Is Deus Ex overrated?

I never got the point of these posts where people brush aside what the game does very well and then concentrate on the weakpoints. The same thing can be done on every single game you listed that you think is better. Fallout suffered from poor story, terrible combat, a crapload of bugs, poor AI..but is a damn good RPG. Planescape Torment's combat is awful, the creature variety is abysmal and the pacing of dungeons is almost non existant but it has one of the best stories in gaming. Even Mass Effect 2 can barely call itself an RPG with a piss poor leveling system (why not just give people points to assign after missions because no matter how many things they kill,don't kill on a map it was similar amounts of EXP.) boring probing, unbalanced character stories (some were pretty good while others were dull) and a paltry main story... it's simple to say a game is overrated.smerlus

From what I have seen, the only reason Deus Ex is claimed as the best game ever is because the "hardcore" fans that overrate it so much don't even know what genre it is. Since the game is a FPS there is no way any other FPS will reach the awesomeness that Deus Ex contains.

Obviously when you see that it is an Action Adventure/RPG and start doing more proper comparisons you realize that even when it is somewhat unique it has flaws here and there.

That said I liked more System Shock 2.

Oh and TC, what didn't you like in the shooting mechanics? That is the only thing that it has better over SS2, where it was basically just an issue of how much damage you do and what weapons you can use. Deus Ex shooting system was way superior.

glez13

The shooting mechanics, especially for the assault rifle were extremely clunky. The assault rifle just does not feel right at all, even for its time. Then there is the pistol... The sequels shooting mechanics were pretty bad as well.

[QUOTE="badtaker"]8.2 = overrated ??lpjazzman220

i dont think hes talkin the pro's i think hes talking the community...i see it get praised nearly everyday on here as the greatest rpg/fps hybrid...not that its a bad game...but its becoming like halo....a good idea....that has average mechanics....and is loved waaaay too much by its fan base...is it good--yes....is it a genre defining game--thats debatable...is it the greatest pc game ever---definitely not...not even in the running....is it fun--sometimes...other times waaay to frustrating because of broken mechanics....

Seeing as it's the single greatest achievement in the history of mankind, no, it isn't overrated :P

Seriously though, while there are a few games I like better (Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, Baldur's Gate II, Metroid Prime, to name a few) the game is seriously awesome and I can totally understand somebody thinking it is the greatest game in the history of forever.

Personally I still haven't finished it just because I found it boring. Shooting someone in the face or stabbing them in the face isn't really diversity to me.

Personally I still haven't finished it just because I found it boring. Shooting someone in the face or stabbing them in the face isn't really diversity to me.

Casboof

You can go stealth also.

Anyway I know what you feel. The first time I played it I was under the impression it was a FPS. First level and was like this game sucks you can't even shoot properly, just like two or three enemies, this game sucks. Uninstalled it in like 20 minutes.

Years later I was tired of FPS so I searched my old games to see what was good that wasn't a FPS. Found it, gave it a try and great game. Overrated by the fanboys but great game.

If Deus Ex was released today with a next gen facelift but everything else intact, I think it could still score a 9.0, that's how revolutionary its gameplay/story was then.General_X

If it is in first person it must be a First Person Shooter and the shooting sucks. Good luck with it scoring a 9.0. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[QUOTE="General_X"]If Deus Ex was released today with a next gen facelift but everything else intact, I think it could still score a 9.0, that's how revolutionary its gameplay/story was then.glez13

If it is in first person it must be a First Person Shooter and the shooting sucks. Good luck with it scoring a 9.0. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Every game has flaws. Deus ex is still the best game ever (IMO) despite its flaws.

Every game has flaws. Deus ex is still the best game ever (IMO) despite its flaws.

toast_burner

Doom is way better. Deus Ex was just copy/paste with a few gimmicks here and there. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Every game has flaws. Deus ex is still the best game ever (IMO) despite its flaws.

glez13

Doom is way better. Deus Ex was just copy/paste with a few gimmicks here and there. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

These days? Probably a bit. But considering the impact it had and how far ahead of its time it was, no.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Every game has flaws. Deus ex is still the best game ever (IMO) despite its flaws.

Ravenchrome

Doom is way better. Deus Ex was just copy/paste with a few gimmicks here and there. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

He was re-quoting an asinine comment from someone else.

On topic: Great game but not the best ever, probably because I only played it last year but I can see how some could call it the best ever.

I think it is. I could never get more than a few hours into it. It just wasn't fun. It seemed complicated just for the sake of being complicated to me.Guppy507

It's not, it's actually relatively simple. Giving the player freedom of choice to progress in ways that matches the players abilities is not complicated at all, it's just logical. The game does seem to reward stealth more than going guns blazing though.

And no, Deus Ex is not overrated. It may have some flaws, but that dosn't take away from the fact the game is one of a kind. It shows a great potential for what the FPS genre can deliver, potential that has not been properly exploited.

If Deus Ex was released today with a next gen facelift but everything else intact, I think it could still score a 9.0, that's how revolutionary its gameplay/story was then.General_X

If it is in first person it must be a First Person Shooter and the shooting sucks. Good luck with it scoring a 9.0. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I did beat Deus Ex for the first time last month and I must say it's a great game. Is it the best PC game of all time? No but it was a rather unique experience. It is not perfect but it deserves the praise it gets.

It is personally in my top 10 favorite PC games of all time. As for Invisible War I have iot too but have not played it yet.

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If it is in first person it must be a First Person Shooter and the shooting sucks. Good luck with it scoring a 9.0. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

texasgoldrush

Bioshock wouldn't even exist without Dues Ex, and it's still not anywhere near as good as it.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] yeah because mass effect and bioshock had such great shooting mechanics! oh wait...WasntAvailable

Bioshock wouldn't even exist without Dues Ex, and it's still not anywhere near as good as it.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Bioshocks is better than both DX games.texasgoldrush

Bioshock wouldn't even exist without Dues Ex, and it's still not anywhere near as good as it.

Yeah, actually forgot about that. Still havn't got around to playing System Shock 2. I was getting confused because of all the interviews from staff who worked on Bioshock talking about how awesome Dues Ex was.

I'm not even sure to be honest.....but I do agree with the shooting mechanics 100%. I just don't see how people can call this the greatest game possible with such a big flaw like the shooting mechanics....and I'm a person who got it recently due to so many people saying how great it is and I'm close to 5 hours in and it didn't give me a good first impression at allYuriSH

[QUOTE="YuriSH"]I'm not even sure to be honest.....but I do agree with the shooting mechanics 100%. I just don't see how people can call this the greatest game possible with such a big flaw like the shooting mechanics....and I'm a person who got it recently due to so many people saying how great it is and I'm close to 5 hours in and it didn't give me a good first impression at allParasomniac

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"][QUOTE="YuriSH"]I'm not even sure to be honest.....but I do agree with the shooting mechanics 100%. I just don't see how people can call this the greatest game possible with such a big flaw like the shooting mechanics....and I'm a person who got it recently due to so many people saying how great it is and I'm close to 5 hours in and it didn't give me a good first impression at allGuppy507

You really should put more time in to Dues Ex. Did you make it as far as Hong Kong?

It's a good game. Aged pretty badly though.

Gamespot's score is spot on imo.

[QUOTE="YuriSH"]I'm not even sure to be honest.....but I do agree with the shooting mechanics 100%. I just don't see how people can call this the greatest game possible with such a big flaw like the shooting mechanics....and I'm a person who got it recently due to so many people saying how great it is and I'm close to 5 hours in and it didn't give me a good first impression at allParasomniac

The Mass Effect series is highly influential...We are starting to see the impact ME had.texasgoldrush

Look at everything Skrat_01 has said, the guy talks sence.

Deus Ex, is brilliant because anybody can make the game their own, they can be stealthy, or rambo, or techy or...because the game has an answer for everyone. I think every situation has AT LEAST 3 solutions. The game has loads of replayability because of this choice, the Cause/Effect system works tremendously well. The first level if off putting and the game seems complicated to start, but thats because it tries to show you everything you can do at once, but thats not possible because its all about experimenting with different choicesand finding what works for you.

I say you need to get the the 3rd misson of Deus Ex to find out what its really about. Even today no other game is like it, thats 10 years and still unrivaled!

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]The Mass Effect series is highly influential...We are starting to see the impact ME had.skrat_01

Maybe you find it to be overrated but I don't. >.>

I loved playing through the game.

It's one of my most hated games of all time.

But it's not overrated in any way. It does what it does, and performs it well. Well, for other people.

Everysingle game is overrated to somebody.

Maybe you find it to be overrated but I don't. >.>

I loved playing through the game.

timmy00

Deus Ex is great, easily a top 20 or top 30 PC game, but it is only the greatest PC game of all time if you ignore Civilization, Pirates!, SimCity, Ultima IV and VII, XCOM: UFO Defense, Tie Fighter, Starcraft, Doom, Quake, Half Life, Planescape Torment, Fallout, Command in Conquer, and even System Shock 2 and more. DX wasn't even the best PC game of 2000, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn is the top.

All I can say is this: I bet you every penny to my name that there is at least one person for each of those examples who can rattle off a list of flaws for those titles and reason why those games are nowhere near "legendary" as some others may claim. I'm not denying those examples are great games as the ones I played (never played pirates or system shock 2) left me with with reasons why I play games in the first place. Despite this, all I know is games such as Deus Ex left me with an extremely satisfying experience and nothing you can say or do can change that.

Deus Ex is great, easily a top 20 or top 30 PC game, but it is only the greatest PC game of all time if you ignore Civilization, Pirates!, SimCity, Ultima IV and VII, XCOM: UFO Defense, Tie Fighter, Starcraft, Doom, Quake, Half Life, Planescape Torment, Fallout, Command in Conquer, and even System Shock 2 and more. DX wasn't even the best PC game of 2000, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn is the top.XIntoTheBlue

All I can say is this: I bet you every penny to my name that there is at least one person for each of those examples who can rattle off a list of flaws for those titles and reason why those games are nowhere near "legendary" as some others may claim. I'm not denying those examples are great games as the ones I played (never played pirates or system shock 2) left me with with reasons why I play games in the first place. Despite this, all I know is games such as Deus Ex left me with an extremely satisfying experience and nothing you can say or do can change that.

It's the second greatest game this year, barely behinf Gears 3 and inching past The Witcher 2. So No.Lexter45