Intel, Nvidia, and ATi should buy PC exclusives.

I mean, considering the amount of money they get its suprising how they haven't tried yet.

Intel for example has pretty much unlimited funds, if these companies were to forth $ towards PC exclusives it could make people want to upgrade thus creating more $ for them.

horrible idea:|

horrible idea:|

HavocV3

PCGA could try buying PC exclusives. It's a pool of multiple companies so it'd be easy to spread the difference between them. I doubt that will happen though.

I'm not exactly sure what their goal is besides giving statistics about PC gaming.

PCGA could try buying PC exclusives. It's a pool of multiple companies so it'd be easy to spread the difference between them. I doubt that will happen though.

I'm not exactly sure what their goal is besides giving statistics about PC gaming.

Wasn't shattered horizon funded by nvidia?

Wasn't shattered horizon funded by nvidia?

topgunmv

Intel bought out Offset Software which is/was making Project Offset. PO, if it is ever released, will be the best game ever made.

Intel bought out Offset Software which is/was making Project Offset. PO, if it is ever released, will be the best game ever made.

hoola

Havent they stopped updating the site for Offset a long time ago ?

:|what?

But AMD and Intel chips use the same architechture. Also a lot of sys admins and computer engineers are PC gamers, trying to limit them with software is near impossible, a crack would be quickly released and the game would probably get few sales out of a boycott.markop2003

I do wish that the hardware guys would get more involved with the software mostly so that the games will likely be even more optimized.

I don't think this is what op meant. He means why doesn't one of the hardware manufactures publish pc exclusives which would push graphics boundaries, that way people would buy newer parts. SAGE_OF_FIRE

Correct.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]But AMD and Intel chips use the same architechture. Also a lot of sys admins and computer engineers are PC gamers, trying to limit them with software is near impossible, a crack would be quickly released and the game would probably get few sales out of a boycott.SAGE_OF_FIRE

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="markop2003"]But AMD and Intel chips use the same architechture. Also a lot of sys admins and computer engineers are PC gamers, trying to limit them with software is near impossible, a crack would be quickly released and the game would probably get few sales out of a boycott.lordreaven

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] I don't think this is what op meant. He means why doesn't one of the hardware manufactures publish pc exclusives which would push graphics boundaries, that way people would buy newer parts. Instashot

Correct.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] I don't think this is what op meant. He means why doesn't one of the hardware manufactures publish pc exclusives which would push graphics boundaries, that way people would buy newer parts. ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]intel vs ms for exclusives that would be very interesting. Both pretty much have unlimited funds. Great way to combat piracy buy forcing people to buy your chips, can pirate a cpu. Ginosaji

I assume you meant "can't pirate a CPU." Pirating hardware would be quite the feat. :lol: More on topic, though: "forcing" people to install a specific processor to play a game is exactly how you don't combat piracy. The pirates are going to find a way around it, and most of the would-be customers would simply pass. It would ultimately just lead to a failed game and a lot of wasted money.

yes i think when they making anew cpu or anew powerful vga and we buy i think i am buying cause i want to play games and finally i find mky self playing 3 or 4 games and the console have many many games thats not fair . when you buy anew card for 400 $ and u dont get athing thats not cool .

Never mind exclusive, I want to play every game.

Crysis is exclusive to my 5970. HAHAHAHAHAH.

no need, couple of benchmarking tools are coming this year, RAGE and crysis 2

good dreaming, but they wouldnt do such stupid things.

btw ATI is no longer a company, it's a brand under AMD.

Yes I have been thinking about this and wonder when will the companies realise that it's time for them to stop being lazy and do something. If people stop upgrading their PC's for gaming purposes then nvidia and AMD suffer alot more than intel simply because intel makes most of it's money from non-gamer everyday PC, laptop etc user. But make no mistake intel is also at a significant loss by the bigger lifecycle of current day gaming PC's.

I think it's really not a very difficult thing to operate. Firstly all 3 companies need to work together on this for this to work. They should agree to only compete in hardware and not try to make software that only works on one companies products.

PC gamers spend tons of money on gaming and that is enough to ensure that there is serious potential in the PC gaming market. It's just that the current model is making hardware companies tonnes of money but software ones are not getting much because of piracy. So companies stop making software and subsequently the hardware companies' profits are reduced. All that needs to happen is for the hardware business to share it's profits with the software one or else it may not survive itselft. The spending power and willingness is clearly there in the PC market, when there is no option but to spend money like upgrade hardware then they will, games they always have an option to pirate hence they pirate not because they dont have the money but because they dont need to pay.

Combating piracy through software DRM obviously isnt working so a new model needs to be adopted. Heck I say that if nvidia, intel and AMD can pump games every year that give a very significant improvement on the latest hardware then they could give the game for free with the purchase of hardware. They could make exclusive games for only the highest end hardware and give them for free, they can always recoup the costs of developing the game by passing it on the price of the hardware, pirates wont be able to get away with that unless they decide to rob a retailer.;)

But even if they actually give the game for free without increasing the cost of hardware, I bet they will still make tonnes of money if the game uses technology that only the highest end can run. People with low end hardware will be able to play it through hacks and cracks but as I said if the game is actually using new technology then it wont be a pretty experience for the hackers with lower end components.

Another method could be to charge a ridiculously high price for graphics cards and guarantee a certain number of free high quality games over it's lifespan. The options are endless!

Yes I have been thinking about this and wonder when will the companies realise that it's time for them to stop being lazy and do something. If people stop upgrading their PC's for gaming purposes then nvidia and AMD suffer alot more than intel simply because intel makes most of it's money from non-gamer everyday PC, laptop etc user. But make no mistake intel is also at a significant loss by the bigger lifecycle of current day gaming PC's.

I think it's really not a very difficult thing to operate. Firstly all 3 companies need to work together on this for this to work. They should agree to only compete in hardware and not try to make software that only works on one companies products.

PC gamers spend tons of money on gaming and that is enough to ensure that there is serious potential in the PC gaming market. It's just that the current model is making hardware companies tonnes of money but software ones are not getting much because of piracy. So companies stop making software and subsequently the hardware companies' profits are reduced. All that needs to happen is for the hardware business to share it's profits with the software one or else it may not survive itselft. The spending power and willingness is clearly there in the PC market, when there is no option but to spend money like upgrade hardware then they will, games they always have an option to pirate hence they pirate not because they dont have the money but because they dont need to pay.

Combating piracy through software DRM obviously isnt working so a new model needs to be adopted. Heck I say that if nvidia, intel and AMD can pump games every year that give a very significant improvement on the latest hardware then they could give the game for free with the purchase of hardware. They could make exclusive games for only the highest end hardware and give them for free, they can always recoup the costs of developing the game by passing it on the price of the hardware, pirates wont be able to get away with that unless they decide to rob a retailer.;)

But even if they actually give the game for free without increasing the cost of hardware, I bet they will still make tonnes of money if the game uses technology that only the highest end can run. People with low end hardware will be able to play it through hacks and cracks but as I said if the game is actually using new technology then it wont be a pretty experience for the hackers with lower end components.

Another method could be to charge a ridiculously high price for graphics cards and guarantee a certain number of free high quality games over it's lifespan. The options are endless!

Gambler_3

no need, couple of benchmarking tools are coming this year, RAGE and crysis 2

Ultizer

^ That's why PC games scale. Some very well, in fact. Crysis being the perfect exampleIt's hard to believe it's the same game, or even from the same "generation." Needless to say, you can release games that push the newest hardware without alienating those using older hardware.

Ginosaji

I mean, considering the amount of money they get its suprising how they haven't tried yet.

Intel for example has pretty much unlimited funds, if these companies were to forth $ towards PC exclusives it could make people want to upgrade thus creating more $ for them.

Instashot

PC is leading this gen in exclusives like usual, why should any PC hardware company pay money when we already get more exclusives than any console. Plus I don't want one hardware company to screw over people who use a different brand part because they paid for the game.

nVidia is already deeply into the PC games market, albeit in a different way.

Developers pay a fee to nVidia for the usage of their technical manuals. Developers then are allowed to include nVidia-specific graphics commands into their game executables.

Plus they then have the rights to display the nVidia TWIMTBP Logo ("The Way It's Meant To Be Played") in the game's opening screens as well as on the box art.

nVidia in turn highlights the game(s) and developer(s) on their nZone website for having nVidia-specific graphics.

I don't think this would balance out well for anybody involved.

1. the developer would probably need to receive enough money to offset lost sales. My estimates is this is at least $10 million considering development costs are average about $20 million.

2. Intel, AMD, Nvidia, and ATI would not see enough of an increase in sales to justify the money pushed to the developer unless they took a dominating approach which would cost more than the profit of owning the entire hardware market.

3. Consumers have a hard enough time w/ hardware requirements it would hurt the pc community even more if this system becomes more complicated than it already is.

that could be a double edged sword. if they got loads of devs and made PC games then it would be fantastic. great games that keep pushing the technical boundaries while also experimenting with new ideas. but there will always be the temptation to make the games they create exclusive to their hardware and that would lead to disaster. essentially someone would need several PCs. if they did it with the idea of making the games divisions just another secotr of their company that should be profitable (and so will run on any hardware that mets the sys reqs) in and of itself then that would be kewl. if they did it just seeing it as a tool to sell their hardware then it would be horrific. maybe a joint venture amongst all 3 would be better...the 3 of em set up another company owned by all 3 and they basically buy up a load of devs and give them loads of support to get the best out of various hardware components. but i think they will need to make some sort of move like this at some point. game tech has essentially stalled and theres nothing really out there to push the hardware. eventually there going to have to give people good reasons to upgrade or most people are just not going to bother. a few extra particles and higher reses are not exactly something to get the jaw dropping.osan0

Yes

good dreaming, but they wouldnt do such stupid things.

btw ATI is no longer a company, it's a brand under AMD.

[QUOTE="Ginosaji"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]intel vs ms for exclusives that would be very interesting. Both pretty much have unlimited funds. Great way to combat piracy buy forcing people to buy your chips, can pirate a cpu. ferret-gamer

I assume you meant "can't pirate a CPU." Pirating hardware would be quite the feat. :lol: More on topic, though: "forcing" people to install a specific processor to play a game is exactly how you don't combat piracy. The pirates are going to find a way around it, and most of the would-be customers would simply pass. It would ultimately just lead to a failed game and a lot of wasted money.

There's Swiftshader 2.01, refer to http://www.transgaming.com/business/swiftshader/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2--itWIasgI

Call of Duty4 Modern Warfare + Swiftshader 2.0

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8jF2ZCXm7c

BF2, Swiftshader 2.01 and MacBook(2 GHz Intei Core 2 Duo as the GPU)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quRZc9VcCsc

Silent Hill 2, Swiftshader 2.01 and Intel Pentium M @1.7Ghz as the GPU

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cW9AqkM1ew

Fallout 3, Swiftshader 2.x, Intel Core 2 Duo as the GPU

Imagine on a boring four socket Opterons X12 a server board.A total of 48 X86 cores i.e.DIY AMD Larrabeewith Swiftshader.

Having these companies pay game studios would be a pretty good idea.

Hell, they should totally pump money into Square-Enix just to ensure PC releases for the Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts franchises.

Someone needs to pump money into certain companies to make sure that we still have PC games.

why would they when ATI and Nvidia are making monies off the consoles which have exclusives xD silly silly isnt it?

why would they when ATI and Nvidia are making monies off the consoles which have exclusives xD silly silly isnt it?

razgriz_101

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

horrible idea:|

SAGE_OF_FIRE

they hand out there technology to certain devs, if they optimize it for their hardware, take crysis and borderlands nvidia helped fun them and they got their names up on it. i know Intel has done some funding for it but i dont think that anyone of those manufactures have completely funded an exclusive.

but i do find it to be a good idea but what if gets out of hand, what if ati makes games that nvidia hardware cant play and vice versa, and i think ATI can do it if they wanted to, they have the majority of the market now

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

why would they when ATI and Nvidia are making monies off the consoles which have exclusives xD silly silly isnt it?

dc337

they will be manufacturing it and in some form of agreemen will make so much from the sale of each chip to MS still mounts up yes they will make more from ther gpu as they arent a parts supplier if you will but still doesnt mean they dont make a nice bit on the side from those and it could leave a bad taste in console manufacturers mouths and all that.Everything is bout keeping a balance.