I'm sorry for the most part PC games don't look THAT much better than consoles..

Dragon Age looks a lot better on PC.

Console games are usually a blurry mess.

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Hakkai007

I don't think this shows that the TC is wrong. I played through Dragon Age on the PC at high resolution and there's plenty of console games with better graphics. Also, I disagree about console games usually being a blurry mess. They look very nice on my 40" TV from a couple of metres away, with plenty of detail and quite sharp. Last gen games are generally pretty blurry though.

This gen, the HD consoles have much higher resolutions, more detailed textures, graphical effects and much better anti-aliasing. Going from 720p to 1080p and better anti-aliasing for PC multi-plats being the main difference is not what I would consider a huge difference. There's a minority of PC games where there really is a big difference compared to what consoles can do, hence "for the most part" (ie. majority - atleast more than 50%) there's not a huge difference IMO.

The people who disagree tend to be too picky as far as I'm concerned and overly critical of console graphics.

thats a mid range gaming rig, and will struggle to get close to maxing those newer games you mentioned, and maxing crysis or any game means running it at 1080p or above with AA at an average of 40 fps or above.

you cant make comparisons between pc and consoles until you meet these requirements, please read the rules more carefully in the future before posting

Oh look, it's this thread again.

I don't think this shows that the TC is wrong. I played through Dragon Age on the PC at high resolution and there's plenty of console games with better graphics. Also, I disagree about console games usually being a blurry mess. They look very nice on my 40" TV from a couple of metres away, with plenty of detail and quite sharp. Last gen games are generally pretty blurry though.

This gen, the HD consoles have much higher resolutions, more detailed textures, graphical effects and much better anti-aliasing. Going from 720p to 1080p and better anti-aliasing for PC multi-plats being the main difference is not what I would consider a huge difference. There's a minority of PC games where there really is a big difference compared to what consoles can do, hence "for the most part" (ie. majority - atleast more than 50%) there's not a huge difference IMO.

The people who disagree tend to be too picky as far as I'm concerned and overly critical of console graphics.

tubbyc

You must have not installed the texture mods for DA then.

Also going from 480P to 720P is around a 600,000 pixel difference.

Going from 720P to 1080P is almost a 1,200,000 pixel difference.

So there is a much bigger difference.

720P is very low res and I was gaming at a higher res back 10 years ago on my PC.

There is quite a difference in having just higher res and AA+AF. But PC games do also higher settings a lot of the time too, even on multiplats.

Games like Devil May Cry 4 had high textures, 16xQCSAA, higher shaders, better effects, better bump mapping and Legendary Dark Knight mode (which consoles wouldn't have been able to handle).

I have been using AA for so long that any game that has jagged edges is almost unplayable because it is so distracting.....especially when you cannot force AA.

ANd yes Dragon Age looks a lot better on PC especially with mods.

This is honestly the stupidest debate ever. Lets compare a fixed product with a variable one. A fixed cost to a variable cost.

Bottom line is I play on a PC and all consoles, and the difference is exaggerated around here.

Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.dantesergei

And we have console gamers that think their games look better than PC ones like the Killzone 2/3 > Crysis or Uncharted 2 > Crysis threads.

Also they compare 360 vs PS3 multiplats and the slightest difference in color has them declaring some type of huge difference but when a PC multiplat looks a lot better they just say the difference is minimal.

There was the huge fuss over Alan Wake not being 720P and they even went to great lengths as to count pixels.

The hypocrisy is pretty bad.

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]You played Crysis maxed out but can't run Bad Company 2? ampiva

Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.dantesergei

haha! that's right. how would you cute animals otherwise know anything about it :]

Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.dantesergei

This is honestly the stupidest debate ever. Lets compare a fixed product with a variable one. A fixed cost to a variable cost.

Bottom line is I play on a PC and all consoles, and the difference is exaggerated around here.

h575309

Do I need to really prove you wrong with The Witcher 2 screenshots?

[QUOTE="h575309"]

This is honestly the stupidest debate ever. Lets compare a fixed product with a variable one. A fixed cost to a variable cost.

Bottom line is I play on a PC and all consoles, and the difference is exaggerated around here.

Do I need to really prove you wrong with The Witcher 2 screenshots?

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.groowagon

haha! that's right. how would you cute animals otherwise know anything about it :]

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.Kokuro_Kun

Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.dantesergei

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.Kokuro_Kun

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.blue_hazy_basic

Quoted for truth.

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.blue_hazy_basic

Ellipses Ellipses Ellipses............

What is up with Forums posts that have so many damn Ellipses.

JangoWuzHere

This reminds me of the guy who posted Wii CoD and PC CoD on low and said the Wii is comparable to a PC :Pmillerlight89

You're going to have to dig that up and link it. That sounds hilarious. :P

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[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.dantesergei

haha! that's right. how would you cute animals otherwise know anything about it :]

it's ok. i don't judge people for their sexuality.

I agree with the OP, the way some hermits talk about the difference in performance between PC/Console you would think that you are getting a radically different experience on the PC. The reality is that PC/Console multiplats share the same character models, gemoetry, layout etc, The difference comes in texture resolution, framerates, screen resolution and superior lighting/particle effects. The actual experience of playing the game is no different, and depending on your PC the visual experience is slightly better, but nowhere near the leap the fanboys make it out to be. Ultimately it's a matter of preference. There are more highly rated games released for the 360/PS3, more than double the amount of AAA titles for the 360 than the PC this year alone, but the PC has the best RTS games, a better control scheme for FPS and a deeper library, PC gives you the advantage of the best version of the multiplats it gets, but you miss out on a lot of console multiplats. PC gives you mods, consoles give you the big TV and comfy couch killer combo. (Yes I know you can plug your TV into the PC but who wants a PC tower in their front room? We're not all basement dwellers you know.) PC has the most flexible (and free) online play, consoles are better for local multiplayer and social gaming. Personally I use both, both have their advantages and disadvantages, the arrogant assumption of some Hermits that the only reason you could possibly play games on a console is if you're poor or too stupid to figure out how to turn a PC on is simply ignorant.Elutheria

PC cases come in all shapes and sizes.

If a 360 or PS3 case is not annoying to have in front of your living room then a PC is no different.

You are just trying to stack the deck in your favor.

And the differences are much more than just slightly, especially with games like Gears of War.

It is not arrogant to think most consolites barely know anything about computers because most of the time that assumption is perfectly correct.

I better not see even one post from you trying to compare Xbox 360 to PS3 because if PC games are only slightly better looking then the differences of Xbox 360 vs PS3 are non existent.

Time to post a few Crysis shots:

Crysis at 1920*1080, 16xAA, Very High/modded.

PoM/AF mod, EQM (colour correction, DoF standalones), Silent's High Res Foliage. No bullshotting utilized (e_screenshot) such as in those "photorealstic" screenies we get.

Image's like those posted, with mentioned mods run at a pretty stable 50 fps on an I7 920, 3.6 ghz and two GTX460s in SLI.

I'll leave the "maxed out" verdict to you people but an 8800gt is not even coming close to max this game.

I agree with the OP, the way some hermits talk about the difference in performance between PC/Console you would think that you are getting a radically different experience on the PC. The reality is that PC/Console multiplats share the same character models, gemoetry, layout etc, The difference comes in texture resolution, framerates, screen resolution and superior lighting/particle effects. The actual experience of playing the game is no different, and depending on your PC the visual experience is slightly better, but nowhere near the leap the fanboys make it out to be. Ultimately it's a matter of preference. Elutheria

The OP's whole point was about how the games look not how they play. Look it even says it in the title ->I'm sorry for the most part PC games don't look THAT much better than consoles.. Also it was inevitable that losing the argument someone had to switch over from the best graphics to the best gameplay argument. If the OP meant that gameplay was the same he not only mistitled his thread, but also made his arguments incorrectly.

The reason the OP is being heckled is because what he says doesn't add up. Imagine if a PC gamer said that he or she played all of the best looking PS3 games and that in his or her opinion they don't stack up to any PC game. Then throw in that they hadn't played Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2? Saying you maxed out Crysis but then can barely play BC2 smacks of a lie somewhere. Also if he wanted to make a valid comparison you have to have a level playing field. Suppose I said I compared my PC games with a 30" LCD monitor against a 15" SD resolution TV. Would that valid? Of course not. Then why would using your 50" against a 19" (which can't really max out Crysis btw) be anymore valid?

When the Xbox360 and PS3 initially were available, yes the graphics gap wasn't that huge. Since Crysis came out and beyond that gap has grown and grows more every day. If and when the next generation of consoles comes out that gap might start over again and it might not depending how much of a lead PC has and how much the Sony & MS want to gamble on a new console.

Time to post a few Crysis shots:

Crysis at 1920*1080, 16xAA, Very High/modded.

PoM/AF mod, EQM (colour correction, DoF standalones), Silent's High Res Foliage. No bullshotting utilized (e_screenshot) such as in those "photorealstic" screenies we get.

Image's like those posted, with mentioned mods run at a pretty stable 50 fps on an I7 920, 3.6 ghz and two GTX460s in SLI.

I'll leave the "maxed out" verdict to you people but an 8800gt is not even coming close to max this game.

Filthybastrd

Holy crap was it necessary to post so many screenshots?

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Time to post a few Crysis shots:

Crysis at 1920*1080, 16xAA, Very High/modded.

PoM/AF mod, EQM (colour correction, DoF standalones), Silent's High Res Foliage. No bullshotting utilized (e_screenshot) such as in those "photorealstic" screenies we get.

Image's like those posted, with mentioned mods run at a pretty stable 50 fps on an I7 920, 3.6 ghz and two GTX460s in SLI.

I'll leave the "maxed out" verdict to you people but an 8800gt is not even coming close to max this game.

marcogamer07

Holy crap was it necessary to post so many screenshots?

Sorry, I actually tried to restrain myself.

I was mostly trying to make a point about visual fidelity and the whole concept of "maxing" the game on "old" single gpu cards. That's what Crysis actually looks like, it's still better than anything else.

If anyone thinks Crysis looks way better, they're free to link me the mods needed and I'll be more than happy to put it to the test.

Edit: I'm very pleased with the real-time destruction although those 4 images don't really do the game justice ;) Well.... None of the images do the game in motion justice.

I'm also very pleased with the second screenshot where I'm proned in foliage. It's by no means a beautifull image but it shows what happens when Crysis shoves the enviroment right in your face. You don't want to get that close to textures in KZ2;)

Editedit: Also, I'm a big enforcer of portraying Crysis in a "fair" way. No hunting for really good angles and taking screenshots at 3840*2160. I've practically become the champion of real Crysis screenshots :P

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[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Time to post a few Crysis shots:

Crysis at 1920*1080, 16xAA, Very High/modded.

PoM/AF mod, EQM (colour correction, DoF standalones), Silent's High Res Foliage. No bullshotting utilized (e_screenshot) such as in those "photorealstic" screenies we get.

Image's like those posted, with mentioned mods run at a pretty stable 50 fps on an I7 920, 3.6 ghz and two GTX460s in SLI.

I'll leave the "maxed out" verdict to you people but an 8800gt is not even coming close to max this game.

Filthybastrd

Holy crap was it necessary to post so many screenshots?

Sorry, I actually tried to restrain myself.

It's okay it's just that it felt like my monitor was about to explode from all the screenshots. lol

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Sorry, I actually tried to restrain myself.

It's okay it's just that it felt like my monitor was about to explode from all the screenshots. lol

PC gives you mods, consoles give you the big TV and comfy couch killer combo. Yes I know you can plug your TV into the PC but who wants a PC tower in their front room? We're not all basement dwellers you know.Elutheria

Yet another thread where people question PC's graphics, then complain when PC gamers actually demonstrate they are wrong.

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.Kokuro_Kun

Well, that's obviously not true :? Why state such an obvious fallacy?

Yet another thread where people question PC's graphics, then complain when PC gamers actually demonstrate they are wrong.

AnnoyedDragon

The simplest explanation, yet one that hit the nail square on the head. Hypocricy is way too widespread on this board.

Yet another thread where people question PC's graphics, then complain when PC gamers actually demonstrate they are wrong.

AnnoyedDragon

Spot on. Somehow, being able to actually prove how your games look is a bad thing on these boards.

You claim that your computer can max out Crysis yet it chugs when plaing Battlefield: Badcompany 2? I don't know but...

You claim that your computer can max out Crysis yet it chugs when plaing Battlefield: Badcompany 2? I don't know but...

Vesica_Prime

To be fair "maxed" Crysis is a very wide definition of variables even before you take AA into account so he's probably just misguided.

That being said, I'm not one to accept such claims since I know for a fact that dual 460's can't max Crysis at 60 fps at any of the resolutions us Hermits tout as being an advantage of PC gaming.

For comparisons sake, lets take a bad port of a game:

VS

That's a direct port.... As in: It's the very same game code. You just get a better res and AA.

Ok I added some things to Dragon Age now to show why it looks much better than the Console version.

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Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.dantesergei

What some don't realize when they make 20 picture posts is that it's registered the same way as a wall of text.

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.topgunmv

What some don't realize when they make 20 picture posts is that it's registered the same way as a wall of text.

In a thread about "PC games not having all that good gfx" that's pretty much ignoring proof of the opposite.

Edit: if they're regarded as "walls of text" that's just a certain brand of fanboyism. Consolites don't like having no valid arguments.

Besides, you seem to be quite the PC critsicst for someone who owns a gaming rig.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="dantesergei"]Seriously hermits are the worse, walls of pictures in every bloody thread that mentions crysis or graphics in general.Filthybastrd

What some don't realize when they make 20 picture posts is that it's registered the same way as a wall of text.

In a thread about "PC games not having all that good gfx" that's pretty much ignoring proof of the opposite.

Edit: if they're regarded as "walls of text" that's just a certain brand of fanboyism.

Or that people have monthly bandwidth limits (like I do), or don't want to sit and wait for 20 pictures to load. You should be able to make your point with 1 or 2 pictures.

Ok I added some things to Dragon Age now to show why it looks much better than the Console version.

Hakkai007

I often see you posting many pics at a time in a single post and you don't take the time to resize them so it's quite annoying to have to scroll right and left just to see more of the picture. Here's how it should be done people:

This takes less space. Is much prettier to see. Doesn't make the page take as long to load. And if people actually do want to see the pictures in full size/quality they can click on it.

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

What some don't realize when they make 20 picture posts is that it's registered the same way as a wall of text.

topgunmv

In a thread about "PC games not having all that good gfx" that's pretty much ignoring proof of the opposite.

Edit: if they're regarded as "walls of text" that's just a certain brand of fanboyism.

Or that people have monthly bandwidth limits (like I do), or don't want to sit and wait for 20 pictures to load. You should be able to make your point with 1 or 2 pictures.

In that case you don't use XBL or PSN either right? Those are bloated to like ****

How come every time someone starts a sentence with "I'm sorry," they aren't really sorry at all?

Anyway a standard rig even these days can beat consoles but you still need a powerful rig to really see the biggest differences.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

In a thread about "PC games not having all that good gfx" that's pretty much ignoring proof of the opposite.

Edit: if they're regarded as "walls of text" that's just a certain brand of fanboyism.

Filthybastrd

Or that people have monthly bandwidth limits (like I do), or don't want to sit and wait for 20 pictures to load. You should be able to make your point with 1 or 2 pictures.

In that case you don't use XBL or PSN either right? Those are bloated to like ****

I use the websites, but I disable silverlight. When I have to download large files for work or games I bring my computer to a friend or relative's place that has landline broadband.

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Or that people have monthly bandwidth limits (like I do), or don't want to sit and wait for 20 pictures to load. You should be able to make your point with 1 or 2 pictures.

topgunmv

In that case you don't use XBL or PSN either right? Those are bloated to like ****

I use the websites, but I disable silverlight. When I have to download large files for work or games I bring my computer to a friend or relative's place that has landline broadband.

Ok, but you should be prepared to look at a lot of screenshots in a thread about game graphics, let alone one about PC graphics.

I digress, the few consolites that know how to and can create actual screenshots are'nt posting because they're quite bad in comparison.

The whole "ignored as wall of text" argument? People ignore everything that does'nt support their idea. Especially when it proves them wrong.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

In that case you don't use XBL or PSN either right? Those are bloated to like ****

Filthybastrd

I use the websites, but I disable silverlight. When I have to download large files for work or games I bring my computer to a friend or relative's place that has landline broadband.

Ok, but you should be prepared to look at a lot of screenshots in a thread about game graphics, let alone one about PC graphics.

I digress, the few consolites that know how to and can create actual screenshots are'nt posting because they're quite bad in comparison.

The whole "ignored as wall of text" argument? People ignore everything that does'nt support their idea. Especially when it proves them wrong.

Right, but it's especially easy to ignore when they have 10 seconds to push escape to stop them all from downloading. It's better to just capture one money shot and post it.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I use the websites, but I disable silverlight. When I have to download large files for work or games I bring my computer to a friend or relative's place that has landline broadband.

topgunmv

Ok, but you should be prepared to look at a lot of screenshots in a thread about game graphics, let alone one about PC graphics.

I digress, the few consolites that know how to and can create actual screenshots are'nt posting because they're quite bad in comparison.

The whole "ignored as wall of text" argument? People ignore everything that does'nt support their idea. Especially when it proves them wrong.

Right, but it's especially easy to ignore when they have 10 seconds to push escape to stop them all from downloading. It's better to just capture one money shot and post it.

Why do a single money shot when you can accurately represent the general quality? Especially when the oppostion can't.

Edit: Take my very own Crysis images for example. I have'nt had anyone call them either bad or bull. That signifies that noone can come up with anything better. That challenge is still open of course. Feel free to post Crysis Screenies and mod links/names and I shall happily show you a comparison.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Ok, but you should be prepared to look at a lot of screenshots in a thread about game graphics, let alone one about PC graphics.

I digress, the few consolites that know how to and can create actual screenshots are'nt posting because they're quite bad in comparison.

The whole "ignored as wall of text" argument? People ignore everything that does'nt support their idea. Especially when it proves them wrong.

Filthybastrd

Right, but it's especially easy to ignore when they have 10 seconds to push escape to stop them all from downloading. It's better to just capture one money shot and post it.

Why do a single money shot when you can accurately represent the general quality? Especially when the oppostion can't.

For the same reason editorials aren't 12 pages long. The idea is to get to the point.

Why write 12 pages when 5 paragraphs can do the job better and quicker, especially when not many will read all 12 pages?

Why post 20 good pictures when one excellent picture will do the job better and quicker, especially when not many will look at all 20 pictures?

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Right, but it's especially easy to ignore when they have 10 seconds to push escape to stop them all from downloading. It's better to just capture one money shot and post it.

topgunmv

Why do a single money shot when you can accurately represent the general quality? Especially when the oppostion can't.

For the same reason editorials aren't 12 pages long. The idea is to get to the point.

Why write 12 pages when 5 paragraphs can do the job better and quicker, especially when not many will read all 12 pages?

Why post 20 good pictures when one excellent picture will do the job better and quicker, especially when not many will look at all 20 pictures?

That one excellent picture is'nt an actual representation. I could take 20 horrible Crysis shots and post them in 15 minutes if I wanted to.

That's just my personal take on this, I expect most people just post numerous images to get the point across:

PC games really do look that much better.