IGN's Matt C talks 3rd party Wii woes.
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Nintendo brought it on themselves. They put too much of a casual focus on the console and dowplayed graphics leading to tons of shovelware. It should have been like the DS, it ended up just another crappy nintendo systemthe_h_bomb
In my opinion its the other way around, third party devs brought it on themselves. The reason third partys haven't been able to capture nearly as much success as Nintendo's first party games is because they simply haven't developed many games that make people want to buy a console. Resident Evil 4 (even though its old) and Guitar Hero 3 are serious console pushers and guess what, they sell very well on the Wii. Both games were also well marketed too and had commercials, the RE:4 commercial for Wii was sweet. Even if the commercial is on the air for only a week or two it get the games name out there to the general public and makes a huge difference.
When I say it's a problem I get yelled at. When Matt C says there's a problem, then the sheep finally say there's a problem. No points for me for calling it out way before him. There's a problem, peoplePhoebusFlows
Thats because every word that you utter is some fanboy dribble, purposely sadi to start a flame war.
Shooters, sims, RTS, as you say. That's a wide range of games right there you're dismissing. Shooters doesn't just include the massive FPS genre, but all other types of shooters as well, most of which benefit from good AI. Aside from that, there are more games where AI is important, any kind of game that has an AI opponent, even racers benefit from good AI.I don't know why the hell people keep saying A.I. and Physics are important.
Not only does pretty much every genre not benefit from them aside from the Shooter, Simluation, and RTS genre (possibly very few others).
But extremely few games utilize them to actually change their gameplay (Little Big Planet and Dead Rising for example).
Regardless of this, I think the Wii can handle the level of A.I. I want from it for the moment. As far as I'm concerned, the wii is the pioneer of the new way to control games, and the pioneer of a broad audience. As important as AI is to me, I'm happy to accept the wii's sub par, but still very good(and better than last gen), AI capabilities, in favour of the strengths of the Wii.
When I say it's a problem I get yelled at. When Matt C says there's a problem, then the sheep finally say there's a problem. No points for me for calling it out way before him. There's a problem, peoplePhoebusFlows
You're a one sided fanboy who thinks that the DS is crap, who the hell cares what you think?
In my opinion its the other way around, third party devs brought it on themselves. The reason third partys haven't been able to capture nearly as much success as Nintendo's first party games is because they simply haven't developed many games that make people want to buy a console. Resident Evil 4 (even though its old) and Guitar Hero 3 are serious console pushers and guess what, they sell very well on the Wii. Both games were also well marketed too and had commercials, the RE:4 commercial for Wii was sweet. Even if the commercial is on the air for only a week or two it get the games name out there to the general public and makes a huge difference.
umcommon
It's a catch 22 situation. Third parties don't think their games will sell. So they pump out shovelware crap and lo-and-behold it doesn't sell. The problem isn't helped by the fact that sheep largely ignore hardcore games. Why aren't you guys buying Metroid Prime? Why did Zack and Wiki bomb? If you guys start buying hardcore, third party games they'll make more. Ifyou don't you'll be playing mario spinoffs for the next 5 years
The difference between the Wii and the DS is the perception. Pretty much every gamer out there owns or wants a DS because it has amazing games. Casuals want it for brain training, gamers want it for Zelda, Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania etc. If you're a gamer who appreciates Nintendo titles but wants a diverse range of experience from a variety of developers across many genres (so you're not a nintendo fanboy) the wii is looking pretty pathetic.
Nintendo brought it on themselves. They put too much of a casual focus on the console and dowplayed graphics leading to tons of shovelware. It should have been like the DS, it ended up just another crappy nintendo systemthe_h_bomb
The DS has more of a casual focus on it with more downplayed graphics as long as a much less stellar first year then the Wii.
It's a catch 22 situation. Third parties don't think their games will sell. So they pump out shovelware crap and lo-and-behold it doesn't sell. The problem isn't helped by the fact that sheep largely ignore hardcore games. Why aren't you guys buying Metroid Prime? Why did Zack and Wiki bomb? If you guys start buying hardcore, third party games they'll make more. Ifyou don't you'll be playing mario spinoffs for the next 5 years
the_h_bomb
I bought Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki just doesn't interest me personally. Zack and Wiki bombed because it got no advertising and looks like a game specifically made for grade schoolers, it could of been popular with that crowd if it would of gotten even a weeks worth of commercials to let people know it even exists.
hooters, sims, RTS, as you say. That's a wide range of games right there you're dismissing. Shooters doesn't just include the massive FPS genre, but all other types of shooters as well, most of which benefit from good AI. Aside from that, there are more games where AI is important, any kind of game that has an AI opponent, even racers benefit from good AI.
Regardless of this, I think the Wii can handle the level of A.I. I want from it for the moment. As far as I'm concerned, the wii is the pioneer of the new way to control games, and the pioneer of a broad audience. As important as AI is to me, I'm happy to accept the wii's sub par, but still very good(and better than last gen), AI capabilities, in favour of the strengths of the Wii.
dem0truk
I am aware of that but what about every other genre?
RPG's don't need good A.I. because JRPG you need to find out your enemies weakness and how to expose their weakness to destory them and in WRPG's enemies are more then often used for grinding; and physics are barely of any use. Action-Adventure games is similar to JRPG's with the bosses you have to find out just how to beat them, and the enemies usually die with a few hits; I can see physics of being of few uses but not much more then what's already done especially with the types of puzzles this genre focus's on. The Platformer genre needs no explanation, I am aware LBP but that's pretty much the only game I can even think of. I could name many more but I just wanted to show where I'm coming from.
In terms of good A.I. on the Wii, Half-Life 1 and Unreal Tournament 2004 still has some of the best A.I. in gaming today. Good A.I. is more so of a talent thing then a tech. thing.
It's a catch 22 situation. Third parties don't think their games will sell. So they pump out shovelware crap and lo-and-behold it doesn't sell. The problem isn't helped by the fact that sheep largely ignore hardcore games. Why aren't you guys buying Metroid Prime? Why did Zack and Wiki bomb? If you guys start buying hardcore, third party games they'll make more. Ifyou don't you'll be playing mario spinoffs for the next 5 yearsThe difference between the Wii and the DS is the perception. Pretty much every gamer out there owns or wants a DS because it has amazing games. Casuals want it for brain training, gamers want it for Zelda, Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania etc. If you're a gamer who appreciates Nintendo titles but wants a diverse range of experience from a variety of developers across many genres (so you're not a nintendo fanboy) the wii is looking pretty pathetic.
the_h_bomb
2 Big things.
#1 The DS had a weaker line-up then the Wii. It had plenty of shovelware and budgeted crap, but the thing is the land of the rising sun kept buying those games until they became bigger and better.
Dragon Quest Rocket Slime and Joker's sales evolved into Dragon Quest IX. Dragon Quest Swords is currently the best selling third party current gen game out, there's no doubt that contributed to Square-Enix putting more focus on the Wii now.
Yoshi's Touch & Go sold really well which led to Yoshi's Island DS
Tales of the Tempest sold well which lead to Tales of Innocence.
If a game sells well developer will in no doubt focus on that game and expand it. If a spin-off sells really well they will for no doubt concider putting a true sequel on the system.
It's already happened with the Trauma Center series, and probably with Square-Enix due to Dragon Quest Swords.
You really think Capcom is going to turn their head away from Resident Evil 4's million selling standpoint as well as Umbrella Chronicles reaching that as well?
#2 The Hardcore's didn't always have the DS. Actually the DS was nothing but a joke when it first came out. It's line-up was unquestionably worse then the Wii's in it's first year. The DS slowly got appealing games because people kept buying what as best on it. Eventually people started to take notice of Secret of Mana, Sonic Rush, New Super Mario Bros. and started buying the system. The Wii is the fastest selling system of all-time, to say that it's limited to only casuals is kind of silly.
#3 As for Metroid Prime 3, it is the second best selling Metroid game of all-time, pretty good for a game that got little advertisement besides word of mouth and Wii Channel Support.
[QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]It's a catch 22 situation. Third parties don't think their games will sell. So they pump out shovelware crap and lo-and-behold it doesn't sell. The problem isn't helped by the fact that sheep largely ignore hardcore games. Why aren't you guys buying Metroid Prime? Why did Zack and Wiki bomb? If you guys start buying hardcore, third party games they'll make more. Ifyou don't you'll be playing mario spinoffs for the next 5 years
umcommon
I bought Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki just doesn't interest me personally. Zack and Wiki bombed because it got no advertising and looks like a game specifically made for grade schoolers, it could of been popular with that crowd if it would of gotten even a weeks worth of commercials to let people know it even exists.
did you ever once believe that maybe the FANBASE is to blame for some of these games not selling?
I just can't stand hearing third parties complain about their games not selling on a Nintendo system because they are the ones that are ultimately bringing that problem on themselves. Here is a tip. Maybe if you actually let you A team make a game that isn't a mini game that has effort put behind it, and actually advertise it, then maybe you would have excellent sales like Nintendo. I really don't understand why they get so mad about their games scoring badly and not selling when they know they half assed them. Then you here them turn around and say "You see. Only Nintendo games sell on the Wii". Well what in tarnation do you expect. Nintendo actually puts effort into most of their games. But it does look like some third parties are putting effort into their games, but they just aren't advertising them which they need to. Hopefully they do what they need to do to get them to sell.
IMO, third party developers just need to do what they are good at and don't worry about what Nintendo is doing. I mean you don't see Nintendo making RPGs or M rated games, and the reason why is because that's not them. I mean copying Nintendo which is what Ubisoft and EA have basically done from the get go have gotten them nowhere. They just need to stick to what they are good at and adapt that to the Wii. Again, what it comes down to is that third parties just need to get over the fact that yes, Nintendo's games do sell well on their own system, and understand that they don't have to outsell Nintendo's games to achieve good sales.
To me, the Wii is not a weak sytem. It is just the lazy third party developers that make the Wii appear weak with their half assed ports and pathetic mini game collections. MP3, SMG, and SSBB prove the Wii is capable of more than what third parties are showing us.
did you ever once believe that maybe the FANBASE is to blame for some of these games not selling?
Sonick54
Metroid Prime 3 sold well for what it was and Zack and Wiki wasn't even advertised. I fail to see where you're going with this.
Third parties need to grow a pair of balls and stop whining about only Nintendo games sell on their system. If third parties would actually put effort into their games instead of half assing them, looking at you Ubisoft and EA, then maybe people would actually buy your games. Seriously how about for once you let your A team make a Wii game instead of your sorry B team. If you go into something thinking negatively (third parties thinking their games won't sell on a Nintendo system, so we'll just half ass what we make), then you are only going to produce negative results (third party crappy games that don't sell crude).
I just can't stand hearing third parties complain about their games not selling on a Nintendo system because they are the ones that are ultimately bringing that problem on themselves. Here is a tip. Maybe if you actually let you A team make a game that isn't a mini game that has effort put behind it, and actually advertise it, then maybe you would have excellent sales like Nintendo. I really don't understand why they get so mad about their games scoring badly and not selling when they know they half assed them. Then you here them turn around and say "You see. Only Nintendo games sell on the Wii". Well what in tarnation do you expect. Nintendo actually puts effort into most of their games. But it does look like some third parties are putting effort into their games, but they just aren't advertising them which they need to. Hopefully they do what they need to do to get them to sell.
IMO, third party developers just need to do what they are good at and don't worry about what Nintendo is doing. I mean you don't see Nintendo making RPGs or M rated games, and the reason why is because that's not them. I mean copying Nintendo which is what Ubisoft and EA have basically done from the get go have gotten them nowhere. They just need to stick to what they are good at and adapt that to the Wii. Again, what it comes down to is that third parties just need to get over the fact that yes, Nintendo's games do sell well on their own system, and understand that they don't have to outsell Nintendo's games to achieve good sales.
To me, the Wii is not a weak sytem. It is just the lazy third party developers that make the Wii appear weak with their half assed ports and pathetic mini game collections. MP3, SMG, and SSBB prove the Wii is capable of more than what third parties are showing us.peaceful_anger
Pretty much. I will admit Nintendo is hard to compete with but, hell unlike the DS they pretty much are giving third parties tons of breaks.
With the Wii's first year, the drought was intended so people would buy third party games. Remember Prime 3 which was ready for launch? Realistically it could've came out at any time but Nintendo waited a while to rank up third party sales. This possibly could've contributed Resident Evil 4 selling well since it was the first Wii game to have the pointer truly utilize gun aiming really well. Smash Bros. was delayed and delayed again. But if it wasn't everybody would've brought two games for Christmas Mario and Smash., Smash's delay could've contributed to Guitar Hero III selling so well on the Wii to filling the void of being "that party game". And yet again Smash is delayed could this be due to games hardcore gamers crave like No More Heroes or previous Wii games?
[QUOTE="umcommon"][QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]It's a catch 22 situation. Third parties don't think their games will sell. So they pump out shovelware crap and lo-and-behold it doesn't sell. The problem isn't helped by the fact that sheep largely ignore hardcore games. Why aren't you guys buying Metroid Prime? Why did Zack and Wiki bomb? If you guys start buying hardcore, third party games they'll make more. Ifyou don't you'll be playing mario spinoffs for the next 5 years
Sonick54
I bought Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki just doesn't interest me personally. Zack and Wiki bombed because it got no advertising and looks like a game specifically made for grade schoolers, it could of been popular with that crowd if it would of gotten even a weeks worth of commercials to let people know it even exists.
did you ever once believe that maybe the FANBASE is to blame for some of these games not selling?
Since when are consumers forced to buy something?I can buy whatever I want. It's the companies problem, and should be their main business to convince me "us the consumers" to buy their games.
[QUOTE="umcommon"][QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]It's a catch 22 situation. Third parties don't think their games will sell. So they pump out shovelware crap and lo-and-behold it doesn't sell. The problem isn't helped by the fact that sheep largely ignore hardcore games. Why aren't you guys buying Metroid Prime? Why did Zack and Wiki bomb? If you guys start buying hardcore, third party games they'll make more. Ifyou don't you'll be playing mario spinoffs for the next 5 years
Sonick54
I bought Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki just doesn't interest me personally. Zack and Wiki bombed because it got no advertising and looks like a game specifically made for grade schoolers, it could of been popular with that crowd if it would of gotten even a weeks worth of commercials to let people know it even exists.
did you ever once believe that maybe the FANBASE is to blame for some of these games not selling?
http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=manhunt+&console=&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Last+Updated
Wii version has sold nearly as many with a considerably smaller fanbase, this is all the proof you need. It doesn't matter what console a game is on, if its name isn't out there it wont sell.
The DS has more of a casual focus on it with more downplayed graphics as long as a much less stellar first year then the Wii.
Gunraidan
The DS had nothing like the casual focus of the Wii. When it was released the focus was on titles like catlevania, warioware etc. There were breakout casual hits like Nintendogs and Brain Age but these came later on and they had comparitavely fewer imitators. DS was not marketed as solely a casual machine. Take a look at the ii and the perception is minnigame collections. So it's no surprise that you have so much of them as well as shovelware crap
I bought Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki just doesn't interest me personally. Zack and Wiki bombed because it got no advertising and looks like a game specifically made for grade schoolers, it could of been popular with that crowd if it would of gotten even a weeks worth of commercials to let people know it even exists.
umcommon
Zack and Wiki is kiddy but so is Mario. The graphics are amazing and it is the best console game capcom have made this gen, so why aren't you buying it? It is very diffficult and offers a lot of challenge. when the inferior lost planet can sell a million on the 360 and zack and wiki bombs hard you know you've got a problem
[QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="umcommon"][QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]It's a catch 22 situation. Third parties don't think their games will sell. So they pump out shovelware crap and lo-and-behold it doesn't sell. The problem isn't helped by the fact that sheep largely ignore hardcore games. Why aren't you guys buying Metroid Prime? Why did Zack and Wiki bomb? If you guys start buying hardcore, third party games they'll make more. Ifyou don't you'll be playing mario spinoffs for the next 5 years
Panzer_Zwei
I bought Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki just doesn't interest me personally. Zack and Wiki bombed because it got no advertising and looks like a game specifically made for grade schoolers, it could of been popular with that crowd if it would of gotten even a weeks worth of commercials to let people know it even exists.
did you ever once believe that maybe the FANBASE is to blame for some of these games not selling?
Since when are consumers forced to buy something?I can buy whatever I want. It's the companies problem, and should be their main business to convince me "us the consumers" to buy their games.
where in my post did i say the consumer was FORCED to buy something?
what i mean by the fanbase is to blame is that they don't buy anything other than mini game compilations. that is why devs complain.
[QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="umcommon"][QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]It's a catch 22 situation. Third parties don't think their games will sell. So they pump out shovelware crap and lo-and-behold it doesn't sell. The problem isn't helped by the fact that sheep largely ignore hardcore games. Why aren't you guys buying Metroid Prime? Why did Zack and Wiki bomb? If you guys start buying hardcore, third party games they'll make more. Ifyou don't you'll be playing mario spinoffs for the next 5 years
umcommon
I bought Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki just doesn't interest me personally. Zack and Wiki bombed because it got no advertising and looks like a game specifically made for grade schoolers, it could of been popular with that crowd if it would of gotten even a weeks worth of commercials to let people know it even exists.
did you ever once believe that maybe the FANBASE is to blame for some of these games not selling?
http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=manhunt+&console=&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Last+Updated
Wii version has sold nearly as many with a considerably smaller fanbase, this is all the proof you need. It doesn't matter what console a game is on, if its name isn't out there it wont sell.
weird though.
i see games like wii play and mario party 8, games that had hardly any advertizement sell a hell of a lot better than any third party game on the wii so far
You didn't need to say it, you clearly implied it.where in my post did i say the consumer was FORCED to buy something?
what i mean by the fanbase is to blame is that they don't buy anything other than mini game compilations. that is why devs complain.
Sonick54
And again, the consumers can buy whatever the hell they want. If all their buy is mini games, that's their choice. You can't just whine to them for not buying what you orthe devs think they should be buying.
It it's the gaming company's job to attract consumers.
[QUOTE="umcommon"][QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]It's a catch 22 situation. Third parties don't think their games will sell. So they pump out shovelware crap and lo-and-behold it doesn't sell. The problem isn't helped by the fact that sheep largely ignore hardcore games. Why aren't you guys buying Metroid Prime? Why did Zack and Wiki bomb? If you guys start buying hardcore, third party games they'll make more. Ifyou don't you'll be playing mario spinoffs for the next 5 years
Sonick54
I bought Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki just doesn't interest me personally. Zack and Wiki bombed because it got no advertising and looks like a game specifically made for grade schoolers, it could of been popular with that crowd if it would of gotten even a weeks worth of commercials to let people know it even exists.
did you ever once believe that maybe the FANBASE is to blame for some of these games not selling?
it wasnt advertised at all. What are you suppose to do if you walk into a store, ask for the game, and the employee just looks at you with a blank face, not realizing what the hell your talking about?
That happened to me when i went to go buy Z&W. No one knew of the game, no advertising was put into it. It was destined to bomb from the start, the same way that no more heroes will be a commercial flop due to the same reasons (i pre-ordered it, they didnt even realize that it EXISTED).
[QUOTE="Sonick54"]You didn't need to say it, you clearly implied it.where in my post did i say the consumer was FORCED to buy something?
what i mean by the fanbase is to blame is that they don't buy anything other than mini game compilations. that is why devs complain.
Panzer_Zwei
And again, the consumers can buy whatever the hell they want. If all their buy is mini games, that's their choice. You can't just whine to them for not buying what you orthe devs think they should be buying.
It it's the gaming company's job to attract consumers.
that's the thing, if that's all they buy then why should devs give a damn about wii? might as well go for 360 and ps3, where software ALREADY sells a lot better there anyway.
and of course it's the gaming company's job to advertize. i'm not just blaming the fanbase here.
The DS had nothing like the casual focus of the Wii. When it was released the focus was on titles like catlevania, warioware etc. There were breakout casual hits like Nintendogs and Brain Age but these came later on and they had comparitavely fewer imitators. DS was not marketed as solely a casual machine. Take a look at the ii and the perception is minnigame collections. So it's no surprise that you have so much of them as well as shovelware crapthe_h_bomb
I think it's clearly obvious you did not on a DS.
First of all Warioware is a minigame.
Second of all Castevania didn't come out until late '05.
Nintendo released many more games targeted towards the hardcore gamer during the Wii's first year then the DS's. The only games they released on the DS of that calibur was Mario Kart, Kirby, and Advanced Wars that was it.
The Majority of DS games were amongst Yoshi's Touch and Go, Warioware, and other pick up and playcrap. And as for fewer imitators, I think that statement clearly implies you know absolutely nothing about the Japanese gaming market......at all.
it wasnt advertised at all. What are you suppose to do if you walk into a store, ask for the game, and the employee just looks at you with a blank face, not realizing what the hell your talking about?
That happened to me when i went to go buy Z&W. No one knew of the game, no advertising was put into it. It was destined to bomb from the start, the same way that no more heroes will be a commercial flop due to the same reasons (i pre-ordered it, they didnt even realize that it EXISTED).Haziqonfire
Thats exactly why everyone on this site who is hyping No More Heroes need to tell thier friends about it who have a Wii but don't visit sites like this.
People who visit sites like this shouldn't be the only ones to know about good games and devs need to realize that. Most of my friends who own a 360 bought it only for Halo 3 and/or Gears of War, reason they did that is because they were informed about them coming out after seeing all commercials and heavy advertising and marketing. All the big selling third party games on 360 and PS3 had huge advertising or marketing pushes.
The point is many of my friends who own a Wii like quality games but aren't hardcore or casual for that matter (same goes for friedns who own a 360 or PS3). The majority of gamers on every console are somewhere in between the casual/hardcore group, and most of them buy a game because of pablicity and word of mouth.
[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]
it wasnt advertised at all. What are you suppose to do if you walk into a store, ask for the game, and the employee just looks at you with a blank face, not realizing what the hell your talking about?
That happened to me when i went to go buy Z&W. No one knew of the game, no advertising was put into it. It was destined to bomb from the start, the same way that no more heroes will be a commercial flop due to the same reasons (i pre-ordered it, they didnt even realize that it EXISTED).umcommon
Thats exactly why everyone on this site who is hyping No More Heroes need to tell thier friends about it who have a Wii but don't visit sites like this.
People who visit sites like this shouldn't be the only ones to know about good games and devs need to realize that. Most of my friends who own a 360 bought it only for Halo 3 and/or Gears of War, reason they did that is because they were informed about them coming out after seeing all commercials and heavy advertising and marketing. All the big selling third party games on 360 and PS3 had huge advertising or marketing pushes.
The point is many of my friends who own a Wii like quality games but aren't hardcore or casual for that matter (same goes for friedns who own a 360 or PS3). The majority of gamers on every console are somewhere in between the casual/hardcore group, and most of them buy a game because of pablicity and word of mouth.
Yeah thats like most of my friends who are 17+ -- They play games based on reviews and advertisements alone, they dont know about them until a while after there about to release.
I have spread the word about NMH, looks kick ass.
It's third party devs problem, not Nintendo's. The third party devs need to step up thier game to compete with Nintendo first party quality. The Wii is still doing great in sales and it's own games, so they don't need third party to survive unlike the other consoles.
Let's be honest here people, almost all third party games are crap no matter what system they are on, that's why they are third party to begin with.
Guitar Hero 3 did well on the Wii. I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that there were commercials for it on every channel. Compared to the advertising for COD4, Bioshock, Assasins Creed, Halo3 and various other games for the 360, how many times have you seen advertising for Zack and Wikki or No More Heroes? I think the only people that know that these games exist are the "hard core gamer" (what ever that means) that don't own Wiis because they claim that there are no hardcore games on the system.
I don't see videogame advertisements for Wii games that aren't made by Nintendo anywhere near as often as I see for the other systems. If Nintendo is serious about solving this problem, they need to take on the publishing duties of some of these great games and advertise the heck out of them. That way games will sell because people will actually know these games exist, developers will see that money can be made on the Wii and Nintendo will make the money that other publishers passed up on. If Nintendo doesn't want to soil their kiddy image then they could create or buy a different company to publish and release M-rated games just like Disney picture studios does through Miramax for R-rated movies. But I think the Nintendo name brand alone will move more units than they would under any other publisher.
It's third party devs problem, not Nintendo's. The third party devs need to step up thier game to compete with Nintendo first party quality. The Wii is still doing great in sales and it's own games, so they don't need third party to survive unlike the other consoles.
Let's be honest here people, almost all third party games are crap no matter what system they are on, that's why they are third party to begin with.
Bigboi500
Gamecube wants a word with you :|
Let's be honest here people, almost all third party games are crap no matter what system they are on, that's why they are third party to begin with.
Bigboi500
Am... WHAT? Lol all the Final Fantasies, MGS, GTA, Half Life, Bioware, Blizzard games etc are crap cos they 3rd party? Might wanna rephrase that.... :P
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Let's be honest here people, almost all third party games are crap no matter what system they are on, that's why they are third party to begin with.
locopatho
Am... WHAT? Lol all the Final Fantasies, MGS, GTA, Half Life, Bioware, Blizzard games etc are crap cos they 3rd party? Might wanna rephrase that.... :P
Note that I said "almost". Those games you mentioned obviously are the exception. I was talking about games like movie spinoffs and sports and racing titles and the like.[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]It's third party devs problem, not Nintendo's. The third party devs need to step up thier game to compete with Nintendo first party quality. The Wii is still doing great in sales and it's own games, so they don't need third party to survive unlike the other consoles.
Let's be honest here people, almost all third party games are crap no matter what system they are on, that's why they are third party to begin with.
Sonick54
Gamecube wants a word with you :|
Gamecube was a moderately profitable system. They didn't win the war, but the GC didn't pull them down either.[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]It's third party devs problem, not Nintendo's. The third party devs need to step up thier game to compete with Nintendo first party quality. The Wii is still doing great in sales and it's own games, so they don't need third party to survive unlike the other consoles.
Let's be honest here people, almost all third party games are crap no matter what system they are on, that's why they are third party to begin with.
Sonick54
Gamecube wants a word with you :|
Gamecube was awesome. It had great games. I thought "teh sales don't matter" to true gamers. The Gamecube survived throughout last gen just as long as xbox did.[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Let's be honest here people, almost all third party games are crap no matter what system they are on, that's why they are third party to begin with.
Bigboi500
Am... WHAT? Lol all the Final Fantasies, MGS, GTA, Half Life, Bioware, Blizzard games etc are crap cos they 3rd party? Might wanna rephrase that.... :P
Note that I said "almost". Those games you mentioned obviously are the exception. I was talking about games like movie spinoffs and sports and racing titles and the like.But the vast majority of good games are 3rd party...
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Let's be honest here people, almost all third party games are crap no matter what system they are on, that's why they are third party to begin with.
locopatho
Am... WHAT? Lol all the Final Fantasies, MGS, GTA, Half Life, Bioware, Blizzard games etc are crap cos they 3rd party? Might wanna rephrase that.... :P
Note that I said "almost". Those games you mentioned obviously are the exception. I was talking about games like movie spinoffs and sports and racing titles and the like.But the vast majority of good games are 3rd party...
Nintendo first party games will always be the best of the best imo.Guitar Hero 3 did well on the Wii. I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that there were commercials for it on every channel. Compared to the advertising for COD4, Bioshock, Assasins Creed, Halo3 and various other games for the 360, how many times have you seen advertising for Zack and Wikki or No More Heroes? I think the only people that know that these games exist are the "hard core gamer" (what ever that means) that don't own Wiis because they claim that there are no hardcore games on the system.
I don't see videogame advertisements for Wii games that aren't made by Nintendo anywhere near as often as I see for the other systems. If Nintendo is serious about solving this problem, they need to take on the publishing duties of some of these great games and advertise the heck out of them. That way games will sell because people will actually know these games exist, developers will see that money can be made on the Wii and Nintendo will make the money that other publishers passed up on. If Nintendo doesn't want to soil their kiddy image then they could create or buy a different company to publish and release M-rated games just like Disney picture studios does through Miramax for R-rated movies. But I think the Nintendo name brand alone will move more units than they would under any other publisher.
genfactor
This is the smartest post I've read all day.
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Nintendo first party games will always be the best of the best imo.locopatho
Agreed completely. But to say almost all 3rd party games are crap is a bit much :P
Well really you're right because Nintendo first party is basically all there is. Sony and Microsoft first party mostly are a joke.Thing is, this is how it's always been with a Nintendo console. Yet, everyone seems to act like this trend just started happening.
Shinno441
not always-the SNES had AWESOME third party games...after the SNES Nintendo's third party relationships went down the tubes...
[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Nintendo first party games will always be the best of the best imo.Bigboi500
Agreed completely. But to say almost all 3rd party games are crap is a bit much :P
Well really you're right because Nintendo first party is basically all there is. Sony and Microsoft first party mostly are a joke.A few gems though. God of War and Team Ico games are both Sony 1st party right?
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Nintendo first party games will always be the best of the best imo.locopatho
Agreed completely. But to say almost all 3rd party games are crap is a bit much :P
Well really you're right because Nintendo first party is basically all there is. Sony and Microsoft first party mostly are a joke.A few gems though. God of War and Team Ico games are both Sony 1st party right?
I think so. God of War and Shadow of the Colossus are absolutely awesome games. What about Intelligent Systems for Nintendo? Are they first party?[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"][QUOTE="locopatho"] [QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Nintendo first party games will always be the best of the best imo.Bigboi500Agreed completely. But to say almost all 3rd party games are crap is a bit much :P Well really you're right because Nintendo first party is basically all there is. Sony and Microsoft first party mostly are a joke. A few gems though. God of War and Team Ico games are both Sony 1st party right? I think so. God of War and Shadow of the Colossus are absolutely awesome games. What about Intelligent Systems for Nintendo? Are they first party? This is the part I get confused on. 2nd party. Do their games "count" for the owner? Eg Retro Studios made Metroid Prime series, not Nintendo. So are they technically not Nintendo games? Do Ratchet games count as Sony games? Confusing :P
I agree with him, but what is Nintendo going to do? They would have to start monitoring what goes on the Wii and not allowing the crap to infest it anymore.Ragnarok1051
That's what they did on the snes, and is the reason that 3rd parties went to Sony. This was Nintendo can find developers that show potential, and give them the resources to become better. Every garden has weeds.
[QUOTE="Shinno441"]Thing is, this is how it's always been with a Nintendo console. Yet, everyone seems to act like this trend just started happening.
Cronaroth
not always-the SNES had AWESOME third party games...after the SNES Nintendo's third party relationships went down the tubes...
That's because they had strict quality control. All the devs went to Sony when the playstation came out. You can say that that would only account for the bad devs, but look at Factor 5. You'd hardly know that Rogue Squadron 3 and Lair were from the same dev, but there you have it. Nintendo refuses to release Lair because it's a bad game, and next thing you know, they've gone and made Rogue Squadron for the competition (that was obviously hypothetical)
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