IGN's Matt C talks 3rd party Wii woes.

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

But then again, Carnival Games still sold more than MH2.

Gunraidan

And?

Carnival Games sucked and it scored a 4.5 here. Manhunt 2 also sucked but not as bad as Carnival Games but it didn't sell as well as Carnival Games. My point was that some advertisment does help a game sell.

So what's happening is that people aren't buying it because develoepers won't make it.

Like if there was a killer Bioshock quality game fo the Wii, people would buy it, people would buy the Wii...

However because develpers don't do it, they won't do it?

So basicaly they just need to do it...

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

They don't, so get their attention.
This problem has come up 20 times and nobody ever mentions some possible solution. Meanwhile its effects are increasing exponentially with the wii's succes. That's why i'm just flinging words here. Something has to be done about it.

Gunraidan

You're right. Right now I'm going to print of out flyers saying buy No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki because they got high scores by reviewers and super glue them to everyone's windshield on their car.

So what's happening is that people aren't buying it because develoepers won't make it.

Like if there was a killer Bioshock quality game fo the Wii, people would buy it, people would buy the Wii...

However because develpers don't do it, they won't do it?

So basicaly they just need to do it...

GundamGuy0

WHy would you buy such an epic game for Wii if you can get it in 360, pc or PS3 with far better graphics, sound and online capabilities. Doesnt make any sense...

Shouldn't shock anyone..Nintendo has always been know to have weak 3rd party support.Heil68

All thanks to N64.

Carnival Games sucked and it scored a 4.5 here. Manhunt 2 also sucked but not as bad as Carnival Games but it didn't sell as well as Carnival Games. My point was that some advertisment does help a game sell.

FireEmblem_Man

If we're going by scores. Manhunt 2 only got .5 higher then Carnival Games according to Gamerankings.

WHy would you buy such an epic game for Wii if you can get it in 360, pc or PS3 with far better graphics, sound and online capabilities. Doesnt make any sense...

cosmicmouse

#1 The controller can offer unique gameplay. With a Resident Evil game for example you can pick up and set baracades, nails windows shut, climb up walls and railings, etc.

#2 Most game genres outside of the Shooter and RTS doesn't need a lot of cutting edge tech.

Games will come. Third parties just have to realize that unlike the 360 or PS3, which has a fairly homogenous audience, the Wii's audience is very diverse, and no one style of game will appeal to everyone. Just look at most of the 360's or PS3's high profile games, and you'll see that most of them are either M-rated action games (if they're new IPs) or, if they are T-rated, then they are part of huge and well established franchises.

With the Wii, developers have to realize that the Wii's audience is more diverse. The Wii has proven that it can support a diverse library, but the problem is that developers aren't diverse. They've pigeon-holed themselves into thinking that good games can only be of a specific style or theme. That kind of thinking doesn't fly with a mainstream audience.

mjarantilla

So what is going to make those third party publishers realize that the Wii can support the development of dark M-rated games if nobody is willing to publish a single one?

The closest thing the coming Wii lineup has to a game like that, besides No More Heroes, is Disaster, and maybe the House of the Dead remakes. If NMH doesn't sell really well, what's going to change the situation from the one Matt described in his blog? If nobody gives these games a chance, they will never exist.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

So what's happening is that people aren't buying it because develoepers won't make it.

Like if there was a killer Bioshock quality game fo the Wii, people would buy it, people would buy the Wii...

However because develpers don't do it, they won't do it?

So basicaly they just need to do it...

cosmicmouse

WHy would you buy such an epic game for Wii if you can get it in 360, pc or PS3 with far better graphics, sound and online capabilities. Doesnt make any sense...

2 reasons i can think of #1 wii has alot of non gamers its not shock they dont play many games #2 most 3 party games are trash so the core gamers only touch nintendo games.deadmeat59

So what is going to make those third party publishers realize that the Wii can support the development of dark M-rated games if nobody is willing to publish a single one?

The closest thing the coming Wii lineup has to a game like that, besides No More Heroes, is Disaster, and maybe the House of the Dead remakes. If NMH doesn't sell really well, what's going to change the situation from the one Matt described in his blog? If nobody gives these games a chance, they will never exist.

sonicmj1

Tales of Symphonia 2

Monster Hunter 3

are some games catered to the hardcore that are coming out for the Wii that have potential to sell well.

Also Final Fantasy CC and Dragon Quest Swords are coming out. Yes they aren't the real deal but if a spin-off sells well then that can lead to a true sequel. Such as what happened on the DS with Rocket Slime and Joker selling so well it lead to X, or on the Wii with Trauma Center Second Opinion selling so well it lead to New Blood.

Actually Square-Enix recently stated that the Wii will be their main platform in the console arena.

In terms of "M" Rated games I doubt they ever will. The Nintendo userbase unlike the Microsoft or SONY doesn't have those Micheal Bay urgers to get into Hollywood on a disc. Even on the DS there are few "M" games.

Personally I don't care you could say the same with how the 360 and PS3 lack quality "E", "E+10" , and "T" games that aren't associated with sports.

So what is going to make those third party publishers realize that the Wii can support the development of dark M-rated games if nobody is willing to publish a single one?

The closest thing the coming Wii lineup has to a game like that, besides No More Heroes, is Disaster, and maybe the House of the Dead remakes. If NMH doesn't sell really well, what's going to change the situation from the one Matt described in his blog? If nobody gives these games a chance, they will never exist.

sonicmj1

Porting Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas to Wii and doing a good job with the controls would help a lot I bet.

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

Carnival Games sucked and it scored a 4.5 here. Manhunt 2 also sucked but not as bad as Carnival Games but it didn't sell as well as Carnival Games. My point was that some advertisment does help a game sell.

Gunraidan

If we're going by scores. Manhunt 2 only got .5 higher then Carnival Games according to Gamerankings.

Either way they still sucked. But still Manhunt 2 didn't sell well at all.

Want to know the reason behind the third party woes on the Wii?

A year and a half ago, the Wii had virtually NO support from third-party devs. Console devs wrote it off as a gimmick that wouldn't even sell as well as the GC. EA even abandoned the Wii. That was just a year and a half ago. People were doubting the Wii all of '07, saying it would eventually slow down.... it hasn't. Do you think third-parties don't notice that?

Why do you think Rock Band is coming to the Wii when it wasn't originally planned for release on Nintendo's new console? Third-parties follow the money, and right now, there is a ton of money to be made with the Wii.

A year and a half, and look how far the support has come. It is bound to get better.

Either way they still sucked. But still Manhunt 2 didn't sell well at all.

FireEmblem_Man

I seriously don't get what you're trying to make out of this.

Not only did this game flop on all platforms but it just flatout sucked.

So what does Manhunt 2 flopping on all platforms have significance to this topic?

Want to know the reason behind the third party woes on the Wii?

A year and a half ago, the Wii had virtually NO support from third-party devs. Console devs wrote it off as a gimmick that wouldn't even sell as well as the GC. EA even abandoned the Wii. That was just a year and a half ago. People were doubting the Wii all of '07, saying it would eventually slow down.... it hasn't. Do you think third-parties don't notice that?

Why do you think Rock Band is coming to the Wii when it wasn't originally planned for release on Nintendo's new console? Third-parties follow the money, and right now, there is a ton of money to be made with the Wii.

A year and a half, and look how far the support has come. It is bound to get better.

i_like_pizza

They won't listen to you. Don't bother.

Though Rock Band Wii was pretty much confirmed in April.

[QUOTE="Kekira"][QUOTE="X_Evo"][QUOTE="JayPee89"]

This guy is the biggest sheep on the internet, so if he says it's a problem, it's a problem. How do you guys feel about his take on the situation?

Link

Yours_is_green

I don't think I have heard sheep ever say Nintendo doesn't have a problem with third parties not trying at the moment? Nintendo could bring the seal back .. but that might limit the games they get from third parties even if most at the moment are crap.

I have heard sheep arguing that the Wii has plenty of mature games, they'd been making posts with pictures almost all of last year when Cows and Lems said that the crappy games are what sell.

Mature game does not always equal good game. I can't believe i still have to say this.

Did I say that? No I did not, by crappy games, I mean games that are not good, like LAIR (IMO).

I think the problem is that everyone seems to have made up their minds about what Wii owners want and don't want. Apparently all we want are minigames because we bought one or two minigame collections. Guess what, most people only need 1 or 2 minigame collections. We bought Resident Evil 4 and RE:UC in large numbers, but apparently it was just name recognition, we thought these games would be minigame collections as well. We didn't buy Manhunt 2, not because it wasn't very good, but because it wasn't a casual game. 360 owners buy Guitar Hero games because they are fun, hardcore games that have punishing difficulty levels. Wii owners apparently buy GH3 in large numbers because we kinda recognize the name.

I agree with the article but it mainly seems to be telling us that the only 3rd party games that are selling well are the big budget, good brand recognition, well advertised games (and one reasonably well advertised, low budget mini game collection). This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Capcom spent $20 million dollars advertising Lost Planet, I would be surprised if they spent $20 advertising Zack and Wiki.

[QUOTE="Kekira"][QUOTE="aliasfreak"]

[QUOTE="Kekira"]Cows and Lems have been saying these very things about the Wii since its release.Ontain

So? Doesn't mean it isn't an issue.

I brought it up because most sheep will never admit this, really it's always been like this for Nintendo and it's only an issue to people who aren't that into Nintendo's first-party. But I say it because before when cows and lems brought it up, sheep would retaliate saying that Nintendo had plenty of good thrid-party games when it was still considerably weaker in tat department than the competition. For some, it's not an issue, for others it is.

always. not in the nes or snes days. 3rd party are just scared to think outside the box. they still see nintendo as the GC but now with a larger audience. and that's why they'll stay much lower in sales compared to nintendo. they are creating their own limitations.

Of course, and that's because Nintendo games are what usually sell on Nintendo consoles, while yes Devs aren't helping the situation much, you have to admit that under normal circumstances, if they want their game to sell MS or Sony is te way to go.

They won't listen to you. Don't bother.

Though Rock Band Wii was pretty much confirmed in April.

Gunraidan

Wow, I completely missed that. I usually just keep track of release dates, and until just recently, I have never seen a tentative release date for Rock Band Wii. The Cows and Lems claimed it as uber-pwnage over the sheep, too, that they would get the best rhythm game and sheep wouldn't.

This guy is the biggest sheep on the internet, so if he says it's a problem, it's a problem. How do you guys feel about his take on the situation?

Link

JayPee89

Great article and it shows why the industry is a bunch of morons.

Someone makes a game they all think is great, but they won't put it on the Wii because it is untested. Except for those M games that did sell well, in which case they make excuses as to why it won't apply to them and doesn't count. Instead they put a bunch of crap on the system...because they look at the sales and see a bunch of crap selling. But when their crap gets burried and doesn't sell then they make excuses that people don't WANT good, M rated games because they only buy Nintendo games...except those M rated non-Nintendo games which don't count of course.

The levels of idiocy in their thinking is rivalled only by the levels of hell itself. Just make a damn game that is good and release it. Don't try to psychoanalyze who YOU think is or isn't going to buy the game. If you have a great game for the WIi, release it for the Wii, and ADVERTISE and HYPE it if you are excited about it. Don't just quietly dump it on the system then wonder why nobody knows about it and therefore doesn't buy it.

I seriously don't get what you're trying to make out of this.

Not only did this game flop on all platforms but it just flatout sucked.

So what does Manhunt 2 flopping on all platforms have significance to this topic?

Gunraidan

I was using manhunt 2 and carnival games as an example of third party sales and advertisment. Carnival games had a commercial that everyone took notice, Manhunt 2 didn't. How do these game sell? Advertisment, that is what I'm trying to say. A lot of 3rd party companies have been complaining that there games won't sell on the Wii because of Nintendo's first party games. I've been saying if 3rd party's put effort on there games, then they should put effort on advertising the game. Much like Zack & Wiki. Even though Manhunt 2 was terrible, take 2 had trouble trying to get it into the market since that AO fiasco. But another take 2 game sold more than Manhunt 2 which is carnival games.

I kind of got carried away there.

Games will come. Third parties just have to realize that unlike the 360 or PS3, which has a fairly homogenous audience, the Wii's audience is very diverse, and no one style of game will appeal to everyone. Just look at most of the 360's or PS3's high profile games, and you'll see that most of them are either M-rated action games (if they're new IPs) or, if they are T-rated, then they are part of huge and well established franchises.

With the Wii, developers have to realize that the Wii's audience is more diverse. The Wii has proven that it can support a diverse library, but the problem is that developers aren't diverse. They've pigeon-holed themselves into thinking that good games can only be of a specific style or theme. That kind of thinking doesn't fly with a mainstream audience.

mjarantilla

That's not true ((for PS3 anyway, can't speak for 360)), every system has a variety of audiences, it's not a matter of everyone liking ONE thing (as what you just said about the PS3 and 360 audience could be said for Wii owners with minigames), it's a matter of the major audience. Right now it seems that the Wii's major audience (going by software sales) is minigames (not to say all of them are bad), that is the audience that seems to contribute the most sales for the Wii. The PS3 right now doesn't have uch to compare, but there is a wide variety of things selling altough some of the best sellers are war games, for the 360 it still appears to be the console for shooters.

Of course, and that's because Nintendo games are what usually sell on Nintendo consoles, while yes Devs aren't helping the situation much, you have to admit that under normal circumstances, if they want their game to sell MS or Sony is te way to go.

Kekira

I disagree actually. if they want a game to sell on the wii the have to at least give it as much advertising and development time as they would for even a ps2 games in it's prime.. they haven't.

That's not true ((for PS3 anyway, can't speak for 360)), every system has a variety of audiences, it's not a matter of everyone liking ONE thing (as what you just said about the PS3 and 360 audience could be said for Wii owners with minigames), it's a matter of the major audience. Right now it seems that the Wii's major audience (going by software sales) is minigames (not to say all of them are bad), that is the audience that seems to contribute the most sales for the Wii. The PS3 right now doesn't have uch to compare, but there is a wide variety of things selling altough some of the best sellers are war games, for the 360 it still appears to be the console for shooters.

Kekira

First off minigames aren't the best selling titles on the Wii. Only Wii Play, Big Brain have sold really well. Carnival Games hasn't even broke a half a million.

Second off the PS3 isn't really doing much so I can't comment. I think that's a flaw in majarillas post that I didn't get.

Tales of Symphonia 2

Monster Hunter 3

are some games catered to the hardcore that are coming out for the Wii that have potential to sell well.

Also Final Fantasy CC and Dragon Quest Swords are coming out. Yes they aren't the real deal but if a spin-off sells well then that can lead to a true sequel. Such as what happened on the DS with Rocket Slime and Joker selling so well it lead to X, or on the Wii with Trauma Center Second Opinion selling so well it lead to New Blood.

Actually Square-Enix recently stated that the Wii will be their main platform in the console arena.

In terms of "M" Rated games I doubt they ever will. The Nintendo userbase unlike the Microsoft or SONY doesn't have those Micheal Bay urgers to get into Hollywood on a disc. Even on the DS there are few "M" games.

Personally I don't care you could say the same with how the 360 and PS3 lack quality "E", "E+10" , and "T" games that aren't associated with sports.

Gunraidan

Those weren't really the games I was talking about. They might spur a trend if they do well, though. The M-rated kinds of titles seem to be the ones in the most trouble, though, and they don't have to be. But if publishers never make titles like that, then more will never come about.

Porting Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas to Wii and doing a good job with the controls would help a lot I bet.

umcommon

Do you really think that's going to happen, especially after how poorly Manhunt 2 did?

[QUOTE="Kekira"]

Of course, and that's because Nintendo games are what usually sell on Nintendo consoles, while yes Devs aren't helping the situation much, you have to admit that under normal circumstances, if they want their game to sell MS or Sony is te way to go.

Ontain

I disagree actually. if they want a game to sell on the wii the have to at least give it as much advertising and development time as they would for even a ps2 games in it's prime.. they haven't.

I agree on the advertising part, but considering that the Wii audience seems to be made mostly of people who aren't into gaming as many here on gamespot are and are pretty ignorant or ill-informed on gaming news, it'd take more advertising for the Wii than it would for the PS3 and 360, especially for a new IP or games that require time to play, time that many people don't have nowadays. That's likely the main reason why many buy the Wii, it has a greater amount of pick up and play games that do not require too much patience to play. That's not to say it doesn't have any challenging games, I'm sure it does, but these games are vastly overshadowed by these other titles.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Games will come. Third parties just have to realize that unlike the 360 or PS3, which has a fairly homogenous audience, the Wii's audience is very diverse, and no one style of game will appeal to everyone. Just look at most of the 360's or PS3's high profile games, and you'll see that most of them are either M-rated action games (if they're new IPs) or, if they are T-rated, then they are part of huge and well established franchises.

With the Wii, developers have to realize that the Wii's audience is more diverse. The Wii has proven that it can support a diverse library, but the problem is that developers aren't diverse. They've pigeon-holed themselves into thinking that good games can only be of a specific style or theme. That kind of thinking doesn't fly with a mainstream audience.

Kekira

That's not true ((for PS3 anyway, can't speak for 360)), every system has a variety of audiences, it's not a matter of everyone liking ONE thing (as what you just said about the PS3 and 360 audience could be said for Wii owners with minigames), it's a matter of the major audience. Right now it seems that the Wii's major audience (going by software sales) is minigames (not to say all of them are bad), that is the audience that seems to contribute the most sales for the Wii. The PS3 right now doesn't have uch to compare, but there is a wide variety of things selling altough some of the best sellers are war games, for the 360 it still appears to be the console for shooters.

Show me the PS3's diversity, then, because the only game I can think of that doesn't fit the action game mold is R&C, and that's an old and well-established franchise. As for the Wii, where's your proof that minigames sell better on the Wii than other genres?

Cows and Lems have been saying these very things about the Wii since its release.Kekira

yes.

funny that it's only now that people start seeing the sovelware reality. I've been talking about it since BEFORE it launched. 3rd party devs are just not committed to putting their best talent on Wii projects. They can't, because the other 3 systems demand so much skill to make something good on. So they put the 2nd tier bench-warmers on Wii stuff.

And you get crap.

Do you really think that's going to happen, especially after how poorly Manhunt 2 did?

sonicmj1

Manhunt 2 did poorly on the PS2...

Manhunt 2 should have no bearing on future Rockstar projects for Wii. They're bringing Bully over.. why not GTA?

[QUOTE="JayPee89"]

This guy is the biggest sheep on the internet, so if he says it's a problem, it's a problem. How do you guys feel about his take on the situation?

Link

X_Evo

I don't think I have heard sheep ever say Nintendo doesn't have a problem with third parties not trying at the moment? Nintendo could bring the seal back .. but that might limit the games they get from third parties even if most at the moment are crap.

I believe the reason Nintendo got rid of the seal in the first place was because it pissed off third parties who wanted to release their crappy games on their system. So those parties decided to move to other systems.

Anyone who isn't an idiot can see this has been a problem since the get go for the Wii, it shouldn't take a IGN Nintendo fanboy for people to realize it's true.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Do you really think that's going to happen, especially after how poorly Manhunt 2 did?

i_like_pizza

Manhunt 2 did poorly on the PS2...

Manhunt 2 should have no bearing on future Rockstar projects for Wii. They're bringing Bully over.. why not GTA?

Exactly, a port of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas would sell like crazy on Wii. If they make a good control system, do a decent amount of advertising, and only charge $29 (come one the game is old) they could easily establish a credible third party base on Wii that is known for making decent games. This exact formula work on the Resident Evil franchise.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Do you really think that's going to happen, especially after how poorly Manhunt 2 did?

i_like_pizza

Manhunt 2 did poorly on the PS2...

Manhunt 2 should have no bearing on future Rockstar projects for Wii. They're bringing Bully over.. why not GTA?

Because they can't, from what I understand, the PS3 and the 360 are vastly superior hardware-wise to the Wii, to port it would take a lot of downgrading. And the PS2 is almost dead by now, it's golden days are gone, so yeah, no one should really expect its games to be selling too well.

Thing is, this is how it's always been with a Nintendo console. Yet, everyone seems to act like this trend just started happening.

Shinno441

A lot of people are hoping that Nintendo would pull it back together like they had thing in the NES and SNES days, back then they had amazing third party support which complemented their first party games. The N64 PS1 and Saturn generation was really a revolution for the industry, so much seemed to change for gaming in the mid nineties.

[QUOTE="Kekira"]Cows and Lems have been saying these very things about the Wii since its release.Dreams-Visions

yes.

funny that it's only now that people start seeing the sovelware reality. I've been talking about it since BEFORE it launched. 3rd party devs are just not committed to putting their best talent on Wii projects. They can't, because the other 3 systems demand so much skill to make something good on. So they put the 2nd tier bench-warmers on Wii stuff.

And you get crap.

I agree on the advertising part, but considering that the Wii audience seems to be made mostly of people who aren't into gaming as many here on gamespot are and are pretty ignorant or ill-informed on gaming news, it'd take more advertising for the Wii than it would for the PS3 and 360, especially for a new IP or games that require time to play, time that many people don't have nowadays. That's likely the main reason why many buy the Wii, it has a greater amount of pick up and play games that do not require too much patience to play. That's not to say it doesn't have any challenging games, I'm sure it does, but these games are vastly overshadowed by these other titles.

Kekira

Capcom blitzed the TV with comercials for Lost Planet. Assassins Creed, COD4, Halo3, all had massive TV presence. Were they wasting their money? PS3 and 360 owners in general are just as uninformed as Wii owners. Massive hype on TV is the only way to reach the mass audience on any system, which is a sad but true fact.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="Kekira"]Cows and Lems have been saying these very things about the Wii since its release.Panzer_Zwei

yes.

funny that it's only now that people start seeing the sovelware reality. I've been talking about it since BEFORE it launched. 3rd party devs are just not committed to putting their best talent on Wii projects. They can't, because the other 3 systems demand so much skill to make something good on. So they put the 2nd tier bench-warmers on Wii stuff.

And you get crap.

yes it is true, I wonder what the game he was talking about in the first paragraph was? we'll never know now

He makes so many good pionts that its sad and I feel sorry for the creator of No More Heroes, Suda 51 ( not sure), only signed one game at release date and that was from the jornalist.

Maybe he should port it, I would love to play the game figuring that I can't buy a console anywhere. The hardcore gamers can't get to it hence why sales may be so bad, just a theory

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="Kekira"]Cows and Lems have been saying these very things about the Wii since its release.hayato_

yes.

funny that it's only now that people start seeing the sovelware reality. I've been talking about it since BEFORE it launched. 3rd party devs are just not committed to putting their best talent on Wii projects. They can't, because the other 3 systems demand so much skill to make something good on. So they put the 2nd tier bench-warmers on Wii stuff.

And you get crap.

yes it is true, I wonder what the game he was talking about in the first paragraph was? we'll never know now

He makes so many good pionts that its sad and I feel sorry for the creator of No More Heroes, Suda 51 ( not sure), only signed one game at release date and that was from the jornalist.

Maybe he should port it, I would love to play the game figuring that I can't buy one anywhere. The hardcore gamers can't get to it hence why sales or so bad

No one in Japan play that kind of game, would of been the same on any other console. Plus the lack of advertising and pablicity doesn't help.

[QUOTE="Kekira"]

I agree on the advertising part, but considering that the Wii audience seems to be made mostly of people who aren't into gaming as many here on gamespot are and are pretty ignorant or ill-informed on gaming news, it'd take more advertising for the Wii than it would for the PS3 and 360, especially for a new IP or games that require time to play, time that many people don't have nowadays. That's likely the main reason why many buy the Wii, it has a greater amount of pick up and play games that do not require too much patience to play. That's not to say it doesn't have any challenging games, I'm sure it does, but these games are vastly overshadowed by these other titles.

actionquake

Capcom blitzed the TV with comercials for Lost Planet. Assassins Creed, COD4, Halo3, all had massive TV presence. Were they wasting their money? PS3 and 360 owners in general are just as uninformed as Wii owners. Massive hype on TV is the only way to reach the mass audience on any system, which is a sad but true fact.

I am not sure about the sales of Lost Planet, Assassin's Creed, and COD4, but using Halo3 isn't a great example. Just like many Mario games, that game is almost garaunteed to sell well, i selled extremely well because of the advertising but we all knew it would sell well, afterall that was the game that got many to buy a 360 early on way before it even had a set release date.

I am not sure about the sales of Lost Planet, Assassin's Creed, and COD4, but using Halo3 isn't a great example. Just like many Mario games, that game is almost garaunteed to sell well, i selled extremely well because of the advertising but we all knew it would sell well, afterall that was the game that got many to buy a 360 early on way before it even had a set release date.

Kekira

But they still blitzed the TV with commercials, still had tie-ins with fast food companies etc etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the advertising budget was the same as the cost of the game itself. And you better believe that they spent their money wisely. we'll never know how much it would have sold without the hype machine but it would have been significantly less.

some of those games are great and many are missing out on those games, but the other truth is that the graphics suck on a HD screen.

A.I. physics, effects, etc. will never be on par with PS3 and 360...

i will buy no more heroes, because i can look past that, but i'm also having some difficulty with it.

The wii is Next gen in game controls and philosophy, but last gen in technical areas. If the Wii had the same power as 3600 asn Ps3, it would probably be my first choice.

some of those games are great and many are missing out on those games, but the other truth is that the graphics suck on a HD screen.

A.I. physics, effects, etc. will never be on par with PS3 and 360...

i will buy no more heroes, because i can look past that, but i'm also having some difficulty with it.

The wii is Next gen in game controls and philosophy, but last gen in technical areas. If the Wii had the same power as 3600 asn Ps3, it would probably be my first choice.

Always-Honest

AI and physics are the hardest things to show tangible improvement with, at least insofar as they affect the game experience. Human perception is notoriously gullible when it comes to judging the quality of things like AI and physics.

[QUOTE="Kekira"]

I am not sure about the sales of Lost Planet, Assassin's Creed, and COD4, but using Halo3 isn't a great example. Just like many Mario games, that game is almost garaunteed to sell well, i selled extremely well because of the advertising but we all knew it would sell well, afterall that was the game that got many to buy a 360 early on way before it even had a set release date.

actionquake

But they still blitzed the TV with commercials, still had tie-ins with fast food companies etc etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the advertising budget was the same as the cost of the game itself. And you better believe that they spent their money wisely. we'll never know how much it would have sold without the hype machine but it would have been significantly less.

Ok but what is your point? Are you trying to combat my quote where I said that tey likely have to advertise more on the Wii than on the 360 or PS3? That quote proves nothing as Halo 3 is a high profile game for the 360.

i'm used to this situation

apart from the odd 3rd party game (RE4 last gen, Okami this gen) i buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games

as long as quality 1st party games keep coming, i'll be happy .. i have a 360 for major multiplats

but 100% sheep might be a little concerned

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some of those games are great and many are missing out on those games, but the other truth is that the graphics suck on a HD screen.

A.I. physics, effects, etc. will never be on par with PS3 and 360...

i will buy no more heroes, because i can look past that, but i'm also having some difficulty with it.

The wii is Next gen in game controls and philosophy, but last gen in technical areas. If the Wii had the same power as 3600 asn Ps3, it would probably be my first choice.

mjarantilla

AI and physics are the hardest things to show tangible improvement with, at least insofar as they affect the game experience. Human perception is notoriously gullible when it comes to judging the quality of things like AI and physics.

I don't know why the hell people keep saying A.I. and Physics are important.

Not only does pretty much every genre not benefit from them aside from the Shooter, Simluation, and RTS genre (possibly very few others).

But extremely few games utilize them to actually change their gameplay (Little Big Planet and Dead Rising for example).