Is Blu-Ray Necessary?

When thinking about it and analyzing the way games look in comparison based on exclusives of course on ps3 and 360. I ask the question, is Blu Ray really a necessity? As a ps360 owner here are my thoughts. Now blu-ray is indisputably superior in size etc! but when exclusives like uncharted and metal gear solid etc, look AMAZING! games like gears of war 2 fable 2 lost odyssey, etc! look just as good maybe not identical of course metal gear i think was the best game graphically but not by that far! So if gears of war 2 can look as amazing as it does on a single dvd disc, i really see blu ray as not that big of an advantage, Let's also factor in that bioshock on ps3 compared 2 360 had the same texture load problems with blu-ray and a 5gb install! Just a thought! So i really would question the +'s of blu-ray thoughts? I however am definitely in favor of blu-ray for movies! I use my ps3 to watch blu-ray movies all the time

Nope! It's not necessary. DVDs are completely capable of HD movies. Blu-Ray really isn't needed, but Sony feels that the standard video medium needs to be changed.

Probably for piracy purposes.

Blu Ray is a means of storage, it has nothing to do with how games look. It's not necessary, but it's a nice luxuryCouth_

Nope! It's not necessary. DVDs are completely capable of HD movies. Blu-Ray really isn't needed, but Sony feels that the standard video medium needs to be changed.

Probably for piracy purposes.

Micropixel

Blue-Ray is going to be replaced within a year or two from now. They recently released a new type of DVD in Japan that works on all normal DVD players; it's capable of holding 35GB and produces the same picture. It may even be used on the 360 and Wii.

Read somewhere that Blu Ray reads data faster than DVD just that Blu Ray naturally has more data to read so in the end the faster read speed is mootf50p90

Actually it is because the x2 speed of the PS3's Blu-ray player is slower than DVDs peak, if it was x3 there would be no contest.

Anyway in terms of the need for it's capacity, it's not really something that's important on PC. Consoles rely on disk capacity the most, which wouldn't be a problem if Microsoft wasn't stupid enough to charge licensing fees 'per disk'. Even John Carmack has said regarding the development of Rage that disk space isn't an issue on 360, the problem is Microsoft policies that limit the number of disks used.

Blue-Ray is going to be replaced within a year or two from now. They recently released a new type of DVD in Japan that works on all normal DVD players; it's capable of holding 35GB and produces the same picture. It may even be used on the 360 and Wii.

zaku101

Nope! It's not necessary. DVDs are completely capable of HD movies. Blu-Ray really isn't needed, but Sony feels that the standard video medium needs to be changed.

Probably for piracy purposes.

Micropixel

Blue-Ray is going to be replaced within a year or two from now. They recently released a new type of DVD in Japan that works on all normal DVD players; it's capable of holding 35GB and produces the same picture. It may even be used on the 360 and Wii.

zaku101

Blue-Ray is going to be replaced within a year or two from now. They recently released a new type of DVD in Japan that works on all normal DVD players; it's capable of holding 35GB and produces the same picture. It may even be used on the 360 and Wii.

zaku101

1) it's Blu-ray not "Blue-ray"

2) Blu-ray is already over 35GB

3) existing media > non-existent media

4) Facepalm

more content/better texturesurdead18

Why do so many PS3 users think this? Blu-ray is a storage medium, it doesn't offer better textures than 256mb allows and it is only an enabler of additional content; not the cause.

The only circumstance I have seen were Blu-ray offered better textures was in Rage, even then it came down to a Microsoft policy on using multiple disks and not a technology limitation.

but after seeing KZ2, that question ponders me more frequently nowermacness

... It's a storage medium, it had zero impact on KZ2.

I don't know if it's needed or not, but it sure is excellent having it. Uncompressed sounds and videos makes a good reason for it. MGS4 as excellent uncompressed sound.

If you look at a normal looking game like SOCOM wich still looks pretty good for a 3Gb game you may think BD isn't necessary, but devs knowing they got much more space than they need is pretty awsome for them as the opposite of thinking what they thinking they have to cut/hold back.

If you take a game like lets say GT5. Well i'm sure the creator can put all the pretty tracks he wants on BD instead of making them downloadables after. Still downloadable tracks fells like your game is expandng.

This can be seen in too many good and bad ways to actually determine if it's necessary, but i believe it's really a good feature.

• This is like saying i'm making a party and i have 10000 beers. Is it really necessary having all that beer for a party? No, but at least you know you won't run out of beers.

[QUOTE="Micropixel"]

Nope! It's not necessary. DVDs are completely capable of HD movies. Blu-Ray really isn't needed, but Sony feels that the standard video medium needs to be changed.

Probably for piracy purposes.

planbfreak4eva

your ideas regarding the necessity for blu-ray is based solely on speculation...

show me 1 example of where blu-ray is needed in gaming... no speculations or assumptions please

Nope! It's not necessary. DVDs are completely capable of HD movies. Blu-Ray really isn't needed, but Sony feels that the standard video medium needs to be changed.

Probably for piracy purposes.

Micropixel

BTW, Blu-Ray wasn't Sony's invention. Blu-Ray was created by a group of companies (Sony, Matsushita [BKA Panasonic], Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp and Samsung).

A DVD cannot hold most HD movies, especially if you add the uncompressed audio. While BD may not be needed for gaming, it is needed for the full HD movie experience.tbolt76

[QUOTE="ermacness"]but after seeing KZ2, that question ponders me more frequently nowAnnoyedDragon

... It's a storage medium, it had zero impact on KZ2.

OMG think before you speak! KZ2 has tons of information that has been coded for the game, its over 9gb thus blu-ray says Hi because it holds more then 9gb, thus very useful. Conclusion, developers can do as much coding and leave much of the information uncompressed with out worryign about fitting everything on a dvd 9!

Not neccessary depends on who is using it, but it is very useful.

Oh and don't say it will be obsolete or replaced in the future by (insert some no name format) because you have major studios and companies all over theworld already heavily invested in this technolog, if consumers keep buying and increasing the sales blu-ray will continue it's life.

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"][QUOTE="Micropixel"]

Nope! It's not necessary. DVDs are completely capable of HD movies. Blu-Ray really isn't needed, but Sony feels that the standard video medium needs to be changed.

Probably for piracy purposes.

ogvampire

your ideas regarding the necessity for blu-ray is based solely on speculation...

show me 1 example of where blu-ray is needed in gaming... no speculations or assumptions please

what is wrong with you! he just did i play video games and i don't want to have to insert multiple disc, so with my PS3 i will never have that problem. But, the 360 and some of its games have to be on multiple discs because of DVD9, therefore blu-ray would be necessary in keeping games on one disc and keeping everything convenient!

OMG think before you speak! KZ2 has tons of information that has been coded for the game, its over 9gb thus blu-ray says Hi because it holds more then 9gb, thus very useful. Conclusion, developers can do as much coding and leave much of the information uncompressed with out worryign about fitting everything on a dvd 9!

Not neccessary depends on who is using it, but it is very useful.

Oh and don't say it will be obsolete or replaced in the future by (insert some no name format) because you have major studios and companies all over theworld already heavily invested in this technolog, if consumers keep buying and increasing the sales blu-ray will continue it's life.

freediro

what is wrong with you! he just did i play video games and i don't want to have to insert multiple disc, so with my PS3 i will never have that problem. But, the 360 and some of its games have to be on multiple discs because of DVD9, therefore blu-ray would be necessary in keeping games on one disc and keeping everything convenient! freediro

[QUOTE="tbolt76"]A DVD cannot hold most HD movies, especially if you add the uncompressed audio. While BD may not be needed for gaming, it is needed for the full HD movie experience.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="freediro"]OMG think before you speak! KZ2 has tons of information that has been coded for the game, its over 9gb thus blu-ray says Hi because it holds more then 9gb, thus very useful. Conclusion, developers can do as much coding and leave much of the information uncompressed with out worryign about fitting everything on a dvd 9!

Not neccessary depends on who is using it, but it is very useful.

Oh and don't say it will be obsolete or replaced in the future by (insert some no name format) because you have major studios and companies all over theworld already heavily invested in this technolog, if consumers keep buying and increasing the sales blu-ray will continue it's life.

foxhound_fox

what is wrong with you! he just did i play video games and i don't want to have to insert multiple disc, so with my PS3 i will never have that problem. But, the 360 and some of its games have to be on multiple discs because of DVD9, therefore blu-ray would be necessary in keeping games on one disc and keeping everything convenient! freediro

consumers want convenience!

lol you think blu-ray is expensive? you want companies to have to put in huge hardrives into video games then expect everyone to download it if the disc or of the internet? Talk about more trouble, more time, more money, and less convenience. Yeah ok great idea but that is far from a reality for atleast 5 years!

Blu rays are definitely, 100%, without a doubt, absolutely needed..

..for 1080p high def movies.

[QUOTE="tbolt76"]A DVD cannot hold most HD movies, especially if you add the uncompressed audio. While BD may not be needed for gaming, it is needed for the full HD movie experience.foxhound_fox

Eventually, BD will be a factor in gaming, but that eventuality may be too late for Sony and its Playstation brand.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="tbolt76"]A DVD cannot hold most HD movies, especially if you add the uncompressed audio. While BD may not be needed for gaming, it is needed for the full HD movie experience.tbolt76

Eventually, BD will be a factor in gaming, but that eventuality may be too late for Sony and its Playstation brand.

literally all of my friends parents have a PS3 in their living room because of all the multimedia functions it has. No, me and my friends parents are super rich, but what the PS3 offers fro the price is hard to pass up if you want a mulitmedia system everyone in you house can use.

Yes i know the PS3 isn't selling all to well and that's because there are still millions of PS2 owners who don't want to upgrade and are waiting for the PS3 to come down in price, and yes blu-ray is to blame for the price, but it was worth it to me. When those people to who do decide to upgrade or adopt the PS3 the will also have the ability to use blu-ray further pushing that medium to the customers and more people to possibly buy blu-ray movies.

See Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs; I don't think gaming or HD movies are on there. It is a luxury people who can afford it get to enjoy. Just like a Lexus or mutliple gaming systems. This industry and community has pushed so hard to make the latest games seem like a necessity, though, and many people have bought the pitch. I think it is tragic that you are relegated to only being able to enjoy a few 'pop' titles on Live because of this.

Off to catch up to the Jones'.

I agree, but the PS3 isn't the only system out there. You do not "have" to buy it, [...]tbolt76

[QUOTE="tbolt76"]I agree, but the PS3 isn't the only system out there. You do not "have" to buy it, [...]foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="tbolt76"]I agree, but the PS3 isn't the only system out there. You do not "have" to buy it, [...]foxhound_fox

exactly you WANT to, but you don't HAVE to!

and you don't have to adopt blu-ray at all, you can buy a PS3 and never buy a blu-ray movie, thus your not really adopting blu-ray.

Yes it is necessary because you need the extra space for high definition audio and high definition video. A simple DVD is just not enough memory for HD.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]not necesary...hmm thats why few games of 360 are on 2+ disks...and thats why gta iv is not bigger than san andread, no planes, no old guns, chainsaw etc..no no ppl...blu ray is there for nothing..if only gta iv was exclusive on ps3, then there would be planes, guns, more missions etc...but dvd ruined everything...still think blu ray aint necessaryfreediro

your ideas regarding the necessity for blu-ray is based solely on speculation...

show me 1 example of where blu-ray is needed in gaming... no speculations or assumptions please

what is wrong with you! he just did i play video games and i don't want to have to insert multiple disc, so with my PS3 i will never have that problem. But, the 360 and some of its games have to be on multiple discs because of DVD9, therefore blu-ray would be necessary in keeping games on one disc and keeping everything convenient!

i suggest you read a dictionary in regards to what 'necessity' means...

its necessary to keep the game on 1 disk, but blu-ray format is not necessary to actually play the game:|

necessity for convenience sake is NOT necessity. its just being lazy...

OMG think before you speak! KZ2 has tons of information that has been coded for the game, its over 9gb thus blu-ray says Hi because it holds more then 9gb, thus very useful. Conclusion, developers can do as much coding and leave much of the information uncompressed with out worryign about fitting everything on a dvd 9!

Not neccessary depends on who is using it, but it is very useful.

Oh and don't say it will be obsolete or replaced in the future by (insert some no name format) because you have major studios and companies all over theworld already heavily invested in this technolog, if consumers keep buying and increasing the sales blu-ray will continue it's life.

freediro

You do realize that a dual layer DVD, which is very common and cheap today, has a capacity of 8.5GB? Knowing that PS3 needlessly bloats information because of Blu-ray capacity, that game can easily fit on a single DVD.