Ignore the influence of Halo?

Why do people on sw attempt to ignore the influence of Halo on modern fps's? And why do people call it generic?

Because its an exclusive game. If it were a multiplat, everyone would agree that it did have a lot of influence

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

Its easy to hate on popular things and not give them recognition. As for me? I just don't care.

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

toast_burner

The only who deny are Cows, Halo : CE came out 8 years ago, Playstation has yet to match an Exclusive FPS that Rivals Halo. Pre emptive LMAO for anyone who mentions KZ2 :lol:

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

toast_burner

How so?

halos over, its finished. deal with itTreySayer

[QUOTE="TreySayer"]halos over, its finished. deal with itgammon56

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

gammon56

There are so many halo clones that even the game that started it now feels generic

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

toast_burner

Because its influence has been highly detrimental to the FPS genre in that it introduced elements into the genre that have been poorly integrated into other games that attempt to imitate it... and has caused the over-saturation of the genre with "generic" shooters that attempt to copy Halo's success. Halo is definitely a "generic" shooter, but at least in its case, this isn't a bad thing, as it has a high level of polish... but it hasn't introduced anything "new" or "innovative" to the genre.

[QUOTE="gammon56"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

toast_burner

There are so many halo clones that even the game that started it now feels generic

What console shooters were more complex than Halo before it came out?

[QUOTE="gammon56"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] [QUOTE="TreySayer"][QUOTE="gammon56"][QUOTE="TreySayer"]halos over, its finished. deal with ittoast_burner

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

toast_burner

Because its influence has been highly detrimental to the FPS genre in that it introduced elements into the genre that have been poorly integrated into other games that attempt to imitate it... and has caused the over-saturation of the genre with "generic" shooters that attempt to copy Halo's success. Halo is definitely a "generic" shooter, but at least in its case, this isn't a bad thing, as it has a high level of polish... but it hasn't introduced anything "new" or "innovative" to the genre.

foxhound_fox

Because its influence has been highly detrimental to the FPS genre in that it introduced elements into the genre that have been poorly integrated into other games that attempt to imitate it... and has caused the over-saturation of the genre with "generic" shooters that attempt to copy Halo's success. Halo is definitely a "generic" shooter, but at least in its case, this isn't a bad thing, as it has a high level of polish... but it hasn't introduced anything "new" or "innovative" to the genre.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="gammon56"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

toast_burner

There are so many halo clones that even the game that started it now feels generic

well ill tell you why

there was a game made back in 1997 for the n64 it did everything halo copied except regenerating health and cars ,-did have atank in sp though

so ya halo ce wasnt that much different from goldeneye and the lack of ai didnt help iteither

games like duke nukem perfect dark turok2 timesplitters and perfectdark had already had thsi back on ps2/n64

it was just a good exclusive for xbox and what kept xbox on its feet ,

but when you compare it to earlier games especally perfect dark nintendo 64

youll see the big differencial in the amountof content and fun gameplayelements ,

halo doesnt have cheats there is hardly any replayvalue compared to n64s games , like pd or ge or xbox gamesl ike timesplitters 2/3

the point is , thereare better games out there even some were released alot earlier ,

if goldeneye had came out in 2001 on gamecube , ,

with gc visuals ,

im pretty sure that would be the game id play

The shields and popular online multiplayer that brought fps's into the main stream were not new?gammon56

Halo's a great MP game but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Reach which isn't even out is just now adding things like sprint lol. Halo was a great MP experience cause of all the playlists and it's simplistic, polished, balanced mp. It really didn't do a lot on the innovation front, so I really don't see all that much influence. If anything Halo is like a consolized UT, which imo is great.

[QUOTE="gammon56"]The shields and popular online multiplayer that brought fps's into the main stream were not new?foxhound_fox

Because its influence has been highly detrimental to the FPS genre in that it introduced elements into the genre that have been poorly integrated into other games that attempt to imitate it... and has caused the over-saturation of the genre with "generic" shooters that attempt to copy Halo's success. Halo is definitely a "generic" shooter, but at least in its case, this isn't a bad thing, as it has a high level of polish... but it hasn't introduced anything "new" or "innovative" to the genre.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="gammon56"]The shields and popular online multiplayer that brought fps's into the main stream were not new?gammon56

well ill tell you why

there was a game made back in 1997 for the n64 it did everything halo copied except regenerating health and cars ,-did have atank in sp though

so ya halo ce wasnt that much different from goldeneye and the lack of ai didnt help iteither

games like duke nukem perfect dark turok2 timesplitters and perfectdark had already had thsi back on ps2/n64

it was just a good exclusive for xbox and what kept xbox on its feet ,

but when you compare it to earlier games especally perfect dark nintendo 64

youll see the big differencial in the amountof content and fun gameplayelements ,

halo doesnt have cheats there is hardly any replayvalue compared to n64s games , like pd or ge or xbox gamesl ike timesplitters 2/3

the point is , thereare better games out there even some were released alot earlier ,

if goldeneye had came out in 2001 on gamecube , ,

with gc visuals ,

im pretty sure that would be the game id play

mariokart64fan

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="gammon56"] How is it a bad thing? All I ever see is fanboys commenting on how Halo is bad but, never say why.Sandvichman

There are so many halo clones that even the game that started it now feels generic

Halo, has a grip on why FPS's are popular today but now that is over after Reach.

You can't really ignore the influence of Halo...Killzone was built to combat Halo and failed epicly.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] It success lead to many other developers trying to be part of the success by releasing more casual/simple shooters.

There are so many halo clones that even the game that started it now feels generic

toast_burner

You know, being new CAN be good (Resident Evil 4), but it can also make certain IPs fubar (Look, y'all should know by now my history regarding new things ruining my favorite IPs, so I'm not going to put in the example that everyone should know by now), so being "Generic" CAN be great.

Anyway, Halo has had an big influence on the modern gaming industry, and saying otherwise is ignorant. Just because it's (Thank God) "Generic" doesn't mean that it hasn't left an influence.

The only who deny are Cows, Halo : CE came out 8 years ago, Playstation has yet to match an Exclusive FPS that Rivals Halo. Pre emptive LMAO for anyone who mentions KZ2 :lol:

Ultra_Combo

nah MAG was the newest "Halo Killer" :roll:

Halo, has a grip on why FPS's are popular today but now that is over after Reach.

You can't really ignore the influence of Halo...Killzone was built to combat Halo and failed epicly.

Halo, has a grip on why FPS's are popular today but now that is over after Reach.

You can't really ignore the influence of Halo...Killzone was built to combat Halo and failed epicly.

samuraiguns

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"] So in other words, bungie makes a good game, other devs try to follow, but fail at it. And this is bungies fault?gammon56

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

Halo, has a grip on why FPS's are popular today but now that is over after Reach.

You can't really ignore the influence of Halo...Killzone was built to combat Halo and failed epicly.

Mestitia

[QUOTE="gammon56"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]No but this thread is about influence. and Halo hasnt influenced anything good.toast_burner

No but this thread is about influence. and Halo hasnt influenced anything good.toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="gammon56"] Regerating health?

gmc2u_64

[QUOTE="gammon56"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]No but this thread is about influence. and Halo hasnt influenced anything good.toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="gammon56"] Regerating health?

gmc2u_64

Halo 1 and 2 had some influence. The rest of Halo's were garbage IMO.

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] Dont get me started on regenerating health! :P One of the worst concepts evertoast_burner

Halo 1 and 2 had some influence. The rest of Halo's were garbage IMO.

dream431ca

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"] How about setting THE control scheme for FPS games today?Sandvichman

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] It success lead to many other developers trying to be part of the success by releasing more casual/simple shooters.

There are so many halo clones that even the game that started it now feels generic

toast_burner

Bungie's success obviously had some influence, they made a great game, and other try to follow that way. I'd say that 4 AAA games in the past two generations is pretty good if you ask me.

well ill tell you why

there was a game made back in 1997 for the n64 it did everything halo copied except regenerating health and cars ,-did have atank in sp though

so ya halo ce wasnt that much different from goldeneye and the lack of ai didnt help iteither

games like duke nukem perfect dark turok2 timesplitters and perfectdark had already had thsi back on ps2/n64

it was just a good exclusive for xbox and what kept xbox on its feet ,

but when you compare it to earlier games especally perfect dark nintendo 64

youll see the big differencial in the amountof content and fun gameplayelements ,

halo doesnt have cheats there is hardly any replayvalue compared to n64s games , like pd or ge or xbox gamesl ike timesplitters 2/3

the point is , thereare better games out there even some were released alot earlier ,

if goldeneye had came out in 2001 on gamecube , ,

with gc visuals ,

im pretty sure that would be the game id play

mariokart64fan

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"] So in other words, bungie makes a good game, other devs try to follow, but fail at it. And this is bungies fault?Sandvichman

Bungie's success obviously had some influence, they made a great game, and other try to follow that way. I'd say that 4 AAA games in the past two generations is pretty good if you ask me.

Doom invented deathmatch. Quake 1 made online popular. Half-Life introduced cinematic scripted campaign.

What did Halo? Rechargable shields? Lol, that's not the same league as the games above.

Halo influenced the success of the Xbox, the Xbox probably would never had been so popular had Halo never existed. Think about it, after Halo came out everyone wanted an Xbox because the Xbox finally had a great game, Master Chief is like Microsoft's Mario or Sony's, well I don't really know what Sony's flagship franchise is, maybe Crash Bandicoot or God of War. I have a book on how the Xbox became so popular, it is called Opening the Xbox, I haven't really read a whole lot because I have a lot of other books to read but it does mention that the Xbox was Microsoft's answer to the sudden popularity in home gaming consoles, they came up with a system, sold it to the world, and it didn't really get popular until Halo game out. The book even mentions Halo specificly and how Microsoft made a deal with Bungie, it's pretty interesting.