IGN: Next xbox to be 20% more powerful than Wii U. October 2013.

It can't even surpass a 460, and I have 2 460s, lol.

mitu123

This leads to sustainable levels of development costs, an environment where the mid-tier dev can survive and go head to head with blockbuster publishers.

It means a much healthier games library because it allows devs to take risks in their choice of gameplay, artstyle and genre.

I just realized that maybe it is true that PC is currently one gen ahead. :lol:

[QUOTE="ReviewerDrake"]

Only 20% Look's like PS4 is going to be most powerful next GEN.

SuperFlakeman

And that will be their downfall (if the leap is significant)

PSP

PS3

PSV

What do these three consoles all have in common? a) power b) poor sales

I honestly wonder when mobile devices will start to overtake game consoles given the glacial pace at which they improve. Though I suppose cloud gaming will make hardware irrelevant in a few years anyway.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

It can't even surpass a 460, and I have 2 460s, lol.

SuperFlakeman

This leads to sustainable levels of development costs, an environment where the mid-tier dev can survive and go head to head with blockbuster publishers.

It means a much healthier games library because it allows devs to take risks in their choice of gameplay, artstyle and genre.

The xbox 360 gpu is comparable to what. I read the ATI x1900 which is just crazy to think how good the graphics in the 360 looks.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

So much for beating PCs, where's loosingENDs now?

mitu123

I am where all my favourite games are

If that is PC next gen, i will move to PC

The fact that i find 360 perfect this gen, does not mean i will find 720 the same if it is weak and looses all the perks or 360 like amazing JRPGs etc

Don't worry, the 720 will still be amazing.

Depends, if these rumors are true and looses all edge in multipltform games, add the fact that most exlusives eventually move to PC and the fact that MIstwalker is no longer making xbox games, then could well be the worst system next gen

Who cares about hardware, the games will still be the same as this gen (i.e. more Halo, Forza and Fable and Kinect).

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

So much for beating PCs, where's loosingENDs now?

loosingENDS

I am where all my favourite games are

If that is PC next gen, i will move to PC

The fact that i find 360 perfect this gen, does not mean i will find 720 the same if it is weak and looses all the perks or 360 like amazing WRPGs-JRPGs, great looking multipltforms, best multiplat versions on consoles etc

wow how strange that suddenly you are changing stances. Before the 360 was the best thing ever and much better than PCs and the 720 was gonna be the next coming of Christ and trounce everything in its path including PCs but now you're saying that you might move to PC because your opinion on the 720 is sullied due to recent news.

What happened to the PCs clearing up the blurry movie-esque quality of the consoles?

It will look really nice, a step up from now means the games will look really good, pc level good after a few years of being on the market. By then the pc will be so far ahead again.

The PSP and PS3 have poor sales?

spookykid143

Software sales of PSP are beyond terrible outside of Japan (piracy). The hardware itself probably made some nice profits.PS3 was a financial disaster.

And poor sales, compared to their competitors. Sony had 33% marketshare in the handheld space (not bad for a first timer though) and a drastic drop in marketshare from PS2 to PS3. 3DS is currently outselling Vita 5 to 1.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

I am where all my favourite games are

If that is PC next gen, i will move to PC

The fact that i find 360 perfect this gen, does not mean i will find 720 the same if it is weak and looses all the perks or 360 like amazing JRPGs etc

loosingENDS

Don't worry, the 720 will still be amazing.

Depends, if these rumors are true and looses all edge in multipltform games, add the fact that most exlusives eventually move to PC and the fact that MIstwalker is no longer making xbox games, then could well be the worst system next gen

lol so it was going to be the best of all platforms a few days ago and now it could be worst? make up your tiny little mind

I just realized that maybe it is true that PC is currently one gen ahead. :lol:

glez13

Hardware wise it easily is. This is a 6670 in comparison to a 6950 2GB.

I have 2 6950s, which aren't even the highest end cards out right now

Who cares about hardware, the games will still be the same as this gen (i.e. more Halo, Forza and Fable and Kinect).

nameless12345

Bu...bu..but the TESSELLATION! You're forgetting about the TESSELLATION! :x

Who cares about hardware, the games will still be the same as this gen (i.e. more Halo, Forza and Fable and Kinect).

nameless12345

True that. Development costs will sky rocket leaving developers no option but to make sequel after sequel, rehash after rehash.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

It can't even surpass a 460, and I have 2 460s, lol.

SuperFlakeman

This leads to sustainable levels of development costs, an environment where the mid-tier dev can survive and go head to head with blockbuster publishers.

It means a much healthier games library because it allows devs to take risks in their choice of gameplay, artstyle and genre.

Historically the blockbuster publishers haven't been the ones to push high quality graphics. It's almost always a smaller developer that creates the new benchmark.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Who cares about hardware, the games will still be the same as this gen (i.e. more Halo, Forza and Fable and Kinect).

stvee101

Bu...bu..but the TESSALATION! You're forgetting about the TESSALATION! :x

Any Dx11 support on the consoles full stop

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Who cares about hardware, the games will still be the same as this gen (i.e. more Halo, Forza and Fable and Kinect).

stvee101

Bu...bu..but the TESSALATION! You're forgetting about the TESSALATION! :x

Meh, my Radeon 8500 from back in 2001 could do tessellation. DX11 is just a gimmick to sell expensive graphics cards :P

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

So much for beating PCs, where's loosingENDs now?

seanmcloughlin

I am where all my favourite games are

If that is PC next gen, i will move to PC

The fact that i find 360 perfect this gen, does not mean i will find 720 the same if it is weak and looses all the perks or 360 like amazing WRPGs-JRPGs, great looking multipltforms, best multiplat versions on consoles etc

wow how strange that suddenly you are changing stances. Before the 360 was the best thing ever and much better than PCs and the 720 was gonna be the next coming of Christ and trounce everything in its path including PCs but now you're saying that you might move to PC because your opinion on the 720 is sullied due to recent news.

What happened to the PCs clearing up the blurry movie-esque quality of the consoles?

360 is still what i said for me

That does not mean 720 will be the same if it has none of 360 qualities

[QUOTE="glez13"]

I just realized that maybe it is true that PC is currently one gen ahead. :lol:

BPoole96

Hardware wise it easily is. This is a 6670 in comparison to a 6950 2GB.

I have 2 6950s, which aren't even the highest end cards out right now

Lol there is a 150% difference and higher in some cases. That's 3 times more powerful before it's even released if that's what it really will have :P

And that's not even the strongest GPU to compare it to :|

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

I am where all my favourite games are

If that is PC next gen, i will move to PC

The fact that i find 360 perfect this gen, does not mean i will find 720 the same if it is weak and looses all the perks or 360 like amazing WRPGs-JRPGs, great looking multipltforms, best multiplat versions on consoles etc

loosingENDS

wow how strange that suddenly you are changing stances. Before the 360 was the best thing ever and much better than PCs and the 720 was gonna be the next coming of Christ and trounce everything in its path including PCs but now you're saying that you might move to PC because your opinion on the 720 is sullied due to recent news.

What happened to the PCs clearing up the blurry movie-esque quality of the consoles?

360 is still what i said for me

That does not mean 720 will be the same if it has none of 360 qualities

Whatever dude.

[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

The PSP and PS3 have poor sales?

SuperFlakeman

Software sales of PSP are beyond terrible outside of Japan (piracy). The hardware itself probably made some nice profits.PS3 was a financial disaster.

And poor sales, compared to their competitors. Sony had 33% marketshare in the handheld space (not bad for a first timer though) and a drastic drop in marketshare from PS2 to PS3. 3DS is currently outselling Vita 5 to 1.

lol so it was going to be the best of all platforms a few days ago and now it could be worst? make up your tiny little mind

seanmcloughlin

If it is like 360 case, yes

But it seems is nothing like 360 case, if it is that weak is more like Wii case or worst

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="glez13"]

I just realized that maybe it is true that PC is currently one gen ahead. :lol:

seanmcloughlin

Hardware wise it easily is. This is a 6670 in comparison to a 6950 2GB.

I have 2 6950s, which aren't even the highest end cards out right now

Lol there is a 150% difference and higher in some cases. That's 3 times more powerful before it's even released if that's what it really will have :P

And that's not even the strongest GPU to compare it to :|

Then you can have those 6950's in Crossfire ( which I have also ) , some games give you a 90% increase of performance. Just with the graphics cards of my pc it is already 4 times the new xbox ( all rumours by the way ) .

HD 6670???!!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

vtoshkatur

Looks like PC is going to be the epic golden age next gen :P

Not buying the next Xbox.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

lol so it was going to be the best of all platforms a few days ago and now it could be worst? make up your tiny little mind

loosingENDS

If it is like 360 case, yes

But it seems is nothing like 360 case, if it is that weak is more like Wii case or worst

What happened to your precious 720 predictions of having Avatar like visuals or the Samaritan demo in real time?

Bottom line is you got your mouth shut by everyone here because they know far more than you and now this news has just left all your threads and arguments deflated. Don't try to act like you never hyped the 720 to death

Not buying the next Xbox.

dream431ca

If it is that weak probably me too

I will wait for xbox 1080 and game on PC/PS4/WiiU in the mean time

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

It can't even surpass a 460, and I have 2 460s, lol.

superfluidity

This leads to sustainable levels of development costs, an environment where the mid-tier dev can survive and go head to head with blockbuster publishers.

It means a much healthier games library because it allows devs to take risks in their choice of gameplay, artstyle and genre.

Historically the blockbuster publishers haven't been the ones to push high quality graphics. It's almost always a smaller developer that creates the new benchmark.

In the Xbox360/PS3 dudebro era only blockbuster publishers have the budgets required to pull off high end graphics, and even then, they had to be conservative and not take risks in game design.

This lead to the homogenization of gaming. When Castlevania has God of War gameplay with lord of the rings graphics/sound, and 50% of the games are shooters in some form, is something is wrong.

More power to those who enjoyed blockbuster gaming in this gen. I would rather play Meat Boy for 80 hours than most games on the HD platforms for 10.

LOL I got the first post of the page for 3 pages in a row now.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Hardware wise it easily is. This is a 6670 in comparison to a 6950 2GB.

I have 2 6950s, which aren't even the highest end cards out right now

sailor232

Lol there is a 150% difference and higher in some cases. That's 3 times more powerful before it's even released if that's what it really will have :P

And that's not even the strongest GPU to compare it to :|

Then you can have those 6950's in Crossfire ( which I have also ) , some games give you a 90% increase of performance. Just with the graphics cards of my pc it is already 4 times the new xbox ( all rumours by the way ) .

Not to mention Nvidias new Kepler GPUs which are supposed to be very strong. Based on the rumours PC is 3 times stronger at mid level when it will be released, even more by then. And it will only continue to get stronger and stronger. That's actually kind of sad news for consoles. Part of me was kind of hoping for them to put up a good fight

What happened to your precious 720 predictions of having Avatar like visuals or the Samaritan demo in real time?

Bottom line is you got your mouth shut by everyone here because they know far more than you and now this news has just left all your threads and arguments deflated. Don't try to act like you never hyped the 720 to death

seanmcloughlin

Only based on the assumptions that will be like 360 case, which if this rumor is true is not

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

What happened to your precious 720 predictions of having Avatar like visuals or the Samaritan demo in real time?

Bottom line is you got your mouth shut by everyone here because they know far more than you and now this news has just left all your threads and arguments deflated. Don't try to act like you never hyped the 720 to death

loosingENDS

Only based on the assumptions that will be like 360 case, which if this rumor is true is not

Please don't come to PC :|

Judging by your threads and responses over the past week you are not suited for it

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Not buying the next Xbox.

loosingENDS

If it is that weak probably me too

I will wait for xbox 1080 and game on PC/PS4/WiiU in the mean time

It's not that's it weak. I don't care about the power of the system too much, as long as the games are good and they practice good business. Microsoft does a lot of stuff I don't agree with, and Kinect is gonna be front and center on that console.

It's not that's it weak. I don't care about the power of the system too much, as long as the games are good and they practice good business. Microsoft does a lot of stuff I don't agree with, and Kinect is gonna be front and center on that console.

dream431ca

The thing is that 360 holds very well comparing to PC today

720 graphics seems will be ancient by late 2014, so will be nothing like 360 was this generation

Also Fable is usually going to PC, so if 720 does not have any exlusive Fable games and beeing so weak, will give me little reason to consider it

Please don't come to PC :|

Judging by your threads and responses over the past week you are not suited for it

seanmcloughlin

I am a PC gamer for like 25 years more than xbox 360 gamer

Returning to PC would be natural to me, if consoles cant cover me

[QUOTE="glez13"]

I just realized that maybe it is true that PC is currently one gen ahead. :lol:

BPoole96

Hardware wise it easily is. This is a 6670 in comparison to a 6950 2GB.

I have 2 6950s, which aren't even the highest end cards out right now

Look at that TDP!

That's probably why their going with the 6670. It runs at a measly 63 watts.

What worries me is Tessellaiton performance on that thing. IS it any good?

I was really looking forward at a next gen with fully tessellated LOD engines!!! DAAAAMMMNNN ITTT!!!

Hmmm...if this is true then I will only have to own the WiiU. 20 percent difference shouldn't be a big deal for multiplats. Interesting.

So pretty much next generation consoles still means they will be incapable of running games at native 1080p at 60fps.

Nice!!

Hmmm...if this is true then I will only have to own the WiiU. 20 percent difference shouldn't be a big deal for multiplats. Interesting.

Kingpin0114

Indeed, if 720 turns out so weak, a good PC and a WiiU will be the best combo

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="glez13"]

I just realized that maybe it is true that PC is currently one gen ahead. :lol:

Kinthalis

Hardware wise it easily is. This is a 6670 in comparison to a 6950 2GB.

I have 2 6950s, which aren't even the highest end cards out right now

Look at that TDP!

That's probably why their going with the 6670. It runs at a measly 63 watts.

What worries me is Tessellaiton performance on that thing. IS it any good?

I was really looking forward at a next gen with fully tessellated LOD engines!!! DAAAAMMMNNN ITTT!!!

I'm sure Tessellation will be in some next gen console games.

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...along with sub-HD resolution and 30fps.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Only based on the assumptions that will be like 360 case, which if this rumor is true is not

loosingENDS

Please don't come to PC :|

Judging by your threads and responses over the past week you are not suited for it

I am a PC gamer for like 25 years more than xbox 360 gamer

Returning to PC would be natural to me, if consoles cant cover me

So pretty much next generation consoles still means they will be incapable of running games at native 1080p at 60fps.

Nice!!

rschauby

I wonder if they can even sustain 1080p in 30 fps while pushing the games graphically.

We will probably end up with lots of 720p 30 fps games, but more scope, poly count, detail.

I want my Zelda in 720p 60 fps though.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Hardware wise it easily is. This is a 6670 in comparison to a 6950 2GB.

I have 2 6950s, which aren't even the highest end cards out right now

Assassin_87

Look at that TDP!

That's probably why their going with the 6670. It runs at a measly 63 watts.

What worries me is Tessellaiton performance on that thing. IS it any good?

I was really looking forward at a next gen with fully tessellated LOD engines!!! DAAAAMMMNNN ITTT!!!

I'm sure Tessellation will be in some next gen console games.

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...along with sub-HD resolution and 30fps.

In 2013 (expected release) there is absolutely no excuse to have sub HD resolutions in a game.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

What happened to your precious 720 predictions of having Avatar like visuals or the Samaritan demo in real time?

Bottom line is you got your mouth shut by everyone here because they know far more than you and now this news has just left all your threads and arguments deflated. Don't try to act like you never hyped the 720 to death

seanmcloughlin

Only based on the assumptions that will be like 360 case, which if this rumor is true is not

Please don't come to PC :|

Judging by your threads and responses over the past week you are not suited for it

So pretty much next generation consoles still means they will be incapable of running games at native 1080p at 60fps.

Nice!!

rschauby

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Please don't come to PC :|

Judging by your threads and responses over the past week you are not suited for it

04dcarraher

I am a PC gamer for like 25 years more than xbox 360 gamer

Returning to PC would be natural to me, if consoles cant cover me

Exactly. He's so full of sh!t

Praises 360 and 720 the whole time. Has a PS3 in his sig and says he has been a PC gamer for 25 years.

Not to mention at that age he should have more common sense anyway and talk better and have a sense of maturity about himself. Everything about him screams bull Sh!t

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Only based on the assumptions that will be like 360 case, which if this rumor is true is not

silversix_

Please don't come to PC :|

Judging by your threads and responses over the past week you are not suited for it

Yeah he seems like the kind of person stupid enough to buy them alright :P