Ignore the influence of Halo?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="dr_octagon"]

DOOM copied Wolfenstein, Quake copied DOOM, and Half - Life copied Quake and added some new features. HL isn't exaclty original either.

dr_octagon

Yeah, you're right...HL added a crowbar.

Not to mention the gunplay is different, the puzzles, the fact that there's an actual story, that it wasn't big because of awesome the multiplayer was, etc. Quake and Half-Life are not all that similar....

[QUOTE="dr_octagon"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Building on the established is natural. But if you think Half-Life plays the way Quake does... I don't agree.DarkLink77

Yeah, you're right...HL added a crowbar.

Not to mention the gunplay is different, the puzzles, the fact that there's an actual story, that it wasn't big because of awesome the multiplayer was, etc. Quake and Half-Life are not all that similar....

I'll give you that, but Counter Strike's MP was waaaay better than HLs.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="gammon56"] How is it a bad thing? All I ever see is fanboys commenting on how Halo is bad but, never say why.ActicEdge

There are so many halo clones that even the game that started it now feels generic

What console shooters were more complex than Halo before it came out?

unreal tournament for ps2 and rainbow six for dreamcast....all pre 2001(xbox) and were very much like the pc versions...and definately more complex.....rainbow six sucked when they built if for 360 and ported it to pc (vegas vegas 2) halo has nothing on these games (except story) just try and say that rainbow six is easier or less complex than halo....

Things Halo influenced or innovated:

Regenerating health.

actually decent console fps controls.

2 weapon limit.

1 button grenade.

How many consoles fps's do you know that don't use these nowadays? Even Crysis has a weapon carrying limit and regenerating health.

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

toast_burner

Things Halo influenced or innovated:

Regenerating health.

actually decent console fps controls.

2 weapon limit.

1 button grenade.

How many consoles fps's do you know that don't use these nowadays? Even Crysis has a weapon carrying limit and regenerating health.

Vaasman

You might have a point with regenerating health and possibly a grenade button (not sure on this) but there were definitely FPS on consoles before Halo that controlled quite well (and used a similar control scheme) and others that limited your weapons.

The only who deny are Cows, Halo : CE came out 8 years ago, Playstation has yet to match an Exclusive FPS that Rivals Halo. Pre emptive LMAO for anyone who mentions KZ2 :lol:

Ultra_Combo

Halos crap now, its done nothing but do downhill since CE, killzone on the other hand, has went more forward in one game than halo has accross3.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Things Halo influenced or innovated:

Regenerating health.

actually decent console fps controls.

2 weapon limit.

1 button grenade.

How many consoles fps's do you know that don't use these nowadays? Even Crysis has a weapon carrying limit and regenerating health.

asylumni

You might have a point with regenerating health and possibly a grenade button (not sure on this) but there were definitely FPS on consoles before Halo that controlled quite well (and used a similar control scheme) and others that limited your weapons.

Unless you'd like to name one before halo that controlled as well?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="dr_octagon"]

Yeah, you're right...HL added a crowbar.

dr_octagon

Not to mention the gunplay is different, the puzzles, the fact that there's an actual story, that it wasn't big because of awesome the multiplayer was, etc. Quake and Half-Life are not all that similar....

I'll give you that, but Counter Strike's MP was waaaay better than HLs.

Halo was the first console shooter that really worked, now console shooters are more popular than pc shooters, there's influence for ya. If you deny that fact, just look at the sales of Modern Warfare 2. Also Halo made Major League gaming waay more popular.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Things Halo influenced or innovated:

Regenerating health.

actually decent console fps controls.

2 weapon limit.

1 button grenade.

How many consoles fps's do you know that don't use these nowadays? Even Crysis has a weapon carrying limit and regenerating health.

Vaasman

You might have a point with regenerating health and possibly a grenade button (not sure on this) but there were definitely FPS on consoles before Halo that controlled quite well (and used a similar control scheme) and others that limited your weapons.

Unless you'd like to name one before halo that controlled as well?

Well, let's see...

Unreal Tournament

Timesplitters

Quake III Revolution

Red Faction

;)

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

oldkingallant

'Almost all.' Except for Halo.

halo is the most original, influencial, and important game ever made. every game made after halo 1 was inspired by halo the the xbox. FPS before halo were like caveman carvings and halo was like an xbox playing halo. Every FPS before and after owes everything to halo.

chicagodon

I lol'd.

[QUOTE="chicagodon"]

halo is the most original, influencial, and important game ever made. every game made after halo 1 was inspired by halo the the xbox. FPS before halo were like caveman carvings and halo was like an xbox playing halo. Every FPS before and after owes everything to halo.

Pug-Nasty

I lol'd.

woah....how did every fps before halo get influenced by halo? im pretty sure that half life and rainbow 6 and quake 3 arena and the such were excellent game BEFORE halo was built......

halo is the most original, influencial, and important game ever made. every game made after halo 1 was inspired by halo the the xbox. FPS before halo were like caveman carvings and halo was like an xbox playing halo. Every FPS before and after owes everything to halo.

chicagodon

Didn't take long for all the haters to show up. Anyways while all exclusives get a lot of flack by the fanboys of the competition, Halo's hatred in System Wars is unique mainly because it is mainly because it is the main reason why the Xbox brand exists. Without it, Xbox would have gone the way of the Dreamcast or even the Pippin.

And why do people call it generic? The same reason why people call games overrated, garbage, developed by Osama Bin Laden, etc.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Because its influence has been highly detrimental to the FPS genre in that it introduced elements into the genre that have been poorly integrated into other games that attempt to imitate it... and has caused the over-saturation of the genre with "generic" shooters that attempt to copy Halo's success. Halo is definitely a "generic" shooter, but at least in its case, this isn't a bad thing, as it has a high level of polish... but it hasn't introduced anything "new" or "innovative" to the genre.

DarkLink77

That's a horrible reason to deny Halo's influence.

Many people feel HL2 set the bar for story-telling in an FPS. Yet today, we have tons of FPS's that fail to deliver with their storytelling. Hell, Halo is one of them. Are we to say HL2 hasn't had influence either?

Again, I got to call bull. Nearly every FPS tries to have an epic and thrilling campaign. It's the nature of the business - unless you're making a dedicated multiplayer gamer ala L4D, MAG, or Shadowrun. If you're FPS has a campaign, it's going to have narrative. It's going to have set pieces. It's going to be cinematic - or at least attempt to in some way.

That's what HL2 did for the genre. It pushed storytelling in FPS's ahead, and so anything released now that ignores HL's looks like a step backward. Now, very few games can deliver a campaign as good as HL2's but no one tries to say HL2 didn't influence the genre.

Saying Halo didn't influence the genre because other developers are copying and failing - and then turning a blind eye to the same scenario happening with Half-Life- screams bias. I'll admit Halo is not revolutionary - I'll even admit it could be argued it has no influence. But the argument that it's influence is negated because its "bad" is laughable and exists to discredit Halo and only Halo.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

gammon56

recharging healthbars,that right there is a bad thing especially when they start putting it on what were at one point serious fps games like rainbow 6,apart from that i cant think of anything else new it brought to the table,there older games that limited amount of guns you can carry,older games that allowed you to throw nades without having to select them as seperate weapons.Older games had incorperated vehicles into the game.Hell they even admitted the plot(if it can be called that)was taken from a old novel

Why do people on sw attempt to ignore the influence of Halo on modern fps's? And why do people call it generic?

gammon56

Halo CE had it's influence on modern FPS games with it's controls and some of the game mechanics. But it's influence is highly overrated compared to that of Doom, Quake and Half-Life games. Sadly, lemmings tend to praise Halo for being the most innovative FPS while forgetting the real pioneers.

The people who say Halo had no influence are just as bad as the ones who think it redefined gaming.

Yes Halo had influence, just minor influence though.

Things Halo influenced or innovated:

Regenerating health.

actually decent console fps controls.

2 weapon limit.

1 button grenade.

How many consoles fps's do you know that don't use these nowadays? Even Crysis has a weapon carrying limit and regenerating health.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] and gears copied killswitch.toast_burner

I'll give gears a pass because there wernt many games like it before, and uncharted was aimed at perfecting and merging already existing concepts into one game.

P.S influence doesn't mean invented so lets get back on topic

Halo CE had it's influence on modern FPS games with it's controls and some of the game mechanics. But it's influence is highly overrated compared to that of Doom, Quake and Half-Life games. Sadly, lemmings tend to praise Halo for being the most innovative FPS while forgetting the real pioneers.

Orchid87

[QUOTE="gammon56"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

YoJim8obaJoe

recharging healthbars,that right there is a bad thing especially when they start putting it on what were at one point serious fps games like rainbow 6,apart from that i cant think of anything else new it brought to the table,there older games that limited amount of guns you can carry,older games that allowed you to throw nades without having to select them as seperate weapons.Older games had incorperated vehicles into the game.Hell they even admitted the plot(if it can be called that)was taken from a old novel

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Things Halo influenced or innovated:

Regenerating health.

actually decent console fps controls.

2 weapon limit.

1 button grenade.

How many consoles fps's do you know that don't use these nowadays? Even Crysis has a weapon carrying limit and regenerating health.

historyofmagic

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] Whta do you expect, for devs to make awesome innovations the whole time? Why should i give a rats ass if halo copied something from X game?Sandvichman

I'll give gears a pass because there wernt many games like it before, and uncharted was aimed at perfecting and merging already existing concepts into one game.

P.S influence doesn't mean invented so lets get back on topic

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Golden Eye and Perfect Dark had more influence than Halo. Orchid87

Doom, Quake and Half-Life had more influence than 007, PD or Halo.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Yes I do expect devs to make innovations in their games.

I'll give gears a pass because there wernt many games like it before, and uncharted was aimed at perfecting and merging already existing concepts into one game.

P.S influence doesn't mean invented so lets get back on topic

toast_burner

Funny, uncharted didn't feel like a fresh experience from uncharted 2.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"] So what did bungie do? You are honestly telling me that bungie has not tried to perfect their formula, and that it's merely copying, but somehow Naughy Dog gets a free pas because they did the same thing, hypocricy at it's best. Sandvichman

Funny, uncharted didn't feel like a fresh experience from uncharted 2.

To be cool you have to bash whats popular so that you can be one of the cool kids, but there is a dilemma in this, there are two completely different meanings to this ongoing fad. Some things like the Wii are popular because there overtly simple and generic, and draw in a market of non gamers, but to real gamers its crap. hardcore die hard nintendo fans who would still support them if there next system were a toaster, and when they hear people bash nintendo, they think its because there trying to be in the aformentioned "cool kids" group, but its really because its a garbage system that moved gaming drastically backwards in the completely wrong direction. Then there are games like World of warcraft and Halo which are popular specifically because they are amazing games (there popularity is very much waranted, and there influence on other games have been rightly strong), two of the best there respective genres have ever seen, and here is where we see "lost" gamers bashing good games because they want to be cool. Try not to get the two different angles mixed up.

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] I never said uncharted was an influence :|. also halo didnt do what uncharted 2 did (combine already existing concepts, making a fresh experience)toast_burner

Funny, uncharted didn't feel like a fresh experience from uncharted 2.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because the influence it brought is a bad thing

RichardStallman

\Wii are popular because there overtly simple and generic,

chrion133

The reason for its success is how it broke free of traditional console audiences, in a more dramatic way than any gaming system before it.

popular specifically because they are amazing games

chrion133

Gamers complain about either game for a variety of reasons, its not a matter of people hating out of popularity, rather when a games popularity surges opinions of it become more vocal; be it praise or criticism it comes with the growing numbers.

Things Halo influenced or innovated:

Regenerating health.

actually decent console fps controls.

2 weapon limit.

1 button grenade.

How many consoles fps's do you know that don't use these nowadays? Even Crysis has a weapon carrying limit and regenerating health.

Vaasman

Halo CE's influence comes primarily from its execution, pacing and design structure. Things like the recharging health, melee, and grenades are design features that have had *huge influence*; which also fit with the pacing and structure of the game.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Funny, uncharted didn't feel like a fresh experience from uncharted 2.

Sandvichman