IGN: Why does 360 lose exclusives?

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]

it's not whatever i say

pc had famerate issues as well and alot of bugs

and if what you are saying is true

then tell me why FF13 was much worse on xbox even with the 3 dics ??!!

is it xbox360 fault or dev's fault ???

shadiezz2012

FF13, first of all, the scale of that game is nowhere as close as the one in Skyrim, there is also nowhere near as much object interaction as in Skyrim, so logic implies that the game is much less RAM intensive...

As for whose fault the inferior 360 version is, I'd say the devs, due to the fact how the PS3 version took priority during development, which makes sense when you take it into the account how FF franchise is tightly connected with the PS brand. Don't forget this petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/ps3exclu/petition.html

Yes, generally open world games ask the most RAM...

Also, you just can't compare Prototype and Saints Row to Skyrim, do they have object interaction, where you can take objects from the game world and switch their positions, while the game saves it all?

Can you kill any NPC in those games, where the game saves it, and body remains in the place where they died, without dissapearing?

And LA Noire, please, despite being open-worlded, it's very linear...

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

FF13, first of all, the scale of that game is nowhere as close as the one in Skyrim, there is also nowhere near as much object interaction as in Skyrim, so logic implies that the game is much less RAM intensive...

As for whose fault the inferior 360 version is, I'd say the devs, due to the fact how the PS3 version took priority during development, which makes sense when you take it into the account how FF franchise is tightly connected with the PS brand. Don't forget this petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/ps3exclu/petition.html

Yes, generally open world games ask the most RAM...

Also, you just can't compare Prototype and Saints Row to Skyrim, do they have object interaction, where you can take objects from the game world and switch their positions, while the game saves it all?

Can you kill any NPC in those games, where the game saves it, and body remains in the place where they died, without dissapearing?

And LA Noire, please, despite being open-worlded, it's very linear...

in real life, do you put garbage on the ground to pick up later? no. you store it, or you discard it. somebody let bethesda know this. unless your redecorating a home. which sim city couldnt do eitherPinnacleGamingP

What are you getting at?

You have problems with Bethesda making game world and objects consistent, a thing not many games do? :?

Something tells me you'd sing a very different tune if Skyrim on the PS3 wasn't the worst version... ;)

i agreed with you untill you said this " i do believe PS3 may be slightly more powerful on paper. In practice, i dont see it producting better results (at least nothing i have seen so far)." if games like Kz3/uc3/tlou/gow3/gowa etc are not prove enough for you that ps3 is more powerfull then i don't know what else would prove it to you...shadiezz2012

and ND do know the xbox360 hardware very well just like epic do know ps3 very well not because they work for one system does not mean they don't have the other system...shadiezz2012

We both know this is not true. Epic needed 6 years and 3 games to make a 360 game with Gears 3 graphics. Do you think a dev knows what a hardware is capable of just by owning the console? If you want an expert and unbiased opinion, then pay attention to John Carmack. He does believe PS3 is slightly more powerful on paper, but he also believe 360 is, at least, as capable in practice.

...as for the ram i just wrote this "as for skyrim i didn't have the ps3 version i only have pc version and i have found sooooooooooooooooooooo many bugs on it .. that's make me sure it had nothing to do with ps3 ram it's Bugtheseda fault all the way like the bug with the moth preist in their latest dlc dawngaurd ... i had to do console script to the Quest and that is one of the many many bugs i found in their games and all of them are pc version by the way " i could say the same about FF13 or FF13-2 etc of many many games that run better on ps3 and on one disc but i'm not a fool MP never do the console justitce not on xbox nor ps3 exclusives are the ones who do that shadiezz2012

Multiplats are actually the only possible way to compare two or more systems. I dont remember Xbox having problems to compete with PS2. It was more powerful, it proved it on exclusives AND multiplats. Lazy devs are a pretty outdated excuse, man, this gen is almost over.

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]in real life, do you put garbage on the ground to pick up later? no. you store it, or you discard it. somebody let bethesda know this. unless your redecorating a home. which sim city couldnt do eitherRocker6

What are you getting at?

You have problems with Bethesda making game world and objects consistent, a thing not many games do? :?

Something tells me you'd sing a very different tune if Skyrim on the PS3 wasn't the worst version... ;)

in real life, do you put garbage on the ground to pick up later? no. you store it, or you discard it. somebody let bethesda know this. unless your redecorating a home. which sim city couldnt do eitherPinnacleGamingP

What are you getting at?

You have problems with Bethesda making game world and objects consistent, a thing not many games do? :?

Something tells me you'd sing a very different tune if Skyrim on the PS3 wasn't the worst version... ;)

What are you getting at?

You have problems with Bethesda making game world and objects consistent, a thing not many games do? :?

Something tells me you'd sing a very different tune if Skyrim on the PS3 wasn't the worst version... ;)

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"] it will save some technical issues and QA timePinnacleGamingP

Why do you keep talking back at yourself? :?

Ain't you a strange cookie... :|

*backs away slowly*

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"] ive said this before, there is too much garbage in what could otherwise be such a beautiful gameRocker6

Why do you keep talking back at yourself? :?

Ain't you a strange cookie... :|

*backs away slowly*

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]Like i said before, there are too many variables: art direction, scale, textures, lightning, etc. How do you know that Uncharted 3 animations are better than Gears 3 particle effects? Or GoW3 boss battles are better than Halo 4 lightning? You cant compare apples to bananas and not accept other opinions. Some PC exclusives do impress me when it comes to graphics. PS3 exclusives just look like polished 360 games. Also how do you know that ND wouldnt do an equally good looking game with 360 hardware?

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]and ND do know the xbox360 hardware very well just like epic do know ps3 very well not because they work for one system does not mean they don't have the other system...PAL360

We both know this is not true. Epic needed 6 years and 3 games to make a 360 game with Gears 3 graphics. Do you think a dev knows what a hardware is capable of just by owning the console? If you want an expert and unbiased opinion, then pay attention to John Carmack. He does believe PS3 is slightly more powerful on paper, but he also believe 360 is, at least, as capable in practice.

...as for the ram i just wrote this "as for skyrim i didn't have the ps3 version i only have pc version and i have found sooooooooooooooooooooo many bugs on it .. that's make me sure it had nothing to do with ps3 ram it's Bugtheseda fault all the way like the bug with the moth preist in their latest dlc dawngaurd ... i had to do console script to the Quest and that is one of the many many bugs i found in their games and all of them are pc version by the way " i could say the same about FF13 or FF13-2 etc of many many games that run better on ps3 and on one disc but i'm not a fool MP never do the console justitce not on xbox nor ps3 exclusives are the ones who do that shadiezz2012

Multiplats are actually the only possible way to compare two or more systems. I dont remember Xbox having problems to compete with PS2. It was more powerful, it proved it on exclusives AND multiplats. Lazy devs are a pretty outdated excuse, man, this gen is almost over.

devs can still be lazy at the end of the genTintedEyes

So, do you think every single dev who were once professionals and proactive, turned lazy this gen? And just on PS3? What a coincidence :o

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]IGN is by far one of the most biased and corrupt website around here. PS3 just have 3 more exclusive than 360. thats it. console wise most exclusive are on wii. eitherway PC has most exclusive both quality and quantity wise.bob__

Don't burst his bubble, let him dream.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, I didn't see a thread about it and it is farily recent news, so I'll get it started.

Why Does the 360 Lose Exclusives - IGN

Done by the experts at IGN, they throw out some very interesting ideas. Mainly that MS does not care about exclusives and are going to be more focused on making a centralised media hub next gen and not focused on making 1st party titles, where as Sony is going to continue to grow and become a bigger and bigger publisher with more exclusives.

The Xbox brand seems to do well with just Halo and Gears, that's all it really seems to need. Those 2 along with Fable and Forza are the only exclusives that are successful on 360, the rest such as Alan Wake sell poorly which is why MS stopped making them. The 360 fanbase does not buy very many exclusives, IGN also raised another interesting point: MS already has consumers, the 360 fanbase has no choice but to buy the next Xbox.

This is where their freinds list will be, their gamertags, their achivements, their XBL Gold account etc....they are not going to drop that. The PS3 fanbase won't switch over to Xbox for the same reason. People are too invested in their system as it is. So going into next gen you are going to see the PlayStation brand keep getting more and more exclusives, while the Xbox brand will focus on mainnly multiplats such as COD and special DLC for them, while bringing out big hitters every now and then such as Halo and Gears.

What do you make of this? Do you think this is accurate? Will you be satisfied with only a few exclusives for the next Xbox? One thing is for certain though, neither system really has that much of an advantage over each other, in terms of sales they are neck and neck.

As a gamer what system strategy appeals to you the most?

ShadowMoses900

There are no experts at IGN for starters. Who cares how many exclusives sony has when they're anime filled suck fests?

neXtBOX is for western gamers and PC gamers who also want a console, it'll do amazingly well, just like the 360. It'll make you glad you laughed at ps4.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]devs can still be lazy at the end of the genPAL360

So, do you think every single dev who were once professionals and proactive, turned lazy this gen? And just on PS3? What a coincidence :o

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]devs can still be lazy at the end of the genTintedEyes

So, do you think every single dev who were once professionals and proactive, turned lazy this gen? And just on PS3? What a coincidence :o

Parity? Wasnt PS3 supposed to be more powerful?

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

So, do you think every single dev who were once professionals and proactive, turned lazy this gen? And just on PS3? What a coincidence :o

PAL360

Parity? Wasnt PS3 supposed to be more powerful?

[QUOTE="bob__"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]IGN is by far one of the most biased and corrupt website around here. PS3 just have 3 more exclusive than 360. thats it. console wise most exclusive are on wii. eitherway PC has most exclusive both quality and quantity wise.Obviously_Right

Don't burst his bubble, let him dream.

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="bob__"] lol, no. PC is just for MMO nerds. It will never be relevant.Jankarcop

Don't burst his bubble, let him dream.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] not every dev, just the ones who couldnt get parity between consolesTintedEyes

Parity? Wasnt PS3 supposed to be more powerful?

[QUOTE="bob__"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]IGN is by far one of the most biased and corrupt website around here. PS3 just have 3 more exclusive than 360. thats it. console wise most exclusive are on wii. eitherway PC has most exclusive both quality and quantity wise.Obviously_Right

Don't burst his bubble, let him dream.

two virgins basement dwellers agreeing with each other? no surprise here..Tessellation

I guess that's better than people who never attended school. Looking at you Tessellation, with your horrendous grammar.

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="delta3074"]RDR and GTAIV where not ports and the ps3 was the lead platform for ghostbusters and it still ended up running better on the 360, The Port excuse was thrown out of the window ages because because there are many games trhat where definitly not ports, crysis 2 for example, that run at a higher resolution on the 360 than they do on the Ps3 and often with better framerates, 360 tends to have more screen tearing but i prefer that to framerate drops because framerate drops can cause input lag.ShadowMoses900

I think both of you are wrong. There are a few cases where there is a difference, but really the rest of the time it's always the same. You cannot tell the difference between a PS3 port and a 360 port the vast majority of the time, they look and play identical.

I don't know why people can't admit this, it's the truth. 360 guys are usually the one's who have a problem admitting this, but there are a few cows out there that do it too. The argument that 360 has better multiplats is extreamely weak and overexaggerated.

In my honest opinion I think lems do it because they know they don't have any games that look as good as Uncharted or God of War or KZ etc...so they overexaggerate multiplats as a way to cope with it.

It's just one of they many, many ways people try to justify their purchase. AKA Buyers Remorse.

2/10, shadow thread

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]two virgins basement dwellers agreeing with each other? no surprise here..lundy86_4

I guess that's better than people who never attended school. Looking at you Tessellation, with your horrendous grammar.

Microsoft is taking a strategy very different from traditional console business.

They are extending Windows across multiple devices.

Windows doesn't care about "exclusives" it focuses on being an easy development platform so that anybody with enough pizza can code a game.

Nobody commissions "exclusives" for the PC, it just happens organically, by virtue of being cheap and easy.

Same with the 360.

They don't have to commission "exclusives" things become exclusive just because they're too much of a pain in the ass to port to PS3, see DLC's for Skyrim as an example, and Witcher 2.

Nobody went out to these people and say "psst hey, don't make a PS3 version."

It just happened that way naturally because coding for the PS3 is more expense than it's worth.

Sony tried to monopolize developers into their camp, but it backfired and now it's Sony first-party vs "Everybody else."

And "Everybody Else" is making all the best games. All the multiplats and DLC's.

While first party makes 3-4 games worth playing and the rest are trash.

Look at the top 10-20 games sold today, they are almost all multiplat. Nobody gives a schit about "All Stars."

So the end result is while 360 has few "exclusive" they have the best library.

Every single game that's worth playing is on 360.

While they might share these games with one other platform they don't share with ALL platforms, meaning you have to come to 360 to play all the "must play" games.

Bottom line for hardcore gamers, 360 is all you need.

PC-only miss some important stuff like RDR, Gears, Halo, Vanquish, Enslaved, etc.

PS3-only miss some important stuff like Witcher, L4D, Minecraft, Bethesda games, etc.

360-only don't miss anything but WoW, and WoW is old enough you can play it on a laptop or something.

So for now 360 is the definitive platform IMO.

hmmm grammar or basement dwelling.. i take grammar!.

Tessellation

Not surprising. Please, God, don't use any type of formal writing for your career.

Microsoft is taking a strategy very different from traditional console business.

They are extending Windows across multiple devices.

Windows doesn't care about "exclusives" it focuses on being an easy development platform so that anybody with enough pizza can code a game.

Nobody commissions "exclusives" for the PC, it just happens organically, by virtue of being cheap and easy.

Same with the 360.

They don't have to commission "exclusives" things become exclusive just because they're too much of a pain in the ass to port to PS3, see DLC's for Skyrim as an example, and Witcher 2.

Nobody went out to these people and say "psst hey, don't make a PS3 version."

It just happened that way naturally because coding for the PS3 is more expense than it's worth.

Sony tried to monopolize developers into their camp, but it backfired and now it's Sony first-party vs "Everybody else."

And "Everybody Else" is making all the best games. All the multiplats and DLC's.

While first party makes 3-4 games worth playing and the rest are trash.

Look at the top 10-20 games sold today, they are almost all multiplat. Nobody gives a schit about "All Stars."

So the end result is while 360 has few "exclusive" they have the best library.

Every single game that's worth playing is on 360.

While they might share these games with one other platform they don't share with ALL platforms, meaning you have to come to 360 to play all the "must play" games.

Bottom line for hardcore gamers, 360 is all you need.

PC-only miss some important stuff like RDR, Gears, Halo, Vanquish, Enslaved, etc.

PS3-only miss some important stuff like Witcher, L4D, Minecraft, Bethesda games, etc.

360-only don't miss anything but WoW, and WoW is old enough you can play it on a laptop or something.

So for now 360 is the definitive platform IMO.

ZombieKiller7

Seriously, clear and concise... Not a mess of jibber-jabber.

I think what people sometimes overlook is the fact that it costs a ton of money to make a new game. On top of that it is very risky as there is not a current user base for it as you are trying to create one. This is where marketing comes in, R&D, and a complete build of a game from the ground up and hoping that it sells. It cost millions upon millions of dollars to do so. Not every game is Halo or Gears. Its easy to make a sequel to something that sold millions the first go around. It's very tough to dive into something that hasn't sold one.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]RDR and GTAIV where not ports and the ps3 was the lead platform for ghostbusters and it still ended up running better on the 360, The Port excuse was thrown out of the window ages because because there are many games trhat where definitly not ports, crysis 2 for example, that run at a higher resolution on the 360 than they do on the Ps3 and often with better framerates, 360 tends to have more screen tearing but i prefer that to framerate drops because framerate drops can cause input lag.tormentos

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Parity? Wasnt PS3 supposed to be more powerful?

TintedEyes

Dude, did you notice that you entered in the middle of a conversation? At least read what i and shadiezz2012 were talking about :?

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]360-only don't miss anything but WoW, and WoW is old enough you can play it on a laptop or something. SNIPER4321

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]360-only don't miss anything but WoW, and WoW is old enough you can play it on a laptop or something. SNIPER4321

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]360-only don't miss anything but WoW, and WoW is old enough you can play it on a laptop or something. freedomfreak

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]360-only don't miss anything but WoW, and WoW is old enough you can play it on a laptop or something. SNIPER4321

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]360-only don't miss anything but WoW, and WoW is old enough you can play it on a laptop or something. locopatho

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Eh it'll probably come to consoles eventually. All the biggest and best PC FPS games do. Quake, Doom, Call Of Duty, all the Half Life games, all the Deus Ex games, Far Cry, Crysis, Metro 2033, etc :Plocopatho

Now,when you talk about Deus Ex you mean the 2 year old PS2 port? That version of the game is a mess,full of loading times everywhere,having you pause the game to use augmentations,missing whole parts of levels and content on the PC versions(especially in Hong Kong where the majority of the tunnels and underwatter exploration sections werent´t there,including a couple of quests),the visuals nevere were DX strong point but that version looks absolutely atrocious lol,among so many other things,I hardly think that´s an acceptable port or even comparable to the PC original. :P

Similar situations happened with most of thiose you mentioned,especially the Doom but most importantly Quake or even Duke Nukem ports wich were some missing levels(depending on the versions)played terribly without a second analog and barely any of them had the most important thing in those games,the multiplayer.

And as far as HL goes,the consoles never had HL Blue Shift or Opposing Force,HL Source or even the recent awesome Black Mesa. >.>

You know the way to play those games is on the PC,don´t you deny it!:twisted:

Stalker I really doubt it´s ever coming to consoles,especially due to the situation with the developer,and even if it comes it really wouldn´t matter all that much,so many years would´ve passed that it would be no longer important(same with the huge majority of those late ports). :P