.
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#83 dark-warmachine
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Yeah it is funny how the dominant mainstream genre on consoles is mostly worse than the PC counterpart. Back in the late '90s when 3d platformers dominated popular gaming on consoles, at least they were best on consoles, and mostly ignored on the PC. Same for fighting games and JRPGs, when both those genres dominated. But these little n00bs who play Gears or COD all day think they're "h4r|)c0r3 5h00t3r" gamers or something.GinoNYC
So what shooters do you consider hardcore?
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#84 foxhound_fox
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You're generalising! I play FPS's on both Consoles and PC's - but to say that shooters are easy and straight forward on a console as a negative aspect is downright ignorant. FPS on consoles are streamlined for ease of use and actually come out better as a result- So if most shooters on consoles are easy what makes the exceptions the way they are? What do you consider the 'it' genre? You can focuse more on the game, moving around the battlefield, talking to players then having t worry abou the buttons. "isn't exploding every 5 seconds.." That really depends on what kind of game you are playing.AdmiralBison

Firstly, you are posting on this board, so you don't fall into the category of people I mentioned. Secondly, I never said them being easy and straightforward was a bad thing... just that they are easy and straightforward compared to most PC shooters.
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#85 AdmiralBison
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[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"] + easier to use + more immersive- rumble features + motion sensors + triggers KB + more buttons + more accurateCherokee_Jack
I fail to see how motion sensing would be easier to use, or why triggers are better than mouse buttons.

Becsause the army uses guns with triggers and moving their guns around to point at targets then using a keyboard and mouse
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#86 ArisShadows
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Because sometimes the superioty is in where the friends are at.
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#87 lettuceman44
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[QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="pwner372"] I don't do any pc gaming and don't know gaming pc prices so I was going on what the first post said, and the TC said that a Decent rig cost 600-1000 bucks.AdmiralBison
Hey, you know a PC can do a thousand more things than consoles right? So, if you really think about it........consoles are more expensive. So, most families would have bought a pc right? They need it for work, messaging, internet etc. Lets say that puts us in the range of 400-600 bucks. Now, that same family wants a console. So they buy lets say a 360. That costs 300 dollars. Now for games. Lets say, 3 games, 60 buck each. Then it goes up to $480. Oh, you want to play online too. Add 50 dollars to that, so we are now at 530. Add that 530 to the price of the PC, and that gives us a range of 930-1130. That can get you a heck of a PC, and PC games are automatically at minimum $10 each for the same game. So, if you buy 3 games, you save $30. It starts toa dd up. Now, instead of buying a console, you can just use that money to upgrade that PC, or include it in the PC you were going to buy.

A thousand things can also go wrong. Not everyone has the know how to update their computers, get driver support for their games, a lot of people do not know about automatic MS updates expecially when a new OS comes out- e.g. Vista was notoriously know for not being compatable with certain games- Never winter Nights beig a big one. You are not also paying for hardware but eas of use, design, conveniance and support. Computers in nature can be quite complex at times-( I know. I used to work 1st and 2nd level helpdesk support. We have whole industry of technical support for computers. Consoles, not so much. One of the basic tennets of technology is user friendliness, the way the technology is designed and how said design uses the hardware, software. If those guidelines are not met then we wouldn't have consoles as popular as they are. *Dvd and Blu ray players are designed and optimised for what they do- Play movies. *Stereo systems are designed and optimised for what they do - play sounds *Consoles are designed and optimised for what they do best - play games. Computers can no doubt do all that but it requires some level of know how, tech support, upgrading, installing, rolling back software, making sure you have enough ram, software compatability, troubleshooting. Can many people here honeslty say they havn't come across some networking issues when setting a wirelless network through out the whole house when wanting to do some Lan games? Is their a majority of PC users know the ins and outs of their graphics card, how to have it optimised to play games at their best but yet keep the performance up? What if you insert a game of Crysis that requires more power to play at a decent framerate your machine can not provide- you have to tone down the advanced settings, remove Anti-aliasing, screen resolution has to be what less then 640, make sure some background programs are not running taking up that precious ram and processing? Don't understimate convenience as a selling point as well. Other wise developers like Crytek wouldn't be placing controller support on Cryisis- (though they could have given the option to further customise the controllers layout-something they will improve on in the future) Yeah, I'd rather spend my time gaming then custom building my machine and then have to update it again every year. that time I could also be used working and making $$$ unless I was paid to actually custom build machines.

You say things can go wrong with the PC. The last time I checked, my PC wasn't giving me some Red Rings of Death. I've had more hassles with my 360......as had many people. You guys keep pushing the "consoles are simpler". Well unless you knew absolutely nothing, then I don't see how using a computer is that hard...... infact, consoles are getting more complex, while PC's are getting simpler.
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#88 foxhound_fox
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Becsause the army uses guns with triggers and moving their guns around to point at targets then using a keyboard and mouseAdmiralBison

And a plastic gun with real sights like the one used for arcade versions of Silent Scope are superior to gamepads for "realism."

Gamepads are superior to mouse and keyboard for racing games... but steering wheels are far superior to gamepads. Gamepads are superior to mouse and keyboards for fighting games... but arcade sticks are superior to gamepads. But at least on a PC, you get the option to use whichever controller you prefer and are not forced to use a gamepad when you might prefer a mouse and keyboard.
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#89 Zoso-8
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Yeah it is funny how the dominant mainstream genre on consoles is mostly worse than the PC counterpart. Back in the late '90s when 3d platformers dominated popular gaming on consoles, at least they were best on consoles, and mostly ignored on the PC. Same for fighting games and JRPGs, when both those genres dominated. But these little n00bs who play Gears or COD all day think they're "h4r|)c0r3 5h00t3r" gamers or something.GinoNYC

Playing CS:S for 10 years makes you hardcore? Some people like to move on to new things.

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#90 Toriko42
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Cause the best shooters are on consoles that is why.
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#91 -Master_St3ve-
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Cus there silly.
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#92 joopyme
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my pc is crap, simple as it is.

but i've bought a dell xps so... :D

anyways, imo:

Consoles:

  1. Buy game.
  2. Pop-in game to your console.
  3. Play Game.


PC:

  1. Buy game.
  2. Make sure your system can keep up with the requirements.
  3. Install the game.
  4. Hope no errors will happen.
  5. Ugh, no couch gaming, my back hurts. :P
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#93 foxhound_fox
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my pc is crap, simple as it is.

but i've bought a dell xps so... :D

anyways, imo:

Consoles:

  1. Buy game.
  2. Pop-in game to your console.
  3. Play Game.
joopyme

Maybe during the PS2 generation and before... but with my 360 it is:

1. Buy game
2. Put in game
3. Start console, login to profile
4. Start game
5. Download mandatory update (unless I want to play it logged out)
6. Restart game, check display settings to make sure they work for your television.
7. Play game.

Consoles are much more like PC's than they are actual consoles anymore. "Plug-n-play" is a thing of the past. I also hear there are some PS3 games with mandatory installations.
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#94 AdmiralBison
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""Not one competitive gamer uses "rumble" and your post is riddled with so many other fallacies I will just leave it at that. This is not about controller vs keyboard.. It is about PC having the best FPS experience. Nuff said. L4D "same" game "superior" on PC."

Those are not fallacies. I'm not talking about competitive gamers using "rumble" I'm talking about the immersion of playing with a controller !!! "The best FPS experience" is subjective- and all those points I just mentioned supports the imerrsion, userfriendliness of playing an FPS on a console over a PC. L4D "supperior" no. it is not 'Nuff said" because that is still in the air and pretty much comes down to this argument who prefers to play the FPS L4D on a console then a PC? Guess what if given the choice people would pick up the console version over the PC- as Console popularity> PC More sales of L4D on Xbox360 then PC. Console versions of games do far better then their PC counterparts- Why is that?
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#95 AdmiralBison
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[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]What if you insert a game of Crysis that requires more power to play at a decent framerate your machine can not provide- you have to tone down the advanced settings, remove Anti-aliasing, screen resolution has to be what less then 640, make sure some background programs are not running taking up that precious ram and processing? _rpg_FAN
But you can still play it. Try playing MGS4 on PlayStation 2 - you cant.

That's a big defference. Not all computers can play modern games. My desktop has 1 g ram , 1 ghz P3 cpu and I can't run Test drive unlimted. my desktop is the PS2 of PC world can play all the older games for it's era but not todays games.
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#96 -Master_St3ve-
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I love it when people talk about stuff they don't know anything about.
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#97 AdmiralBison
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[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"][QUOTE="lettuceman44"] Hey, you know a PC can do a thousand more things than consoles right? So, if you really think about it........consoles are more expensive. So, most families would have bought a pc right? They need it for work, messaging, internet etc. Lets say that puts us in the range of 400-600 bucks. Now, that same family wants a console. So they buy lets say a 360. That costs 300 dollars. Now for games. Lets say, 3 games, 60 buck each. Then it goes up to $480. Oh, you want to play online too. Add 50 dollars to that, so we are now at 530. Add that 530 to the price of the PC, and that gives us a range of 930-1130. That can get you a heck of a PC, and PC games are automatically at minimum $10 each for the same game. So, if you buy 3 games, you save $30. It starts toa dd up. Now, instead of buying a console, you can just use that money to upgrade that PC, or include it in the PC you were going to buy.lettuceman44
A thousand things can also go wrong. Not everyone has the know how to update their computers, get driver support for their games, a lot of people do not know about automatic MS updates expecially when a new OS comes out- e.g. Vista was notoriously know for not being compatable with certain games- Never winter Nights beig a big one. You are not also paying for hardware but eas of use, design, conveniance and support. Computers in nature can be quite complex at times-( I know. I used to work 1st and 2nd level helpdesk support. We have whole industry of technical support for computers. Consoles, not so much. One of the basic tennets of technology is user friendliness, the way the technology is designed and how said design uses the hardware, software. If those guidelines are not met then we wouldn't have consoles as popular as they are. *Dvd and Blu ray players are designed and optimised for what they do- Play movies. *Stereo systems are designed and optimised for what they do - play sounds *Consoles are designed and optimised for what they do best - play games. Computers can no doubt do all that but it requires some level of know how, tech support, upgrading, installing, rolling back software, making sure you have enough ram, software compatability, troubleshooting. Can many people here honeslty say they havn't come across some networking issues when setting a wirelless network through out the whole house when wanting to do some Lan games? Is their a majority of PC users know the ins and outs of their graphics card, how to have it optimised to play games at their best but yet keep the performance up? What if you insert a game of Crysis that requires more power to play at a decent framerate your machine can not provide- you have to tone down the advanced settings, remove Anti-aliasing, screen resolution has to be what less then 640, make sure some background programs are not running taking up that precious ram and processing? Don't understimate convenience as a selling point as well. Other wise developers like Crytek wouldn't be placing controller support on Cryisis- (though they could have given the option to further customise the controllers layout-something they will improve on in the future) Yeah, I'd rather spend my time gaming then custom building my machine and then have to update it again every year. that time I could also be used working and making $$$ unless I was paid to actually custom build machines.

You say things can go wrong with the PC. The last time I checked, my PC wasn't giving me some Red Rings of Death. I've had more hassles with my 360......as had many people. You guys keep pushing the "consoles are simpler". Well unless you knew absolutely nothing, then I don't see how using a computer is that hard...... infact, consoles are getting more complex, while PC's are getting simpler.

really? so maybe you can help me with this problem _ I can't seem to get my PC to connect to my Xbox360 as a media extender because the Media service center has stoppped in task manager -i'm unable to run it again. I have tried applying media sharing but it will not accept the changes. every other connection is fine from the PC to the Xbox360 - Internet fine, connection to Xbox Live is fine. I found out the problem is it was dependent on another service which closed called "UPMNP" (what the hell is that you say? beats me I had to have it running anyway) for every RROD, disc scratch, DRM, ther is bound to be more porblems with computers. it is a fact other wise we wouldn't have helpdesk or desktop. fact- Consoles are still more simple to use then PCs see my point? more often then not more things go wrong with a PC then a console.
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#98 AdmiralBison
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[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]Becsause the army uses guns with triggers and moving their guns around to point at targets then using a keyboard and mousefoxhound_fox

And a plastic gun with real sights like the one used for arcade versions of Silent Scope are superior to gamepads for "realism."

Gamepads are superior to mouse and keyboard for racing games... but steering wheels are far superior to gamepads. Gamepads are superior to mouse and keyboards for fighting games... but arcade sticks are superior to gamepads. But at least on a PC, you get the option to use whichever controller you prefer and are not forced to use a gamepad when you might prefer a mouse and keyboard.

so this is what is comesdown to then. Choice? so what is the general choice then?
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PCs cost at least three times the cost of even the most expensive console. Also Consoles have more precise controls and a larger userbase, not everyone can pay for internet/pc/other stuff. While the shooters on consoles are superior like Halo 3 which has higher ratings than Counter-Strike: Source.
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#100 lettuceman44
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[QUOTE="joopyme"]

my pc is crap, simple as it is.

but i've bought a dell xps so... :D

anyways, imo:

Consoles:

  1. Buy game.
  2. Pop-in game to your console.
  3. Play Game.
foxhound_fox

Maybe during the PS2 generation and before... but with my 360 it is:

1. Buy game
2. Put in game
3. Start console, login to profile
4. Start game
5. Download mandatory update (unless I want to play it logged out)
6. Restart game, check display settings to make sure they work for your television.
7. Play game.

Consoles are much more like PC's than they are actual consoles anymore. "Plug-n-play" is a thing of the past. I also hear there are some PS3 games with mandatory installations.

Well, while I think the two lists here are both overdone, I am inclined to agree with you foxhound. It is no longer "plug in and play". And every moment spent turning on the 360 is praying nothing bad will happen. :P