In nine short years, has Microsoft surpassed Sony in gaming?

Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

Yeah the MS gaming divison is showing profit but the cost of the billion dollars for the warrenties were aabsorb into the company so they don't show on the gaming divison.

If releasing the most faulty hardware in recent gaming history and pulling the wool over the consumers eyes with a waranty extension and new chipsets is doing very well...I guess your right.Jynxzor

That's just the thing. Even with the RROD, they've managed to do very well.

I suppose it depends on your definition of "surpassing." Sony has done more for gaming than Microsoft has ever done, so i'm gonna go ahead and say no on this one.

I suppose it depends on your definition of "surpassing." Sony has done more for gaming than Microsoft has ever done, so i'm gonna go ahead and say no on this one.

brennan7777

How so?

Sony obliterated the competition for 2 generations. While Microsoft has yet to see what first place is like ON top of that while this is most certainly a humbling generation for Sony they have clearly shown a superior 1st/2nd party to Microsot and one that might not even rival nintendo at this point. I would argue they've made a strong enough case to say they are stronger in terms of Depth(as in more studios for Sony that put on a stronger console show). Sony still has a very strong legacy in gaming, and for all intents and purposes they have chipped away at the lead Microsoft has had for awhile. Microsoft was at a point where they had just gotten so much better than the previous generation. Just right now it feels like they are stuck in neutral. Hopefully Natal is what they actually need. jg4xchamp

Um what? We are allways hearing how sales don't matter to the 2cepts well 64, Gamecube and Xbox were all superior to ps1 & ps2 hardware no question.

The original Xbox worked well enough, but lost money hand-over-fist—a consequence of being put together in a hurry, using what were essentially commodity PC parts. The Xbox 360 has started making money after several years of substantial losses (exacerbated by chronic unreliability issues), but even this modest success is arguably as much to do with Sony's dubious managerial decisions as it is to any particular quality of the Xbox 360. Hoping for your competitor to fail isn't a business model.

And all this money has only gotten Microsoft to second place in the market; both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 lag far behind Nintendo's Wii. Even that second place is not assured; Microsoft beat Sony to market by some months, and attained a sizable sales lead, but Sony is slowly beginning to fight back and diminish that advantage.Peter Bright for Ars Technica

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Sony obliterated the competition for 2 generations. While Microsoft has yet to see what first place is like ON top of that while this is most certainly a humbling generation for Sony they have clearly shown a superior 1st/2nd party to Microsot and one that might not even rival nintendo at this point. I would argue they've made a strong enough case to say they are stronger in terms of Depth(as in more studios for Sony that put on a stronger console show). Sony still has a very strong legacy in gaming, and for all intents and purposes they have chipped away at the lead Microsoft has had for awhile. Microsoft was at a point where they had just gotten so much better than the previous generation. Just right now it feels like they are stuck in neutral. Hopefully Natal is what they actually need. Nawshus

Um what? We are allways hearing how sales don't matter to the 2cepts well 64, Gamecube and Xbox were all superior to ps1 & ps2 hardware no question.

Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

bphan

Um sure, the MS was saved by thier money. any other company that fumbles that bad (xbox 1, warrantees) would have folded

the 360 did whatit had to do this year with help from nintendo taking sony's reign at 1st place. I see it as a cooperative effort without getting recognition. everything is going according to plan for MS but they really shoting theirself in the foot with NATAL

the 360 did whatit had to do this year with help from nintendo taking sony's reign at 1st place. I see it as a cooperative effort without getting recognition. everything is going according to plan for MS but they really shoting theirself in the foot with NATAL

Mario1331

Not with how bad Microsoft failed last gen.

If releasing the most faulty hardware in recent gaming history and pulling the wool over the consumers eyes with a waranty extension and new chipsets is doing very well...I guess your right.Jynxzor

Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

bphan

In yet microsoft and sony are still fighting for 3rdDiviniuz

no only Sony is in 3rd place.

They finally achieve their PS2 mantra.
"The third place...."

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Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

Rockman999

oh the old "Playstation family" leverage.

NO!!!!!!!!!!! i am not a fanboy but ps2 owned xbox...and xbox had the advantage so the first 2 years of ps3...it was loosing....but COME ON ps3 is OWNING right now it's doing way better for games and the slim is a masterpiece built near perfection and i enjoy my ps3 WAY better then my 360....that's why i sold it :)

They just had more money to throw at it.

Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

bphan

Surpassed? naa, but it reached the same level as Sony, which is really impressive by all standards, MS wanted to become a household name, and they got it.

Surpassing sony has not been done however, Sony had a good year last yer, while MS was losing alittle steam.

If MS will end up surpassing Sony in gaming? well I guess part of that question will be answered at e3, and the obvious notion that MS will likely be ready with thier next console way before Sony ends up getting ready for a new one. If MS ends up getting a year headstart on Sony again, then They may very likely end up surpassing them.

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Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

metalgear-solid

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]In yet microsoft and sony are still fighting for 3rdAdmiralBison

no only Sony is in 3rd place.

They finally achieve their PS2 mantra.
"The third place...."

if its microsoft vs sony and your opinion is based on sales, then the psp should be noted then.

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[QUOTE="bphan"]

Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

Grawse

Yeah cos games cease to exist after a year :roll:

360 slaughtered PS3 for years and now PS3 finally gets a year back

"O those other years never counted anyway!!!!" PS fanboys...

MS is surely getting better but i dont think it surpassed Sony...

since TC mentioned 9 yrs since MS got in the console gaming division then we have to see what both MS & Sony did in the past 9 years..

Wanna talk sales? see what both sold in total in the past 9 yrs

Wanna talk games? see what both had to offer 1st party / exclusives in the past 9yrs

Wanna talk profit? erm we should see how much both lost in the past 9yrs :)

Also seeing both user install base its not like 360 has 30 million more consoles sold compared to PS3, they are actually quite close.. and surely many of those systems sold are due to faulty hardward.. (Personally over here MS doesnt cover the 3 yr warranty so when my 360 died last year, i had to buy a new one for Eur100, giving them back the old one)... so i bought 2 x 360's & so far 1 x PS3 since its working fine :)

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[QUOTE="metalgear-solid"]Hardware units sold? Sony's got the upper hand, and rightfully so. And that despite a slow start.

Total exclusives? PS3 has a much greater and more variable list of exclusives.
Total library? I would say PS3 is ahead, even though their libraries are rather similar.
Profit? Just count all the loss MS has got from RROD.

locopatho

Yeah cos games cease to exist after a year :roll:

360 slaughtered PS3 for years and now PS3 finally gets a year back

"O those other years never counted anyway!!!!" PS fanboys...

Profit wise MS is selling there games 2-1 some games 3-1comepared to the ps3 since theres more gamers on the 360 and most the people i know only have a ps3 for a blueray player and sony is gonna start charging for the online with the platinum PSN is coming out later this year since there still losing money on eadch system they sell the slim they lost $17 a console while with the fat ps3 they lost $40 and remember when the system first launched in 2006 they lost $240 per system soldwhile microsoft been making a avg profit $71 per system sold and reports till date Sonys gaming industry has lost over 3Billlion untill they can gain a profit sony will be keeping the ps3 for 20years+

Overall probably not. This gen, personally yes, since 360 has easly one of the best lineups i have ever seen on a console.

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[QUOTE="Grawse"]I agree with the PS3 having a better library. Lems just like to hide behind old ass games like Ghost Recon, Gears 1, Mass Effect 1. Perfect Dark Zero, and try claim 360 has the better library. PS3 is owning the 360 big time in exclusives since the start of 09. In both quality and quantity.

Grawse

Yeah cos games cease to exist after a year :roll:

360 slaughtered PS3 for years and now PS3 finally gets a year back

"O those other years never counted anyway!!!!" PS fanboys...

[QUOTE="bphan"]

Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

Lantern-Cusp

Well, Microsoft is beating Sony in all these things so not sure what's so funny. Sony wishes they were in either Microsoft or Nintendos position.

Profit wise MS is selling there games 2-1 some games 3-1comepared to the ps3 since theres more gamers on the 360 and most the people i know only have a ps3 for a blueray player and sony is gonna start charging for the online with the platinum PSN is coming out later this year since there still losing money on eadch system they sell the slim they lost $17 a console while with the fat ps3 they lost $40 and remember when the system first launched in 2006 they lost $240 per system soldwhile microsoft been making a avg profit $71 per system sold and reports till date Sonys gaming industry has lost over 3Billlion untill they can gain a profit sony will be keeping the ps3 for 20years+

gundaicut

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[QUOTE="bphan"]

Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

Well, Microsoft is beating Sony in all these things so not sure what's so funny. Sony wishes they were in either Microsoft or Nintendos position.

MS has come a long way and Sony has lost allot of ground so um yeah, the playing field should be fairly level heading into next gen and I can't wait. :P

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[QUOTE="bphan"]

Microsoft is beating Sony in hardware units sold, total exclusives, total library and most importantly, PROFIT.

I'm just going by these variables. Microsoft is doing very well this generation.

rp108

Well, Microsoft is beating Sony in all these things so not sure what's so funny. Sony wishes they were in either Microsoft or Nintendos position.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]If releasing the most faulty hardware in recent gaming history and pulling the wool over the consumers eyes with a waranty extension and new chipsets is doing very well...I guess your right.bphan

That's just the thing. Even with the RROD, they've managed to do very well.

In yet microsoft and sony are still fighting for 3rdDiviniuz

Business wise yes, gaming wise NO. MS is more profitable because they milk gamers more than Sony does. MS charges $90 for wifi, $35 - $50 a year for live, $120 for a HD if you bought an arcade unit, $12 for rechargeable batteries, $50 for a controller with out rechargeable batteries in it and nickel and dimes you for things that should be free when you buy games like clothes for your avatar. Sony on the other hand gives you free PSN, includes rechargeable battery in controller, all PS3's have wifi and does not force you to buy proprietary HD's. Also Sony's 1st party is constantly producing quality titles hitting homeruns while MS's 1st party hits a few homeruns between a bunch of strikeouts or base hits.

that made no sense, if you have to compare the last 9 years, you have to put the sales of the ps2 psp and ps3 vs the sales of xbox and xbox 360. as you said M$ vs sony in gaming. we are talking microsoft 70 millions ish vs sony's 200+ millions ish