IGN: Why does 360 lose exclusives?

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

The PS3 and 360 are virtually even in terms of exclusives, critical acclaim and the 360 has more games than the PS3 including many more games shared with the PC that the PS3 doesn't have.

Now fanboys may be in denial about it but the Xbox 360 is just as good if not better than the PS3 as a games console this generation. :D

The_Game21x

You're not very good at reading comprehension are you?

I didn't say the 360 had more critical acclaim, just that the PS3 and 360 are virtually even in terms of overall critical acclaim. Look it up if you don't believe me. Having a whole 2 or 3 games that are rated higher than 360 exclusives isn't much.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Which isn't true but let's just contirbute to the spread of the misconception anyway! :D

The_Game21x

If you're blind and missed the post a few pages ago which listed all of Microsoft's first party studios.

But I'd expect that coming from you. :)

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] xbox360 have more critical acclaim exclusives games that only on xbox360 ??? like what ??? what games they have with 96% meta or last year what xbox games that beat uncharted 3 with 92% meta ??!! i will wait shadiezz2012

You're not very good at reading comprehension are you?

I didn't say the 360 had more critical acclaim, just that the PS3 and 360 are virtually even in terms of overall critical acclaim. Look it up if you don't believe me. Having a whole 2 or 3 games that are rated higher than 360 exclusives isn't much.

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Okay...I'm going to try to decipher what you mean there...

You're saying if the PS3 has one or two more games that are more critically acclaimed that they're not even? If that is indeed what you're saying, once again I must point you to the value of reading comprehension because I didn't say they were even, I said they were virtually even.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] yes literally noneTintedEyes

If you're blind and missed the post a few pages ago which listed all of Microsoft's first party studios.

But I'd expect that coming from you. :)

You said literally none. Even if there was just one, you'd be wrong.

Math isn't that hard, is it?

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"] check the sig above your post. this is the sh!t you dont see on a 360. notice how its not just point and shoot, notice how its real time action and not a cutscene, notice how the action changes in uncharted dynamically in different ways with different moving environments, this is the PS3.

shadiezz2012

TLOU does look amazing. So do Uncharted 3, Gears 3, Halo 4, Crysis 2 and 3.

Lets be honest here. If TLOU wasnt a PS3 exclusive, no one would be praising its graphics.

Its not something i cant accept, its something i dont see. Note that only cows seem to think PS3 exclusives have their own standards, when in real world, many 360 and PS3 games have been praised for their graphics. Didnt DF say Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen (despite the fact Uncharted 2, GoW3, KZ2 and other PS3 exclusives were already out)? Didnt the console version of Crysis 2 win dozens of graphics awards? Isnt RDR one of the best looking open world games on the market?

Man, in fact, its not easy to see a physical tech difference between the best looking console games, its not that simple! Different art directions, different scales, different levels of polish, etc... On the top of that, no one can deny that most Sony firs parties are incredibly talented!

I dont think lems are having a problem accepting reality. Lems got a console with almost no hype on graphics and, surprisingly this late in the gan, its games still look good. PS3 games also look great, but according to its early hype, they were supposed to look better.

7 years into the gen and exclusives are still close, multiplats still look the same, even PS3 and 360 hardware seems close (both have limitations). Why is it so stupid to think both platforms are close?

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

If you're blind and missed the post a few pages ago which listed all of Microsoft's first party studios.

But I'd expect that coming from you. :)

The_Game21x

You said literally none. Even if there was just one, you'd be wrong.

Math isn't that hard, is it?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] lol "struggles" ?!:lol: you mean because those multiplat games get ported from xbox to ps3 they do not make the game on ps3 they just port it easy work for them that's why exclusives are the one's that show what ps3 can do you guys make me laughshadiezz2012

I think both of you are wrong. There are a few cases where there is a difference, but really the rest of the time it's always the same. You cannot tell the difference between a PS3 port and a 360 port the vast majority of the time, they look and play identical.

I don't know why people can't admit this, it's the truth. 360 guys are usually the one's who have a problem admitting this, but there are a few cows out there that do it too. The argument that 360 has better multiplats is extreamely weak and overexaggerated.

In my honest opinion I think lems do it because they know they don't have any games that look as good as Uncharted or God of War or KZ etc...so they overexaggerate multiplats as a way to cope with it.

It's just one of they many, many ways people try to justify their purchase. AKA Buyers Remorse.

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="kidsareAjoke"]if microsoft continued perfect dark series made perfect dark zero 2 be another exclusive besides JUST HALO. of course microsoft **** up that chance.cainetao11

A great post! :)

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] [QUOTE="PAL360"]

TLOU does look amazing. So do Uncharted 3, Gears 3, Halo 4, Crysis 2 and 3.

Lets be honest here. If TLOU wasnt a PS3 exclusive, no one would be praising its graphics.

PAL360

Its not something i cant accept, its something i dont see. Note that only cows seem to think PS3 exclusives have their own standards, when in real world, many 360 and PS3 games have been praised for their graphics. Didnt DF say Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen (despite the fact Uncharted 2, GoW3, KZ2 and other PS3 exclusives were already out)? Didnt the console version of Crysis 2 win dozens of graphics awards? Isnt RDR one of the best looking open world games on the market?

Man, in fact, its not easy to see a physical tech difference between the best looking console games, its not that simple! Different art directions, different scales, different levels of polish, etc... On the top of that, no one can deny that most Sony firs parties are incredibly talented!

I dont think lems are having a problem accepting reality. Lems got a console with almost no hype on graphics and, surprisingly this late in the gan, its games still look good. PS3 games also look great, but according to its early hype, they were supposed to look better.

7 years into the gen and exclusives are still close, multiplats still look the same, even PS3 and 360 hardware seems close (both have limitations). Why is it so stupid to think both platforms are close?

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

You're not very good at reading comprehension are you?

I didn't say the 360 had more critical acclaim, just that the PS3 and 360 are virtually even in terms of overall critical acclaim. Look it up if you don't believe me. Having a whole 2 or 3 games that are rated higher than 360 exclusives isn't much.

The_Game21x

...

Okay...I'm going to try to decipher what you mean there...

You're saying if the PS3 has one or two more games that are more critically acclaimed that they're not even? If that is indeed what you're saying, once again I must point you to the value of reading comprehension because I didn't say they were even, I said they were virtually even.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] i think the only xbox360 owner here that know what he talk about is delta3074 and yes ps3 is more powerfull i don't understand why it's hard for you to get it ??!! http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/15895/ps3-fundamentally-more-powerful-than-xbox-360-more-potential-for-longevity they hold much more water than you since their games end up winning gfx awards and goty awards and lol are saying that TLOU look the same as gears 3 and crysis 2(consoles) and halo 4 ??? they do look very good only a blind fool will say they don't but they are not on the same level of GOW3/Uc3/KZ3/TLOU just accept it man shadiezz2012

Its not something i cant accept, its something i dont see. Note that only cows seem to think PS3 exclusives have their own standards, when in real world, many 360 and PS3 games have been praised for their graphics. Didnt DF say Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen (despite the fact Uncharted 2, GoW3, KZ2 and other PS3 exclusives were already out)? Didnt the console version of Crysis 2 win dozens of graphics awards? Isnt RDR one of the best looking open world games on the market?

Man, in fact, its not easy to see a physical tech difference between the best looking console games, its not that simple! Different art directions, different scales, different levels of polish, etc... On the top of that, no one can deny that most Sony firs parties are incredibly talented!

I dont think lems are having a problem accepting reality. Lems got a console with almost no hype on graphics and, surprisingly this late in the gan, its games still look good. PS3 games also look great, but according to its early hype, they were supposed to look better.

7 years into the gen and exclusives are still close, multiplats still look the same, even PS3 and 360 hardware seems close (both have limitations). Why is it so stupid to think both platforms are close?

Just show him this: Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

He can't accept this though because it would make him feel insecure about his system. He has to try and convince himself that his games look as good as UC, God of War, KZ etc....but everyone knows that this is not true.

He also over exaggerates mulitplats like most of the lems do.

In my honest opinion I think lems do it because they know they don't have any games that look as good as Uncharted or God of War or KZ etc...so they overexaggerate multiplats as a way to cope with it.

It's just one of they many, many ways people try to justify their purchase. AKA Buyers Remorse.

ShadowMoses900

Hey, isn't that the exact thing you're doing all the time with Black Ops 2?

PS3 has no exclusive this year to match Halo 4, so you overexaggerate BO2 as a way to cope with that fact, constantly putting it above Halo.

The funniest thing about all that is, CoD plays worst on the PS3, since the engine is built around the 360! ;)

Here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-modern-warfare-2-face-off?page=3

"However, for those that haven't made up their minds, it's fairly easy to say that while both renditions of the game are well worthy of the Eurogamer 9/10 score, the Xbox 360's marginally superior visuals and significantly smoother performance gives it an undoubted edge over the PlayStation 3 game, and this translates directly into a tangibly better gameplay experience. "

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-call-of-duty-black-ops-faceoff?page=3

"For those with both consoles, the choice of where you spend the majority of your online gaming time must be factored into any purchasing decision - as was the case with Modern Warfare 2 before it. However, from a technical perspective, there's little doubt that the Xbox 360 offers the better experience: superior image definition, and a pleasingly smoother run of play."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-face-off-modern-warfare-3

"However, in terms of the console comparisons, it's fairly obvious that the underlying Infinity Ward technology favours the Xbox 360 architecture and in terms of both image quality and performance, it's the Microsoft platform that is the recommended buy - unless you prefer gaming on PSN of course."

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

In my honest opinion I think lems do it because they know they don't have any games that look as good as Uncharted or God of War or KZ etc...so they overexaggerate multiplats as a way to cope with it.

It's just one of they many, many ways people try to justify their purchase. AKA Buyers Remorse.

Rocker6

Hey, isn't that the exact thing you're doing all the time with Black Ops 2?

PS3 has no exclusive this year to match Halo 4, so you overexaggerate BO2 as a way to cope with that fact, constantly putting it above Halo.

The funniest thing about all that is, CoD plays worst on the PS3, since the engine is built around the 360! ;)

Here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-modern-warfare-2-face-off?page=3

"However, for those that haven't made up their minds, it's fairly easy to say that while both renditions of the game are well worthy of the Eurogamer 9/10 score, the Xbox 360's marginally superior visuals and significantly smoother performance gives it an undoubted edge over the PlayStation 3 game, and this translates directly into a tangibly better gameplay experience. "

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-call-of-duty-black-ops-faceoff?page=3

"For those with both consoles, the choice of where you spend the majority of your online gaming time must be factored into any purchasing decision - as was the case with Modern Warfare 2 before it. However, from a technical perspective, there's little doubt that the Xbox 360 offers the better experience: superior image definition, and a pleasingly smoother run of play."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-face-off-modern-warfare-3

"However, in terms of the console comparisons, it's fairly obvious that the underlying Infinity Ward technology favours the Xbox 360 architecture and in terms of both image quality and performance, it's the Microsoft platform that is the recommended buy - unless you prefer gaming on PSN of course."

Black Ops 2 has been my go to game since it was announced. I don't care if it's a mulitplat, I don't really care if any game is a multiplat. I also liked Twisted Metal and Journey, and I am looking forward to LBP Karting and All Stars, I like these games more than Halo. That is a matter of opinion but to me these are the games that interest me.

And regardless of what DF/Lens of Truth articles you post, I don't see a difference in the two versions of the games. And honestly, I doubt anyone else does either.

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Its not something i cant accept, its something i dont see. Note that only cows seem to think PS3 exclusives have their own standards, when in real world, many 360 and PS3 games have been praised for their graphics. Didnt DF say Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen (despite the fact Uncharted 2, GoW3, KZ2 and other PS3 exclusives were already out)? Didnt the console version of Crysis 2 win dozens of graphics awards? Isnt RDR one of the best looking open world games on the market?

Man, in fact, its not easy to see a physical tech difference between the best looking console games, its not that simple! Different art directions, different scales, different levels of polish, etc... On the top of that, no one can deny that most Sony firs parties are incredibly talented!

I dont think lems are having a problem accepting reality. Lems got a console with almost no hype on graphics and, surprisingly this late in the gan, its games still look good. PS3 games also look great, but according to its early hype, they were supposed to look better.

7 years into the gen and exclusives are still close, multiplats still look the same, even PS3 and 360 hardware seems close (both have limitations). Why is it so stupid to think both platforms are close?

ShadowMoses900

Just show him this: Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

He can't accept this though because it would make him feel insecure about his system. He has to try and convince himself that his games look as good as UC, God of War, KZ etc....but everyone knows that this is not true.

He also over exaggerates mulitplats like most of the lems do.

this is very interisting "

Xbox 360

PS3

512 MB GDDR3 RAM (shared with GPU) 256 MB XDR RAM 700 MHz speed 3.2 GHz speed 22.4 Gbps bandwidth 25.6 Gbps bandwidth

The verdict: Once again, the Xbox's total amount of RAM is slightly misleading, as the system RAM and video RAM are shared. The PS3's XDR RAM is also far more fast and efficient than the Xbox's GDDR3 RAM, running at a speed of 3.2 GHz compared to 700 MHz. Final bandwidth numbers prove PS3 is the victor in this category. "

http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/08/26/xbox-360-vs-playstation-3-the-hardware-throwdown

i never know that.. so ps3 do have a better ram

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] lol dude some of what you said are just plain wrong first of all no ... crysis2 the console version didn't win any gfx awards last year aside from one and that was for pc here in GS almost every known site give uncharted 3 the gfx awards .. plz don't make me list them again i showed them to you before 2/ DF is just one site ..not the whole internet and yet they said that uncharted 3 Where Uncharted 3 "is peerless and unparalleled is in its ability to defy the technological constraints of current-generation platforms, which raises an interesting question about whether ideas are the real premium now over and above the technological arms race that has powered current-gen console game development" and know they are saying that the last of us look even better http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-analysis-the-last-of-us and what gears 3 won last year ??? where are the reviews that say it's even the best looking game on xbox360 ?? in fact when was the last time xbox360 exclusive won any gfx awards at all since 2007 ?? 3/ RDR is not the best looking open world game that's your opinion ... mine would be infamous 2 on consoles and skyrim with enb mods on pc even in RDR year ..god of war 3 won the gfx awards even won one from here you are not stupid nor i said they are not close but ps3 have more power plz look into the link i give you shadiezz2012

Just show him this: Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

He can't accept this though because it would make him feel insecure about his system. He has to try and convince himself that his games look as good as UC, God of War, KZ etc....but everyone knows that this is not true.

He also over exaggerates mulitplats like most of the lems do.

I don't insult people either. It is stupid to insult people online, especially over video games, users that do have insecurities and lack maturity.

The reason why they go "lol IGN" is because they are listening to their emotions. "My emotions are greater than my logic". This is what it boils down to.

this is very interisting " 512 MB GDDR3 RAM (shared with GPU) 256 MB XDR RAM 700 MHz speed 3.2 GHz speed 22.4 Gbps bandwidth 25.6 Gbps bandwidth The verdict: Once again, the Xbox's total amount of RAM is slightly misleading, as the system RAM and video RAM are shared. The PS3's XDR RAM is also far more fast and efficient than the Xbox's GDDR3 RAM, running at a speed of 3.2 GHz compared to 700 MHz. Final bandwidth numbers prove PS3 is the victor in this category. " http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/08/26/xbox-360-vs-playstation-3-the-hardware-throwdown i never know that shadiezz2012

You never knew that because it's a botched comparison...

If you wish to stay properly informed, keep not knowing it!

When it comes to RAM, 360 is the winner, unified RAM is a more elegant design, plus there is a fact how 360 has more usable RAM due to a lower OS memory footprint, which leaves more RAM space for the developers...

In any case, Skyrim is the best proof of the above, the infamous frame rate issues on the PS3 and the problems with getting Dawnguard to run are RAM related...

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] i think the only xbox360 owner here that know what he talk about is delta3074 and yes ps3 is more powerfull i don't understand why it's hard for you to get it ??!! http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/15895/ps3-fundamentally-more-powerful-than-xbox-360-more-potential-for-longevity they hold much more water than you since their games end up winning gfx awards and goty awards and lol are saying that TLOU look the same as gears 3 and crysis 2(consoles) and halo 4 ??? they do look very good only a blind fool will say they don't but they are not on the same level of GOW3/Uc3/KZ3/TLOU just accept it man shadiezz2012

Its not something i cant accept, its something i dont see. Note that only cows seem to think PS3 exclusives have their own standards, when in real world, many 360 and PS3 games have been praised for their graphics. Didnt DF say Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen (despite the fact Uncharted 2, GoW3, KZ2 and other PS3 exclusives were already out)? Didnt the console version of Crysis 2 win dozens of graphics awards? Isnt RDR one of the best looking open world games on the market?

Man, in fact, its not easy to see a physical tech difference between the best looking console games, its not that simple! Different art directions, different scales, different levels of polish, etc... On the top of that, no one can deny that most Sony firs parties are incredibly talented!

I dont think lems are having a problem accepting reality. Lems got a console with almost no hype on graphics and, surprisingly this late in the gan, its games still look good. PS3 games also look great, but according to its early hype, they were supposed to look better.

7 years into the gen and exclusives are still close, multiplats still look the same, even PS3 and 360 hardware seems close (both have limitations). Why is it so stupid to think both platforms are close?

I did read the link, just dont get how is the ND´s lead programmer so experienced with 360´s hardware :| I agree, though, that someone who is focusing on a single platform has a lot better chance of really pushing the hardware, but im sure it works for every platform. Gears of War 1 looks great and every one claimed that no other 360 game could surpass it. Well, Gears 2 came with better graphics and proved them wrong. Gears 3 proved wrong, again. Epic, (and Turn10) is one of the few devs who knows how to take advantage of 360 hardware. Just like ND with PS3.

That said, i do believe PS3 may be slightly more powerful on paper. In practice, i dont see it producting better results (at least nothing i have seen so far).

Like i said both consoles have limitations and its a known fact PS3 doesnt have the best hardware design. The cell would probably be amazing, if there was more Ram available, but unfortunatly there isnt. Take Skyrim and its DLCs as example. they are too RAM demanding for PS3´s hardware.

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Its not something i cant accept, its something i dont see. Note that only cows seem to think PS3 exclusives have their own standards, when in real world, many 360 and PS3 games have been praised for their graphics. Didnt DF say Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen (despite the fact Uncharted 2, GoW3, KZ2 and other PS3 exclusives were already out)? Didnt the console version of Crysis 2 win dozens of graphics awards? Isnt RDR one of the best looking open world games on the market?

Man, in fact, its not easy to see a physical tech difference between the best looking console games, its not that simple! Different art directions, different scales, different levels of polish, etc... On the top of that, no one can deny that most Sony firs parties are incredibly talented!

I dont think lems are having a problem accepting reality. Lems got a console with almost no hype on graphics and, surprisingly this late in the gan, its games still look good. PS3 games also look great, but according to its early hype, they were supposed to look better.

7 years into the gen and exclusives are still close, multiplats still look the same, even PS3 and 360 hardware seems close (both have limitations). Why is it so stupid to think both platforms are close?

ShadowMoses900

Just show him this: Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

He can't accept this though because it would make him feel insecure about his system. He has to try and convince himself that his games look as good as UC, God of War, KZ etc....but everyone knows that this is not true.

He also over exaggerates mulitplats like most of the lems do.

Dude, grown men are having a conversation here. Go play your high end super computer..err, i mean PS3 :P

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Someone got owned, and now is trying to hide behind the funnies.Stevo_the_gamer

Black Ops 2 has been my go to game since it was announced. I don't care if it's a mulitplat, I don't really care if any game is a multiplat. I also liked Twisted Metal and Journey, and I am looking forward to LBP Karting and All Stars, I like these games more than Halo. That is a matter of opinion but to me these are the games that interest me.

And regardless of what DF/Lens of Truth articles you post, I don't see a difference in the two versions of the games. And honestly, I doubt anyone else does either.

ShadowMoses900

I don't care what you see or don't see, fact of the matter is, there are differences, and if I remember correctly, PS3 version of Black Ops had plenty of acknowledged issues, and needed lots of patches to work right...

In the meantime, enjoy hyping BO2 if it helps you cope with Halo 4, I'm sure things will get better next year when you will finally be able to forget all about CoD, and focus on claiming lem ownages with new GoW and TLoU... ;)

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]this is very interisting " 512 MB GDDR3 RAM (shared with GPU) 256 MB XDR RAM 700 MHz speed 3.2 GHz speed 22.4 Gbps bandwidth 25.6 Gbps bandwidth The verdict: Once again, the Xbox's total amount of RAM is slightly misleading, as the system RAM and video RAM are shared. The PS3's XDR RAM is also far more fast and efficient than the Xbox's GDDR3 RAM, running at a speed of 3.2 GHz compared to 700 MHz. Final bandwidth numbers prove PS3 is the victor in this category. " http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/08/26/xbox-360-vs-playstation-3-the-hardware-throwdown i never know that Rocker6

You never knew that because it's a botched comparison...

If you wish to stay properly informed, keep not knowing it!

When it comes to RAM, 360 is the winner, unified RAM is a more elegant design, plus there is a fact how 360 has more usable RAM due to a lower OS memory footprint, which leaves more RAM space for the developers...

In any case, Skyrim is the best proof of the above, the infamous frame rate issues on the PS3 and the problems with getting Dawnguard to run are RAM related...

PS3 actually has superior RAM. Bethesda are just untalnted devs.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

And Skyrim does not have frame rate issues on PS3 anymore. It's not a broken game like fanboys think. I have almost 90% of the trophies on Skyrim, I have done all the guilds, the main quest, destroyed the Storm Cloaks, and have well over 150 hours in the game.

Explain how I managed to do this with supposedly a "broken game"?

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]this is very interisting " 512 MB GDDR3 RAM (shared with GPU) 256 MB XDR RAM 700 MHz speed 3.2 GHz speed 22.4 Gbps bandwidth 25.6 Gbps bandwidth The verdict: Once again, the Xbox's total amount of RAM is slightly misleading, as the system RAM and video RAM are shared. The PS3's XDR RAM is also far more fast and efficient than the Xbox's GDDR3 RAM, running at a speed of 3.2 GHz compared to 700 MHz. Final bandwidth numbers prove PS3 is the victor in this category. " http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/08/26/xbox-360-vs-playstation-3-the-hardware-throwdown i never know that Rocker6

You never knew that because it's a botched comparison...

If you wish to stay properly informed, keep not knowing it!

When it comes to RAM, 360 is the winner, unified RAM is a more elegant design, plus there is a fact how 360 has more usable RAM due to a lower OS memory footprint, which leaves more RAM space for the developers...

In any case, Skyrim is the best proof of the above, nearly all of its infamous bugs on the PS3 and the problems with getting Dawnguard to run are RAM related...

Yes laugh at something instead of giving it a response because you can't debunk it. You are using the same logic as people who dismiss evolution, they often say "lol evolution" as a means to dismiss it because they can't argue against it.

TheGuardian03

The strain came from over priced system, if PS3 was the same price as 360 at launch it would have been a different story. Sony's stratgey seems to be pretty solid, it is neck and neck with the 360 after all despite it's bad early years.

MS has a good strategy too, but that is not the point. The point is you should ask a question, what strategy do you as a gamer prefer? MS or Sony? Not saying either answer is wrong, it's just a preference.

And it is not an article it is a video. I don't think you even clicked the link.... :(

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]this is very interisting " 512 MB GDDR3 RAM (shared with GPU) 256 MB XDR RAM 700 MHz speed 3.2 GHz speed 22.4 Gbps bandwidth 25.6 Gbps bandwidth The verdict: Once again, the Xbox's total amount of RAM is slightly misleading, as the system RAM and video RAM are shared. The PS3's XDR RAM is also far more fast and efficient than the Xbox's GDDR3 RAM, running at a speed of 3.2 GHz compared to 700 MHz. Final bandwidth numbers prove PS3 is the victor in this category. " http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/08/26/xbox-360-vs-playstation-3-the-hardware-throwdown i never know that ShadowMoses900

You never knew that because it's a botched comparison...

If you wish to stay properly informed, keep not knowing it!

When it comes to RAM, 360 is the winner, unified RAM is a more elegant design, plus there is a fact how 360 has more usable RAM due to a lower OS memory footprint, which leaves more RAM space for the developers...

In any case, Skyrim is the best proof of the above, the infamous frame rate issues on the PS3 and the problems with getting Dawnguard to run are RAM related...

PS3 actually has superior RAM. Bethesda are just untalnted devs.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

And Skyrim does not have frame rate issues on PS3 anymore. It's not a broken game like fanboys think. I have almost 90% of the trophies on Skyrim, I have done all the guilds, the main quest, destroyed the Storm Cloaks, and have well over 150 hours in the game.

Explain how I managed to do this with supposedly a "broken game"?

Oh, and enjoy Dawnguard! ;)

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Its not something i cant accept, its something i dont see. Note that only cows seem to think PS3 exclusives have their own standards, when in real world, many 360 and PS3 games have been praised for their graphics. Didnt DF say Gears 3 was one of the most advanced games this gen (despite the fact Uncharted 2, GoW3, KZ2 and other PS3 exclusives were already out)? Didnt the console version of Crysis 2 win dozens of graphics awards? Isnt RDR one of the best looking open world games on the market?

Man, in fact, its not easy to see a physical tech difference between the best looking console games, its not that simple! Different art directions, different scales, different levels of polish, etc... On the top of that, no one can deny that most Sony firs parties are incredibly talented!

I dont think lems are having a problem accepting reality. Lems got a console with almost no hype on graphics and, surprisingly this late in the gan, its games still look good. PS3 games also look great, but according to its early hype, they were supposed to look better.

7 years into the gen and exclusives are still close, multiplats still look the same, even PS3 and 360 hardware seems close (both have limitations). Why is it so stupid to think both platforms are close?

PAL360

I did read the link, just dont get how is the ND´s lead programmer so experienced with 360´s hardware :| I agree, though, that someone who is focusing on a single platform has a lot better chance of really pushing the hardware, but im sure it works for every platform. Gears of War 1 looks great and every one claimed that no other 360 game could surpass it. Well, Gears 2 came with better graphics and proved them wrong. Gears 3 proved wrong, again. Epic, (and Turn10) is one of the few devs who knows how to take advantage of 360 hardware. Just like ND with PS3.

That said, i do believe PS3 may be slightly more powerful on paper. In practice, i dont see it producting better results (at least nothing i have seen so far).

Like i said both consoles have limitations and its a known fact PS3 doesnt have the best hardware design. The cell would probably be amazing, if there was more Ram available, but unfortunatly there isnt. Take Skyrim and its DLCs as example. they are too RAM demanding for PS3´s hardware.

again you give not one single prove why that is wrong "as the system RAM and video RAM are shared. The PS3's XDR RAM is also far more fast and efficient than the Xbox's GDDR3 RAM, running at a speed of 3.2 GHz compared to 700 MHz. Final bandwidth numbers prove PS3 is the victor in this category." what's wrong here ??? as for skyrim i didn't have the ps3 version i only have pc version and i have found sooooooooooooooooooooo many bugs on it .. that's make me sure it had nothing to do with ps3 ram it's Bugtheseda fault all the way like the bug with the moth preist in their latest dlc dawngaurd ... i had to do console script to the Quest and that is one of the many many bugs i found in their games and all of them are pc version by the way shadiezz2012

About Skyrim, I was referencing the specific issue of frame rate drops caused by large save files on the PS3, which is directly related to the lack of RAM...

Dawnguard can't run on the PS3 because it would inflate the save files even further...

As I said, 360 has more usable RAM due to a smaller OS footprint, a thing that counts when you have only 512 MB to work with...

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Black Ops 2 has been my go to game since it was announced. I don't care if it's a mulitplat, I don't really care if any game is a multiplat. I also liked Twisted Metal and Journey, and I am looking forward to LBP Karting and All Stars, I like these games more than Halo. That is a matter of opinion but to me these are the games that interest me.

And regardless of what DF/Lens of Truth articles you post, I don't see a difference in the two versions of the games. And honestly, I doubt anyone else does either.

Rocker6

I don't care what you see or don't see, fact of the matter is, there are differences, and if I remember correctly, PS3 version of Black Ops had plenty of acknowledged issues, and needed lots of patches to work right...

In the meantime, enjoy hyping BO2 if it helps you cope with Halo 4, I'm sure things will get better next year when you will finally be able to forget all about CoD, and focus on claiming lem ownages with new GoW and TLoU... ;)

I don't see differnces so I don't care. I don't even think they exist to be honest. Call of Duty: Black Ops PS3 vs. 360 Comparison [HD]

If you say you see a difference then your lying. This is why fanboys that use the "better multiplats" argument have no merit, it is extreamely weak and says nothing about the hardware of a system. And quite frankly, arguing about multiplats is such a stupid waste of time (well SW it's self is a stupid waste of time).

The guys at Machinima explain why: Call of Duty: Black Ops: PS3 vs. Xbox 360 is Stupid by Machinima (BO Gameplay/Commentary)

I hope Halo 4 is awesome. I could get the game if I wanted to but I'm not much of a Halo fan anymore, Black Ops 2 has me really excited, it has so many new things and even some sand box gameplay. The zombies is great too but the campaign is going to allow multiple endings and player choice, I'm ver excited for it.

I don't care about "lem ownage", that's just immature and stupid. I hate fanboy BS. 360 owners are just as good as PS3 gamers, we just have different opinions on what system is better.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

You never knew that because it's a botched comparison...

If you wish to stay properly informed, keep not knowing it!

When it comes to RAM, 360 is the winner, unified RAM is a more elegant design, plus there is a fact how 360 has more usable RAM due to a lower OS memory footprint, which leaves more RAM space for the developers...

In any case, Skyrim is the best proof of the above, the infamous frame rate issues on the PS3 and the problems with getting Dawnguard to run are RAM related...

Rocker6

PS3 actually has superior RAM. Bethesda are just untalnted devs.

Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3: The Hardware Throwdown - IGN

And Skyrim does not have frame rate issues on PS3 anymore. It's not a broken game like fanboys think. I have almost 90% of the trophies on Skyrim, I have done all the guilds, the main quest, destroyed the Storm Cloaks, and have well over 150 hours in the game.

Explain how I managed to do this with supposedly a "broken game"?

Oh, and enjoy Dawnguard! ;)

no its true, it was a joke he took too seriouslyTintedEyes

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Black Ops 2 has been my go to game since it was announced. I don't care if it's a mulitplat, I don't really care if any game is a multiplat. I also liked Twisted Metal and Journey, and I am looking forward to LBP Karting and All Stars, I like these games more than Halo. That is a matter of opinion but to me these are the games that interest me.

And regardless of what DF/Lens of Truth articles you post, I don't see a difference in the two versions of the games. And honestly, I doubt anyone else does either.

ShadowMoses900

I don't care what you see or don't see, fact of the matter is, there are differences, and if I remember correctly, PS3 version of Black Ops had plenty of acknowledged issues, and needed lots of patches to work right...

In the meantime, enjoy hyping BO2 if it helps you cope with Halo 4, I'm sure things will get better next year when you will finally be able to forget all about CoD, and focus on claiming lem ownages with new GoW and TLoU... ;)

I don't see differnces so I don't care. I don't even think they exist to be honest. Call of Duty: Black Ops PS3 vs. 360 Comparison [HD]

If you say you see a difference then your lying. This is why fanboys that use the "better multiplats" argument have no merit, it is extreamely weak and says nothing about the hardware of a system. And quite frankly, arguing about multiplats is such a stupid waste of time (well SW it's self is a stupid waste of time).

The guys at Machinima explain why: Call of Duty: Black Ops: PS3 vs. Xbox 360 is Stupid by Machinima (BO Gameplay/Commentary)

I hope Halo 4 is awesome. I could get the game if I wanted to but I'm not much of a Halo fan anymore, Black Ops 2 has me really excited, it has so many new things and even some sand box gameplay. The zombies is great too but the campaign is going to allow multiple endings and player choice, I'm ver excited for it.

No worries, I'm not a lem, when talking to me, you're free to drop the BO2 hype act. Save it for real lems, and for Halo 4 related threads... ;)

As for your comparison, watch it in 720p + fullscreen...

It's as clear as day how PS3 version looks signifficantly more washed out and blurry. Then there is also the matter of reported performance issues on the PS3, though you can't see those in your linked vid. Still, doesn't change the fact they exist...

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]no its true, it was a joke he took too seriouslyStevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I don't care what you see or don't see, fact of the matter is, there are differences, and if I remember correctly, PS3 version of Black Ops had plenty of acknowledged issues, and needed lots of patches to work right...

In the meantime, enjoy hyping BO2 if it helps you cope with Halo 4, I'm sure things will get better next year when you will finally be able to forget all about CoD, and focus on claiming lem ownages with new GoW and TLoU... ;)

Rocker6

I don't see differnces so I don't care. I don't even think they exist to be honest. Call of Duty: Black Ops PS3 vs. 360 Comparison [HD]

If you say you see a difference then your lying. This is why fanboys that use the "better multiplats" argument have no merit, it is extreamely weak and says nothing about the hardware of a system. And quite frankly, arguing about multiplats is such a stupid waste of time (well SW it's self is a stupid waste of time).

The guys at Machinima explain why: Call of Duty: Black Ops: PS3 vs. Xbox 360 is Stupid by Machinima (BO Gameplay/Commentary)

I hope Halo 4 is awesome. I could get the game if I wanted to but I'm not much of a Halo fan anymore, Black Ops 2 has me really excited, it has so many new things and even some sand box gameplay. The zombies is great too but the campaign is going to allow multiple endings and player choice, I'm ver excited for it.

No worries, I'm not a lem, when talking to me, you're free to drop the BO2 hype act. Save it for real lems, and for Halo 4 related threads... ;)

As for your comparison, watch it in 720p + fullscreen...

It's as clear as day how PS3 version looks signifficantly more washed out and blurry. Then there is also the matter of reported performance issues on the PS3, though you can't see those in your linked vid. Still, doesn't change the fact they exist...

I don't care about owning lems, that's just fanboy BS. 360 gamers are just as good as PS3 gamers, we just have a different preference.

And despite your attempts at damage control or trying to troll me (which does not work), I cannot see a difference in the two versions. And neither do you and you know it.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]no its true, it was a joke he took too seriouslyStevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]again you give not one single prove why that is wrong "as the system RAM and video RAM are shared. The PS3's XDR RAM is also far more fast and efficient than the Xbox's GDDR3 RAM, running at a speed of 3.2 GHz compared to 700 MHz. Final bandwidth numbers prove PS3 is the victor in this category." what's wrong here ??? as for skyrim i didn't have the ps3 version i only have pc version and i have found sooooooooooooooooooooo many bugs on it .. that's make me sure it had nothing to do with ps3 ram it's Bugtheseda fault all the way like the bug with the moth preist in their latest dlc dawngaurd ... i had to do console script to the Quest and that is one of the many many bugs i found in their games and all of them are pc version by the way Rocker6

About Skyrim, I was referencing the specific issue of frame rate drops caused by large save files on the PS3, which is directly related to the lack of RAM...

Dawnguard can't run on the PS3 because it would inflate the save files even further...

As I said, 360 has more usable RAM due to a smaller OS footprint, a thing that counts when you have only 512 MB to work with...

that was their fault from the start when they give patches that fix the game that only mean that they launched a broken game they could have fix it before launch with those patches but no thhey did not because the deadline and as for dawnguard i tried to enjoy it on pc ... but what you know a moth preist bug almost made me delete the game untill i put a console script to get around it shadiezz2012

When they can't bring an expansion pack to the PS3, you start to ask yourself, is it really just the developer incompetence?

Whatever you say, the fact remains, PS3 is the only platform where Skyrim had the infamous frame rate issue, and I repeat, it's directly related to the lack of RAM...

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]that was their fault from the start when they give patches that fix the game that only mean that they launched a broken game they could have fix it before launch with those patches but no thhey did not because the deadline and as for dawnguard i tried to enjoy it on pc ... but what you know a moth preist bug almost made me delete the game untill i put a console script to get around it Rocker6

When they can't bring an expansion pack to the PS3, you start to ask yourself, is it really just the developer incompetence?

Whatever you say, the fact remains, PS3 is the only platform where Skyrim had the infamous frame rate issue, and I repeat, it's directly related to the lack of RAM...

it's not whatever i say

pc had famerate issues as well and alot of bugs

and if what you are saying is true

then tell me why FF13 was much worse on xbox even with the 3 dics ??!!

is it xbox360 fault or dev's fault ???

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]again you give not one single prove why that is wrong "as the system RAM and video RAM are shared. The PS3's XDR RAM is also far more fast and efficient than the Xbox's GDDR3 RAM, running at a speed of 3.2 GHz compared to 700 MHz. Final bandwidth numbers prove PS3 is the victor in this category." what's wrong here ??? as for skyrim i didn't have the ps3 version i only have pc version and i have found sooooooooooooooooooooo many bugs on it .. that's make me sure it had nothing to do with ps3 ram it's Bugtheseda fault all the way like the bug with the moth preist in their latest dlc dawngaurd ... i had to do console script to the Quest and that is one of the many many bugs i found in their games and all of them are pc version by the way shadiezz2012

About Skyrim, I was referencing the specific issue of frame rate drops caused by large save files on the PS3, which is directly related to the lack of RAM...

Dawnguard can't run on the PS3 because it would inflate the save files even further...

As I said, 360 has more usable RAM due to a smaller OS footprint, a thing that counts when you have only 512 MB to work with...

Here, let me help:

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+Shrinks+PS3+OS+Gives+Devs+70MB+of+Extra+Memory/article17775.htm

"Joystiq reports that Sony has quietly updated the PS3 over the last few months tounlock extra RAMfor developers. The latest firmware update reportedly adds an extra 70MB of RAM for the developers to use. The extra RAM comes as a result of reducing the footprint of the PS3 OS from 120MB to 50MB."

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=29892

"It's 32MB, and a small percentage of 2 of the 3 processor cores. I have a feeling that while it's great that they 'only' took away 32MB from a unified 512MB, it might limit what additions and improvements they can make to the OS at a later date. We'll see, though. "

Since IGN ommited such an important detail in their comparison, it is botched!

PS3 has an OS footprint of 50 MB.

360 has an OS footprint of 32 MB.

These days, it's actually quite a large amount, since console hardware is pushed to its limits, and in cases when you're dealing with an open world as huge as Skyrim's, plus all the object interaction, those 18 MB make a difference...

it's not whatever i say

pc had famerate issues as well and alot of bugs

and if what you are saying is true

then tell me why FF13 was much worse on xbox even with the 3 dics ??!!

is it xbox360 fault or dev's fault ???

shadiezz2012

FF13, first of all, the scale of that game is nowhere as close as the one in Skyrim, there is also nowhere near as much object interaction as in Skyrim, so logic implies that the game is much less RAM intensive...

As for whose fault the inferior 360 version is, I'd say the devs, due to the fact how the PS3 version took priority during development, which makes sense when you take it into the account how FF franchise is tightly connected with the PS brand. Don't forget this petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/ps3exclu/petition.html

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

About Skyrim, I was referencing the specific issue of frame rate drops caused by large save files on the PS3, which is directly related to the lack of RAM...

Dawnguard can't run on the PS3 because it would inflate the save files even further...

As I said, 360 has more usable RAM due to a smaller OS footprint, a thing that counts when you have only 512 MB to work with...

Rocker6

Here, let me help:

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+Shrinks+PS3+OS+Gives+Devs+70MB+of+Extra+Memory/article17775.htm

"Joystiq reports that Sony has quietly updated the PS3 over the last few months tounlock extra RAMfor developers. The latest firmware update reportedly adds an extra 70MB of RAM for the developers to use. The extra RAM comes as a result of reducing the footprint of the PS3 OS from 120MB to 50MB."

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=29892

"It's 32MB, and a small percentage of 2 of the 3 processor cores. I have a feeling that while it's great that they 'only' took away 32MB from a unified 512MB, it might limit what additions and improvements they can make to the OS at a later date. We'll see, though. "

Since IGN ommited such an important detail in their comparison, it is botched!

PS3 has an OS footprint of 50 MB.

360 has an OS footprint of 32 MB.

These days, it's actually quite a large amount, since console hardware is pushed to its limits, and in cases when you're dealing with an open world as huge as Skyrim's, plus all the object interaction, those 18 MB make a difference...

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] i will look into that more and get back to you because it seem that both of you and the article are right

shadiezz2012

Here, let me help:

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+Shrinks+PS3+OS+Gives+Devs+70MB+of+Extra+Memory/article17775.htm

"Joystiq reports that Sony has quietly updated the PS3 over the last few months tounlock extra RAMfor developers. The latest firmware update reportedly adds an extra 70MB of RAM for the developers to use. The extra RAM comes as a result of reducing the footprint of the PS3 OS from 120MB to 50MB."

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=29892

"It's 32MB, and a small percentage of 2 of the 3 processor cores. I have a feeling that while it's great that they 'only' took away 32MB from a unified 512MB, it might limit what additions and improvements they can make to the OS at a later date. We'll see, though. "

Since IGN ommited such an important detail in their comparison, it is botched!

PS3 has an OS footprint of 50 MB.

360 has an OS footprint of 32 MB.

These days, it's actually quite a large amount, since console hardware is pushed to its limits, and in cases when you're dealing with an open world as huge as Skyrim's, plus all the object interaction, those 18 MB make a difference...

Skyrim uses a more advanced engine than New Vegas...

New Vegas runs on Gamebryo, Skyrim runs on the Creation Engine, a evolution of Gamebryo, Beth even touted it as an entirely new engine (though that is just marketting, it's NOT an entirely new engine)...

Also, having played both games, Skyrim's world is noticeably larger than NV's...

As for the CPU, it cannot fix the lack of RAM, I'm afraid, that's why we often say how PS3 and 360 are memory starved, since measly 512 MB is the largest bottleneck...

If the RAM speed can't keep up with the CPU, or if there's a lack of RAM present in the system, there will be problems...

In the case of Skyrim, the PS3 suffers from the latter...

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]

it's not whatever i say

pc had famerate issues as well and alot of bugs

and if what you are saying is true

then tell me why FF13 was much worse on xbox even with the 3 dics ??!!

is it xbox360 fault or dev's fault ???

Rocker6

FF13, first of all, the scale of that game is nowhere as close as the one in Skyrim, there is also nowhere near as much object interaction as in Skyrim, so logic implies that the game is much less RAM intensive...

As for whose fault the inferior 360 version is, I'd say the devs, due to the fact how the PS3 version took priority during development, which makes sense when you take it into the account how FF franchise is tightly connected with the PS brand. Don't forget this petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/ps3exclu/petition.html