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#151 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="caseypayne69"] 90% of PC users buy pre built PC's so my point is still valid. Not everyone builds their own cheap PC that is good enough to run Crysis. You can not dethrown this statement. You can not buy a PC that can run Crysis on high from a major supplier like Dell or HP for the price you can get a PS3.

Link for statistic. Even if your completely random statistic was even half way correct, pre made PCs do not cost 3K dollars. If anything, they only costa bout 100 more than their custom made counterparts all things considered. So even then, you're not going to be spending any more than 1K on a rig to run Crysis on max settings.
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#152 GodLovesDead
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What is Gamespot trying to pull? I really want to know. Can we get an editor to comment on this or something? It's evident Gamespot doesn't have a single gaming PC in their offices. Just look at the Left 4 Dead screenshots they put up. Gamespot, we know you've jumped on the console wagon many years ago. But can you atleast humor us hermits? What can they even say? "Crysis looks too good, it wouldn't be fair to other games in the competition". Scrub attitude.
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#153 Lionheart08
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Alot of ugly images for MGS4, these are some I've took a while ago.

mgs

mgs 1

mgs4

I hope that will do, Im not saying MGS4 > Crysis because it is a big NO for me but Im just saying people here doesn't post good images lol.

However, MGS4 graphically is the best on consoles imho.

HAZE-Unit

Nice Pics. That's the reason I don't like these type of threads, because TC's rarely go out of their way to look for good pics of games they bash.

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#154 Pinkyimp
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What is Gamespot trying to pull? I really want to know. Can we get an editor to comment on this or something? It's evident Gamespot doesn't have a single gaming PC in their offices. Just look at the Left 4 Dead screenshots they put up. Gamespot, we know you've jumped on the console wagon many years ago. But can you atleast humor us hermits? What can they even say? "Crysis looks too good, it wouldn't be fair to other games in the competition". Scrub attitude.GodLovesDead
ROFL, you mean this screen shot? http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=937406&img=1&popup=1#next
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#155 AnnoyedDragon
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What is Gamespot trying to pull? I really want to know. Can we get an editor to comment on this or something? It's evident Gamespot doesn't have a single gaming PC in their offices. Just look at the Left 4 Dead screenshots they put up. Gamespot, we know you've jumped on the console wagon many years ago. But can you atleast humor us hermits? What can they even say? "Crysis looks too good, it wouldn't be fair to other games in the competition". Scrub attitude.GodLovesDead

GameSpot does throw us a bone occasionally, they're just not very good at it.

For example did you see the PC Vs console comparison over in the PC section? They showed PC looks better; but completely screwed up the demonstration by making it look like a state of the art PC was needed to do the job.

They used a PC with a 280GTX and other equivalent components (reinforcing the mentality that 2k+ PCs are needed to beat consoles) at 1920x1200 Vs consoles; then they downscaled and cropped the comparison shots to the same as the console ones, enough said.

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#156 kozzy1234
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hey I got a crazy idea, maybe crysis warhead didn't win because Crysis came out last year, and it wasn't as impressive because crysis had already done those graphcs last year.-Mad_Rhetoric-

Still doesnt matter man, if you have crysis warhead and mgs4 on at the sametime next to each other, its not even close.

I own both games, but Crysis warhead destroys it. Who cares when Crysis came out, Crysis Warhead and Crysis both are still the best looking graphics technically out at the moment. Its not an opinion, its a fact and gamestop made a mistake.

I personally enjoy MGS4 more then Crysis Warhead, but as far as graphics go its obvious as hell to me which is better graphically.

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#157 GTR2addict
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[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]What is Gamespot trying to pull? I really want to know. Can we get an editor to comment on this or something? It's evident Gamespot doesn't have a single gaming PC in their offices. Just look at the Left 4 Dead screenshots they put up. Gamespot, we know you've jumped on the console wagon many years ago. But can you atleast humor us hermits? What can they even say? "Crysis looks too good, it wouldn't be fair to other games in the competition". Scrub attitude.AnnoyedDragon

GameSpot does throw us a bone occasionally, they're just not very good at it.

For example did you see the PC Vs console comparison over in the PC section? They showed PC looks better; but completely screwed up the demonstration by making it look like a state of the art PC was needed to do the job.

They used a PC with a 280GTX and other equivalent components (reinforcing the mentality that 2k+ PCs are needed to beat consoles) at 1920x1200 Vs consoles; then they downscaled and cropped the comparison shots to the same as the console ones, enough said.

that proves the whole bloodyt point, they couldve just used a pc like mine, at 1680x1050, it wold still OWN the consoles
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#158 Animal-Mother
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It won why can't people seem to see that.
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#159 urdead18
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Oh cmon, you chose the worst possible MGS4 picture and the best possible Crysis Warhead picture, although I do agree Crysis looks better(On very high though, looks nowhere near as good as MGS4 on low-medium, about the same on high) MGS4 looks much better than that picture and comparable to Crysis. Especially with all the details in MGS4, shoot locker doors they come off, tiles move, bloom effects, etc.
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#160 steve17989
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Oh cmon, you chose the worst possible MGS4 picture and the best possible Crysis Warhead picture, although I do agree Crysis looks better(On very high though, looks nowhere near as good as MGS4 on low-medium, about the same on high) MGS4 looks much better than that picture and comparable to Crysis. Especially with all the details in MGS4, shoot locker doors they come off, tiles move, bloom effects, etc.urdead18

Well, that's one of the worst Crysis Warhead screens I've ever seen, so that alone proves you've never played the game. Even on high setting Crysis Warhead blows MGSIV out of the water graphically. There is nothing graphically in MGSIV that's comparable to Crysis Warhead, because Crysis is just too far ahead graphically. Also, there are far more of those 'details' in Crysis than in MGSIV.

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#161 crazy-player
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great job posting the worst MGS4 screen-Mad_Rhetoric-

Great, nice job posting a not in-game, touched up screen.

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#162 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Dude, GOW: Chains of Olympus should of won. It's technically impressive considering it's on the PSP. Hell, even FFIV should of won. :(

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#163 AgentA-Mi6
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http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/images.html?tag=tabs%3Bimages&page=10#

The picture in the original Post is from 2006.

The full retail Version we have today doesnt Look like that.

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#164 foreverflame890
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Meh!!!..All i know gears of war 2 got that shaft and that's that.
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#165 DragonfireXZ95
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Alot of ugly images for MGS4, these are some I've took a while ago.

mgs

mgs 1

mgs4

I hope that will do, Im not saying MGS4 > Crysis because it is a big NO for me but Im just saying people here doesn't post good images lol.

However, MGS4 graphically is the best on consoles imho.

HAZE-Unit
You took those awhile ago? Is that why there is a watermark in the lower right hand corner? Those are better screenshots, but you don't have to lie about taking them yourself.
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#166 ronniepage588
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yeah, why is this thread still going i thought somebody would have modded it by now, thats the worst mgs4 screen shot ever and its not even from the final build, thats some pre-release crap. anyways. gamespot is always biased whenever somebody disagrees with it. this is getting really old.
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#167 HAZE-Unit
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[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Alot of ugly images for MGS4, these are some I've took a while ago.

mgs

mgs 1

mgs4

I hope that will do, Im not saying MGS4 > Crysis because it is a big NO for me but Im just saying people here doesn't post good images lol.

However, MGS4 graphically is the best on consoles imho.

DragonfireXZ95

You took those awhile ago? Is that why there is a watermark in the lower right hand corner? Those are better screenshots, but you don't have to lie about taking them yourself.

mgs 5

Are you freaking serious?

mgs 4

How did I do that? don't tell me photoshop because I'll prove you wrong again.

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#168 Marka1700
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Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't the winners decided by user voates and not GS themself.
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#169 UnknownSniper65
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You guys have no clue what you're talking about...Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3 should have won.

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#170 deactivated-5a84f3399aa1c
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Or maybe their opinion differs from yours.
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#171 -Mad_Rhetoric-
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[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]great job posting the worst MGS4 screencrazy-player

Great, nice job posting a not in-game, touched up screen.

:lol: do you even know wtf your talking about mgs 4 cutscenes are all reatime
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#172 Wartzay
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/thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geddu0W1e3w

-Note: This is my own footage, Enthusiast settings. There's probably tons of other videos around that are better quality.

If Warhead doesnt get best graphics, its highway robbery at noon.

Edit:sorry about the sound being out of sync, its a problem fraps has sometimes.

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#173 -TheSecondSign-
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Crysis is the best looking game period. Its fun to watch people argue otherwise, but anyone whose seen the game running on a top machine and what scale it can put out those graphics, you're hopelessly lost if you disagree. Its the best looking game for realism.
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#174 naruto7777
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Fallout 3 looks better than MGS4
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#175 Wartzay
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Fallout 3 looks better than MGS4naruto7777

I'd agree with you but for Fallout 3 utterly pathetic 1996 level character animation.

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#176 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="caseypayne69"] Bingo, Crysis would have won if it looked as good as it did and run on twice as low PC requirements. Its how you get so much out of so little thats techni about it. Sure with a PC you can go texture physics crazy and demand the gamer to buy this 3k pc to run the game at max setting or you can buy a PS3 for $400 or what ever and run a really nice looking game with tons going on, on screen. Thats why MGS4 > Crysis. Crysis would look like CRAP on the PS3 or 360 hardware. MGS4 doesn't look like crap case in point MGS4 is a tech achievement.caseypayne69
Big problem with your argument. You can get a rig that can run Crysis far surpassing anything currently on consoles for about 6-700 dollars. You DO NOT need a 3K rig.

90% of PC users buy pre built PC's so my point is still valid. Not everyone builds their own cheap PC that is good enough to run Crysis. You can not dethrown this statement. You can not buy a PC that can run Crysis on high from a major supplier like Dell or HP for the price you can get a PS3.

Why is that console users like to factor in price when their up against PC? And your 90% buy pre-built PC's is BS and made up by of coarse you. I don't think I have anything else to say really. Your throwing out false facts to try to win an arguement which I find really stupid. Unless you can link me to a site with your info then you really should just leave this thread because I and others don't believe liers.
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#177 JangoWuzHere
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Fallout 3 looks better than MGS4naruto7777
Not really. I didn't really think Fallout 3 was a very good looking game in the first place.
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#178 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Alot of ugly images for MGS4, these are some I've took a while ago.

mgs

mgs 1

mgs4

I hope that will do, Im not saying MGS4 > Crysis because it is a big NO for me but Im just saying people here doesn't post good images lol.

However, MGS4 graphically is the best on consoles imho.

HAZE-Unit

You took those awhile ago? Is that why there is a watermark in the lower right hand corner? Those are better screenshots, but you don't have to lie about taking them yourself.

mgs 5

Are you freaking serious?

mgs 4

How did I do that? don't tell me photoshop because I'll prove you wrong again.

What is that watermark then?
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#179 BTBAM127
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*sigh* its been 3 days, dont you think, you know, its time to move on?
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#180 dream431ca
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SOme people don't seem to know what technical means.Cedmln

Ditto.

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#181 BTBAM127
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[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] You took those awhile ago? Is that why there is a watermark in the lower right hand corner? Those are better screenshots, but you don't have to lie about taking them yourself.DragonfireXZ95

Are you freaking serious?

How did I do that? don't tell me photoshop because I'll prove you wrong again.

What is that watermark then?

the last i remember, the ingame camera that you can use to take pics (first or 3rd person mode) adds a water mark to the pic.

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#182 ultima-flare
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I can't stop laughing. That MGS4 pic in the OP is infamous here. People have been using that 1 horrible shot for years to put down mgs4. That shot was released at TGS '06. I swear to god tomorow, if i dont forget, I am going to go to that part in the game and take a screenshot and post it here so we can compare.
What is that watermark then?DragonfireXZ95
:lol :lol :lol :lol I'm dying here.
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#183 kozzy1234
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I can't stop laughing. That MGS4 pic in the OP is infamous here. People have been using that 1 horrible shot for years to put down mgs4. That shot was released at TGS '06. I swear to god tomorow, if i dont forget, I am going to go to that part in the game and take a screenshot and post it here so we can compare. [QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] What is that watermark then?ultima-flare
:lol :lol :lol :lol I'm dying here.

Thats why i quoted that picture when i psoted the crysis pictures haha, because ive seen that one MGS4 picture soooo many times here on gamespot, good times :lol:

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#184 Jacumov
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LOL, I've seen CS Source maps that look better than MGS4 ...

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#185 DonPerian
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[QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Really? So you're saying there's no difference between a SDTV and HDTV?

Bebi_vegeta

An SDTV's resolution is equivalent to a 1.3 megapixel camera. A 1080P HDTV set is equivalent to a 2 megapixel camera. Not much of a difference. But no, I am not saying there is no difference.

SDTV doing 1.3 megapixel??? Can you explain to me how you got that number...

I am a professional photographer and have to downsize my work to 1.3 megapixels and a 4:3 ratio to show clients their photos. It is the exact resolution of an SDTV. Just as 1080p resolution is almost exactly 2 megapixels.
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#186 aliblabla2007
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:| I can't believe the stupid logic used in this thread.

"You need a high-end PC to play Crysis at the level where it looks better than MGS4."

"MGS4 is on a weaker system therefore it has better technical graphics."

"MGS4 uses cutscenes better therefore it has better graphics."

Idiots. Anyone who thinks that these are valid arguments for the notion that MGS4 rightfully won that award need to get checked in the head by a doctor.

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#187 cuddlesofwar
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This has nothing to do with hardware or the original Crysis wouldn't have won, as it was even worse looking on lower spec computers.

GS just decided MGS should win, simple. There is no need to defend them. Or attack them. They just felt like it.

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#188 Wartzay
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="DonPerian"] An SDTV's resolution is equivalent to a 1.3 megapixel camera. A 1080P HDTV set is equivalent to a 2 megapixel camera. Not much of a difference. But no, I am not saying there is no difference.DonPerian

SDTV doing 1.3 megapixel??? Can you explain to me how you got that number...

I am a professional photographer and have to downsize my work to 1.3 megapixels and a 4:3 ratio to show clients their photos. It is the exact resolution of an SDTV. Just as 1080p resolution is almost exactly 2 megapixels.

Are you sure about that?

http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp?width=640&height=480

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#189 fabz_95
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Yeah, choose one of the most horrible pics for MGS4, and one of the best for Crysis...crazy-player
That is a terrible MGS4 picture but Crysis still deserved to win the technical graphics award.
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#190 sdu_1111
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Hermits spend so much time infront of computers. They should read whats in front of them

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#191 skrat_01
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Yeah, choose one of the most horrible pics for MGS4, and one of the best for Crysis...crazy-player
That actually is a pretty horrid Warhead screen :|
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#192 skrat_01
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Hermits spend so much time infront of computers. They should read whats in front of them

sdu_1111
They dont really need to. Every time they play Warhead they get a clear indication of what the most technically - visually stunning game this year is.
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#193 Games4thewin
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Agreed. MGS4 doesn't stand a chance, really.
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#194 Franco-J
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]The game at the bottom looks ugly. No wonder the top one won.MortalDecay
The top one looks like crap, also. I mean, look at those PSOne level textures. The bottom looks way better. As a matter of fact, I can name quite a few games better looking than MGS4. Hell, Kameo, a 360 launch game, has better texture quality.

I have to agree. I have seen several games that I thought looked better. And technically, I think GTAV outshines MGS4 big time. The level of detail in everything in GTAV and all the things you can do, plus much better multiplayer modes makes GTAV a much better pick IMO. Texture and graphics wise, Ive seen LOTS of games that looked better

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#195 sdu_1111
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Why the denial?

MGS4 is winning awards everywhere. not even gamespot.

so now cause there's prob one tiny department "technical graphics" that warhead can probably outdo MGS4 hermits are gonna make a big hooha?

MGS4 won best tech graphic award at GS. deal with it.

10>8.5.

logic.

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#196 Games4thewin
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Why the denial?

MGS4 is winning awards everywhere. not even gamespot.

so now cause there's prob one tiny department "technical graphics" that warhead can probably outdo MGS4 hermits are gonna make a big hooha?

MGS4 won best tech graphic award at GS. deal with it.

10>8.5.

logic.

sdu_1111

Well, I can understand all the people. MGS4 doesn't come close graphically.

Oh, and scores have nothing to do with graphics.

Neither the fact that there are many more games released this year that are more critically acclaimed than MGS4.

Leave that out of discussion as it isn't important right now.

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#197 Eyezonmii
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Nice, posting DATED and OLD MGS4 pics, that snake model isn't even the final one....gsus.

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#198 Games4thewin
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Nice, posting DATED and OLD MGS4 pics, that snake model isn't even the final one....gsus.

Eyezonmii

Nice ones. But you can post 100 more, it still wouldn't change anything. He's right.

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#199 steve17989
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Why the denial?

MGS4 is winning awards everywhere. not even gamespot.

so now cause there's prob one tiny department "technical graphics" that warhead can probably outdo MGS4 hermits are gonna make a big hooha?

MGS4 won best tech graphic award at GS. deal with it.

10>8.5.

logic.

sdu_1111

For somebody who likes logic, your post is surprisingly illogical.