ill take Carmack and Bioware chief over System War Cows and so should you.

1 disc is enough, and you wont see a difference at the end of the cycle. Sorry, developer tools do matter and Microsoft was prepared whereas SONY wasnt. End /thread for life!!!!

So you /threaded your own thread?

Smart.

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Liquid-GEAR

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Liquid-GEAR

No. Their definition of needed is just different to Bioware and ID.

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Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Reyes360

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

[QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Bluray has very little, if anything, to do with wether a game runs in 1080p.

[QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

OhI didnt know you were a developer so sorry lol and Lair cant be done on 360 right?

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Sir_Graham

No. Their definition of needed is just different to Bioware and ID.

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Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Reyes360

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

:lol: silly cows still waiting and waiting for those Sony lies to come true. :lol:

1 disc is enough, and you wont see a difference at the end of the cycle. Sorry, developer tools do matter and Microsoft was prepared whereas SONY wasnt. End /thread for life!!!!

Reyes360

So you /thread your own therad? :lol: Wow. If that's the case, why did you even make it?

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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ramey70

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Bluray has very little, if anything, to do with wether a game runs in 1080p.

Where you going to get the space to have a 1080p game that goes for 15 hours?

[QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Bill Gates 1981- 640K ought to be enough for anyone

Sorry but he was wrong and so were many others after him when it came to the amount of space needed for a program.

[QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

[QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Doubt that.

It costs too much to do all that this gen.

If that were true, wouldn't Sony's first party titles (like HS and Warhawk) be longer?

[QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

from now i wont bother reading your comments, that comment was just horrible........and funny at same time

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Liquid-GEAR

Yeah actually it does. You really think 10g of audio is really needed? You think even 5% of the console owning population can tell the difference in sound? You must really like the Sony kool-aid if you really think 1 game requires that much space for a game. I guess games like Mass Effect and Oblivion aren't proof enough for you. The only time you'd need all that space is for CGI. I think I'd rather PLAY a game than watch hours of CGI video.

Kojima is a horribly dev...pumping his games with CGI to compensate for lack of graphically splendor, and Mark Rein is confirmed to have the biggest flip flopping mouth in video games.... neither are as level headed as bioware.

What about Hideo Kojima and Mark Rein stating blu-ray is needed? Are they cows?Dylons_Fire

Is it not Carmack's new game Rage that is on 2 DVDS for 360 correct me if im wrong

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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-wii60-

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

I don't understand how going to PC is proving my point wrong. You said it yourself. It's the same game with better texture, framerate(all processing power).

no... sorry 1080P has nothing to do with blu ray or enemies on screen and the game was rushed hence shorter... The PC version which is longer and 1080P seems to fit on 1 disc?

[QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

I'll take my personal opinion over fanboys like you any day of the week /threadtonythestudent

Well of course you would but that doesnt mean you know anything lol

Is it not Carmack's new game Rage that is on 2 DVDS for 360 correct me if im wrong

OmegaKierad

well he just said the PS3 s&cks

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Bluray has very little, if anything, to do with wether a game runs in 1080p.

Where you going to get the space to have a 1080p game that goes for 15 hours?

Another classic example of someone with absolutely no clue about computer science.

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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river_rat3117

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Kojima is a horribly dev...pumping his games with CGI to compensate for lack of graphically splendor, and Mark Rein is confirmed to have the biggest flip flopping mouth in video games.... neither are as level headed as bioware.

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"]What about Hideo Kojima and Mark Rein stating blu-ray is needed? Are they cows?Bdking57

Didn't know kojima used CGI. Now let us bash Mark rein because he ain't praising 360 and GeoW anymore.

Fanboys...

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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mingo123

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

from now i wont bother reading your comments, that comment was just horrible........and funny at same time

system hardware determines the number of enemies onscreen at once. RAM and CPU power make the enemies perform their actions, disk space is only for unique characters, information can be duplicated on the hardware. inormation for one enemy* hardware limitations, game design to determine how many of that one enemy will be replicated and animated.

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Liquid-GEAR

Mark Rein could be considered an unbiased source, but let's face it Kojima isn't exactly known for working for anything other Sonyhardware recently and at this point I think we know where Square-Enix's loyalties lie on the console front. Find some more multi-platform developers who say Blu-ray is needed, and then you'll have a more valid point.

Kojima is a horribly dev...pumping his games with CGI to compensate for lack of graphically splendor, and Mark Rein is confirmed to have the biggest flip flopping mouth in video games.... neither are as level headed as bioware.

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"]What about Hideo Kojima and Mark Rein stating blu-ray is needed? Are they cows?Bdking57

Which tells us how much you know about games. Little to none :lol:

no... sorry 1080P has nothing to do with blu ray or enemies on screen and the game was rushed hence shorter... The PC version which is longer and 1080P seems to fit on 1 disc?

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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Bdking57

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Are you saying Gear of War in 480i is the same exact size as Gears of War in 1080p?

[QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

more enemies on screen is down too system ram NOT storage

[QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Robio_basic

Mark Rein could be considered an unbiased source, but let's face it Kojima isn't exactly known for working for anything other Sonyhardware recently and at this point I think we know where Square-Enix's loyalties lie on the console front. Find some more multi-platform developers who say Blu-ray is needed, and then you'll have a more valid point.

kojima is definetly not biased, if that's what you mean. he has said he is interested in making a new IP exclusively for the 360. he also fills his MGSgames to the brim with recoreded dialogue. In his case, he is thankful for bluray.

[QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

LOL, thats friggin hillarious! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Kojima is a horribly dev...pumping his games with CGI to compensate for lack of graphically splendor, and Mark Rein is confirmed to have the biggest flip flopping mouth in video games.... neither are as level headed as bioware.

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"]What about Hideo Kojima and Mark Rein stating blu-ray is needed? Are they cows?Bdking57

Kojima has never used pre-rendered CGI in the MGS series. all MGS cutscenes are in-engine polygon demos. that means real-time, by the way.

[QUOTE="Robio_basic"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

Mark Rein, Kojima, Square enix are all lying when they BR is needed huh

Mordred19

Mark Rein could be considered an unbiased source, but let's face it Kojima isn't exactly known for working for anything other Sonyhardware recently and at this point I think we know where Square-Enix's loyalties lie on the console front. Find some more multi-platform developers who say Blu-ray is needed, and then you'll have a more valid point.

kojima is definetly not biased, if that's what you mean. he has said he is interested in making a new IP exclusively for the 360. he also fills his MGSgames to the brim with recoreded dialogue. In his case, he is thankful for bluray.

When Kojima starts making that new IP for the 360 I'll be more inclined to buy into his opinions. But his track record has been working exclusively with Sony for over a decade now with the exception of like one GBA game I think. I'm certainly not disrepecting his talent, but he's been so involved with Sony for so long I just don't see him as an objective bystander on the Blu-ray subject right now.

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Dylons_Fire

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Bluray has very little, if anything, to do with wether a game runs in 1080p.

Where you going to get the space to have a 1080p game that goes for 15 hours?

Virtua Tennis 3 was 1080p on both consoles.

On 360, it was also online with no framerate hits, and no lag (according to gamespot).

You were saying?

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"]

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TBoogy

yeah it really was needed for Gears lol.

Bluray has very little, if anything, to do with wether a game runs in 1080p.

Where you going to get the space to have a 1080p game that goes for 15 hours?

Virtua Tennis 3 was 1080p on both consoles.

On 360, it was also online with no framerate hits, and no lag (according to gamespot).

You were saying?

a tennis game is not a good example for either side. seriously, how much unique content does one absolutely need for simulated tennis? :|

[QUOTE="TBoogy"][QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="Reyes360"][QUOTE="Liquid-GEAR"][/QUOTE[/QUOTEMordred19

Bluray has very little, if anything, to do with wether a game runs in 1080p.

Where you going to get the space to have a 1080p game that goes for 15 hours?

Virtua Tennis 3 was 1080p on both consoles.

On 360, it was also online with no framerate hits, and no lag (according to gamespot).

You were saying?

a tennis game is not a good example for either side. seriously, how much unique content does one absolutely need for simulated tennis? :|

Yes, I knew someone would say that. I chose it because it was multiplatform, and achieved the same rez on 360 as ps3.

And happens to be better on 360 because of online play.

When we see a long game on ps3 in 1080p, Iguess we can debate further.

If there HAS been a long 1080p ps3 game, please let me know.

Virtua Tennis 3 was 1080p on both consoles.

On 360, it was also online with no framerate hits, and no lag (according to gamespot).

You were saying?

TBoogy

lol, tennis? you're not making sense...Anyways the point is with more space you can do more. Why is that hard to grasp?

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Virtua Tennis 3 was 1080p on both consoles.

On 360, it was also online with no framerate hits, and no lag (according to gamespot).

You were saying?

Dylons_Fire

lol, tennis? you're not making sense...Anyways the point is with more space you can do more. Why is that hard to grasp?

why is it hard to grasp that is doesnt make that much of a difference, also do you even own a 360? If not, lol, good luck with that PS3 and get a game called Lair. That can only be done on the PS3 because of BLu Ray =)

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Virtua Tennis 3 was 1080p on both consoles.

On 360, it was also online with no framerate hits, and no lag (according to gamespot).

You were saying?

Dylons_Fire

lol, tennis? you're not making sense...Anyways the point is with more space you can do more. Why is that hard to grasp?

ideally, you can do more over a longer period of time: different enviorments, different enemies, different conversations, ect. But the amount of things available to you at any one moment is dependant on the CPU, RAM, and GPU.

[QUOTE="Bdking57"]

Kojima is a horribly dev...pumping his games with CGI to compensate for lack of graphically splendor, and Mark Rein is confirmed to have the biggest flip flopping mouth in video games.... neither are as level headed as bioware.

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"]What about Hideo Kojima and Mark Rein stating blu-ray is needed? Are they cows?ChrisMun

Which tells us how much you know about games. Little to none :lol:

Wow to the guy who said Kojima uses CGI. there has NEVER EVER been CGI in a MGS game...ppl should atleast play the games they wanna bash so when they make comments they dont come out looking like a fool.... :s

Hey Dylon, why don't you spit some of that hot fire for us?

lol

[QUOTE="Dylons_Fire"][QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Virtua Tennis 3 was 1080p on both consoles.

On 360, it was also online with no framerate hits, and no lag (according to gamespot).

You were saying?

Mordred19

lol, tennis? you're not making sense...Anyways the point is with more space you can do more. Why is that hard to grasp?

ideally, you can do more over a longer period of time: different enviorments, different enemies, different conversations, ect. But the amount of things available to you at any one momentis dependant on the CPU, RAM, and GPU.

I totally understand that. I'm just saying in this instance Blu-ray is great to have. Answer this question, why is DVD and Blu-ray games cost $60 dollars? Why is blu-ray discslooked down upon if it's cost the same? Why are people not satisfied with more space?