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#1 Squall18
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I think blu ray discs are great, however installs on my hard drive are soo absurd at times. Also, I agree that DVD's price is nice.

But yeah.....agree or agree to disagree...discuss

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Right now...........the market thinks DVD is better. The market is always right.
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I can't stand it when people state that upconverted DVDs looks similar or on par with Blu-ray (or HD-DVD). They must have terrible vision, or the world's worst HDTV. I do agree Blu-ray still has an uphill battle, though. The only appreciable difference it offers over DVD is picture quality. BD Live is garbage, and few people have sound systems good enough to even notice the difference in audio formats.
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#5 darkmagician06
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it works for games though you have to admit. price is the same as dvd games
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#6 TheGrat1
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As a format, Blu-ray is superior to DVD in every way. Some of those reasons are just silly.
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DVD is better because it's not ridiculously expensive. I have netflix so I don't have to pay 30 to 35 bucks for a ****ing movie. :|

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#8 GrumpyWalrus
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I am currently watching Punisher War Zone on Blu-Ray. To be honest coming from a huge movie buff I can see/hear a very real difference. The question is how important is that difference to your average consumer?
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[QUOTE="-M117-"]Right now...........the market thinks DVD is better. The market is always right.

Except the market isn't right in this case or alot of other cases, blu-ray is superior, the only thing thing DVD's has over bluray is a large consumer base and better pricing.
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I can't stand it when people state that upconverted DVDs looks similar or on par with Blu-ray (or HD-DVD). They must have terrible vision, or the world's worst HDTV. I do agree Blu-ray still has an uphill battle, though. The only appreciable difference it offers over DVD is picture quality. BD Live is garbage, and few people have sound systems good enough to even notice the difference in audio formats.DJ_Lae
Few people have the sound system to notice the difference form DVD to Blu Ray
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#11 n4styg1t
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Blueray is cool if u have a big TV, the best thing though is 7.1 sound its is noticably crisper

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#12 GrumpyWalrus
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DVD is better because it's not ridiculously expensive. I have netflix so I don't have to pay 30 to 35 bucks for a ****ing movie. :|

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I do not know where you are buying your movies but that is a terrible price. I just bought Punisher Warzone brand new (just released) at Wal-Mart for $24. Many Blu-Ray movies can be had for $20 and some even better deals online. To put it simply, if you are paying 30-35 dollars for a movie you are stupid.
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Yeah I read this the other day. It's nothing but obvious points.

It's cheaper than Blu-Ray: Blu-Ray more expensive than DVD. DVD was more expensive than VHS.

Mo' Technology, Mo' Problems: Pretty much the same with any new technology.

You already own a ton of DVD's: Granted, however the jump from VHS to DVD would have been similar, and we haven't looked back.

Up-conversion really works: Up-conversion works, but looks nowhere near as good as a full 1080p movie or programme.

You can't get that on Blu-Ray: Again this was the same with DVD, it started with only classics being transferred and later went to new and older releases.

Kind of a silly article.

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I think blu ray discs are great, however installs on my hard drive are soo absurd at times. Also, I agree that DVD's price is nice.

But yeah.....agree or agree to disagree...discuss

Squall18

I think you're talking about the games, not blu ray movies.

Anyways, I think a lot of IGN users were furious when reading that article. Personally I think blu ray is great, the video quality(which is due to space) is really good and blu rays always comes with more content than a dvd. The Dark Knight on blu ray was amazing.

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[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="-M117-"]Right now...........the market thinks DVD is better. The market is always right.

Except the market isn't right in this case or alot of other cases, blu-ray is superior, the only thing thing DVD's has over bluray is a large consumer base and better pricing.

the market is always right. period. You can have an opinion, but its adorable that you question the market.
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I can't stand it when people state that upconverted DVDs looks similar or on par with Blu-ray (or HD-DVD). They must have terrible vision, or the world's worst HDTV. I do agree Blu-ray still has an uphill battle, though. The only appreciable difference it offers over DVD is picture quality. BD Live is garbage, and few people have sound systems good enough to even notice the difference in audio formats.DJ_Lae

Agreed, im pretty poor at the moment being a student and all so all i have is a £400 720p LCD TV with some pretty average, not bad, surround.

BR has no real benefits for me at all, sure it looks a little better but when DVDs these days are about 1/3 or even 1/5 the price of blue-rays, not to mention very few films are shot in a format that takes advantage of the medium, it becomes clear what i'm going to buy. And its DVD. There was a huge leap between VHS and DVD in terms of durability and technology. Blur ray is just DVD a little bit better, its not really a new format at all.

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hmm was the cassette tape better than the 8 track? How about cd versus cassette? hmmm...now what about vhs versus dvd? hmmmm again...now blue versus dvd? hmmmm hmmmm hmmm could it be that it just takes a little bit for new tech to catch on? hmmmmmmm :D
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[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="-M117-"]Right now...........the market thinks DVD is better. The market is always right. -M117-
Except the market isn't right in this case or alot of other cases, blu-ray is superior, the only thing thing DVD's has over bluray is a large consumer base and better pricing.

the market is always right. period. You can have an opinion, but its adorable that you question the market.

Well blueray is doing better than DVD did at this stage, DVD was such a huge leap from VHS as well.

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I think the movie are just awesome to watch and I'm glad I can play them.

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There is one very big flaw that the author seems to neglect throughout the article. Time.

This article does not take in account of time. Blue-Ray players are continually dropping in price. Down the road, blue-ray will be affordable.

This is by far the most pointless article I ever read.

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I disagree with the bit about "you already have a lot of dvds" or whatever it was called. I have a lot of dvds but I dont feel the need to replace my entire collection. I play dvds in my ps3 and I'm just adding bluray movies to that collection, and adding dvds as well. plus 1080p televisions are getting to be very common right now.

I have issues with bluray though. It could have been more if they had a bit of imagination. Sorry to rant, but bluray players have hard drives so why not add an option where you could insert deleted scenes into the movie if you want, or try the movie with alternate endings, etc? The movie "Dodgeball" for instance, where the alternate ending is way better than the official version and the director even says so. It could actually change the way movies are shot as well.

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#22 -M117-
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[QUOTE="-M117-"][QUOTE="deangallop"] Except the market isn't right in this case or alot of other cases, blu-ray is superior, the only thing thing DVD's has over bluray is a large consumer base and better pricing. n4styg1t

the market is always right. period. You can have an opinion, but its adorable that you question the market.

Well blueray is doing better than DVD did at this stage, DVD was such a huge leap from VHS as well.

irrelevant. same principle. VHS has been around since the what........late 70's? offcourse DVD struggled, people had nothing but VHS. Market is always right.
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[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="-M117-"]Right now...........the market thinks DVD is better. The market is always right. -M117-
Except the market isn't right in this case or alot of other cases, blu-ray is superior, the only thing thing DVD's has over bluray is a large consumer base and better pricing.

the market is always right. period. You can have an opinion, but its adorable that you question the market.

The market, in this economic climate, is always going to go with technology that is cheaper and proven reliable. Blu-Ray is much, much better than DVD. However until we climb out of this pit, the market is unlikely to change it's mind.

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[QUOTE="-M117-"]Right now...........the market thinks DVD is better. The market is always right. deangallop
Except the market isn't right in this case or alot of other cases, blu-ray is superior, the only thing thing DVD's has over bluray is a large consumer base and better pricing.

If my PC acted like what's in your sig, my PC would explode. It only gets errors once a year.

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[QUOTE="-M117-"][QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="-M117-"]Right now...........the market thinks DVD is better. The market is always right.

Except the market isn't right in this case or alot of other cases, blu-ray is superior, the only thing thing DVD's has over bluray is a large consumer base and better pricing.

the market is always right. period. You can have an opinion, but its adorable that you question the market.

If the market is always right the best game this generation is Wii fit, and the best music is the Jonas brothers...... give me a break.
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[QUOTE="-M117-"][QUOTE="deangallop"] Except the market isn't right in this case or alot of other cases, blu-ray is superior, the only thing thing DVD's has over bluray is a large consumer base and better pricing. n4styg1t

the market is always right. period. You can have an opinion, but its adorable that you question the market.

Well blueray is doing better than DVD did at this stage, DVD was such a huge leap from VHS as well.

The step-up DVD is to VHS is way way way more than the step from DVD to BD. Theres no comparison, BD is simply just more quality. DVD however pioneered way more than that.
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#27 L33T_TI200P3I2
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You pay for what you get, if you want one of the best experiences you can get at the moment, go for Blu-Ray, if you don't really mind go for DVD. Blu-Ray will eventually become the new DVD once it's cheap.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

DVD is better because it's not ridiculously expensive. I have netflix so I don't have to pay 30 to 35 bucks for a ****ing movie. :|

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I do not know where you are buying your movies but that is a terrible price. I just bought Punisher Warzone brand new (just released) at Wal-Mart for $24. Many Blu-Ray movies can be had for $20 and some even better deals online. To put it simply, if you are paying 30-35 dollars for a movie you are stupid.

Back when I used to buy DVDs, brand new DVDs were 15 bucks a pop. 25 bucks isn't much better than 30$. :|
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[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="-M117-"][QUOTE="deangallop"] Except the market isn't right in this case or alot of other cases, blu-ray is superior, the only thing thing DVD's has over bluray is a large consumer base and better pricing.

the market is always right. period. You can have an opinion, but its adorable that you question the market.

If the market is always right the best game this generation is Wii fit, and the best music is the Jonas brothers...... give me a break.

you may disagree but thats what the market wants. To a lesser degree the market wants 360 for their "core" fix.
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The real problem with blu-ray is that it is still basically a DVD. VHS to DVD transition introduced a huge amount., you could see highly noticeable difference on EXISTING TECH. All blu-ray offers you is increased resolution IF you have the right TV. Its more of an incremental step than a revolution, you can't just say "well people said the same thing about DVD" becuase the jump was so much bigger back then, this is a whole different bag of lamas
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I prefer Blu-Ray. So what if a certain movie isn't on Blu-Ray. It's not like my Blu-Ray player doesn't also play DVD. I see no reason to replace my DVD movies seeing I don't need too. Sure DVD is cheaper, but you get what you pay for.

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[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="-M117-"] the market is always right. period. You can have an opinion, but its adorable that you question the market. -M117-
If the market is always right the best game this generation is Wii fit, and the best music is the Jonas brothers...... give me a break.

you may disagree but thats what the market wants. To a lesser degree the market wants 360 for their "core" fix.

So if the market likes crap, it doesn't really matter how good the competition is because the one that sells the most is obviously better, oh thank you for giving the gift of knowledge wise one.

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#33 TheOrigin
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I feel like some people are unable of processing a complete thought. How in any way shape or form can you say that DVD is BETTER than Blu-ray? You can say people still aren't ready for the technology or that they don't wan't to pay more.It's hard to take IGN seriously when they have crap like this on their site. Whats the purpose of even putting it up? Of course Blu-ray isn't as wide spread yet. Blu-ray is simply just an evolution of the dvd at this point at can't be considered "worse" than DVD.

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#34 SolidTy
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So is this the thread where we pretend that old tech is still cool and new tech is crappy? Cool, I'm in.

I remember boycotting DVD for my VHS collection.

Believe it or not guys, with ALL THE HURDLES Blu-Ray has to overcome that DVD didn't, it still is doing outstanding.

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For the people with netflix and saying it is expensive:you can add blu ray renting for 1 dollar a month..now that is a good deal right there. Though I won't upgrade as there aren't many movies out that I want to get that is worth the blu ray experience-and when LotR comes out on BR I am just going to buy it.
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I've thought this ever since blu-ray was even mentioned.

Not enough of the market owns HDTVs, nor do they own amazing sound systems, so blu-ray will do absolutely nothing for them. DVD worked on any tv you could plug your DVD player into, and from what I know there's more TVs in people's homes than any other electronic device.

Blu-ray won't last long considering Direct Download has already started appearing. Pretty soon everyone will have a movie player that just has a few terabytes of hard drive space that plays HD (or better) quality.

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I am starting to be avid Blu Ray buyer, but personally DVD is more my pick in general. Blu Ray is my choice only when its my favorite of movies and those movies benefit the blu ray (action movies, for example) But like things like comedy, I find it silly to even think about going for blu ray. Also, my main buy is anime and generally most anime is still on DVD, with exception of movies and few series. Most stuff is only avaible on DVD, for now.
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[QUOTE="-M117-"][QUOTE="deangallop"] If the market is always right the best game this generation is Wii fit, and the best music is the Jonas brothers...... give me a break. deangallop

you may disagree but thats what the market wants. To a lesser degree the market wants 360 for their "core" fix.

the one that sells the most is obviously better,.

WRONG the that sells most is most preferred, there is a difference.
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I think blu ray discs are great, however installs on my hard drive are soo absurd at times. Also, I agree that DVD's price is nice.

But yeah.....agree or agree to disagree...discuss

Squall18

While I can understand their conclusion about DVD still being a very solid medium that people will continue supporting for a while, some of their points are misleading.

For example, BR on average are $10 more? I'm Canadian and new releases are only $5 more than their DVD counterpart. I can only assume that to get their "average" they are comparing re-releases of olf movies on BR, which are way more money than the DVD...because the DVD versions may be as much as 20 years old. As best I can tell, these BRs quickly end up in the discount/sale/bargain bin. And I doubtIGN was arguing that VHS was better than DVD back when the same thing was happening with DVDs.

Another example is that players are too expensive. Uhmmm...I boughtmy first DVD player back when the PS2 was out andworked as a DVD player. I paid $200 for it. NOW youcan get BR players, which also play DVD anyway, for $250 canadian. Hardly an impossible price point. Sure, its not DVD player prices, but again, the price wasn't restrictive back for DVDs, why would it berestrictive for BR?VCRs were also dirt cheap when DVD was starting to come down. Did that make VCR better?

Already own a ton of DVDs? I do...and it didn't stop me from almost exclusively switching to BR for future purchases. Good thing BR players also play DVD. The idea that I would have to go out and rebuy all my DVDs is pretty stupid...yet that seems to be the point IGN is making.

THis point is especially ironic considering they dock BR for people supposedly having to rebuy all their movies they had on dvd...but then later criticize BR for having to wait for collectors editions, etc that are out on DVD.

THen they call BR a stop gap. Maybe. But what product isn't Ipods are just a stop gap until everyone had Iphones. But that isn't going to stop people from wanting HD movies that look amazing. I find it fairly ridiculous that people shouldn't buy anything ever until the final, ultimate, end forever product comes out. Has there EVER been any such "end product"? I guess cars suck because one day in the indefinite future we will all have solar powered cars that cost nothing to run and don't need fuel. I guess computer suck because one day in the super space future, everything will be a retina implant. As a consumer, I will worry about those super future products if/when they actually materialize.

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#40 deangallop
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[QUOTE="deangallop"]

[QUOTE="-M117-"] you may disagree but thats what the market wants. To a lesser degree the market wants 360 for their "core" fix. -M117-

the one that sells the most is obviously better,.

WRONG the that sells most is most preferred, there is a difference.

You were arguing that DVD was better not more prefered than Blu-ray, explain yourself.

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[QUOTE="treedoor"]

I've thought this ever since blu-ray was even mentioned.

Not enough of the market owns HDTVs, nor do they own amazing sound systems, so blu-ray will do absolutely nothing for them. DVD worked on any tv you could plug your DVD player into, and from what I know there's more TVs in people's homes than any other electronic device.

Blu-ray won't last long considering Direct Download has already started appearing. Pretty soon everyone will have a movie player that just has a few terabytes of hard drive space that plays HD (or better) quality.

Blah to direct downloads when you are considering movies.I don't think such a thing will work great. Movies are a movable commodity with people. People like to share that experience from one household to the next and ext. I don't think the general public would like that.
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For example, BR on average are $10 more? I'm Canadian and new releases are only $5 more than their DVD counterpart.

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Where do you get your movies from? The last few Blu-rays I bought (Iron Man, Wall-E, Dark Knight) were all $10 more than the DVD versions, and were at all the stores I looked at (Future Shop, Walmart, London Drugs, Costco, etc).
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Right now...........the market thinks DVD is better. The market is always right. -M117-

The market?

Not everybody has the money for HDTV and Blu-ray or even the need.

DVD does a great job, but there's no way you can say DVD is better then blu-ray in terms of quality.

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For example, BR on average are $10 more? I'm Canadian and new releases are only $5 more than their DVD counterpart.

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Where do you get your movies from? The last few Blu-rays I bought (Iron Man, Wall-E, Dark Knight) were all $10 more than the DVD versions, and were at all the stores I looked at (Future Shop, Walmart, London Drugs, Costco, etc).

Best buy, Walmart and I'm pretty confident I've never paid more than $5 more than DVD. Although, I also tend to buy movies on launch day, so maybe there are limited deals?

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#45 DJ_Lae
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[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

For example, BR on average are $10 more? I'm Canadian and new releases are only $5 more than their DVD counterpart.

Where do you get your movies from? The last few Blu-rays I bought (Iron Man, Wall-E, Dark Knight) were all $10 more than the DVD versions, and were at all the stores I looked at (Future Shop, Walmart, London Drugs, Costco, etc).

Best buy, Walmart and I'm pretty confident I've never paid more than $5 more than DVD. Although, I also tend to buy movies on launch day, so maybe there are limited deals?

Maybe. I remember buying Iron Man and Wall-E on release day, though. Then again, newer ones seem to be cheaper, so they must be adjusting prices the past month or two. I have no interest in it, but the Blu-ray version of Twilight is $20CDN this Saturday. Too bad that wasn't the norm.
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#46 ArisShadows
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[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Where do you get your movies from? The last few Blu-rays I bought (Iron Man, Wall-E, Dark Knight) were all $10 more than the DVD versions, and were at all the stores I looked at (Future Shop, Walmart, London Drugs, Costco, etc).DJ_Lae

Best buy, Walmart and I'm pretty confident I've never paid more than $5 more than DVD. Although, I also tend to buy movies on launch day, so maybe there are limited deals?

Maybe. I remember buying Iron Man and Wall-E on release day, though. Then again, newer ones seem to be cheaper, so they must be adjusting prices the past month or two. I have no interest in it, but the Blu-ray version of Twilight is $20CDN this Saturday. Too bad that wasn't the norm.

Amazon also sells stuff like Blu Ray movies cheaper. I got a few of them off there for equal or little more than the dvd version.
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#47 Sword-Demon
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bad arguments....

a lot of those were made against DVDs when they were taking over VHS

and cant bluray players also play DVDs? who cares if you already have a lot of DVDs?

it took time forDVD to take over VHS, just like it will take time for bluray to take over DVD

And it will take a LONG LONG LONG LONG time for DD to be done on a mass scale. every single person in the world would need an account, and aMASSIVE storage system

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Maybe. I remember buying Iron Man and Wall-E on release day, though. Then again, newer ones seem to be cheaper, so they must be adjusting prices the past month or two. I have no interest in it, but the Blu-ray version of Twilight is $20CDN this Saturday. Too bad that wasn't the norm.DJ_Lae

I just checked online. IronMan, Dark Knight and Wall-e are all only $5 more on BR ($7 for Wall-e it appears)...give or take depending on what editions you look at, what bonus's are packed in, etc.

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#49 dveight88
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The only people who can't see a marked difference between a BR and regular DvD movie are either using a junk TV or can't afford a BR player and are jealous.
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#50 Chutebox
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The only thing DVDs have over BDs are the price, that's it.