If X1 first party going PC, what's the point of getting X1?

Sony have nothing to do with Street Fighter, that would be Capcom.

There's no selling point to either PS4 or Xbone if you have a gaming PC, the vast vast majority of good games are multiplats nowadays.

@Elaisse: Sony doesn't own Street Fighter.

My point is that PC does in fact compete with consoles nowadays. It counts for somewhere between 1/3 to 1/4 of the most AAA games sales when paired with teh other 2 consoles (well, not counting behemoths like AC, COD, FIFA and GTA). Down to about 1/5 when comparing to 4 (last and current gen).

Infact, it gets higher when dealing with indie games. The latest Arstechnica article supports this.

The more pc gaming grows, the more some individuals will buy on the platform instead of the xbox one, ense reducing revenue from software sales for Microsoft.

They'll still make money of their own games, like Ori next week, but putting every 1st party titles on PC would just make the console itself less appealing to many people over the long run.

Ofcourse, they're not going to lose millions of sales. There's still a huge amount of people that don't care about pc gaming, at all. But revenue lost is revenue lost.

By this logic, MS should put 1st party titles on Playstation. Ofcourse not, it'd make the platform less appealing to many.

They did. Minecraft is on Vita and PS consoles.

@deadline-zero0: @locopatho:

Good point,

as for street fighter sony is paying for it so it was their word that made it go to pc.

Exclusivity deal =/= the decision to release it on PC

@Snugenz said:

@Elaisse said:

@deadline-zero0: @locopatho:

Good point,

as for street fighter sony is paying for it so it was their word that made it go to pc.

Exclusivity deal =/= the decision to also release it on P C

So sony is letting them keep publishing right, would capcom be that stupid as to block out another console if they were paying for the game.

MC is a unique situation though. They spent 2.5B on the thing

Sony doesn't own the IP and them funding the development is no different than many other games.

No Sony owned game shows up on PC. Yet, with titles they don't own, like Grim Fandango recently, despite the involvement, it comes to PC.

If Sony could have locked the game to the ps4, they would have.

@Elaisse said:

@Snugenz said:

@Elaisse said:

@deadline-zero0: @locopatho:

Good point,

as for street fighter sony is paying for it so it was their word that made it go to pc.

Exclusivity deal =/= the decision to also release it on P C

So sony is letting them keep publishing right, would capcom be that stupid as to block out another console if they were paying for the game.

Capcom own the rights to the game, Sony paid for an exclusivity deal to keep the game on only one of the 3 consoles (the PS4). It's 100% Crapcoms decision to develop and publish the game for PC.

The difference is that PS4 first party games will never be on PC. They will always remain PS4 exclusive.

1. Your budget wont allow you to get a gaming PC.

(Lets be honest.. a good gaming PC will run you $600-$800. You can get an XBO for $350)

2. Not all 3rd party games are released on the PC.

3. You prefer consoles to PC.

..personally I don't see the point in owning a XBO if games like Fable Legends, Forza 5/6/Horizons, Halo 5, GeoW ect.. end up on the PC.

To be fair here, if we're counting price drops during specials sales, then you can cut the price of a pc by shopping around for good deals on each part.

Not to uncommon for local techshops to have a deal off for RAM.

But yeah, a proper pc will cost more than console. That cost will go down has tech evolves but base price will always benefit the ps4 and xb1.

If you already own the PC version, why would anyone want to then go play the inferior, downgraded, Xbone version with lower res and fps?

Unless you accidentally said that backwards.

Now my question is, when you play Xbone games on PC, will they be improved versions to take advantage of PC's superior hardware?

Because if can go play improved versions of all future Xbone games on PC with improved graphics, res, fps etc than that would be a very nice boost for PC.

Halo 5 Guardians on PC in 4K with improved textures versus the Xbone version in 900P and grainy textures with it's ancient GPU.

Sounds like PC would be the huge winner here not Xbone.

Lems this gen are going to have one hell of an identity crisis lol. Herms better be ready to embrace their underlings :P

You know, if X1 exclusives are coming to PC does that mean Sony is never getting a graphics king ever again?

When you're a PC gamer every other type of gamer are your underlings :P

ITT: Angry Lems.

Microsoft purposely gimped PC in the past because they want to isolate it from console sales. They wanted to grow the Xbox franchise and PC would just slow down that growth. Now, what they're doing marks a clear shift. It makes way more sense to assume that they're doing this because they recognize PC will give them better sales compared to Xbox than to assume they're doing this out of their kind hearts for PC gamers.

PS Vita Cross Buy Guide – updated 29th January 2015

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A

Alien Breed (PS Vita / PS3)

Another World (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Aqua Kitty: Milk Mine Defender DX (PS Vita / PS4)

B

Badland: Game Of The Year Edition (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Bentley’s Hackpack (PS Vita / PS3)

Big Sky Infinity (PS Vita / PS3)

BIT.TRIP Presents… Runner2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien (PS Vita / PS3)

C

CastleStorm (PS Vita / PS3)

Cel Damage HD (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Counterspy (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

D

Dead Nation (PS Vita / PS3)

Divekick (PS Vita / PS3)

Doki-Doki Universe (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Don’t Starve (PS Vita / PS4)

Dragon Fantasy Book I (PS Vita / PS3)

Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition (PS Vita / PS3)

E

Entwined (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Escape Plan (PS Vita / PS4)

Ethan: Meteor Hunter (PS Vita / PS3)

F

Fez (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

flOw (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Flower (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Futuridium (PS Vita / PS4)

G

God Of War Collection (PS Vita / PS3)

Grim Fandango Remastered (PS Vita / PS4)

Guacamelee! (PS Vita / PS3)

H

Hotline Miami (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Hustle Kings (PS Vita / PS3)

I

J

Jet Car Stunts (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

K

KickBeat (PS Vita / PS3)

King Oddball (PS Vita / PS4)

Knytt Underground (PS Vita / PS3) – must purchase PS3 version

L

Little Big Planet (PS Vita / PS3) – DLC only

Lone Survivor: The Director’s Cut (PS Vita / PS3)

Luftrausers (PS Vita / PS3)

M

Minecraft (PS Vita / PS3)

Minutes (PS Vita / PS4)

MotorStorm RC (PS Vita / PS3)

Mousecraft (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

N

Nidhogg (PS Vita / PS4)

O

OlliOlli (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

P

PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate (PS Vita / PS4)

Pix The Cat (PS Vita / PS4)

PlayStation All Stars Battle Royal (PS Vita / PS3) – must purchase PS3 version

Proteus (PS Vita / PS3)

Putty Squad (PS Vita / PS4)

Q

R

Race The Sun (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Ratchet And Clank: Q Force (PS Vita / PS3) – must purchase PS3 version

Ratchet And Clank: Q Force – all DLC (PS Vita / PS3)

Resogun (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Resogun (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Retro City Rampage (PS Vita / PS3)

Retro City Rampage DX (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Rock Boshers DX Director’s Cut (PS Vita / PS4)

Rogue Legacy (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Rollers Of The Realm (PS Vita / PS4)

Roundabout (PS Vita / PS4)

S

Sly Racoon (PS Vita / PS3)

Sly 2: Band Of Thieves (PS Vita / PS3)

Sly 3: Honour Among Thieves (PS Vita / PS3)

Sly Cooper: Thieves In Time (PS Vita / PS3) – must purchase PS3 version

Söldner-X 2: Final Prototype (PS Vita / PS3)

Sound Shapes (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Star Wars Pinball (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4) – must buy PS Vita or PS3 version of tables to get PS4 versions

Stealth Inc: A Clone In The Dark (PS Vita / PS3)

SteamWorld Dig (PS Vita / PS4)

Stick It To The Man (PS Vita / PS3)

Superfrog (PS Vita / PS3)

Switch Galaxy Ultra (PS Vita / PS4)

T

The Jak And Daxter Trilogy (PS Vita / PS3) – must buy PS3 version

The Pinball Arcade (PS Vita / PS3) – all tables

The Sly Trilogy (PS Vita / PS3) – must buy PS3 version

The Swapper (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

The Unfinished Swan (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Thomas Was Alone (PS Vita / PS3)

Tiny Troopers Joint Ops (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Titan Attacks (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4)

Top Darts (PS Vita / PS3)

U

V

Velocity 2X (PS Vita / PS4)

W

We Are Doomed (PS Vita / PS4)

When Vikings Attack (PS Vita / PS3)

WipEout HD (PS Vita / PS3) – must buy PS3 version to unlock tracks as DLC for WipEout 2048

WipEout HD Fury (PS Vita / PS3) – must buy PS3 version to unlock tracks as DLC for WipEout 2048

X

Y

Z

Zen Pinball 2 (PS Vita / PS3 / PS4) – must buy PS Vita or PS3 version of tables to get PS4 versions

Notes

• Limbo was originally Cross Buy between the PS Vita and PS3 but this feature was later removed meaning that buyers had to choose which version they wanted to keep. Loading and playing one version automatically deactivated the other.
• While the game itself does not support Cross Buy, all of the user-created content for ModNation Racers on the PS3 is supported on the PS Vita.

What's the point of getting a more expensive gaming system like the PS4 when you could get these cross-buy games listed on a cheaper gaming system? This cross-buy feature was highly touted by Sony fans but now they describe this feature as a detriment. This cross-buy feature should be embraced by gaming consumers. The ability to access your games on multiple devices for the price of one should be a good thing. Also are there any confirmation that ALL FIRST PARTY will be cross-buy?

Oh yeah don't worry I'm aware, they're the only underling faction that will be absorbed by the herms though soon.

Nobody other than Blab , Char , and people from Japan owns a Vita though. Lol.

Well for one, PC has always had the graphics kings. What made you think consoles had graphics kings?

And for two, if xbone exclusives are coming to PC, then they will no longer be "exclusives", they'll be multi plats.

Now i'm still waiting for someone to answer my question if the PC versions of all future Xbone games will be upgraded versions to take advantage of PC's superior hardware?

@misterpmedia: console gamers better hope not. The last thing a consumer needs is a monopoly

If Xbox gets absorbed into PC Sony will still be battling it out with Nintendo in the console space. It will be fine.

No it won't. Nintendo can't compete with the big budget blockbusters which leaves Sony in the console space.

Doesn't matter either way, they'll still be both competing. The WiiU is still a thing and we have no idea what Nintendo's next hardware venture will be. It sure as hell won't be going PC lol. Sony and Nintendo will be fine on their own in the console space, they have been before.

They have been *before*. Key word there. The days of yesterday year don't apply anymore. Not with the latest trend of DLC's, microtransactions, social media integration etc. Look at the games that have come for the PS4, pretty games that are lacking in substance. Sony needs Microsoft to keep Sony on its toes. You really think we would of got games like TLOU without MS breathing down Sony's neck?

Failing to see what directly correlates MS being in the console business and what games Sony makes...

As for the bold: Opinions. Some people think TLOU is a pretty game that lacked substance so you're reasoning is fruitless.

Second bold: Yes we would have because Naughty Dog would have pitched the idea and Sony would have green lit it? What's it got to do with MS? lol.

As hard as this is for hermits to understand, there are plenty of people that don't like gaming on PC and prefer to play games on consoles.

Unless it is a strategy game, I will always choose to play a game on my Xbox over my PC.

@starwolf474: why are you singling hermits out when this thread is made by a Sony fanboy?

The argument to own an X1 is straightforward enough: plug-and-play. No manual configuration or installation necessary and quick, easy access to an extensive library of games.

But the signals MS are making indicate that the traditional definition of what constitutes a "platform" won't be determined by hardware configuration in the future. Steam machines are a great example of how MS should have been positioning Xbox from the beginning - the box is largely unimportant; the unifying element should be the OS/ecosystem and the services provided therein.

hey man, I own one

Microsoft has a broader vision than being on just consoles, they want people to be in their ecosystem, the XB1 will simply be placed as a form factor of Windows 10 , kinda like how the Phone, PC and Tablet are different form factors of Windows 10. I sense they will give away the Xbox One OS to OEMs but keep selling the XB1, it's simply like Surface Pro 3, MS makes hardware but gives away OEMs OSes

Companies are in console business to make money. Unlike Sony, Microsoft knows how to make money and they know there is a lot of profit in growing PC gaming market. Previously they focused exclusively on Xbox and took things lightly. Due to that, Steam killed crappy GFWL. This time due to growing market and competition from other companies, they decided to focus on PC gaming once again and it doesn't matter if the game is exclusive to console or not, one can still play the game on any platform he wants, even if it means "ownage" here. That said, I'll believe it when I see it. So far Microsoft has only talked and not delivered.

To have an ecosystem, that will be awesome, all devices sharing easily, having a choice to play on my computer or on my big screen tv, if the tv is in use I can jump on my pc and pick up right where I left off, that would be amazing. Games on more platforms = more choice = better for customers. I fail to see how this decision is some how bad? It's extremely weak cannon on SW.

Well, many PC gamers like the performance advantage a PC brings to gaming, then again a lot of people like playing on consoles, and if someone is a PC gamer but some of their friends play on consoles then at least they wouldn't need to redundantly buy the same games on consoles to play with friends online, they'd simply just need to buy the console. Then when they want that performance advantage they can go back to PC.

As for console gamers, the upside is if they ever do get a gaming PC then those games will be obtainable since they already bought it on an Xbox One.

I think one thing that hasn't really been brought up is whether this restriction applies to digital purchases only, I'd just assume that it did. There's still many people out there unwilling to make the jump to digital.

Another thing I'm curious is online features, will the PC cross-buys require XBL Gold? Will it be able to use other servers? If it's online features are locked behind Gold on PC then I'd see that as more of a reason for people not to care so much about this if they're already gaming on the PC end.

The big ones won't come to PC though, like Halo and Gears. Those are the games that sell the consoles.

Really that was more of an issue with the 360. As it currently stand X1 has better exclusives than the ps4. If all of the ps4's best game are ps3 games, what's the point of getting a ps4?

*insert philosoraptor pic*

lmao, good one. bloodborne says hi.

The beauty with purchasing content using a Microsoft account is even if you don't own an Xbox One, you're able to go on any and every Xbox One and access your purchased content. With this cross-buy feature, it expands this even more. My brother has a gaming laptop so if ever I want to play my Xbox One cross-buy game, then I could use it. Now since this cross-buy feature seems to be planned to be available for all Windows devices, if all pans out nicely then you could access the content on even more devices. That should be a plus to every gaming consumer but then again most of the Sony fans here love paying full retail price and seem to love to buy the same games on different devices like TLoU at full retail price.

March 24th release date says hi. Watch that game flop too.

pretty sure that's not a currently released title

@extrodinare101: False statement is false. Don't talk about things you have no knowledge about. I know people still running 560tis and mid range 7000 series cards and getting by just fine at 720p high settings without the intense physx or ambient occlusion. Mid range machines that cost no more then $800 at their most expensive prices and for most my friends around $500 as shopping around makes a big difference. Hell you can get a pc with an r9 290 for under $400 don't believe me check out linus tech tips budget build made from used parts.Just have too put some effort in. Hell they found those parts in two days.

Naw it's the truth, I know it hurts but a 560 ti isn't going to run a game like the Witcher 3 or Arkham Knight as well as a PS4 or an Xbox One will.

I can build a PC for 500 bucks, it won't be good in a year from now though. These are the facts

If you think a 560ti is a bad card your fooling yourself. It trades blows with the 7850 at it's best models and the 7770 at it's lower end. You clearly don't know what your talking about, because a 560ti is still more then capable of running modern games just fine, I've seen the proof with my own eyes. If the xbox one is considered exceptable then the 560ti fits right in with it performance wise and that card released in February 2010. Hell there's videos on youtube of BF4 running at Ultra settings no AA 60+fps at 720p. So your wrong plane and simple, as that's clearly superior too the xbox versions abilities.

it doesn't have any imho

@lostrib: The best part of this thread is about consumerism. What is your stance on the console market if MS bows out?