is 360 worthless if you have a pc

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]What do you mean not everyone is using the same... wouldn't all your friends be using the same?lowe0

While I'd certainly be happy if I could play every match exclusively against my friends instead of randoms, I doubt I could get 15 of my friends to make time to play a game at the exact same time. As such, I'm inevitably going to wind up on a team with someone using a chat system other than the one I'm using.

Then just join whatever IP server there on... and most people use the in-game chat.

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Suppose your friend is using one system, but when you join a server, you're put on a team with people using a different system. What now?Bebi_vegeta

Then just use the server which can be accessed by teamspeak or ventrilo?

Unless you're suggesting that I just keep both tools around and use whatever one is in use on the server, which you already said I wouldn't have to do:

All you need is ventrilo or teamspeak... I never said you needed both.Bebi_vegeta

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Suppose your friend is using one system, but when you join a server, you're put on a team with people using a different system. What now?lowe0

Then just use the server which can be accessed by teamspeak or ventrilo?

Well no, since most people use ventrilo or in-game chat.

The 360 currently leads in exclusive quality games when compared to the other consoles, making it a better choice than the other consoles to go along with a PC.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Then just use the server which can be accessed by teamspeak or ventrilo?

Bebi_vegeta

Well no, since most people use ventrilo or in-game chat.

From there, it's just one simple step further to mandate a single identity and communications manager for ALL games. You instantly get cross-game messaging, cross-game friending and blocking, etc.. Imagine how much easier it'd be if every game had to use Steam. We consolites don't have to imagine, because we get the benefits already.

Now, this is the part where some zealot (note: I'm not saying you) will turn up and say "fine, enjoy living in MS/Sony's prison". Sure, it's exactly like a prison - one with a gourmet cafeteria, a jacuzzi in every cell, and a smoking-hot Swedish masseuse who comes by every Thursday afternoon. I think I can speak for my fellow consolites when I say: "I kinda like this prison."

Unless you're suggesting that I just keep both tools around and use whatever one is in use on the server, which you already said I wouldn't have to do:

lowe0

You keep one tool running in 3rd party and the in-game chat (if needed),

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Thereby limiting the number of servers I can play on. Metcalfe's Law again.lowe0

Well no, since most people use ventrilo or in-game chat.

Again, explain to me how leaving a extra app around is bad. Leaving me with more options is never a bad thing... also when it's free I find it hard to say anything negative about it.

Hopefully, nobody think it's to complicated to manage a 1 extra buttom....

Having it built into the game itself is fine (although it's a waste of programming time writing something that could be done perfectly well in a system library). It's when you have multiple external systems that you end up having to coordinate VoIP apps and servers. It's work that the gamer simply shouldn't have to do - the game already knows who you're playing with, so it should take care of it for me.

That said, there's still no unified identity management on PCs. How does one know that Lowe0 on Steam is the same person as Lowe0 on GfW Live? How does one invite someone playing a Steam game to play a non-Steam game; what if they don't even have Steam? Conversely, if they want to block or mute someone, how do they do it once and have it also apply on Steam/Live/Xfire/any single-game identity manager?

lowe0

Gamers on the PC unify things according to how they game. Simple as that.

If you come across X person in Y game, with voice chat, there is almost always an option to block them through the game. Making friends is fine when sending this player your steam / xfire identification. If you already have one people can easily find you and add you through either service - and then cross over and add either profile.

Unification? Its a computer, there is no such thing. However the choice and quality is just fine, and offset by the core use of certain applications by gamers.

Of course, then you have direct web integration with things, so it just makes things quite fluid anyway.

Besides the platform and software evolves, and is at the forefront of online gaming for a reason anyway. It all works rather well in retrospect. If it didnt, things would have been shaken up far more.

From there, it's just one simple step further to mandate a single identity and communications manager for ALL games. You instantly get cross-game messaging, cross-game friending and blocking, etc.. Imagine how much easier it'd be if every game had to use Steam. We consolites don't have to imagine, because we get the benefits already.

lowe0

Hey, if you like less options and your so call simplicity, then fine. Just remember from my standpoint, my tools are free...

The 360 currently leads in exclusive quality games when compared to the other consoles, making it a better choice than the other consoles to go along with a PC.

opex07

Leaving me with more options is never a bad thing... Bebi_vegeta

Unification? Its a computer, there is no such thing.skrat_01

Of course, it's easier to just sidestep the entire thing and mandate a single system. PC gamers aren't going to go for that, though.

Removing that choice, while anathema to a PC gamer, ensures that everyone will be using the same chat system. Less work, same result.lowe0

Less work, same result.lowe0

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Leaving me with more options is never a bad thing... lowe0

I still don't see it... I have the possibily to use one 3rd party pogram that has features that never end list. I also have the possibility to use the in-game chat tool. And the way you manage both is by pressing 2 seperated keys on your keyboard... hopefull this is not to complicated....

I like your sig! TechGuru89

Thank you, but its really old now and probably needs to be changed:D.

I still don't see it... I have the possibily to use one 3rd party pogram that has features that never end list. I also have the possibility to use the in-game chat tool. And the way you manage both is by pressing 2 seperated keys on your keyboard... hopefull this is not to complicated....

Bebi_vegeta

[QUOTE="TechGuru89"]I like your sig! opex07

Thank you, but its really old now and probably needs to be changed:D.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Less work, same result.lowe0

[QUOTE="anshul89"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Less work, same result.lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="anshul89"]Nope. The voice quailty is much better on pc. The mic that comes with the 360 is terrible.

anshul89