If The PC Is A BAD Gaming Platform,...

PC gamin is awesome.

It is sad... gaming consoles should just stay what they are...

ATI HD2900 XTX2 Dual Core GPU FTFW!
foxhound_fox

Agreed.......Consoles are slowly morphing into PCs. 

Because they are jealous of it and likely too ignorant to be able to have on because they are under the misconception that its expensive.

So instead, they buy a console wishing it was like a PC and get reamed by the high cost of games.

PC gamin is awesome.

ArisShadows

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thats another thing.. when will people learn that upgrading hardware to play a game is not fun, playing a game without install is not fun. when will people ever learn that the controller originally made for the system is more confortable than a standalone controller or KB + mouse.

when will people learn this? when will people learn that console is not a person that wish, the idea behind a console having sutff depends on the manufatorer.. when will people ever learn that console and pc are a whole different beast? when will people ever learn that? 

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

PC gamin is awesome.

Iorning_board

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If the PC is a bad gaming platform, why is that consoles mimic it as times goes on?
Online service, Web browsing, Hard drive, Movie services, Music services, Communication with other players, etc. etc.
I see people slamming the PC (price, "lack" of games, "poor" control) - yet the are slamming the very same thing their consoles are trying to copy.Titan_of_NYC

Only fanboys try to slam PC gaming, the rest knows it's great.

PC gaming is great and all, but the HD2900 is going to cost as much as a 360 in stores. I just saw an 8800 card at futureshop for $470. I'm not bashing PC gaming but lets face it, its way more expensive that console gaming.pundog

PC gaming is great and all, but the HD2900 is going to cost as much as a 360 in stores. I just saw an 8800 card at futureshop for $470. I'm not bashing PC gaming but lets face it, its way more expensive that console gaming.pundog

While I love my console games, there's just no question that the PC is a superior system, for games and otherwise. There are some awesome games for consoles that for control reasons I can't imagine playing on a PC (Devil May Cry, Legend of Zelda, etc), but they're mainly the exception rather than the rule. I think a large amount of people just like consoles because they're quicker and easily accessible, you don't need to know stuff about specs and such. Makes things much easier for casuals in particular.

The only major, standout drawback to PC gaming in my opinion is the fact that it's worlds easier to pirate games on computer than on consoles, which hurts developers significantly.

While I love my console games, there's just no question that the PC is a superior system, for games and otherwise. There are some awesome games for consoles that for control reasons I can't imagine playing on a PC (Devil May Cry, Legend of Zelda, etc), but they're mainly the exception rather than the rule. I think a large amount of people just like consoles because they're quicker and easily accessible, you don't need to know stuff about specs and such. Makes things much easier for casuals in particular.

The only major, standout drawback to PC gaming in my opinion is the fact that it's worlds easier to pirate games on computer than on consoles, which hurts developers significantly.

Jagazaar

thats another thing.. when will people learn that upgrading hardware to play a game is not fun, playing a game without install is not fun. when will people ever learn that the controller originally made for the system is more confortable than a standalone controller or KB + mouse.

 

when will people learn this? when will people learn that console is not a person that wish, the idea behind a console having sutff depends on the manufatorer.. when will people ever learn that console and pc are a whole different beast? when will people ever learn that?

beldugo

and when will people understand that paying $400+ for a graphic card alone + cost of the rest of the stuff cost more than a console.. and at the same time say console game cost more when you can always find games at bargain price faster than a pc. do some simple math

800 buck pc vs 400 or 600 dollar system.. 20 dollar game at bargain price or about 10 new games + the console.

why do you even compare console with pc? the 360 connects with damn windows for god sake, their like brother and sister in my room. 

[QUOTE="pundog"]PC gaming is great and all, but the HD2900 is going to cost as much as a 360 in stores. I just saw an 8800 card at futureshop for $470. I'm not bashing PC gaming but lets face it, its way more expensive that console gaming.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="beldugo"]

thats another thing.. when will people learn that upgrading hardware to play a game is not fun, playing a game without install is not fun. when will people ever learn that the controller originally made for the system is more confortable than a standalone controller or KB + mouse.

 

when will people learn this? when will people learn that console is not a person that wish, the idea behind a console having sutff depends on the manufatorer.. when will people ever learn that console and pc are a whole different beast? when will people ever learn that?

beldugo

and when will people understand that paying $400+ for a graphic card alone + cost of the rest of the stuff cost more than a console.. and at the same time say console game cost more when you can always find games at bargain price faster than a pc. do some simple math

800 buck pc vs 400 or 600 dollar system.. 20 dollar game at bargain price or about 10 new games + the console.

why do you even compare console with pc? the 360 connects with damn windows for god sake, their like brother and sister in my room. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="pundog"]PC gaming is great and all, but the HD2900 is going to cost as much as a 360 in stores. I just saw an 8800 card at futureshop for $470. I'm not bashing PC gaming but lets face it, its way more expensive that console gaming.pundog

You're sorely misinformed. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="pundog"]PC gaming is great and all, but the HD2900 is going to cost as much as a 360 in stores. I just saw an 8800 card at futureshop for $470. I'm not bashing PC gaming but lets face it, its way more expensive that console gaming.pundog

Wow the OP just made me realize that PC gaming really hasn't done much new since 1995.jrhawk42

No, console games are increidbly easy to pirate just by flashing a copy of it from Blockbuster. Its just because the vast majority of console consumers are too bad to know how to do this. Its not that PC gaming is EASIER to pirate for.Vandalvideo

Sorry to sound stupid, but what do you mean by 'flashing'? The way I understand things, to pirate a console game, you burn a copy, and play it on a modded system (which kills the warranty, and can possibly screw over your console to boot). Whereas with a PC, someone can just write up a program to bypass keycodes/security, and doesn't risk destroying the hardware (unless it's actually a virus they made to be a jerk, but that's a different story).

Mind you, I'll admit that I don't really know THAT much about console pirating, I prefer doing things the legal way so I never really researched it. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]

No, console games are increidbly easy to pirate just by flashing a copy of it from Blockbuster. Its just because the vast majority of console consumers are too bad to know how to do this. Its not that PC gaming is EASIER to pirate for.Jagazaar

Sorry to sound stupid, but what do you mean by 'flashing'? The way I understand things, to pirate a console game, you burn a copy, and play it on a modded system (which kills the warranty, and can possibly screw over your console to boot). Whereas with a PC, someone can just write up a program to bypass keycodes/security, and doesn't risk destroying the hardware (unless it's actually a virus they made to be a jerk, but that's a different story).

Mind you, I'll admit that I don't really know THAT much about console pirating, I prefer doing things the legal way so I never really researched it. 

[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="beldugo"]

thats another thing.. when will people learn that upgrading hardware to play a game is not fun, playing a game without install is not fun. when will people ever learn that the controller originally made for the system is more confortable than a standalone controller or KB + mouse.

 

when will people learn this? when will people learn that console is not a person that wish, the idea behind a console having sutff depends on the manufatorer.. when will people ever learn that console and pc are a whole different beast? when will people ever learn that?

Vandalvideo

and when will people understand that paying $400+ for a graphic card alone + cost of the rest of the stuff cost more than a console.. and at the same time say console game cost more when you can always find games at bargain price faster than a pc. do some simple math

800 buck pc vs 400 or 600 dollar system.. 20 dollar game at bargain price or about 10 new games + the console.

why do you even compare console with pc? the 360 connects with damn windows for god sake, their like brother and sister in my room.

explain better please... because i spent more than 600 bucks on my pc and i cant even run doom 3 at full setting.

i spent 400 bucks on my 360 and it runs all the games.. i bough ffxi for 15 bucks for 360, 20 for pc.. i bough sonic for 45 bucks on gamefly, lost planet 46, doa xtream 2 45, oblivion 30 and more stuff. please explain why? just like pc you can select how much you want to spend its the same for console. its easier to find a use console game than there is for pc.

and im still gonna say it.. i cant play medievil 2 on my pc its not compatible :( and i want to play it. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="beldugo"]

thats another thing.. when will people learn that upgrading hardware to play a game is not fun, playing a game without install is not fun. when will people ever learn that the controller originally made for the system is more confortable than a standalone controller or KB + mouse.

 

when will people learn this? when will people learn that console is not a person that wish, the idea behind a console having sutff depends on the manufatorer.. when will people ever learn that console and pc are a whole different beast? when will people ever learn that?

beldugo

and when will people understand that paying $400+ for a graphic card alone + cost of the rest of the stuff cost more than a console.. and at the same time say console game cost more when you can always find games at bargain price faster than a pc. do some simple math

800 buck pc vs 400 or 600 dollar system.. 20 dollar game at bargain price or about 10 new games + the console.

why do you even compare console with pc? the 360 connects with damn windows for god sake, their like brother and sister in my room.

explain better please... because i spent more than 600 bucks on my pc and i cant even run doom 3 at full setting.

i spent 400 bucks on my 360 and it runs all the games.. i bough ffxi for 15 bucks for 360, 20 for pc.. i bough sonic for 45 bucks on gamefly, lost planet 46, doa xtream 2 45, oblivion 30 and more stuff. please explain why? just like pc you can select how much you want to spend its the same for console. its easier to find a use console game than there is for pc.

and im still gonna say it.. i cant play medievil 2 on my pc its not compatible :( and i want to play it. 

[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="beldugo"]

thats another thing.. when will people learn that upgrading hardware to play a game is not fun, playing a game without install is not fun. when will people ever learn that the controller originally made for the system is more confortable than a standalone controller or KB + mouse.

 

when will people learn this? when will people learn that console is not a person that wish, the idea behind a console having sutff depends on the manufatorer.. when will people ever learn that console and pc are a whole different beast? when will people ever learn that?

Vandalvideo

and when will people understand that paying $400+ for a graphic card alone + cost of the rest of the stuff cost more than a console.. and at the same time say console game cost more when you can always find games at bargain price faster than a pc. do some simple math

800 buck pc vs 400 or 600 dollar system.. 20 dollar game at bargain price or about 10 new games + the console.

why do you even compare console with pc? the 360 connects with damn windows for god sake, their like brother and sister in my room.

explain better please... because i spent more than 600 bucks on my pc and i cant even run doom 3 at full setting.

i spent 400 bucks on my 360 and it runs all the games.. i bough ffxi for 15 bucks for 360, 20 for pc.. i bough sonic for 45 bucks on gamefly, lost planet 46, doa xtream 2 45, oblivion 30 and more stuff. please explain why? just like pc you can select how much you want to spend its the same for console. its easier to find a use console game than there is for pc.

and im still gonna say it.. i cant play medievil 2 on my pc its not compatible :( and i want to play it.

take note: i'm not saying pc is bad or anything, just stating some facts too.

in that case the console gives you more game time for your money.

i spent 600 bucks and i wont be able to run crysis, its only been 1yr since i last updated. my console will run for 5 or more years. please help me build a great pc or laptop for 600 bucks.

the problem with full setting and what not is this, when you have a game on console you are running it at the same graphics everyone else on console runs it so it will be a great experience.

now on pc you see a button call high settings, when i click this button my pc lags and it wont give me the same experience unless i fork more money out my pocket and i dont want that. thats the problem with pc.

i had to go out and buy oblivion for 360 having it already for pc because it kept doing hicups on me at full setting. oh, guess what? it looks great on 360 with my hdtv and i can play it sitting in my bed. for pc to do that i have to shell out money or play it uncofortable with a mouse and keyboard. 

[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="beldugo"]

thats another thing.. when will people learn that upgrading hardware to play a game is not fun, playing a game without install is not fun. when will people ever learn that the controller originally made for the system is more confortable than a standalone controller or KB + mouse.

 

when will people learn this? when will people learn that console is not a person that wish, the idea behind a console having sutff depends on the manufatorer.. when will people ever learn that console and pc are a whole different beast? when will people ever learn that?

Vandalvideo

and when will people understand that paying $400+ for a graphic card alone + cost of the rest of the stuff cost more than a console.. and at the same time say console game cost more when you can always find games at bargain price faster than a pc. do some simple math

800 buck pc vs 400 or 600 dollar system.. 20 dollar game at bargain price or about 10 new games + the console.

why do you even compare console with pc? the 360 connects with damn windows for god sake, their like brother and sister in my room.

explain better please... because i spent more than 600 bucks on my pc and i cant even run doom 3 at full setting.

i spent 400 bucks on my 360 and it runs all the games.. i bough ffxi for 15 bucks for 360, 20 for pc.. i bough sonic for 45 bucks on gamefly, lost planet 46, doa xtream 2 45, oblivion 30 and more stuff. please explain why? just like pc you can select how much you want to spend its the same for console. its easier to find a use console game than there is for pc.

and im still gonna say it.. i cant play medievil 2 on my pc its not compatible :( and i want to play it.

take note: i'm not saying pc is bad or anything, just stating some facts too.

want to talk accumalative cost? ok lets say a game for pc cost 50 bucks.

a new game for 360 cost 60. if you wait 1 week or 2 you will most likely see (80% chance) a used copy that cost about 40-45, or you can rent new release from gamefly and buy them at 15% discount (new games). wait a few months and you get the game at 25-35 bucks, while pc you hardly ever see a use game.

you spent 600 bucks on a pc vs a 400 bucks for a 360 or 600 fo a ps3.

of course the pc does more stuff but you are comparing the gaming part of it, not a video editing console... thats why i never compare pc to consoles in the first place.. their not pc ^^.. anyways, so far  console is giving you more bang for your buck for games.  now explain to me how pc is less expensive.

Beldugo: (Keep in mind I've already acknowledged that PC gaming is more expensive UP FRONT) The 360 Oblivion is the equivalent of a mid-end setting PC that runs about 600 dollars at the time of relase for the 360. Not to mention most PC games give you more play time for your money considering mods and longer shelf lives. However, you keeping using the wrong arguement. Let me give you an analogy just to show you how WRONG your arguement is. Lets say I buy a ritzy apartment in a ritzy area called "Brentwood" (PC). The rent there is 600. Fairly steep for a one person bedroom. Across town they are offering a semi-ok apartment for about 400 dollars rent (console). Ok, I've spent more money on the Brentwood apartment so far. Yes the Brentwood apartment was more expensive RIGHT NOW. I get curve backs on utilities from the area because of the clientale. The average utilities bill for brentwood is about 200 all things considered. Ok, now lets look at that apartment across town. Comcast doesn't give any kickbacks, water is higher because of the area, and electiricity likes to gauge the residents. The average utilities bill is about 500 a month. What is more expensive now? It wasn't the Brentwood apartment, oh no, it was the lacklust apartment that was less expensive up front.Vandalvideo

but with console you have the option of actually picking what utility service company you want. in the end thats why the poor people can afford rent in poor neighborhoods not the other way around.

with the knowledge of knowing everyone around you will live the same you will be at ease.. so graphics in high setting really doesn't matter. now knowing someone can live in better area in "brentwood" but with more money will make you look poor and feel bad. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Beldugo: (Keep in mind I've already acknowledged that PC gaming is more expensive UP FRONT) The 360 Oblivion is the equivalent of a mid-end setting PC that runs about 600 dollars at the time of relase for the 360. Not to mention most PC games give you more play time for your money considering mods and longer shelf lives. However, you keeping using the wrong arguement. Let me give you an analogy just to show you how WRONG your arguement is. Lets say I buy a ritzy apartment in a ritzy area called "Brentwood" (PC). The rent there is 600. Fairly steep for a one person bedroom. Across town they are offering a semi-ok apartment for about 400 dollars rent (console). Ok, I've spent more money on the Brentwood apartment so far. Yes the Brentwood apartment was more expensive RIGHT NOW. I get curve backs on utilities from the area because of the clientale. The average utilities bill for brentwood is about 200 all things considered. Ok, now lets look at that apartment across town. Comcast doesn't give any kickbacks, water is higher because of the area, and electiricity likes to gauge the residents. The average utilities bill is about 500 a month. What is more expensive now? It wasn't the Brentwood apartment, oh no, it was the lacklust apartment that was less expensive up front.beldugo

but with console you have the option of actually picking what utility service company you want. in the end thats why the poor people can afford rent in poor neighborhoods not the other way around.

with the knowledge of knowing everyone around you will live the same you will be at ease.. so graphics in high setting really doesn't matter. now knowing someone can live in better area in "brentwood" but with more money will make you look poor and feel bad. 

Beldugo: One MAJOR problem. You're assuming that there are no places that allow you to rent, or buy used PC games. This is a WRONG assumption. There are retail chains that offer used PC games, and online distribution places that offer PC games for play-by-basis.Vandalvideo

PC gaming is great, I just don't have the money to be an active member of that particular gaming community. I'm a console gamer because I like the fact that when I buy a console, I know that I will be able to play every single game that is released for it that generation.TreyoftheDead

another guy that has money problem but has a console.. why do you think we see more of these people than pc people? don't you think their is something wrong with what your saying vandalvideo? 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Beldugo: One MAJOR problem. You're assuming that there are no places that allow you to rent, or buy used PC games. This is a WRONG assumption. There are retail chains that offer used PC games, and online distribution places that offer PC games for play-by-basis.beldugo

[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Beldugo: One MAJOR problem. You're assuming that there are no places that allow you to rent, or buy used PC games. This is a WRONG assumption. There are retail chains that offer used PC games, and online distribution places that offer PC games for play-by-basis.Vandalvideo

 I understand what you are saying, but using WoW for evidence doesn't convince me. As I said in an earlier post, I'm not a PC gamer, but I do play WoW. You can go to Wal-Mart and pay less than 300 bucks for a computer that can run WoW perfectly, but that same PC will probably not be able to run Crysis or other high-end PC games on the horizon.

[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Beldugo: One MAJOR problem. You're assuming that there are no places that allow you to rent, or buy used PC games. This is a WRONG assumption. There are retail chains that offer used PC games, and online distribution places that offer PC games for play-by-basis.Vandalvideo

hello, me and my friend log about 200hrs on marvel vs capcom 2. it has a watch in the VMU on dreamcast we cap it at 99:99:99 and we erase the file and its back at 99:99:99.

hello, im playing final fantasy xi on pc and console. hello, to the people that play halo 1 since 2000. hello, capcom vs snk 2.

its all a matter of opinion..hello, jrpg called enchanted arms that has online play and cap lv of 200 with over 80 pets. if i wanted to log 566hrs on a jrpg its up to me. for me mods don't appeal to me because its not official. only game i ever used mod for was final fantasy xi and thats it. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Beldugo: One MAJOR problem. You're assuming that there are no places that allow you to rent, or buy used PC games. This is a WRONG assumption. There are retail chains that offer used PC games, and online distribution places that offer PC games for play-by-basis.TreyoftheDead

 I understand what you are saying, but using WoW for evidence doesn't convince me. As I said in an earlier post, I'm not a PC gamer, but I do play WoW. You can go to Wal-Mart and pay less than 300 bucks for a computer that can run WoW perfectly, but that same PC will probably not be able to run Crysis or other high-end PC games on the horizon.

oh hello there vandalvideo.. say hello to the people that say they log 200hrs+ on car simulation games on console. maybe console get too many games worth a purchase that they dont have time to get attach to games like you say pc do? its all up to the person man. its all up to the consumer what price they want to pay for a game.

all i know its that a console cost you 400 bucks and you never have to upgrade and last for 4yrs+, a pc you have to upgrade constantly every 2-3yrs, either processor, graphic cards, ram, hdd etc... 

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Beldugo: One MAJOR problem. You're assuming that there are no places that allow you to rent, or buy used PC games. This is a WRONG assumption. There are retail chains that offer used PC games, and online distribution places that offer PC games for play-by-basis.Vandalvideo

I understand what you are saying, but using WoW for evidence doesn't convince me. As I said in an earlier post, I'm not a PC gamer, but I do play WoW. You can go to Wal-Mart and pay less than 300 bucks for a computer that can run WoW perfectly, but that same PC will probably not be able to run Crysis or other high-end PC games on the horizon.

 Maybe if you are a consonle gamer who is purchasing many games a month. My posts are based on my personal situation. I'm not an incredibly hardcore gamer anymore. Yes, I play games more than the casual gamer and I mainly play games marketed towards hardcore gamers. But I don't put in as many hours as I did in the past.

So, what you are saying may apply to others, but it doesn't to me. PC gaming is still too expensive for me. 

I was actually hoping to become a PC gamer for my birthday in like 18 days. Im just wondering if there is a easy way to have someone build my computer?IMuGGeDSaTaN

Also I cant pick the parts for my life please help.

oh hello there vandalvideo.. say hello to the people that say they log 200hrs+ on car simulation games on console. maybe console get too many games worth a purchase that they dont have time to get attach to games like you say pc do? its all up to the person man. its all up to the consumer what price they want to pay for a game.

 

all i know its that a console cost you 400 bucks and you never have to upgrade and last for 4yrs+, a pc you have to upgrade constantly every 2-3yrs, either processor, graphic cards, ram, hdd etc... 

beldugo

Beldugo: You seemed to TOTALLY ignore one huge prerequisite I stated. "Diverging content". With Marvel v. Capcom you're merely playing the same game over and over with no redeeming diverging content. Its basically replaying the same thing for now reason. With WoW, yuo have diverging, ever changing content for the ENTIRE 566+ hours.Vandalvideo

thats all diversity. if mods its what make you tic congratulation, combinations and challenge its what makes me tic. ffxi is an mmorpg and its out for console too. phantasy star for console. i see what your trying to tell me im not ignoring it, its just that i dont agree with it its just an opinion. 

[QUOTE="IMuGGeDSaTaN"]I was actually hoping to become a PC gamer for my birthday in like 18 days. Im just wondering if there is a easy way to have someone build my computer?IMuGGeDSaTaN

Also I cant pick the parts for my life please help.

 Find someone who knows computers. Are you planning to go to college? If so an electrical engineer major may be a good bet. I say that because my friend is an EE major and he is helping me out this summer when I get ready to build myself a new computer.