If we gave everyone in Iraq...

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

Koalakommander

No, the war would only end if US did not invade countries for their oil

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

saolin323

No, the war would only end if US did not invade countries for their oil

And here come the conspiracy theorists...

I'm fully serious when I say anything Iraq related can stay in the Off Topic forum where it belongs.

[QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

Redmoonxl2

No, the war would only end if US did not invade countries for their oil

And here come the conspiracy theorists...

I'm fully serious when I say anything Iraq related can stay in the Off Topic forum where it belongs.

There is no conspiracy theories about it. We invaded for the oil, no if ands or buts about it. Anyone with with half a brain knows that. Anyways, no, if we gave a copy of World Of Warcraft to everyone in Iraq, the war wouldnt end. What would they play it on? And how would they pay for it? Huh? Huh?!

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

dzaric

No, the war would only end if US did not invade countries for their oil

And here come the conspiracy theorists...

I'm fully serious when I say anything Iraq related can stay in the Off Topic forum where it belongs.

There is no conspiracy theories about it. We invaded for the oil, no if ands or buts about it. Anyone with with half a brain knows that. Anyways, no, if we gave a copy of World Of Warcraft to everyone in Iraq, the war wouldnt end. What would they play it on? And how would they pay for it? Huh? Huh?!

We invaded Iraq for two major reasons:

• Bad intel from several major intelligence agencies that encompass the CIA, British intelligence, intelligence gathered by the Clinton administration and Egyptian intelligence among others.
• 17 UN resolutions that were ignored by Sadaam with fear of what was outlined in that bad intel we've recieved from all those sources.

The reasons why we're still are in Iraq are:

• We need that area of the world to be on our side and to become another viable spring board for anything that may happen in the Middle East.
• Leaving a country that is clearly incapable of keeping stable on it's own will result in millions of deaths (ala Vietnam) and a lovely opportunity for any warlord/terrorist to take over (See Hamas and the Gaza Strip).

gasoline is still expensive...:(jack_russel

$3.23 here in Buffalo.

If we did go to Iraq for oil, Bush is truly incompetent if that was the case. Hell, lets go to Venezuela while we're at it. Hugo Chavez is an asshat anyways.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]gasoline is still expensive...:(Redmoonxl2

$3.23 here in Buffalo.

If we did go to Iraq for oil, Bush is truly incompetent if that was the case. Hell, lets go to Venezuela while we're at it. Hugo Chavez is an asshat anyways.

the us will always want for more & more & more .. leave people alone!!! and im from kuwait one of the most oily :P countries in the world and gasoline price is as expensive as in the US :| ... rreally unfair!

stop complaining about gasoline please

In all seriousness it'd be interesting to see how a different culture plays. Especially one so different from the West. WoW is really a game all caught up in symbols and imagery, rather than binary good and evils (though they are represented). How would another culture react to them?

In the West in WoW for example, the Alliance outnumbers the Horde on every server. For example it's got that whole Medieval Europe Knights and Crusaders feel. Would people in the Middle East go for that, considering that the term Crusader is an anathema over there, while here it's a virtue?

Maybe Night Elves wouldn't be the most commonly rolled race, and that's a good thing, because I got really sick of those purple bastards when I played.

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

Koalakommander

They'd have a broadband infrastructure built in record time, thats for sure.

WoW is like real life, only with epic gear, respawn points and cows with guns.

It'd be interesting to see how a different culture plays in all seriousness. Especially one so different from the West.

In the West in WoW for example, the Alliance vastly outnumbers the Horde. For example it's got that whole Medieval Europe Knights and castles feel. Would people in the Middle East go for that, considering that the term Crusader is an anathema over there, while here it's a virtue.

Maybe Night Elves wouldn't be the most commonly rolled race, and that's a good thing, because I got really sick of those purple bastards when I played.

Danm_999

In all seriousness it'd be interesting to see how a different culture plays. Especially one so different from the West. WoW is really a game all caught up in symbols and imagery, rather than binary good and evils (though they are represented). How would another culture react to them?

In the West in WoW for example, the Alliance outnumbers the Horde on every server. For example it's got that whole Medieval Europe Knights and Crusaders feel. Would people in the Middle East go for that, considering that the term Crusader is an anathema over there, while here it's a virtue?

Maybe Night Elves wouldn't be the most commonly rolled race, and that's a good thing, because I got really sick of those purple bastards when I played.

Danm_999

I welcome all Middle Easterners to join the Horde so we can finally crush the plague that is the Alliance force. I mean, we're already crushing them in PvP, we just need greater numbers.

the us will always want for more & more & more .. leave people alone!!! and im from kuwait one of the most oily :P countries in the world and gasoline price is as expensive as in the US :| ... rreally unfair!

stop complaining about gasoline pleaseFFseries_Fan

Americans rely on travel more than Kuwait. I'll let you put two and two together with this grand revelation.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

In all seriousness it'd be interesting to see how a different culture plays. Especially one so different from the West. WoW is really a game all caught up in symbols and imagery, rather than binary good and evils (though they are represented). How would another culture react to them?

In the West in WoW for example, the Alliance outnumbers the Horde on every server. For example it's got that whole Medieval Europe Knights and Crusaders feel. Would people in the Middle East go for that, considering that the term Crusader is an anathema over there, while here it's a virtue?

Maybe Night Elves wouldn't be the most commonly rolled race, and that's a good thing, because I got really sick of those purple bastards when I played.

Redmoonxl2

I welcome all Middle Easterners to join the Horde so we can finally crush the plague that is the Alliance force. I mean, we're already crushing them in PvP, we just need greater numbers.

the us will always want for more & more & more .. leave people alone!!! and im from kuwait one of the most oily :P countries in the world and gasoline price is as expensive as in the US :| ... rreally unfair!

stop complaining about gasoline pleaseFFseries_Fan

Americans rely on travel more than Kuwait. I'll let you put two and two together with this grand revelation.

what are u talking about??? .... im confused lol

I don't know why you get all defensive when anyone mentions Iraqi oil. It's a fact that many Americans got stinking rich from the war in Iraq, who do you think got all the contracts to rebuild the country. If you think America went in there to save Iraqi people from Saddam then you're in serious denial. There are many countries under horrible dictatorship that America couldn't give a rats ass about.

Keep telling people that America are fighting for freedom or whatever, it's all BS at the end of the day. People like Bush are war mongers, and should be thrown in jail for war crimes like his father and many other western leaders of the last century.

what are u talking about??? .... im confused lol

FFseries_Fan

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

Koalakommander

What makes you think that everybody in Iraq has electricity?

[QUOTE="FFseries_Fan"]

what are u talking about??? .... im confused lol

Redmoonxl2

I'll let you figure it out. It's more fun that way.

lol i really dont care to figure out :P

I don't know why you get all defensive when anyone mentions Iraqi oil. It's a fact that many Americans got stinking rich from the war in Iraq, who do you think got all the contracts to rebuild the country. If you think America went in there to save Iraqi people from Saddam then you're in serious denial. There are many countries under horrible dictatorship that America couldn't give a rats ass about.

Keep telling people that America are fighting for freedom or whatever, it's all BS at the end of the day. People like Bush are war mongers, and should be thrown in jail for war crimes like his father and many other western leaders of the last century.

NickN4ck

couldnt agree more ;)

I don't know why you get all defensive when anyone mentions Iraqi oil. It's a fact that many Americans got stinking rich from the war in Iraq, who do you think got all the contracts to rebuild the country. If you think America went in there to save Iraqi people from Saddam then you're in serious denial. There are many countries under horrible dictatorship that America couldn't give a rats ass about.

Keep telling people that America are fighting for freedom or whatever, it's all BS at the end of the day. People like Bush are war mongers, and should be thrown in jail for war crimes like his father and many other western leaders of the last century.

NickN4ck

:roll:

It's to be expected that certain companies get rich when a war breaks out. That's the nature of the war machine but to state that's the reason why we went to war is sheer paranoa mixed with self righteousness.

I'll be the first to state that we did not go to war with Iraq because we wanted to save the Iraqi people and I'll also agree with the fact that there are dictatorships Bush doesn't really care about. Our job is not to liberate everyone and it foolish for the Bush admisnistration to state so, which they often do. The fact is that we went to Iraq based on national secruity. Any news of illegal arms that can be passed on to enemies of the US to be used against Americans is a national secruity issue. The problem with the Iraq War is that the intel we've recieved from various intel services was false, thus leaving the US with a nice black eye. As a result, you have the administration bumbling around making excuses. I firmly believe that if Bush just admit to the fact that the Iraq War was based on an intel screw up of epic proportions, this really wouldn't be tinhat haven for people such as yourself.

I also want to say that for a president most Anti-Bush people consider a moron, they give him way too much credit to think up such a clever scheme to cash out on a war.

Where were you people when Iraqi's were starving to death on the streets because of US and UN sanctions put in place on their country?. That's right you didn't care. You let Saddam buy food for oil but you knew damn well he was pocketing the money and the people got nothing. Doctors had no medicine to treat people because of your god damn sanctions. Your sanctions killed up to a million Iraqi's and done nothing to harm Saddam, your old best friend who used to shake hands with Dick Cheney not that long ago.

Americans are hypocrytes and will deal with terrorists like Bin Laden when it suits them like in the Afghan war against theRussians.Or they will hand over people who tried to kill Saddam to Saddam's forces to be killed when Saddam was their best friend before the first American invasion of Iraq.You people need to realise your government stinks and is corrupt, maybe if you didn't spend all your time playing games, and instead read somebooks you would realise this.

You may as well be standing up for gangsters when you talk about about how great your president is.

enough enough!!

ur turning this forum from system wars into REAL WARS!!! lol

I don't know why you get all defensive when anyone mentions Iraqi oil. It's a fact that many Americans got stinking rich from the war in Iraq, who do you think got all the contracts to rebuild the country. If you think America went in there to save Iraqi people from Saddam then you're in serious denial. There are many countries under horrible dictatorship that America couldn't give a rats ass about.

Keep telling people that America are fighting for freedom or whatever, it's all BS at the end of the day. People like Bush are war mongers, and should be thrown in jail for war crimes like his father and many other western leaders of the last century.

NickN4ck

[QUOTE="NickN4ck"]

I don't know why you get all defensive when anyone mentions Iraqi oil. It's a fact that many Americans got stinking rich from the war in Iraq, who do you think got all the contracts to rebuild the country. If you think America went in there to save Iraqi people from Saddam then you're in serious denial. There are many countries under horrible dictatorship that America couldn't give a rats ass about.

Keep telling people that America are fighting for freedom or whatever, it's all BS at the end of the day. People like Bush are war mongers, and should be thrown in jail for war crimes like his father and many other western leaders of the last century.

Redmoonxl2

:roll:

It's to be expected that certain companies get rich when a war breaks out. That's the nature of the war machine but to state that's the reason why we went to war is sheer paranoa mixed with self righteousness.

I'll be the first to state that we did not go to war with Iraq because we wanted to save the Iraqi people and I'll also agree with the fact that there are dictatorships Bush doesn't really care about. Our job is not to liberate everyone and it foolish for the Bush admisnistration to state so, which they often do. The fact is that we went to Iraq based on national secruity. Any news of illegal arms that can be passed on to enemies of the US to be used against Americans is a national secruity issue. The problem with the Iraq War is that the intel we've recieved from various intel services was false, thus leaving the US with a nice black eye. As a result, you have the administration bumbling around making excuses. I firmly believe that if Bush just admit to the fact that the Iraq War was based on an intel screw up of epic proportions, this really wouldn't be tinhat haven for people such as yourself.

you're almost right..... except instead of saying "intel services were false", you should be saying "intentionally falsified", do you really believe that Bush didn't know that the intel about WMD's wasn't already proven false.... pffff..... funny i knew it the day it was announced, of course I'd say this to people then and they'd say "Oh you're a conspiracy theorist... blah blah blah".... and then blam, some time later, "Oh we've found that the "intel" that Saddam had WMD's is actually false"

I feel somuch pity for people gullible to believe everything they see on the news and read in the newspaper.

PS. Another example of Bush knowingly spouting rubbish is the whole "Irans Nuclear Arms Program", he knew 3 months prior that the program had halted, yet put his lying face on TV saying things like "Anyone concerned with preventing WWIII needs to support us in our efforts"

Only this time he got caught, and what has happened???? Nothing, a couple weeks pass and everyone is just content with hearing jokes about it on Conan or the COlbert Report

Liberating the Middle East. That backfired in their face and good thing too.

All empires end, fact of history.

They came for WMDs, found none. Came to remove evil Saddam, he turned out to not be that evil after all. And they stayed under the guise of liberation, a people that didn't want it.

Reminds me very much the tactics used by the British Empire in South Asia and even Napoleons "Machiavellian" two-faced hypocrisy when he tried invading Palestine.

Where were you people when Iraqi's were starving to death on the streets because of US and UN sanctions put in place on their country?. That's right you didn't care. You let Saddam buy food for oil but you knew damn well he was pocketing the money and the people got nothing. Doctors had no medicine to treat people because of your god damn sanctions. Your sanctions killed up to a million Iraqi's and done nothing to harm Saddam, your old best friend who used to shake hands with Dick Cheney not that long ago.

Americans are hypocrytes and will deal with terrorists like Bin Laden when it suits them like in the Afghan war against theRussians.Or they will hand over people who tried to kill Saddam to Saddam's forces to be killed when Saddam was their best friend before the first American invasion of Iraq.You people need to realise your government stinks and is corrupt, maybe if you didn't spend all your time playing games, and instead read somebooks you would realise this.

You may as well be standing up for gangsters when you talk about about how great your president is.

NickN4ck

It's nice to see someone in here has a functioning brain. Or maybe more accurately someone that isn't brainwashed by the American Government and its Propaganda Machine

[QUOTE="NickN4ck"]

Where were you people when Iraqi's were starving to death on the streets because of US and UN sanctions put in place on their country?. That's right you didn't care. You let Saddam buy food for oil but you knew damn well he was pocketing the money and the people got nothing. Doctors had no medicine to treat people because of your god damn sanctions. Your sanctions killed up to a million Iraqi's and done nothing to harm Saddam, your old best friend who used to shake hands with Dick Cheney not that long ago.

Americans are hypocrytes and will deal with terrorists like Bin Laden when it suits them like in the Afghan war against theRussians.Or they will hand over people who tried to kill Saddam to Saddam's forces to be killed when Saddam was their best friend before the first American invasion of Iraq.You people need to realise your government stinks and is corrupt, maybe if you didn't spend all your time playing games, and instead read somebooks you would realise this.

You may as well be standing up for gangsters when you talk about about how great your president is.

Veterngamer

It's nice to see someone in here has a functioning brain. Or maybe more accurately someone that isn't brainwashed by the American Government and its Propaganda Machine

you're almost right..... except instead of saying "intel services were false", you should be saying "intentionally falsified", do you really believe that Bush didn't know that the intel about WMD's wasn't already proven false.... pffff..... funny i knew it the day it was announced, of course I'd say this to people then and they'd say "Oh you're a conspiracy theorist... blah blah blah".... and then blam, some time later, "Oh we've found that the "intel" that Saddam had WMD's is actually false"

I feel somuch pity for people gullible to believe everything they see on the news and read in the newspaper.

PS. Another example of Bush knowingly spouting rubbish is the whole "Irans Nuclear Arms Program", he knew 3 months prior that the program had halted, yet put his lying face on TV saying things like "Anyone concerned with preventing WWIII needs to support us in our efforts"

Only this time he got caught, and what has happened???? Nothing, a couple weeks pass and everyone is just content with hearing jokes about it on Conan or the COlbert Report

Veterngamer

I personally believe that the Iraq/WMD deal wasn't false since, as I stated, this is stuff compiled for years and approved by every organization investigating this matter. Hell, Clinton attacked Iraq in '98 based on the same info in an effort to get the UN back in Iraq. In the end, we did find illegal WMDs but they were pre-Gulf War weapons, not post WMDs that reports pointed to.

As for the Iran/Nuclear Weapons deal, that has been an issue for more than just a few months. This has been going on for years. In fact, based on Isreali intelligence, the nuclear weapons issue is still a reality. There's really no worry that we're going to war with Iran since Congress will never allow for a war to happen. We're stretched thin as is.

Dang, It's like we're ****ed if we do ****ed if we don't. If you just sit on the side lines people say you're watching iraqs starve and doing nothing while Saddam pockets money and kills people, but then if you go in and try to remove Saddam and set up shop you get into the situation we're in now. Theres no middle ground.jack_russel

Yep, we're evil at the end of the day. Which reminds me, it's morning. It's time for the average American breakfast which includes fried babies from a 3rd world country and a glass of their tears.

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

[QUOTE="dzaric"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

Redmoonxl2

No, the war would only end if US did not invade countries for their oil

And here come the conspiracy theorists...

I'm fully serious when I say anything Iraq related can stay in the Off Topic forum where it belongs.

There is no conspiracy theories about it. We invaded for the oil, no if ands or buts about it. Anyone with with half a brain knows that. Anyways, no, if we gave a copy of World Of Warcraft to everyone in Iraq, the war wouldnt end. What would they play it on? And how would they pay for it? Huh? Huh?!

We invaded Iraq for two major reasons:

• Bad intel from several major intelligence agencies that encompass the CIA, British intelligence, intelligence gathered by the Clinton administration and Egyptian intelligence among others.
• 17 UN resolutions that were ignored by Sadaam with fear of what was outlined in that bad intel we've recieved from all those sources.

The reasons why we're still are in Iraq are:

• We need that area of the world to be on our side and to become another viable spring board for anything that may happen in the Middle East.
• Leaving a country that is clearly incapable of keeping stable on it's own will result in millions of deaths (ala Vietnam) and a lovely opportunity for any warlord/terrorist to take over (See Hamas and the Gaza Strip).

Anything else is simply Anti-Bush talking points people use to feel like their voicing the "truth". It's okay to desent from the war and stating we had no business going to war with Iraq since it was, in fact, an optional war but this "Blood for Oil" deal is just simply silly.

Oil doesn't seem that unlikely I mean george bush doesn't seem like he wants to do to much about cutting co2 admissions so if he's not gonna find alternative sources of energy then your gonna have to find more of the one your currently using.

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

PopeReal

I respect what you say..... but I'll continue to hate the American Government until I see proof of a change, you'll understand if I don't hold my breath.

I'm Canadian, we sacrificed alot too, yet we don't strut around like we own the world.

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

PopeReal

I kind of bashed the usa on a few occasions but you think Im not criticising my own country? Whining about politics and such is what the british do best :P but yeah my only real problem with the usa is I feel george bush doesn't value his allies, or at least he's just done a very poor job of convincing me otherwise.

[QUOTE="PopeReal"]

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

Veterngamer

I respect what you say..... but I'll continue to hate the American Government until I see proof of a change, you'll understand if I don't hold my breath.

I'm Canadian, we sacrificed alot too, yet we don't strut around like we own the world.

Well you better hate the Canadian government too, because every major war (WW1 and on) Canada has been right there by our side fighting.

And I don't know this struting you are talking about.

[QUOTE="PopeReal"]

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

proud722

I kind of bashed the usa on a few occasions but you think Im not criticising my own country? Whining about politics and such is what the british do best :P but yeah my only real problem with the usa is I feel george bush doesn't value his allies, or at least he's just done a very poor job of convincing me otherwise.

Most Americans (including me) think Bush is doing a very poor job on several fronts, one of those is alienating our allies. I think most Americans are aware and greatful for Britains support and friendship through the years. I don't mind criticism of my country as longs as its fair and not putting all the blame on us. I just think its a case of the pot calling the kettle black in a lot of cases, but I don't think your criticism is unfair. I just hope our next president does a better job than Bush.

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

Koalakommander

and gold sellers will be the nr. 1 business model in Iraq.

[QUOTE="proud722"][QUOTE="PopeReal"]

The best thing about America is we all have different opinions here. We argue amongst ourselves all the time, there are so many different ideals and ways of thinking here. We are far from perfect, yet I think at the end of the day we do much more good in this world than bad.

And to all you non-American's bashing the United States I would say look in the mirror before you open your mouth. Corruption is everywhere in this world. Your countries are far from perfect. I know its comforting and popular right now to bash the United States but if you are a student of history in any way you should know what good things our country has done for the world, and how many sons and daughters have been sacrificed not just for our freedoms, but for yours as well.

PopeReal

I kind of bashed the usa on a few occasions but you think Im not criticising my own country? Whining about politics and such is what the british do best :P but yeah my only real problem with the usa is I feel george bush doesn't value his allies, or at least he's just done a very poor job of convincing me otherwise.

Most Americans (including me) think Bush is doing a very poor job on several fronts, one of those is alienating our allies. I think most Americans are aware and greatful for Britains support and friendship through the years. I don't mind criticism of my country as longs as its fair and not putting all the blame on us. I just think its a case of the pot calling the kettle black in a lot of cases, but I don't think your criticism is unfair. I just hope our next president does a better job than Bush.

I believed the american people (or as you said at least the majority) value their allies and I do think its unfair what some people are coming out with, just because (despite him being your representative) your president doesn't seem to genuinley care doesn't mean the american people don't and as long as I hold that belief I know Im not going to end up unfaily criticising america as a whole.

It was about oil. It has always be about oil. (well modern conflicts are either oil motivated or just about ethnic cleansing)

Iraq has about 85 oil fields.

The U.s Has allowed the iraqis to keep 13 while it "looks after" the rest.

Rumsfeld and his cronies including George Bush senior made a financail killing out of both wars. Its been u.s policy since after ww2 to maintain their superpower status.

The world is crying out for a leading nation that actaully cares about the rest of the world, and the environment. Unfortunately, people only care about money and power.

Also...why do think they wont let Iran have nuclear power? Do you think Iran is stupid enough to use a nuke? No cuz then there would be no complaints when they are wiped off the planet by allied nukes.

They have lots and lots of oil. If they were to find an alternhative energy source they could sell the reserves and become a superpower. The west are more afraid of this than any missile.

(btw im a white british citizen so no need to send the thought police round)

Also...why do think they wont let Iran have nuclear power? Do you think Iran is stupid enough to use a nuke? No cuz then there would be no complaints when they are wiped off the planet by allied nukes.

They have lots and lots of oil. If they were to find an alternhative energy source they could sell the reserves and become a superpower. The west are more afraid of this than any missile.

(btw im a white british citizen so no need to send the thought police round)

Bazfrag

There is a lot more to it than oil.It is not just the west that is focused on Iran. Iran's neighbors are concerned about them distabalzing the region (even more so).

Also...why do think they wont let Iran have nuclear power? Do you think Iran is stupid enough to use a nuke? No cuz then there would be no complaints when they are wiped off the planet by allied nukes.

They have lots and lots of oil. If they were to find an alternhative energy source they could sell the reserves and become a superpower. The west are more afraid of this than any missile.

(btw im a white british citizen so no need to send the thought police round)

Bazfrag

Theres a point where reasonable criticism ends and fanticising begins, you have just crossed that point. Thought police oh dear the sad fact man is you've been brain washed by the media but I bet you like to think your being smart or showing you've got a mind of your own when you come out with this kind of **** XD

alrite man, pics or it did'nt happen XD

It was about oil. It has always be about oil. (well modern conflicts are either oil motivated or just about ethnic cleansing)

Iraq has about 85 oil fields.

The U.s Has allowed the iraqis to keep 13 while it "looks after" the rest.

Rumsfeld and his cronies including George Bush senior made a financail killing out of both wars. Its been u.s policy since after ww2 to maintain their superpower status.

The world is crying out for a leading nation that actaully cares about the rest of the world, and the environment. Unfortunately, people only care about money and power.

Bazfrag

If the world is really crying out for a leading nation that cares about the world, why is all the blame on the United States? There are several oil rich nations in the middle east who could do so much to help their citizens and the world but do nothing. The standard of living in those countries should be so much higher, but very few see the rewards that the oil sales bring.

Btw, go Liverpool ;) you'll never walk alone

.jack_russel

I knew it! It was Micheal Jackson all along, keeping his white, decaying clone wandering about while he pulled the diplomatic strings behind the scene, eating popcorn while enjoying the show.

This is probably revenge on those who didn't like Moonwalker the movie, which turns out to be everyone.

[QUOTE="dzaric"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="saolin323"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

a copy of World of Warcraft, the war would end.

i'm actually half serious.

discuss!

Redmoonxl2

No, the war would only end if US did not invade countries for their oil

And here come the conspiracy theorists...

I'm fully serious when I say anything Iraq related can stay in the Off Topic forum where it belongs.

There is no conspiracy theories about it. We invaded for the oil, no if ands or buts about it. Anyone with with half a brain knows that. Anyways, no, if we gave a copy of World Of Warcraft to everyone in Iraq, the war wouldnt end. What would they play it on? And how would they pay for it? Huh? Huh?!

We invaded Iraq for two major reasons:

• Bad intel from several major intelligence agencies that encompass the CIA, British intelligence, intelligence gathered by the Clinton administration and Egyptian intelligence among others.
• 17 UN resolutions that were ignored by Sadaam with fear of what was outlined in that bad intel we've recieved from all those sources.

The reasons why we're still are in Iraq are:

• We need that area of the world to be on our side and to become another viable spring board for anything that may happen in the Middle East.
• Leaving a country that is clearly incapable of keeping stable on it's own will result in millions of deaths (ala Vietnam) and a lovely opportunity for any warlord/terrorist to take over (See Hamas and the Gaza Strip).

Anything else is simply Anti-Bush talking points people use to feel like their voicing the "truth". It's okay to desent from the war and stating we had no business going to war with Iraq since it was, in fact, an optional war but this "Blood for Oil" deal is just simply silly.

ROFL

Go keep watching CNN dude :lol:

[QUOTE="Bazfrag"]

It was about oil. It has always be about oil. (well modern conflicts are either oil motivated or just about ethnic cleansing)

Iraq has about 85 oil fields.

The U.s Has allowed the iraqis to keep 13 while it "looks after" the rest.

Rumsfeld and his cronies including George Bush senior made a financail killing out of both wars. Its been u.s policy since after ww2 to maintain their superpower status.

The world is crying out for a leading nation that actaully cares about the rest of the world, and the environment. Unfortunately, people only care about money and power.

PopeReal

If the world is really crying out for a leading nation that cares about the world, why is all the blame on the United States? There are several oil rich nations in the middle east who could do so much to help their citizens and the world but do nothing. The standard of living in those countries should be so much higher, but very few see the rewards that the oil sales bring.

Btw, go Liverpool ;) you'll never walk alone

Got an uncle from liverpool ;)

but thats why Im not taking what this guy says seriously it just sounds like another one of those patchy media conspiracy theorys that sound logical until you pull them apart like you just did. The fact is if the USA want to maintain some kind of positive world image they would have to be careful with what they do with those oil fields and if george bush doesn't do something before his time is up who knows what the next president will do with them (well Im sure you could give me a few estimates :P) but I have the general belief that the next president will try and improve the image left by bush and one of the key things to do that is to do something appropriate with the oil.