I'm done with supporting Nintendo and their idiotic ways

Nintendo browbeats you into saying "good enough" when you should not. Stand proud and don't ingratiate yourself to that sneaky new slogan campaign from Nintendo. I'm not going to lower my standards because Reggie and Iwata wants to line their CEO pocketbooks by going so cheap and simple. We were all going naturally forward, as we always have, and suddenly Nintendo says "Hold On!" after losing last generation, and slows down the procession by picking up some casual hobos that add nothing meaningful to the pool. Thankfully Sony and Microsoft still offer systems thatare more fully packaged. The other dayXbox 360had Street Fighter Puzzle Fighter on XBLA, complete with voice chat and online play and upgraded visuals. A nice little offering. Then there were new demos to download, and a free episode of Heroes in HD to download. And new Family Guy episodes announced. And I'm still playing Gears of War online with friends, a game from November 06. Now I look back and see that systems like PS3 and Xbox 360 just simply offer more of what I want. If I had Nintendo Wii (which I have played and was not thoroughly impressed), I would be doing the same tedious waiting game I did with Gamecube. Wait for 1st party Nintendo game, then wait months for the next one. Then wait some more. I am not getting the other 3rd party Wii games when the Xbox 360 and PS3 have better versions.

Wii may not be a bad secondary system. But with the way Iwata and Reggie talk, they want you to own a Wii and nothing else because it changes gaming. I don't think so. This is a downgrade not worth my time anymore.

Nintendo browbeats you into saying "good enough" when you should not. Stand proud and don't ingratiate yourself to that sneaky new slogan campaign from Nintendo. I'm not going to lower my standards because Reggie and Iwata wants to line their CEO pocketbooks by going so cheap and simple. We were all going naturally forward, as we always have, and suddenly Nintendo says "Hold On!" after losing last generation, and slows down the procession by picking up some casual hobos that add nothing meaningful to the pool. Thankfully Sony and Microsoft still offer systems thatare more fully packaged. The other dayXbox 360had Street Fighter Puzzle Fighter on XBLA, complete with voice chat and online play and upgraded visuals. A nice little offering. Then there were new demos to download, and a free episode of Heroes in HD to download. And new Family Guy episodes announced. And I'm still playing Gears of War online with friends, a game from November 06. Now I look back and see that systems like PS3 and Xbox 360 just simply offer more of what I want. If I had Nintendo Wii (which I have played and was not thoroughly impressed), I would be doing the same tedious waiting game I did with Gamecube. Wait for 1st party Nintendo game, then wait months for the next one. Then wait some more. I am not getting the other 3rd party Wii games when the Xbox 360 and PS3 have better versions.

Wii may not be a bad secondary system. But with the way Iwata and Reggie talk, they want you to own a Wii and nothing else because it changes gaming. I don't think so. This is a downgrade not worth my time anymore.

PhoebusFlows

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

Nintendo browbeats you into saying "good enough" when you should not. Stand proud and don't ingratiate yourself to that sneaky new slogan campaign from Nintendo. I'm not going to lower my standards because Reggie and Iwata wants to line their CEO pocketbooks by going so cheap and simple. We were all going naturally forward, as we always have, and suddenly Nintendo says "Hold On!" after losing last generation, and slows down the procession by picking up some casual hobos that add nothing meaningful to the pool. Thankfully Sony and Microsoft still offer systems thatare more fully packaged. The other dayXbox 360had Street Fighter Puzzle Fighter on XBLA, complete with voice chat and online play and upgraded visuals. A nice little offering. Then there were new demos to download, and a free episode of Heroes in HD to download. And new Family Guy episodes announced. And I'm still playing Gears of War online with friends, a game from November 06. Now I look back and see that systems like PS3 and Xbox 360 just simply offer more of what I want. If I had Nintendo Wii (which I have played and was not thoroughly impressed), I would be doing the same tedious waiting game I did with Gamecube. Wait for 1st party Nintendo game, then wait months for the next one. Then wait some more. I am not getting the other 3rd party Wii games when the Xbox 360 and PS3 have better versions.

Wii may not be a bad secondary system. But with the way Iwata and Reggie talk, they want you to own a Wii and nothing else because it changes gaming. I don't think so. This is a downgrade not worth my time anymore.

luigigreen

Still, Phoebus makes some good points. On the contrary, Wii ISN'T for EVERYONE, as there aren't enough hardcore games to cater for those who enjoy long gaming marathons or want the next 'big' game. Many games for Wii are unfortunate 9 month - 1 year projects.

But I'm sick of people downplaying casuals. They make the industry grow and move forward - making more and more complex games with complex features (although we love those sorts of game) is only limiting the industry and making it something that *this regular guy* can't get into even though he's into the internet, T.V, music and movies. Those "casual hobos" include people's parents, the elderly and other non-gamers. I almost find the comment that Phoebus made insulting because those gamers finally have their first or long-due gaming experience like we did when we played the first significant game in our lives. You can't downplay that greatness as it's not only an incredibly rare moment in gaming, but it's happening to people who don't consider themselves gamers.

Stop acting like casuals are a bunch of duds being "fooled" into the Wii. They're having fun as are regular gamers, and upcoming software looks damn promising (except Nights, sorry fanboys but that game will flop).

those are some of the reasons why im leaving nintendo's console too this gen..

they have forgotten there fan base over the last 20 years in favour of chasing sales from people who dont even play games...

I'm glad someone has realised the truth. If Nintendo has their way then we will be playing mini-games on SDTVs for the next 10 years. They are ruining gaming and it's sad that some people are too blind to see it.dracula_16

They are just bringing it to the masses. Unfortunately, the Wii doesn't appeal to me at all because of its games. I won't be interested in the Wii until they get some big name 3rd party games but we know that will not very likely happen.

a quick FYI I camped out for all 3 next gen systems Wii , 360 and PS3 and out of all of them the Wii was the only one I actually kep for myself and played that day, the PS3 and 360 for solely for selling at 6 times the price on ebay.

And what do I get ? Quite obviously Nintendo's worst mainstream / big system ever.

-mediocre launch

Lets see first off It launched with what like 8 games and all except Zelda were overall mediocre as a whole and yes that means Wii sports too. Excite truck was a bad tech demo, Wii sports has little to no depth yeah the boxing is a blast until it gets old since it isnt online. Not even a decent 3rd party game.

:Gamecube Launched with RL2 9.4, and Wave Race 8.5 with Smash and Pikmin within a month .even Luigis Mansions was great for the 5 hours it lasted IMO

Terrible Hardware

Last gen is the only one where Nintendo didnt have the most powerful hardware and even with that said GC held its own against xbox any day of the week RE4, Zelda tp, Prime, Star fox adv much ? And the Wii from a hardware perspective is just horrible. its barely more powerful than the xbox which means games like Alan Wake, RE5 , DMC4 , Assasin's creed , Unreal T 3 etc will never even be pausible on the system. And were only 2 years into this gen imagine in late 08.

Continued stubborness to change

:lets see in 2002 Nintendo said gamers dont want online, now they're implying we dont care about HD ........ another misstake yes. Nintedo still doesnt have good console online, and HD is my way of life now . I even bought the Component cable for the Wii for Zelda and it still looked better on my 25 in SDTV than on my 32 inch olevia 720p.

3rd party lineup

:maybe it could be because the wii cant handle any of the good games which is why its getting stuff like escape from bug island... or maybe its because Wii games dont sell unless they have the Nintendo brand on them want proof ? RE Wii sales 331,618 ... compared to the horrible wii play sales of 2,087,623...... Its happening again and Nintendo doesnt even know it .

Straight up Betrayal

:I honestly applaud the DS and Nintendo's sucess , which is the only reason why we have the Wii and not the Revolution with Zelda looking better than Oblivion BTW. Nintendo simply realized that the DS was selling like hot cakes doing totally new things and its competition with much better hardware , capabilities , and graphics isnt doing nearly as well ,

thats great but why the hell couldnt you do both ? Your telling me you couldnt build a 360 hardware with a 40 gig harddrive and the wii mote for $299-$349. Theres a reason this works on the Handheld market its becuase most of the major series DMC, Final Fantasy new games, Kingdom hearts, Half life, Unreal , etc DONT EXIST ON HANDHELD

but they trive on console and they push the limits of technology and hardware, which is why you'd basically ostrisized these big developers. Which is why the Wii doesnt get RE5 or DMC4 , but a RE4 remake, and RE Chronicles which will flop like RE outbreak.

So enjoy those non HD cheap development cost , cause Big developers dont give a rats ass about it when they know they're Bioshock will sell 400k the first week. What your getting is tiny developers making a flood of garbage games.

The Wii is in first place because people like me bought it at launch and soon sold it a few months after because from launch to almost last week there were only 2-3 good games on the system and all were Old Nintendo franchises anyways

No new Ips/games

-360 has had - Kameo AA (possible franchise), Gears AAA (confirmed trilogy), mass effect probably AAA (confirmed triology I beleive), Crackdown fun game, etc

Ps3 has - Resistance AA (possible franchise),Warhawk AA (ok its technically new but it aint been seen since what 1998?), Motostorm great online , Heavenly Sword probably AA,

Wii has what new ips or games - Excite truck..... this one failed horribly.

Lazy Development

-Excite Truck was a $50 tech demo

-Wii sports didnt have online why ?

-Zelda made by one of the best developers in the world was uninspiring and was basically OOT with a wolf, wasnt nearly as impressive as Wind Waker

-the systems has what like 50 games rated under 6.9 already

Sonic_on_crack

Well said. At least the GC could compete with Xbox in terms of power but this is just ridiciliuos.

Well said. At least the GC could compete with Xbox in terms of power but this is just ridiciliuos.

azad_champ

And look where that got Nintendo; last place and no 3rd party support. At least the Wii is trying to fix that.

The GCN was too similar to it's competitors and lost support in favor of the more popular PS2. Perhaps the only things that saved them was their superb 1st party games and the fact that they don't sell at a loss, ever.

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Now, I will agree, SOC, the Wii's low-end hardware prowess is a shortcoming, especially when compared to the competition (I like my graphically intensive games too, that's why I own a PC), but it's not crippling. Quite the opposite really if we are going by sales trends, both hardware and software. Price is very important. (but that probably won't convince you)

Software-wise, I think the Wii is still trying to shake of the stigma Nintendo gained during the GCN period. No one was really banking on the Wii to be a stunning success and most developers did not have games in the works until sometime after E3 '06. Most games so far from 3rd parties have been quick stopgaps or tenative experiments as they presumably race to develop the big money makers on the Wii. For now, Nintendo's franchises are leading the way.

Online so far has been underwhelming, but from what I've see, it is getting better. It will never reach the the height of Xbox Live, but hey, it's free.

Probably the most telling though is that the Wii now has the support of the 'casual' audience. Last gen, the PS2 held that title. I don't understand the vilification of casuals, probably never will. All I know is that this elitist atittude will not help anyone. Casual really are the main course of this industry, we're just the bread.

I respect your choice, SOC, now respect ours.

The wii is a joke on all the gamers that have grown up with the nintendo brand, even the cube while not the strongest could hold it's own against the xbox. Now in 2006 nintendo drops it's "new" system that matches the xbox from 2000 in power (they claim) and add's a wii-mote with wi-fi for $250 :lol:

Well sorry nintendo I have been playing with my 360 and now ps3 and my console crusher pc, now how can I go back to 480p and pro-logic sound with crappy online huh ??

My standards for gaming have been raised and the wii is not even in the same class, hell most of the games are not even xbox level in 2007 :cry:

Now nintendo could have just added a cheap dx8 gpu and dd 5.1 sound and still stayed at $250 without the rubbish wii sports pack in game. Now in 2007 the wii will be maxed out with meh looking games like SSBB and that's a shame imo. Even MP3 the best looking game is only at xbox level and that is a 1st party game lmao. It's like a man going out with 3 beauty contest winners and then meets a ugly fat woman at the local pub, the guy has higher standards so she does not appeal to him just like the wii does not appeal to me.

I am used to online gaming, I am used to dx9 1080p graphics, I am used to 5.1 dd sounds, I am used to advanced physics and AI, I am used to downloading demos, I am used to multi media features working on my hdtv ect now how can I go back to the wii = I can't!!!

This is really a shame after growing up on nintendo games that shaped the industry with games like super mario 64 and goldeneye for example that lead the way in 3d gaming to be reduced to this. Surely Siggy deserves better that to be handcuffed with crappy hardware that does not let him advance gaming like he would like. Also if he can't do it then it's no wonder the wii is a dumping ground for ps2 ports and @#$% games by 3rd parties. Instead of fixing the online gaming aspect the company I used to love is pimping wii-fit, sigh I can't support this and that's why I sold my wii after finishing SPM 3 month's ago.

I will always remember the old hardcore nintendo that helped make me like console games but that nintendo is dead and so is my love for them.

[QUOTE="azad_champ"]

Well said. At least the GC could compete with Xbox in terms of power but this is just ridiciliuos.

Koopaknight29

And look where that got Nintendo; last place and no 3rd party support. At least the Wii is trying to fix that.

The GCN was too similar to it's competitors and lost support in favor of the more popular PS2. Perhaps the only things that saved them was their superb 1st party games and the fact that they don't sell at a loss, ever.

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Now, I will agree, SOC, the Wii's low-end hardware prowess is a shortcoming, especially when compared to the competition (I like my graphically intensive games too, that's why I own a PC), but it's not crippling. Quite the opposite really if we are going by sales trends, both hardware and software. Price is very important. (but that probably won't convince you)

Software-wise, I think the Wii is still trying to shake of the stigma Nintendo gained during the GCN period. No one was really banking on the Wii to be a stunning success and most developers did not have games in the works until sometime after E3 '06. Most games so far from 3rd parties have been quick stopgaps or tenative experiments as they presumably race to develop the big money makers on the Wii. For now, Nintendo's franchises are leading the way.

Online so far has been underwhelming, but from what I've see, it is getting better. It will never reach the the height of Xbox Live, but hey, it's free.

Probably the most telling though is that the Wii now has the support of the 'casual' audience. Last gen, the PS2 held that title. I don't understand the vilification of casuals, probably never will. All I know is that this elitist atittude will not help anyone. Casual really are the main course of this industry, we're just the bread.

I respect your choice, SOC, now respect ours.

you obviously dont understand, do you? nintendo could have easily made the wii up to par with the 360 and ps3 AND had kept the perfect Wii remote, and even given the Wii a decent enough sized HDD.

there was nothing stopping them from doing this, NOTHING

but because they chose to recycle the GC hardware... the wii is stuck with crappy PS2 ports, 480p max, sub-par online play, 512 mb of storage, and last gen graphics

notice this these elements were already possible last gen. hell even ps2 was HDD compatible and it was released a year before the gamecube.

so tell me, what would have been wrong with making Wii a powerhorse AND keeping the remote we all love? NOTHING! THIS CHOICE WOULD HAVE BENEFITED WII OWNERS

you obviously dont understand, do you? nintendo could have easily made the wii up to par with the 360 and ps3 AND had kept the perfect Wii remote, and even given the Wii a decent enough sized HDD.

there was nothing stopping them from doing this, NOTHING

but because they chose to recycle the GC hardware... the wii is stuck with crappy PS2 ports, 480p max, sub-par online play, 512 mb of storage, and last gen graphics

notice this these elements were already possible last gen. hell even ps2 was HDD compatible and it was released a year before the gamecube.

so tell me, what would have been wrong with making Wii a powerhorse AND keeping the remote we all love? NOTHING! THIS CHOICE WOULD HAVE BENEFITED WII OWNERS

wagexslave

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

you obviously dont understand, do you? nintendo could have easily made the wii up to par with the 360 and ps3 AND had kept the perfect Wii remote, and even given the Wii a decent enough sized HDD.

there was nothing stopping them from doing this, NOTHING

but because they chose to recycle the GC hardware... the wii is stuck with crappy PS2 ports, 480p max, sub-par online play, 512 mb of storage, and last gen graphics

notice this these elements were already possible last gen. hell even ps2 was HDD compatible and it was released a year before the gamecube.

so tell me, what would have been wrong with making Wii a powerhorse AND keeping the remote we all love? NOTHING! THIS CHOICE WOULD HAVE BENEFITED WII OWNERS

luigigreen

so you're basically saying you'd rather nintendo have a full wallet instead of you having the system wii could have been. I thought nintendo was all about the costumers. well... i used to think that... until now i hear this crap from people like you

what makes you think that if the wii continues to be as successful as it is, that they wont just do the same thing next gen? theycould just do the same thing they did with the wii andrelease a new system with barely xbox 360 graphics, the wii remote, sub-par online capabilities, no hdmi capabilities, an 1 gb of flash memory etc

have nintendo fanboy's standards dropped that low or did nintendo brainwash everyone into thinking that they were doing them a favor by releasing the wii with last gen hardware?

seriously... you dont benefit one bit from nintendo's success. the only people who benefit are people who work for nintendo. come on sheep, what happened to nintendo standards?

put it this way,if nintendo did make the wii a powerhouse AND kept the wii-mote, yes it would be as expensive as the 360 but it would outsell it reguardless because it would get all the multiplats and online goodness the 360 offers but with a new element of gameplay. "The price for the system goes up, and then all incentive for casual gamers to buy the system goes out the window." that is the biggest piece of crap statement i've heard. incentive goes up because if you have a system with graphics and price par(even cheaper than ps3)to it's competitors AND have motion sensing.. there is a huge incentive for casuals to buy it

nintendo knew this, but the ONLY reason they choose not to do that is because they KNEW that they could make even more money if they recycled the cheap GC hardware they were already making profit on by selling at a mere $99, add a new controller, and throw in some cheap additions that make it appear to be an upgrade just to raise the price a lot, but still be cheaper than the rest.

and i'm not saying this as some mindless anti-nintendo fanboy either. i'm saying this as a sheep, i've been one my whole life. but i'm actually thinking about sitting this gen out...

[QUOTE="luigigreen"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

you obviously dont understand, do you? nintendo could have easily made the wii up to par with the 360 and ps3 AND had kept the perfect Wii remote, and even given the Wii a decent enough sized HDD.

there was nothing stopping them from doing this, NOTHING

but because they chose to recycle the GC hardware... the wii is stuck with crappy PS2 ports, 480p max, sub-par online play, 512 mb of storage, and last gen graphics

notice this these elements were already possible last gen. hell even ps2 was HDD compatible and it was released a year before the gamecube.

so tell me, what would have been wrong with making Wii a powerhorse AND keeping the remote we all love? NOTHING! THIS CHOICE WOULD HAVE BENEFITED WII OWNERS

wagexslave

so you're basically saying you'd rather nintendo have a full wallet instead of you having the system wii could have been. I thought nintendo was all about the costumers. well... i used to think that... until now i hear this crap from people like you

what makes you think that if the wii continues to be as successful as it is, that they wont just do the same thing next gen? theycould just do the same thing they did with the wii andrelease a new system with barely xbox 360 graphics, the wii remote, sub-par online capabilities, no hdmi capabilities, an 1 gb of flash memory etc

have nintendo fanboy's standards dropped that low or did nintendo brainwash everyone into thinking that they were doing them a favor by releasing the wii with last gen hardware?

seriously... you dont benefit one bit from nintendo's success. the only people who benefit are people who work for nintendo. come on sheep, what happened to nintendo standards?

put it this way,if nintendo did make the wii a powerhouse AND kept the wii-mote, yes it would be as expensive as the 360 but it would outsell it reguardless because it would get all the multiplats and online goodness the 360 offers but with a new element of gameplay. "The price for the system goes up, and then all incentive for casual gamers to buy the system goes out the window." that is the biggest piece of crap statement i've heard. incentive goes up because if you have a system with graphics and price par(even cheaper than ps3)to it's competitors AND have motion sensing.. there is a huge incentive for casuals to buy it

nintendo knew this, but the ONLY reason they choose not to do that is because they KNEW that they could make even more money if they recycled the cheap GC hardware they were already making profit on by selling at a mere $99, add a new controller, and throw in some cheap additions that make it appear to be an upgrade just to raise the price a lot, but still be cheaper than the rest.

and i'm not saying this as some mindless anti-nintendo fanboy either. i'm saying this as a sheep, i've been one my whole life. but i'm actually thinking about sitting this gen out...

IF... an open minded sheep doesnt reply to this with valid, non-biased points telling me why the valid, non-biased points i made are wrong...

...I WILL BE FORCED TO COMMIT NINTENDO SUICIDE!

[QUOTE="nintendo_fan675"][QUOTE="THETRUEDOZAH"]the Wii is an abomination. real gamers everywhere should be disgusted.THETRUEDOZAH

the end is nigh :lol:

wii connect 24 cannot be done with 360 or -s3 hardware, nintendo said this themselvesmarth678

Wii Connect 24 is useless.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"][QUOTE="luigigreen"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

you obviously dont understand, do you? nintendo could have easily made the wii up to par with the 360 and ps3 AND had kept the perfect Wii remote, and even given the Wii a decent enough sized HDD.

there was nothing stopping them from doing this, NOTHING

but because they chose to recycle the GC hardware... the wii is stuck with crappy PS2 ports, 480p max, sub-par online play, 512 mb of storage, and last gen graphics

notice this these elements were already possible last gen. hell even ps2 was HDD compatible and it was released a year before the gamecube.

so tell me, what would have been wrong with making Wii a powerhorse AND keeping the remote we all love? NOTHING! THIS CHOICE WOULD HAVE BENEFITED WII OWNERS

wagexslave

so you're basically saying you'd rather nintendo have a full wallet instead of you having the system wii could have been. I thought nintendo was all about the costumers. well... i used to think that... until now i hear this crap from people like you

what makes you think that if the wii continues to be as successful as it is, that they wont just do the same thing next gen? theycould just do the same thing they did with the wii andrelease a new system with barely xbox 360 graphics, the wii remote, sub-par online capabilities, no hdmi capabilities, an 1 gb of flash memory etc

have nintendo fanboy's standards dropped that low or did nintendo brainwash everyone into thinking that they were doing them a favor by releasing the wii with last gen hardware?

seriously... you dont benefit one bit from nintendo's success. the only people who benefit are people who work for nintendo. come on sheep, what happened to nintendo standards?

put it this way,if nintendo did make the wii a powerhouse AND kept the wii-mote, yes it would be as expensive as the 360 but it would outsell it reguardless because it would get all the multiplats and online goodness the 360 offers but with a new element of gameplay. "The price for the system goes up, and then all incentive for casual gamers to buy the system goes out the window." that is the biggest piece of crap statement i've heard. incentive goes up because if you have a system with graphics and price par(even cheaper than ps3)to it's competitors AND have motion sensing.. there is a huge incentive for casuals to buy it

nintendo knew this, but the ONLY reason they choose not to do that is because they KNEW that they could make even more money if they recycled the cheap GC hardware they were already making profit on by selling at a mere $99, add a new controller, and throw in some cheap additions that make it appear to be an upgrade just to raise the price a lot, but still be cheaper than the rest.

and i'm not saying this as some mindless anti-nintendo fanboy either. i'm saying this as a sheep, i've been one my whole life. but i'm actually thinking about sitting this gen out...

IF... an open minded sheep doesnt reply to this with valid, non-biased points telling me why the valid, non-biased points i made are wrong...

...I WILL BE FORCED TO COMMIT NINTENDO SUICIDE!

TIME IS TICKING SHEEP, DONT MAKE ME DO IT!

*holds bomb omb in front of his face and slightly spins the spinner in a threatening manner*

DONT LET ONE OF YOUR KIND BLOW THIS WHOLE PLACE UP SENDING US ALL TO NINTENHELL!!! :x

[QUOTE="luigigreen"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

you obviously dont understand, do you? nintendo could have easily made the wii up to par with the 360 and ps3 AND had kept the perfect Wii remote, and even given the Wii a decent enough sized HDD.

there was nothing stopping them from doing this, NOTHING

but because they chose to recycle the GC hardware... the wii is stuck with crappy PS2 ports, 480p max, sub-par online play, 512 mb of storage, and last gen graphics

notice this these elements were already possible last gen. hell even ps2 was HDD compatible and it was released a year before the gamecube.

so tell me, what would have been wrong with making Wii a powerhorse AND keeping the remote we all love? NOTHING! THIS CHOICE WOULD HAVE BENEFITED WII OWNERS

wagexslave

so you're basically saying you'd rather nintendo have a full wallet instead of you having the system wii could have been. I thought nintendo was all about the costumers. well... i used to think that... until now i hear this crap from people like you

what makes you think that if the wii continues to be as successful as it is, that they wont just do the same thing next gen? theycould just do the same thing they did with the wii andrelease a new system with barely xbox 360 graphics, the wii remote, sub-par online capabilities, no hdmi capabilities, an 1 gb of flash memory etc

have nintendo fanboy's standards dropped that low or did nintendo brainwash everyone into thinking that they were doing them a favor by releasing the wii with last gen hardware?

seriously... you dont benefit one bit from nintendo's success. the only people who benefit are people who work for nintendo. come on sheep, what happened to nintendo standards?

put it this way,if nintendo did make the wii a powerhouse AND kept the wii-mote, yes it would be as expensive as the 360 but it would outsell it reguardless because it would get all the multiplats and online goodness the 360 offers but with a new element of gameplay. "The price for the system goes up, and then all incentive for casual gamers to buy the system goes out the window." that is the biggest piece of crap statement i've heard. incentive goes up because if you have a system with graphics and price par(even cheaper than ps3)to it's competitors AND have motion sensing.. there is a huge incentive for casuals to buy it

nintendo knew this, but the ONLY reason they choose not to do that is because they KNEW that they could make even more money if they recycled the cheap GC hardware they were already making profit on by selling at a mere $99, add a new controller, and throw in some cheap additions that make it appear to be an upgrade just to raise the price a lot, but still be cheaper than the rest.

and i'm not saying this as some mindless anti-nintendo fanboy either. i'm saying this as a sheep, i've been one my whole life. but i'm actually thinking about sitting this gen out...

Noooo!!! How will Nintendo ever survive without your support?mojito1988

[QUOTE="wagexslave"][QUOTE="luigigreen"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

you obviously dont understand, do you? nintendo could have easily made the wii up to par with the 360 and ps3 AND had kept the perfect Wii remote, and even given the Wii a decent enough sized HDD.

there was nothing stopping them from doing this, NOTHING

but because they chose to recycle the GC hardware... the wii is stuck with crappy PS2 ports, 480p max, sub-par online play, 512 mb of storage, and last gen graphics

notice this these elements were already possible last gen. hell even ps2 was HDD compatible and it was released a year before the gamecube.

so tell me, what would have been wrong with making Wii a powerhorse AND keeping the remote we all love? NOTHING! THIS CHOICE WOULD HAVE BENEFITED WII OWNERS

castlevaniaX

so you're basically saying you'd rather nintendo have a full wallet instead of you having the system wii could have been. I thought nintendo was all about the costumers. well... i used to think that... until now i hear this crap from people like you

what makes you think that if the wii continues to be as successful as it is, that they wont just do the same thing next gen? theycould just do the same thing they did with the wii andrelease a new system with barely xbox 360 graphics, the wii remote, sub-par online capabilities, no hdmi capabilities, an 1 gb of flash memory etc

have nintendo fanboy's standards dropped that low or did nintendo brainwash everyone into thinking that they were doing them a favor by releasing the wii with last gen hardware?

seriously... you dont benefit one bit from nintendo's success. the only people who benefit are people who work for nintendo. come on sheep, what happened to nintendo standards?

put it this way,if nintendo did make the wii a powerhouse AND kept the wii-mote, yes it would be as expensive as the 360 but it would outsell it reguardless because it would get all the multiplats and online goodness the 360 offers but with a new element of gameplay. "The price for the system goes up, and then all incentive for casual gamers to buy the system goes out the window." that is the biggest piece of crap statement i've heard. incentive goes up because if you have a system with graphics and price par(even cheaper than ps3)to it's competitors AND have motion sensing.. there is a huge incentive for casuals to buy it

nintendo knew this, but the ONLY reason they choose not to do that is because they KNEW that they could make even more money if they recycled the cheap GC hardware they were already making profit on by selling at a mere $99, add a new controller, and throw in some cheap additions that make it appear to be an upgrade just to raise the price a lot, but still be cheaper than the rest.

and i'm not saying this as some mindless anti-nintendo fanboy either. i'm saying this as a sheep, i've been one my whole life. but i'm actually thinking about sitting this gen out...

agreed. valid point #1 is making me 1 step closer to commiting nintendo suicide :/

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]Also you should read the Halo novels before judging the storycoreygames

probably because Halo would still win , seriously comparing a manga to a novel .... get real

[QUOTE="azad_champ"]

Well said. At least the GC could compete with Xbox in terms of power but this is just ridiciliuos.

Koopaknight29

And look where that got Nintendo; last place and no 3rd party support. At least the Wii is trying to fix that.

No the reason the GC got last place was Nintendo's own fault. Stupidly ignoring online gaming was a mjor reason , how much do you think Smash Bros melee and MArio kart would've sold if it was online ?

barely making any new ips hurt the gamecube, its no secret Nintendo games sale period so WTF is the concept so hard for Nintendo to understand that shooters sell like hotcakes, both Prime games went platnium , now imagine if Wii had a online 24 player AAA Shooter with Halo level graphics ........... Even crap like Killzone and Black sold over a million copies

When Nintendo stopped trying to shooters , they gave up IMO.

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]Also you should read the Halo novels before judging the storySonic_on_crack

probably because Halo would still win , seriously comparing a manga to a novel .... get real

There is more story to the Metroid Games then there is to Halo and the Halo games. Bungie failed at implenting all of the background from the books, comics, ect. What a shame.

-mediocre launch

Lets see first off It launched with what like 8 games and all except Zelda were overall mediocre as a whole and yes that means Wii sports too. Excite truck was a bad tech demo, Wii sports has little to no depth yeah the boxing is a blast until it gets old since it isnt online. Not even a decent 3rd party game.

:Gamecube Launched with RL2 9.4, and Wave Race 8.5 with Smash and Pikmin within a month .even Luigis Mansions was great for the 5 hours it lasted IMO

Terrible Hardware

Last gen is the only one where Nintendo didnt have the most powerful hardware and even with that said GC held its own against xbox any day of the week RE4, Zelda tp, Prime, Star fox adv much ? And the Wii from a hardware perspective is just horrible. its barely more powerful than the xbox which means games like Alan Wake, RE5 , DMC4 , Assasin's creed , Unreal T 3 etc will never even be pausible on the system. And were only 2 years into this gen imagine in late 08.

Continued stubborness to change

:lets see in 2002 Nintendo said gamers dont want online, now they're implying we dont care about HD ........ another misstake yes. Nintedo still doesnt have good console online, and HD is my way of life now . I even bought the Component cable for the Wii for Zelda and it still looked better on my 25 in SDTV than on my 32 inch olevia 720p.

Lazy Development

-Excite Truck was a $50 tech demo

-Wii sports didnt have online why ?

-Zelda made by one of the best developers in the world was uninspiring and was basically OOT with a wolf, wasnt nearly as impressive as Wind Waker

-the systems has what like 50 games rated under 6.9 already

Sonic_on_crack

filtered out the biased trash but these points i all agree with wii sux0rz :(

so you're basically saying you'd rather nintendo have a full wallet instead of you having the system wii could have been. I thought nintendo was all about the costumers. well... i used to think that... until now i hear this crap from people like you

what makes you think that if the wii continues to be as successful as it is, that they wont just do the same thing next gen? theycould just do the same thing they did with the wii andrelease a new system with barely xbox 360 graphics, the wii remote, sub-par online capabilities, no hdmi capabilities, an 1 gb of flash memory etc

have nintendo fanboy's standards dropped that low or did nintendo brainwash everyone into thinking that they were doing them a favor by releasing the wii with last gen hardware?

seriously... you dont benefit one bit from nintendo's success. the only people who benefit are people who work for nintendo. come on sheep, what happened to nintendo standards?

put it this way,if nintendo did make the wii a powerhouse AND kept the wii-mote, yes it would be as expensive as the 360 but it would outsell it reguardless because it would get all the multiplats and online goodness the 360 offers but with a new element of gameplay. "The price for the system goes up, and then all incentive for casual gamers to buy the system goes out the window." that is the biggest piece of crap statement i've heard. incentive goes up because if you have a system with graphics and price par(even cheaper than ps3)to it's competitors AND have motion sensing.. there is a huge incentive for casuals to buy it

nintendo knew this, but the ONLY reason they choose not to do that is because they KNEW that they could make even more money if they recycled the cheap GC hardware they were already making profit on by selling at a mere $99, add a new controller, and throw in some cheap additions that make it appear to be an upgrade just to raise the price a lot, but still be cheaper than the rest.

and i'm not saying this as some mindless anti-nintendo fanboy either. i'm saying this as a sheep, i've been one my whole life. but i'm actually thinking about sitting this gen out...

wagexslave

Where did I say that I waned Nintendo have a full wallet? All I said that this is what Nintendo had to do to climb out of the bottom of the barrel. If they did make a powerhorse, no one support them.

I do agree that Nintendo has stopped supporting it's core consumers and I'm hoping it gets rectified when SMG and SSBB comes out.

They did this so to climb out of the bottom of the barrel. You know how much criticism Nintendo got from consumers who found that there system was way too weak? I know there's a lot of positive praise, but there's also negative. My guess is that they would wisen up and see that the next generation console has to be able to compete with there next system, and a wiimote only won't do it because it's been done already. Where is there left to go? A new wiimote won't make as much impact as actually making a powerhorse.

I never said I like the hardware in the Wii. I just said business-wise, it's a brilliant move. But it does undercut the core market, and throws them out the window which is upsetting.

Technically, I benefit from Nintendo's success in the long run because if they failed this generation, I could see them dropping out of the console race and then we lost the option of Nintendo.

Yes, that's exactly why Nintendo lost last generation because they tried to compete with the other systems and got destroyed. They did not get 3rd party support. Your forgetting they showed off the Wii at E3 06 and untill then, many devs knew very little about the system. No one had time to develop anything about it. Let me rephrase my casual market. There aiming there system at non-gamers. A completely different niche then casuals. They're the first company to do so and they've been successful at it.

tom, your ill informed.... wiiconnect 24 has a lot to do with the hardware, imagine an xbox 360 using wii connect 24... mind you the fan DOES NOT RUN, so you have to use the most heat resistant materials around, also the controller it self is adv. tech., i mean you say nintendo used cheap hardware, what about microsoft and sony... i can easily find a computer in the store more powerful than both those consoles.marth678

Wii Connect 24 in not needed and is pretty much USELESS at the moment and for the foreseeable future in any meaningful capacity. If the 360 and PS3 would run too hot for it so what? You can still download/update anything you need/want without such a useless service.

Yay, more flamebait!

I kind of agree with your post...on some points at least.

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]Also you should read the Halo novels before judging the storyBlackbond

probably because Halo would still win , seriously comparing a manga to a novel .... get real

There is more story to the Metroid Games then there is to Halo and the Halo games. Bungie failed at implenting all of the background from the books, comics, ect. What a shame.

And more doesnt equal better, everyone agrees Halo has a better story

And more doesnt equal better, everyone agrees Halo has a better story

Sonic_on_crack

Noooo!!! How will Nintendo ever survive without your support?mojito1988

it seems hes not the only one. There are alot of people doing this so maybe in the long run they do :shock:

I like how your statistics of HD are way out of porportion. Less than 50% of Wii owners have a Widescreen TV, let alone HD.0starter0

I could've said the same about broadband in 2001

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]Also you should read the Halo novels before judging the storySonic_on_crack

probably because Halo would still win , seriously comparing a manga to a novel .... get real

There is more story to the Metroid Games then there is to Halo and the Halo games. Bungie failed at implenting all of the background from the books, comics, ect. What a shame.

And more doesnt equal better, everyone agrees Halo has a better story

The main plot in Halo is better, but details is what what really makes the Story of the Metroid games better.

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]how many prime have they're been in the last 5 years 4 ...

and as for True MGS games theres been 4 in 10 years

Sonic_on_crack

we're not gonna go into portable games cause then I'd have to go through Metal Gear Acid and Metriod Fusion etc. I did count Prime Hunters but even without that

in the last 5 years theres been 3 Prime console games apposed to the 4 MGS games in 10 years and 3 Halos in 9 years.

There have been 3 Halos in 6 years.:|

Well, i gave them a chance, been borrowing nintendo systems and playing all their best games since the snes but the wii is flat out the worse thing they've ever done so far.

I know theres possiblities for the wii to deliver something great and unmatched in its own way but Nintendo seem uninterested in delivering that type of game. Their profit margins are more important than their reputation as a developer, i hope this gen comes back to haunt them but a severely doubt it, sheep standards are so low now.

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]how many prime have they're been in the last 5 years 4 ...

and as for True MGS games theres been 4 in 10 years

kman3002

we're not gonna go into portable games cause then I'd have to go through Metal Gear Acid and Metriod Fusion etc. I did count Prime Hunters but even without that

in the last 5 years theres been 3 Prime console games apposed to the 4 MGS games in 10 years and 3 Halos in 9 years.

There have been 3 Halos in 6 years.:|

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]how many prime have they're been in the last 5 years 4 ...

and as for True MGS games theres been 4 in 10 years

kman3002

we're not gonna go into portable games cause then I'd have to go through Metal Gear Acid and Metriod Fusion etc. I did count Prime Hunters but even without that

in the last 5 years theres been 3 Prime console games apposed to the 4 MGS games in 10 years and 3 Halos in 9 years.

There have been 3 Halos in 6 years.:|

And8 MGS games in 7 years.:|

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]Also you should read the Halo novels before judging the storySonic_on_crack

probably because Halo would still win , seriously comparing a manga to a novel .... get real

There is more story to the Metroid Games then there is to Halo and the Halo games. Bungie failed at implenting all of the background from the books, comics, ect. What a shame.

And more doesnt equal better, everyone agrees Halo has a better story

Yeah everyone meaning Halo fans right? Face it, without the source material Halo's story is garbage. If we are just talking about the games called Halo and what resides in those games excluding things like books, comics, ect. Halo's story is pathetic. There practically isn't one except save man kind.

Yeah I agree. But Nintendo fanboys don't care and the general public has gone Wiimote crazy. In reality the Wii is an insult in more ways than one. But whatever.... no one is going to listen anyways.

this guy is acting like he just decided this....sorry, im not falling for it, i have read many of your previous posts.

and also out of the 3, the wii and maybe the 360 would have been the only consoles you could have sold for that much over the original price.

agreed. valid point #1 is making me 1 step closer to commiting nintendo suicide :/

wagexslave

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