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#51 -Sniper99-
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[QUOTE="IGN"]Even the shotgun – that staple of the FPS genre – just isn't that compelling. This thing doesn't feel like raw death in your hands. It feels like slapping someone with wet newspaper. Slapping them very very hard with a semi-automatic newspaper, of course, but a slap nonetheless.LightReflection

wat

:lol: I haven't seen any of the shotgun clips. DAMN that was awesome, WTF is IGN talking about?:?
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#52 Truth_Hurts_U
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[QUOTE="LightReflection"]

[QUOTE="IGN"]Even the shotgun – that staple of the FPS genre – just isn't that compelling. This thing doesn't feel like raw death in your hands. It feels like slapping someone with wet newspaper. Slapping them very very hard with a semi-automatic newspaper, of course, but a slap nonetheless.ZoomZoom2490

wat

owned, and wow, look at the scenery

Think they are talking about how the enemies just drop in a big cloud of blood that vanishes and have no blow back... There isn't even blood on the ground where the guy died.

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#53 RuinedMachine
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[QUOTE="IGN"]Even the shotgun – that staple of the FPS genre – just isn't that compelling. This thing doesn't feel like raw death in your hands. It feels like slapping someone with wet newspaper. Slapping them very very hard with a semi-automatic newspaper, of course, but a slap nonetheless.LightReflection

wat

That's one hell of a headline!

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#54 no_handlebars
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Polishing is what they will be doing for the next 2 months, something that mass effect on x360 and many other 360 games should of had.

ZoomZoom2490
This statement will add atleast 3 more pages to this topic.
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#55 Giancar
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[QUOTE="IGN"]Even the shotgun – that staple of the FPS genre – just isn't that compelling. This thing doesn't feel like raw death in your hands. It feels like slapping someone with wet newspaper. Slapping them very very hard with a semi-automatic newspaper, of course, but a slap nonetheless.LightReflection

wat

that gif looks pretty awesome :shock:
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#56 RuinedMachine
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="LightReflection"]

wat

Truth_Hurts_U

owned, and wow, look at the scenery

Think they are talking about how the enemies just drop in a big cloud of blood that vanishes and have no blow back... There isn't even blood on the ground where the guy died.

Do we know if it's always the same animation?

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#57 Mordred19
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Seeing the new videos of KZ2 today made me want to facepalm. Learning that the magnum pistol has unlimited ammo didn't help.

I'm now really concerned about this game.

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[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] owned, and wow, look at the sceneryRuinedMachine

Think they are talking about how the enemies just drop in a big cloud of blood that vanishes and have no blow back... There isn't even blood on the ground where the guy died.

Do we know if it's always the same animation?

depends where someone gets shot, i saw one gif that looked awesome when someoene got shot in the legs
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"] I used the exact words for the title of each section of the article. The weapons are fine, but they aren't exciting.mstc_Q
what it means is that the weaopns are pretty much like in other shooting games, what do you want? someone with a plunger?

If the game is going to be the next best thing, it needs to be different. If it's the same, then what's the point?

why does everything need to be soo different?

what this game is going to be like is going to a resturant and eating an amazing cheeseburger, just because youve had many of them before in your life doesnt make it anyless oh so delicious

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[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] owned, and wow, look at the sceneryRuinedMachine

Think they are talking about how the enemies just drop in a big cloud of blood that vanishes and have no blow back... There isn't even blood on the ground where the guy died.

Do we know if it's always the same animation?

honestly what else do you want? when someone gets shot they fall, unless you want them to jump up in the air and grow wings and fly to heaven? and if thats what u want, call up gurilla and tell them to make a special mod for you, there is nothing else i can add or say to ur question
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#61 BumFluff122
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Sounds like you can't admit that Gears 2 isn't nearly as good as it could've been. Please tell me the awesome weapons? Let's see, we have a machine gun, a shotgun, a bow n' arrow, a sniper, a rifle, a normal pistol, and stronger pistol, a machine-gun pistol, a flamethrower, and a laser-beam. Lot's of variety, but nothing AWESOME like IGN is talking about. The AI in gears is pretty bad. Enemies don't do anything particularily smart, and it takes an AI ally forever to pick you up. The enemies are all repetitive. Sure, there's a few mix-ups, but mostly you deal with grey, boring, enemies. The scripting in Gears is again brutal. Can you honestly say that any of the game was fun until half-way through? Even after the lake monster, there's nothing really fun or new. You move through a level slowly, stopping behind cover every few minutes, clear out a room, then move on. C'mon now, at least put up a reason why you thought it was funny:wink:-Sniper99-
Because the Hammer of Dawn and Torque Bow are in every game right?
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I do believe that throwing mixed forces at the player is a big part of delivering quality action. Having to face multiple foes with different abilites and behaviors at the same time can greatly affect the feel of combat. Horde mode of Gears 2 is a prime example, and I always liked how Halo mixed up the squads that fought you at any given time.
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#63 VendettaRed07
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[QUOTE="IGN"]Even the shotgun – that staple of the FPS genre – just isn't that compelling. This thing doesn't feel like raw death in your hands. It feels like slapping someone with wet newspaper. Slapping them very very hard with a semi-automatic newspaper, of course, but a slap nonetheless.LightReflection

wat

lmao, i guess they meant its like getting hit with a wet news paper that explodes your face on impact

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honestly what else do you want? when someone gets shot they fall, unless you want them to jump up in the air and grow wings and fly to heaven? do you?ZoomZoom2490

I want their head to explode when I shoot it. I want an arm or a leg to come off... I want blood on their bodies and on the ground. Yet there is none of that. Just a guy falling down in a blood cloud that vanishes.

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#65 Mordred19
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[QUOTE="LightReflection"]

[QUOTE="IGN"]Even the shotgun – that staple of the FPS genre – just isn't that compelling. This thing doesn't feel like raw death in your hands. It feels like slapping someone with wet newspaper. Slapping them very very hard with a semi-automatic newspaper, of course, but a slap nonetheless.VendettaRed07

wat

lmao, i guess they meant its like getting hit with a wet news paper that explodes your face on impact

We only know how it looks. Unless we have the controller in our hands and headphone directly hooked up to the system, we can't say for sure how the shotgun feels or sounds.

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#66 Mordred19
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]honestly what else do you want? when someone gets shot they fall, unless you want them to jump up in the air and grow wings and fly to heaven? do you?Truth_Hurts_U

I want their head to explode when I shoot it. I want an arm or a leg to come off... I want blood on their bodies and on the ground. Yet there is none of that. Just a guy falling down in a blood cloud that vanishes.

I've seen blood pooling on the ground in one of the videos.

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#67 Salt_The_Fries
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]honestly what else do you want? when someone gets shot they fall, unless you want them to jump up in the air and grow wings and fly to heaven? do you?Truth_Hurts_U

I want their head to explode when I shoot it. I want an arm or a leg to come off... I want blood on their bodies and on the ground. Yet there is none of that. Just a guy falling down in a blood cloud that vanishes.

And speaking of such atrocities, Soldier of Fortune 2 had the best gore in that department. I just loved the sound of tissue being ripped apart when you killed someone with headshot using a shotgun.
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#68 VendettaRed07
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[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="LightReflection"]

wat

Mordred19

lmao, i guess they meant its like getting hit with a wet news paper that explodes your face on impact

We only know how it looks. Unless we have the controller in our hands and headphone directly hooked up to the system, we can't say for sure how the shotgun feels or sounds.

yeah i suppose, but that giff made it look awesome :o

i heard the sound is the biggest issue with it, that its just not loud or, doesnt make it feel like a huge impact, and what ive seen from the beta vids, there pretty much right

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#69 ganon546
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Yes sir I will stop hyping it now that you told me to :roll:
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The beta is 6 months old?? ( version 1.00 )
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[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]Sounds like you can't admit that Gears 2 isn't nearly as good as it could've been. Please tell me the awesome weapons? Let's see, we have a machine gun, a shotgun, a bow n' arrow, a sniper, a rifle, a normal pistol, and stronger pistol, a machine-gun pistol, a flamethrower, and a laser-beam. Lot's of variety, but nothing AWESOME like IGN is talking about. The AI in gears is pretty bad. Enemies don't do anything particularily smart, and it takes an AI ally forever to pick you up. The enemies are all repetitive. Sure, there's a few mix-ups, but mostly you deal with grey, boring, enemies. The scripting in Gears is again brutal. Can you honestly say that any of the game was fun until half-way through? Even after the lake monster, there's nothing really fun or new. You move through a level slowly, stopping behind cover every few minutes, clear out a room, then move on. C'mon now, at least put up a reason why you thought it was funny:wink:BumFluff122
Because the Hammer of Dawn and Torque Bow are in every game right?

Bow n Arrow isn't anything new:wink: So one weapon=totally new, unique weapons?
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ahh i love this. all the haters saying i wasn't in beta and was talking ****. time to eat your words people - looks like another respected group of people (IGN) have some bad things to say about the beta too.

when will cows learn - graphics don't make the game.

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#73 Truth_Hurts_U
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And speaking of such atrocities, Soldier of Fortune 2 had the best gore in that department. I just loved the sound of tissue being ripped apart when you killed someone with headshot using a shotgun.Salt_The_Fries

Yeah I miss looking at their exposed brains. I like cutting them up with the knife. Get some practice with my surgery skills.

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ahh i love this. all the haters saying i wasn't in beta and was talking ****. time to eat your words people - looks like another respected group of people (IGN) have some bad things to say about the beta too.

when will cows learn - graphics don't make the game.

3picuri3

sure, there are problems with it, there are problems with every game, but in general ign seems to love this game

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#75 RuinedMachine
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[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="LightReflection"]

wat

Mordred19

lmao, i guess they meant its like getting hit with a wet news paper that explodes your face on impact

We only know how it looks. Unless we have the controller in our hands and headphone directly hooked up to the system, we can't say for sure how the shotgun feels or sounds.

Yeah I'm sure the sound will be PEW PEW PEW.

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[QUOTE="Salt_The_Fries"]And speaking of such atrocities, Soldier of Fortune 2 had the best gore in that department. I just loved the sound of tissue being ripped apart when you killed someone with headshot using a shotgun.Truth_Hurts_U

Yeah I miss looking at their exposed brains. I like cutting them up with the knife. Get some practice with my surgery skills.

You, sir, are now officially tracked by me. I see we have some common "interests" :lol: !
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

lmao, i guess they meant its like getting hit with a wet news paper that explodes your face on impact

RuinedMachine

We only know how it looks. Unless we have the controller in our hands and headphone directly hooked up to the system, we can't say for sure how the shotgun feels or sounds.

Yeah I'm sure the sound will be PEW PEW PEW.

that would be awesome, and im not even lying

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After watching this...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43367.html

I'm not so sure about this game. I guess we'll see early next year if it can meet the insane amount of hype.

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#79 VendettaRed07
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After watching this...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43367.html

I'm not so sure about this game. I guess we'll see early next year if it can meet the insane amount of hype.

BioShockOwnz

lol, wtf was up with the helgan voices???

ahggggghhhhh nooooooooooooo!!! hah, it sounded like voice clips from wolfenstein

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[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

ahh i love this. all the haters saying i wasn't in beta and was talking ****. time to eat your words people - looks like another respected group of people (IGN) have some bad things to say about the beta too.

when will cows learn - graphics don't make the game.

VendettaRed07

sure, there are problems with it, there are problems with every game, but in general ign seems to love this game

i always said i thing it could be a solid game with good SP campaign, but the MP needs tons of work - and in areas they refuse to work on.. like including cover system. even if they would work on it they don't have the time before launch to get it all fixed. unless the SP ROCKS - i'm calling flop right now. cows have hyped it through the roof.
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]honestly what else do you want? when someone gets shot they fall, unless you want them to jump up in the air and grow wings and fly to heaven? do you?Truth_Hurts_U

I want their head to explode when I shoot it. I want an arm or a leg to come off... I want blood on their bodies and on the ground. Yet there is none of that. Just a guy falling down in a blood cloud that vanishes.

Nah, there is no blood on the ground or around the surrounding areas of enemies that have been shot at all. Nor do the enemies have location specific reactions to being shot either, do they?


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After watching this...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43367.html

I'm not so sure about this game. I guess we'll see early next year if it can meet the insane amount of hype.

BioShockOwnz

Yeah, apart from the hype worthy graphics. I don't see what this game has to offer more then the average FPS already does.

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[QUOTE="jmdude"]It's only a preview code and there's still a couple of months for Guerilla to fix it. and wow you only put the negative ones.ZoomZoom2490
see the second post in this thread, you will find the answer to that.

yeah that's right :lol:
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Question is, did Guerilla intend the beta for valuable feedback to use to make last minute changes to improve the game or did they intend it just to build up hype?
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

After watching this...

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43367.html

I'm not so sure about this game. I guess we'll see early next year if it can meet the insane amount of hype.

Truth_Hurts_U

Yeah, apart from the hype worthy graphics. I don't see what this game has to offer more then the average FPS already does.

Yup, the graphics scream top of the line AAA game, but other than that, it seems rather dull. I hope it meets hype. I don't want more disappointments.

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really well i guess this is a flop or a troll
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#89 Truth_Hurts_U
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Nah, there is no blood on the ground or around the surrounding areas of enemies that have been shot at all. Nor do the enemies have location specific reactions to being shot either, do they?


ironcreed

Oh, boy some blood. Some on the ground and none on the soldiers. Boy, what kind of blood do they have? Magic blood or clothes made by Bounty "the quicker picker uper".

I seen video's of no blood coming from soldiers. The very gif posted on here shows no blood.

A dancing rag doll doesn't beat a rag doll that blows apart when you shoot it.

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#90 3picuri3
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Question is, did Guerilla intend the beta for valuable feedback to use to make last minute changes to improve the game or did they intend it just to build up hype?nervmeister
console betas, and a lot of PC betas these days aren't betas at all - they are exclusive demos. they might fix and tweak minor things, but it's not a proper beta by any means. real betas you have to register on forums, submit bug reports, test for specific bugs, give feedback, etc. trust me, i've been in many 'real' betas. like you suggested - they're mainly intended to build hype.
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#91 Couth_
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"]Question is, did Guerilla intend the beta for valuable feedback to use to make last minute changes to improve the game or did they intend it just to build up hype?3picuri3
console betas, and a lot of PC betas these days aren't betas at all - they are exclusive demos. they might fix and tweak minor things, but it's not a proper beta by any means. real betas you have to register on forums, submit bug reports, test for specific bugs, give feedback, etc. trust me, i've been in many 'real' betas. like you suggested - they're mainly intended to build hype.

Or it's a chance for them to test their game and their servers, as well as fix glitches. R2 beta patched up quite a few things before release.
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]Question is, did Guerilla intend the beta for valuable feedback to use to make last minute changes to improve the game or did they intend it just to build up hype?Couth_
console betas, and a lot of PC betas these days aren't betas at all - they are exclusive demos. they might fix and tweak minor things, but it's not a proper beta by any means. real betas you have to register on forums, submit bug reports, test for specific bugs, give feedback, etc. trust me, i've been in many 'real' betas. like you suggested - they're mainly intended to build hype.

Or it's a chance for them to test their game and their servers, as well as fix glitches. R2 beta patched up quite a few things before release.

like i said, minor tweaks. it's not a real beta - and many times they never change a thing. depends on the developer. some take it as a chance to tweak online code, do minor fixes, others use it to build hype. we'll see when KZ2 releases which kind this one is :)
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#93 Truth_Hurts_U
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Yup, the graphics scream top of the line AAA game, but other than that, it seems rather dull. I hope it meets hype. I don't want more disappointments.

BioShockOwnz

If I don't get my $60 worth of hype I will be ticked too. I want a slice of that $32-36 million dollar game... It better be good.

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#94 Couth_
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"] like i said, minor tweaks. it's not a real beta - and many times they never change a thing. depends on the developer. some take it as a chance to tweak online code, do minor fixes, others use it to build hype. we'll see when KZ2 releases which kind this one is :)

Well it depends what you mean. The R2 was a public beta, that started only 3 weeks before release, and led up to the day it released, when they patched it up. KZ2 is still 3 months away and the beta still isn't 'public'. Your not going to get a huge overhaul in graphics or gameplay like some poeple think . But no doubt they will tweak some gameplay mechanics and such
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#95 3picuri3
Member since 2006 • 9618 Posts
[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yup, the graphics scream top of the line AAA game, but other than that, it seems rather dull. I hope it meets hype. I don't want more disappointments.

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If I don't get my $60 worth of hype I will be ticked too. I want a slice of that $32-36 million dollar game... It better be good.

i'd say there's a 90%probability it's going to let people down given the hype - but who knows. maybe they have some ace up their sleeves.

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#97 Nonstop-Madness
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Did anyone read the article ? It makes sense but not all of it does like saying the weapons are so so (shotgun not powerful enough), 1 shotgun shell to the chest is a kill but I agree with the weak flamethrower (yes theres a flamethrower). Vanilla enemies ?? soldiers dont pimp out there uniform. Although I might agree with pacing and ai problems but I havent playied campaign. The game is a solid 9 even if the problems dont get fixed.
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#98 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] like i said, minor tweaks. it's not a real beta - and many times they never change a thing. depends on the developer. some take it as a chance to tweak online code, do minor fixes, others use it to build hype. we'll see when KZ2 releases which kind this one is :)

Well it depends what you mean. The R2 was a public beta, that started only 3 weeks before release, and led up to the day it released, when they patched it up. KZ2 is still 3 months away and the beta still isn't 'public'. Your not going to get a huge overhaul in graphics or gameplay like some poeple think . But no doubt they will tweak some gameplay mechanics and such

yeah, my point IS that console betas are intended for PATCHES. real betas are to address glaring problems with GAMEPLAY. it's not complicated. console betas are not anything close to what a real beta is - their sole purpose is to build hype and stress test.
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#99 ironcreed
Member since 2005 • 14195 Posts
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Nah, there is no blood on the ground or around the surrounding areas of enemies that have been shot at all. Nor do the enemies have location specific reactions to being shot either, do they?


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Oh, boy some blood. Some on the ground and none on the soldiers. Boy, what kind of blood do they have? Magic blood or clothes made by Bounty "the quicker picker uper".

I seen video's of no blood coming from soldiers. The very gif posted on here shows no blood.

A dancing rag doll doesn't beat a rag doll that blows apart when you shoot it.

LOL, it has a hell of a lot more realistic physics than anything you see in Gears, Halo or COD, that's for sure. Yet you never see any of those games getting knocked. Hell, if anything, Gears is too over the top. Anyway, it seems your mind is already made up before the game has even released, so why do I even bother? So much for the benefit of the doubt, aye?:roll:

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#100 Couth_
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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] like i said, minor tweaks. it's not a real beta - and many times they never change a thing. depends on the developer. some take it as a chance to tweak online code, do minor fixes, others use it to build hype. we'll see when KZ2 releases which kind this one is :) 3picuri3
Well it depends what you mean. The R2 was a public beta, that started only 3 weeks before release, and led up to the day it released, when they patched it up. KZ2 is still 3 months away and the beta still isn't 'public'. Your not going to get a huge overhaul in graphics or gameplay like some poeple think . But no doubt they will tweak some gameplay mechanics and such

yeah, my point IS that console betas are intended for PATCHES. real betas are to address glaring problems with GAMEPLAY. it's not complicated. console betas are not anything close to what a real beta is - their sole purpose is to build hype and stress test.

To be honest it sounds like your talking about Alpha stage. I doubt glaring problems are left all the way in to beta stages... :? But i'm going to stap here. I have seen your strange arguments get proven wrong time and time again, this wouldn't be any different