If the latest Microsoft rumors are true...they already won this gen

so you gonna have to pay an XBL fee for cable AND Netflix you already paid for? Sounds amazing.

TC you're an effing tool.

[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]

With a $99 Xbox that can be integrated with your cable box and play any game from the Xbox marketplace. What a great idea that no on saw coming.That alone is going to crush Sony (and probably Apple in the process). That's not even taking into account the Xbox 720. Sony doesn't stand a chance.

I have to admit Microsoft's silence had me a little on edge but if these rumors are true they have really outdone themselves. Brilliant move from Microsoft.

Miketheman83

Except for the fact the rumor was that "$99" Xbox360 mini was "$149" and it sounded as if the 720 was required for it to work... SO basically you are repurchasing a 360... lol

Might as well keep your old 360 and save $150. Sounds a lot like the 32X and similar add ons... we all know what that led too.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Any game that's on the XBL marketplace. Miketheman83

The POINT of the console is to...wait what...and you are hyping this to us GAMERS...

thanks for proving my point further.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="rjdofu"] :lol:, so basically you buy another piece of device $99 (totally useless on its own), stick it onto your 720, to play game available for 2 platform, yep. It provides option which is a good thing for new gamer, but claiming ownage over this? Hahahaha.seanmcloughlin

Can the $99 thing play actual next gen games like the PS4 can though?

Not a chance, and it is $149.

.

tonitorsi

lmao.. clutch

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Why are you assuming everybody is in your position though? This thread really isn't about you ya know.NFJSupreme

Its an internet streaming device for your tv. Millions of people have a roku or boxee or some type of dedicated internet streaming device in their home. Microsoft is going after that market by offering a better device. People will buy it to replace their rokus. People will also buy it for BC if they choose to. It is a great business model and will help grow the amount of xbl users. Its really not hard to understand why this could be successful. 

so you gonna have to pay an XBL fee for cable AND Netflix you already paid for? Sounds amazing.

 

TC you're an effing tool.

Pray_to_me

The rumours are that you hook your cable, via HDMI, through the 720 companion model, and then to your TV. Allowing it to add a "Smart TV" like overlay. You can probably pay the Gold fee (assuming it works the same way as this gen) and access all of the 360 On-Demand services as well.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]So, what are you saying? Can you play durango games on the $99 box without durango?casharmy

The POINT of the console is to...wait what...and you are hyping this to us GAMERS...

thanks for proving my point further.

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Its an internet streaming device for your tv. Millions of people have a roku or boxee or some type of dedicated internet streaming device in their home. Microsoft is going after that market by offering a better device. People will buy it to replace their rokus. People will also buy it for BC if they choose to. It is a great business model and will help grow the amount of xbl users. Its really not hard to understand why this could be successful. 

clyde46

We are considering the next 360 iteration as next-generation?NEWMAHAY

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

so you gonna have to pay an XBL fee for cable AND Netflix you already paid for? Sounds amazing.

 

TC you're an effing tool.

lundy86_4

The rumours are that you hook your cable, via HDMI, through the 720 companion model, and then to your TV. Allowing it to add a "Smart TV" like overlay. You can probably pay the Gold fee (assuming it works the same way as this gen) and access all of the 360 On-Demand services as well.

Who gives a sh!t

We are considering the next 360 iteration as next-generation?NEWMAHAY

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

so you gonna have to pay an XBL fee for cable AND Netflix you already paid for? Sounds amazing.

 

TC you're an effing tool.

Pray_to_me

The rumours are that you hook your cable, via HDMI, through the 720 companion model, and then to your TV. Allowing it to add a "Smart TV" like overlay. You can probably pay the Gold fee (assuming it works the same way as this gen) and access all of the 360 On-Demand services as well.

Who gives a sh!t

:lol:

You called TC a tool, whilst completely assuming something, when you clearly didn't have all the information. Well done.

And people would buy it to play last gen xbl games? :lol:MonsieurX

Do you remember the whining when BC was removed from the PS3?

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

so you gonna have to pay an XBL fee for cable AND Netflix you already paid for? Sounds amazing.

 

TC you're an effing tool.

lundy86_4

The rumours are that you hook your cable, via HDMI, through the 720 companion model, and then to your TV. Allowing it to add a "Smart TV" like overlay. You can probably pay the Gold fee (assuming it works the same way as this gen) and access all of the 360 On-Demand services as well.

"Smart-TV" like interface. 

So basically if I have a smart TV, and a cable box, then the "compainion box-XBOX" is like... totally useless. Does this box do anything but block my already paid-for services behind a paywall? :lol:

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] No, your right however my point still stands. There are a few ways to get TV in the UK, all of them require either an integrated tuner or a receiver box. I fail to see where MS is going with this as people who have subscription TV already have a set top box. You are basically paying $99 to get another receiver box. clyde46

Its an internet streaming device for your tv. Millions of people have a roku or boxee or some type of dedicated internet streaming device in their home. Microsoft is going after that market by offering a better device. People will buy it to replace their rokus. People will also buy it for BC if they choose to. It is a great business model and will help grow the amount of xbl users. Its really not hard to understand why this could be successful. 

I would get one just to replace my girlfriend's roku because it would be a better device. Also xbl is about more than playing games. People will be buying movies, music and apps on their all under the xbl ecosystem. My only question about this new plan is will they still charge for xbl?  Non gamers aren't going to be willing to pay to use a streaming device because all of them are free. So I'm guessing part of this new plan is removing the monthly fee or letting people stream movies, use TV apps, and make purchases for free but charge for the gaming stuff. Not sure how they will execute the plan but we don't know much about the rebranding they are doing with Xbox and xbl. But if they pull it of they could see huge profits. 

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

so you gonna have to pay an XBL fee for cable AND Netflix you already paid for? Sounds amazing.

 

TC you're an effing tool.

2Chalupas

The rumours are that you hook your cable, via HDMI, through the 720 companion model, and then to your TV. Allowing it to add a "Smart TV" like overlay. You can probably pay the Gold fee (assuming it works the same way as this gen) and access all of the 360 On-Demand services as well.

"Smart-TV" like interface. 

So basically if I have a smart TV, and a cable box, then the "compainion box-XBOX" is like... totally useless. Does this box do anything but block my already paid-for services behind a paywall? :lol:

It's going to be able to play anything on the XBL marketplace, and yes, I think they will. Like I said, this thing alone will compete with the PS4, and that's not even factoring in the 720. Sony is in serious trouble.

Miketheman83

And those people already played them on their 360...don't see the point

M$ is in serious trouble

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

The rumours are that you hook your cable, via HDMI, through the 720 companion model, and then to your TV. Allowing it to add a "Smart TV" like overlay. You can probably pay the Gold fee (assuming it works the same way as this gen) and access all of the 360 On-Demand services as well.

Miketheman83

"Smart-TV" like interface. 

So basically if I have a smart TV, and a cable box, then the "compainion box-XBOX" is like... totally useless. Does this box do anything but block my already paid-for services behind a paywall? :lol:

There is only 1 if ;), and I do have already have a smart TV and external cable box. So I guess that makes the XBOX useless. 

The *ONLY* interest level to me is if it can actaully replace the cable box 100%. But I have zero interest in any device that needs to "piggyback" my cable box. 

[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]

With a $99 Xbox that can be integrated with your cable box and play any game from the Xbox marketplace. What a great idea that no on saw coming.That alone is going to crush Sony (and probably Apple in the process). That's not even taking into account the Xbox 720. Sony doesn't stand a chance.

I have to admit Microsoft's silence had me a little on edge but if these rumors are true they have really outdone themselves. Brilliant move from Microsoft.

Miketheman83

Except for the fact the rumor was that "$99" Xbox360 mini was "$149" and it sounded as if the 720 was required for it to work... SO basically you are repurchasing a 360... lol

Might as well keep your old 360 and save $150. Sounds a lot like the 32X and similar add ons... we all know what that led too.

NO, it CLEARLY states that it doesn't have a disc drive but you can put a disc in the 720 to play the game through the add on device. Meaning it is a $150 360 with less features and is little more than an add on. It's only going to be able to play XBL games without being connected to the 720. If standalone product to you means that it loses over half of its functionality (the ability to play disc based... ANYTHING) then you can go ahead and buy another $150 360. I will not however purchase a $150 PS4 add on that plays PS3 games... why? For one, Gakai, and two, I WILL KEEP MY PS3.

"Always on" cable at an additional cost... lol. I'll keep my provider... thanks though.

So they will charge for that service, and live, and an additional add on in which you already have with the 360 only with less capabilities. Sounds like quite the deal... lol

Have fun with that.

Still sounds an awful lot like the 32X etc. etc. fiascos.

I wish Microsoft good luck, but history shows that these type of endeavors do not usually work out so well. If it does, then that is great. If the cable portion kicks ass, that is great. I am not a fan boy of any console or company. I am just highly skeptical especially without any formal announcements. The fact that the 720 unveiling was pushed back for at least a month seems odd to tsay the least. It is Microsoft feeling the heat right now... not the other way around.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] It's going to be able to play anything on the XBL marketplace, and yes, I think they will. Like I said, this thing alone will compete with the PS4, and that's not even factoring in the 720. Sony is in serious trouble.

MonsieurX

And those people already played them on their 360...don't see the point

M$ is in serious trouble

The mini isn't targetting core gamers. Once you realize that it is easy to see what they are trying to do. 

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] It's going to be able to play anything on the XBL marketplace, and yes, I think they will. Like I said, this thing alone will compete with the PS4, and that's not even factoring in the 720. Sony is in serious trouble.

MonsieurX

And those people already played them on their 360...don't see the point

M$ is in serious trouble

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

The rumours are that you hook your cable, via HDMI, through the 720 companion model, and then to your TV. Allowing it to add a "Smart TV" like overlay. You can probably pay the Gold fee (assuming it works the same way as this gen) and access all of the 360 On-Demand services as well.

lundy86_4

"Smart-TV" like interface. 

So basically if I have a smart TV, and a cable box, then the "compainion box-XBOX" is like... totally useless. Does this box do anything but block my already paid-for services behind a paywall? :lol:

You realize that this device isn't aimed at  every single person on the planet, right? It's aimed at people looking to utilize the features of the console, much like any system released in a generation.

You're assuming it's blocking your cable behind a pay-wall (I assume that's what you are saying). We actually don't know how the paid services will work, or if there will actually be any, outside of potentially using the device for existing on-demand 360 services.

I know MS is planning it behind a paywall because there is NO PROFIT in a $99 box if there is no subscription. They wouldn't make such a box. Does anyone honestly think MS is interested in "competing" with the likes of Roku for market share? MS, after suckering gamers for years with XBOX Live fees, obviously has pie in the sky ambition thinking they can get serious subscription revenues from the TV market.

How they plan on extracting those revenues with existing cable operators in the picture, and with "free" streaming devices like Roku, I have no idea.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]

[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Except for the fact the rumor was that "$99" Xbox360 mini was "$149" and it sounded as if the 720 was required for it to work... SO basically you are repurchasing a 360... lol

Might as well keep your old 360 and save $150. Sounds a lot like the 32X and similar add ons... we all know what that led too.

WitIsWisdom

NO, it CLEARLY states that it doesn't have a disc drive but you can put a disc in the 720 to play the game through the add on device. Meaning it is a $150 360 with less features and is little more than an add on. It's only going to be able to play XBL games without being connected to the 720. If standalone product to you means that it loses over half of its functionality (the ability to play disc based... ANYTHING) then you can go ahead and buy another $150 360. I will not however purchase a $150 PS4 add on that plays PS3 games... why? For one, Gakai, and two, I WILL KEEP MY PS3.

"Always on" cable at an additional cost... lol. I'll keep my provider... thanks though.

So they will charge for that service, and live, and an additional add on in which you already have with the 360 only with less capabilities. Sounds like quite the deal... lol

Have fun with that.

Still sounds an awful lot like the 32X etc. etc. fiascos.

I wish Microsoft good luck, but history shows that these type of endeavors do not usually work out so well. If it does, then that is great. If the cable portion kicks ass, that is great. I am not a fan boy of any console or company. I am just highly skeptical especially without any formal announcements. The fact that the 720 unveiling was pushed back for at least a month seems odd to tsay the least. It is Microsoft feeling the heat right now... not the other way around.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] It's going to be able to play anything on the XBL marketplace, and yes, I think they will. Like I said, this thing alone will compete with the PS4, and that's not even factoring in the 720. Sony is in serious trouble.

Miketheman83

And those people already played them on their 360...don't see the point

M$ is in serious trouble

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] I think the biggest plus to these rumors is the fact that the 720 will be a dedicated gaming console and the always online, cable integration will be optional, thanks to the mini. That means that the price of the 720 won't be excessive and people can have the added features if they want to pay for them.The mini will be a pretty cool option as a standalone device also.Miketheman83

they haven't denied the rumor, many sites are reporting the same and even orthon who worked for them was defending it. At this moment the only thing left is confirmation.

I know MS is planning it behind a paywall because there is NO PROFIT in a $99 box if there is no subscription. They wouldn't make such a box. Does anyone honestly think MS is interested in "competing" with the likes of Roku for market share? MS, after suckering gamers for years with XBOX Live fees, obviously has pie in the sky ambition thinking they can get serious subscription revenues from the TV market.

How they plan on extracting those revenues with existing cable operators in the picture, and with "free" streaming devices like Roku, I have no idea.

 

2Chalupas

No, you don't know, at all. I've given a reasonable alternative to actually having you pay to unlock overlay features for your cable. That would be by having actual internet streaming services -- which are currently on the 360, and potentially more -- be unlocked with a Gold membership, or a newer alternative. Furthermore, there would be profit in the selling of the unit.

I understand this thread is based on rumours, but you are assuming  way too much. There is no indication that it will be  entirely  locked behind a Gold-type membership fee.

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

I know MS is planning it behind a paywall because there is NO PROFIT in a $99 box if there is no subscription. They wouldn't make such a box. Does anyone honestly think MS is interested in "competing" with the likes of Roku for market share? MS, after suckering gamers for years with XBOX Live fees, obviously has pie in the sky ambition thinking they can get serious subscription revenues from the TV market.

How they plan on extracting those revenues with existing cable operators in the picture, and with "free" streaming devices like Roku, I have no idea.

 

lundy86_4

No, you don't know, at all. I've given a reasonable alternative to actually having you pay to unlock overlay features for your cable. That would be by having actual internet streaming services -- which are currently on the 360, and potentially more -- be unlocked with a Gold membership, or a newer alternative. Furthermore, there would be profit in the selling of the unit.

I understand this thread is based on rumours, but you are assuming  way too much. There is no indication that it will be  entirely  locked behind a Gold-type membership fee.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]

[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Except for the fact the rumor was that "$99" Xbox360 mini was "$149" and it sounded as if the 720 was required for it to work... SO basically you are repurchasing a 360... lol

Might as well keep your old 360 and save $150. Sounds a lot like the 32X and similar add ons... we all know what that led too.

WitIsWisdom

NO, it CLEARLY states that it doesn't have a disc drive but you can put a disc in the 720 to play the game through the add on device. Meaning it is a $150 360 with less features and is little more than an add on. It's only going to be able to play XBL games without being connected to the 720. If standalone product to you means that it loses over half of its functionality (the ability to play disc based... ANYTHING) then you can go ahead and buy another $150 360. I will not however purchase a $150 PS4 add on that plays PS3 games... why? For one, Gakai, and two, I WILL KEEP MY PS3.

"Always on" cable at an additional cost... lol. I'll keep my provider... thanks though.

So they will charge for that service, and live, and an additional add on in which you already have with the 360 only with less capabilities. Sounds like quite the deal... lol

Have fun with that.

Still sounds an awful lot like the 32X etc. etc. fiascos.

I wish Microsoft good luck, but history shows that these type of endeavors do not usually work out so well. If it does, then that is great. If the cable portion kicks ass, that is great. I am not a fan boy of any console or company. I am just highly skeptical especially without any formal announcements. The fact that the 720 unveiling was pushed back for at least a month seems odd to tsay the least. It is Microsoft feeling the heat right now... not the other way around.

Read the leak again. It is a stand alone device whose core functionality has nothing to do with the Durango.  The only thing it does that has to do with the Durango is let it play 360 games. 

I believe the only service that is not locked behind the XBL Gold wall is the BBC iPlayer. clyde46

Not too sure. Still, that's largely my point. I expect many services this gen to remain behind a Gold-type membership. Speculating on MS actually making you pay a monthly fee for accessing the overlay features is just 100% speculation at this point. I'm not saying it won't happen, naturally.

How many 360 owners are seriously thinking of buying this? I'm sure as hell not.JamDev

Not really. Potentially for 360 BC, but that would largely be it.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I believe the only service that is not locked behind the XBL Gold wall is the BBC iPlayer. lundy86_4

Not too sure. Still, that's largely my point. I expect many services this gen to remain behind a Gold-type membership. Speculating on MS actually making you pay a monthly fee for accessing the overlay features is just 100% speculation at this point. I'm not saying it won't happen, naturally.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]I thought the $99 xbox was just a 360.timbers_WSU

We are considering the next 360 iteration as next-generation?NEWMAHAY

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] It's not a 360 at all. It's more like Apple tv except it has an edge by being able to play games also.Miketheman83

1)Playing old XBL games

2)Cable

= next gen?

[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] That is false. The rumors clearly say that it will be a standalone product along with the ability to work with the 720. The biggest plus about this rumor that people seem to be overlooking is that this means the 720 will be a gaming console first and foremost, and the always on cable features well be completely optional for an additional cost. Pure brilliance.

NFJSupreme

NO, it CLEARLY states that it doesn't have a disc drive but you can put a disc in the 720 to play the game through the add on device. Meaning it is a $150 360 with less features and is little more than an add on. It's only going to be able to play XBL games without being connected to the 720. If standalone product to you means that it loses over half of its functionality (the ability to play disc based... ANYTHING) then you can go ahead and buy another $150 360. I will not however purchase a $150 PS4 add on that plays PS3 games... why? For one, Gakai, and two, I WILL KEEP MY PS3.

"Always on" cable at an additional cost... lol. I'll keep my provider... thanks though.

So they will charge for that service, and live, and an additional add on in which you already have with the 360 only with less capabilities. Sounds like quite the deal... lol

Have fun with that.

Still sounds an awful lot like the 32X etc. etc. fiascos.

I wish Microsoft good luck, but history shows that these type of endeavors do not usually work out so well. If it does, then that is great. If the cable portion kicks ass, that is great. I am not a fan boy of any console or company. I am just highly skeptical especially without any formal announcements. The fact that the 720 unveiling was pushed back for at least a month seems odd to tsay the least. It is Microsoft feeling the heat right now... not the other way around.

Read the leak again. It is a stand alone device whose core functionality has nothing to do with the Durango.  The only thing it does that has to do with the Durango is let it play 360 games. 

How many 360 owners are seriously thinking of buying this? I'm sure as hell not.JamDev

If it delivers as a kick ass internet streaming device then yes ill get one to replace my girlfriend's roku. 

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I believe the only service that is not locked behind the XBL Gold wall is the BBC iPlayer. clyde46

Not too sure. Still, that's largely my point. I expect many services this gen to remain behind a Gold-type membership. Speculating on MS actually making you pay a monthly fee for accessing the overlay features is just 100% speculation at this point. I'm not saying it won't happen, naturally.

That's kinda sh*tty. Especially given it being free on numerous other devices. 

Man, I miss Sky. Service providers here are sh*t.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Not too sure. Still, that's largely my point. I expect many services this gen to remain behind a Gold-type membership. Speculating on MS actually making you pay a monthly fee for accessing the overlay features is just 100% speculation at this point. I'm not saying it won't happen, naturally.

lundy86_4

That's kinda sh*tty. Especially given it being free on numerous other devices. 

Man, I miss Sky. Service providers here are sh*t.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"] its not a 720. It isn't a next-generation console. Its a cable-tv set with the ability to play 360 games. MonsieurX

1)Playing old XBL games

2)Cable

= next gen?

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="wazzap76"] You have zero proof it's done locally.wazzap76

www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/

[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"] That is false. The rumors clearly say that it will be a standalone product along with the ability to work with the 720. The biggest plus about this rumor that people seem to be overlooking is that this means the 720 will be a gaming console first and foremost, and the always on cable features well be completely optional for an additional cost. Pure brilliance.

RR360DD

NO, it CLEARLY states that it doesn't have a disc drive but you can put a disc in the 720 to play the game through the add on device. Meaning it is a $150 360 with less features and is little more than an add on. It's only going to be able to play XBL games without being connected to the 720. If standalone product to you means that it loses over half of its functionality (the ability to play disc based... ANYTHING) then you can go ahead and buy another $150 360. I will not however purchase a $150 PS4 add on that plays PS3 games... why? For one, Gakai, and two, I WILL KEEP MY PS3.

"Always on" cable at an additional cost... lol. I'll keep my provider... thanks though.

So they will charge for that service, and live, and an additional add on in which you already have with the 360 only with less capabilities. Sounds like quite the deal... lol

Have fun with that.

Still sounds an awful lot like the 32X etc. etc. fiascos.

I wish Microsoft good luck, but history shows that these type of endeavors do not usually work out so well. If it does, then that is great. If the cable portion kicks ass, that is great. I am not a fan boy of any console or company. I am just highly skeptical especially without any formal announcements. The fact that the 720 unveiling was pushed back for at least a month seems odd to tsay the least. It is Microsoft feeling the heat right now... not the other way around.

Have you forgotten that XBL sells retail games too? Its a digital only Xbox 360 that plays all games and if you already have a 360 then its not aimed at you.

Its not an add-on. Its its own individual device.

So no, it doesn't sound anything like the 32X. Its seems this rumour is beyond some peoples comprehension LOL

ps. Firstly, lol at streaming games of gaikai, and secondly, don't expect it to be free.

Ok... and?

Most people who want a 360 already own one. Those that want to get one of these things... that is just fine. Also, go ahead and download (and buy all over again) all the games you already own to your hearts content. No disc drive means you will never truly own the media. It IS an add on because it loses functionality without its parent console the 720. Its "standalone" features lack in comparison. This device main selling point will be for people who want to have backwards compatability with their 720. People who buy it for a "standalone" device are pretty dense. My comparison to the 32X was a little off, it is MUCH more like the Sega channel :P My comprehension is above that of your average bear by the way, so good try on that aspect.

PS. I own all the PS3 games I want already, and I probabkly wont use gaikai anyways... that is why I will still have my PS3.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]How does it make it a next gen console technically?

1)Playing old XBL games

2)Cable

= next gen?

MonsieurX

[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] No sh1t it's not. That's what the Xbox mini is for according to rumors.Miketheman83

We don't even know if that is true in the first place.

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

I know MS is planning it behind a paywall because there is NO PROFIT in a $99 box if there is no subscription. They wouldn't make such a box. Does anyone honestly think MS is interested in "competing" with the likes of Roku for market share? MS, after suckering gamers for years with XBOX Live fees, obviously has pie in the sky ambition thinking they can get serious subscription revenues from the TV market.

How they plan on extracting those revenues with existing cable operators in the picture, and with "free" streaming devices like Roku, I have no idea.

 

lundy86_4

No, you don't know, at all. I've given a reasonable alternative to actually having you pay to unlock overlay features for your cable. That would be by having actual internet streaming services -- which are currently on the 360, and potentially more -- be unlocked with a Gold membership, or a newer alternative. Furthermore, there would be profit in the selling of the unit.

I understand this thread is based on rumours, but you are assuming  way too much. There is no indication that it will be  entirely  locked behind a Gold-type membership fee.

LOL. I'm living in the reality how MS looks at it's customers now, and the type of high margin business MS shareholders are accustomed too.

You are the one speculating that all of a sudden this stuff will not be behind the Gold/paywall structure. 

I see this talk of MS "taking over the living room". That's just pie in the sky nonsense, and my gut tells me they really think they can extract alot of revenues and fees out of this business. It's a simple translation to $$$. They are not going to earn substantial profits off of a $99 box unless there are heavy fees attached. Roku is a small company, so MS could literally take over 100% of Roku market share and the hardware sales wouldn't even make a dent for a company the size of MS. Microsoft NEEDS subscription fees on top of hardware sales or it simply isn't a viable business for thier shareholders. 

MS doesn't have CONTENT. So what exactly are they selling us here? If they drop the paywall that would certainly be a good thing for customers, but then it also means MS dropped their ambitions down a notch. There won't be enough money in it for them to please shareholders long term, and certainly it won't even put a dent in their overall business (which is likely to be a declining business with the collapse of the PC market and Windows). So my take is this whole process will end up being Zune 2.0 - and in 5 years time MS will be in some major trouble (not unlike what Sony has gone through). 

[QUOTE="wazzap76"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Add this thread states it's a rumor at this point. Ate you denying the existence of an Xbox mini at all? If you haven't yet you should read this article it will explain a lot www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/NFJSupreme

i don't know if you are trolling or just slow.  The vgleaks article clearly explains that you will be able to play 360 games on your durango when it is connected to the xbox mini.  It's not a difficult concept to understand.