Is every 360/PS3 game possible on both 360 and PS3?

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#101 Roushrsh
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"] I meant by not providing a link and only expressing your opinionIronBass
Link for what? A link that says Sony own devs are not a reliable source for what can or can not be done on a 360? I hope you are kidding.

No man, I meant that a sony dev saying that the game is not possible on another platform is more reliable than just you saying that they're not reliable :S
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#102 EmperorZeruel
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the only game that 360 might not be able to run is heavy rain, even through it is not out its the best looking console game i ever scene
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#103 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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No man, I meant that a sony dev saying that the game is not possible on another platform is more reliable than just you saying that they're not reliable :SRoushrsh
Well, I disagree on that. When such big companies tend to lie, make up the truth etc ect just to make their console looks superior, their word is not reliable. If you think it is... well, good for you :)
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#104 Roushrsh
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"]No man, I meant that a sony dev saying that the game is not possible on another platform is more reliable than just you saying that they're not reliable :SIronBass
Well, I disagree on that. When such big companies tend to lie, make up the truth etc ect just to make their console looks superior, their word is not reliable. If you think it is... well, good for you :)

Then why doesn't Microsoft do the same and proclaim their games can't be done on the PS3?
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#105 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Then why doesn't Microsoft do the same and proclaim their games can't be done on the PS3?Roushrsh

Maybe because none of MS first party games (Fable II, Viva Pinata, Forza 2, Banjo Kazooie, Halo 3) are focused on their technical merits (like Killzone 2, Uncharted, etc).

Epic is a multiplat dev, so they must watch out what they say.

Edit: as stated by ToScA-, what MS says or not does not make Sony's word more or lessreliable.

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#106 BuryMe
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I'm sure it could be done. Maybe there would need to be significant reprogramming, but I don't see why the same games couldn't run on both platforms.

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#107 ToScA-
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Roushrsh"]No man, I meant that a sony dev saying that the game is not possible on another platform is more reliable than just you saying that they're not reliable :SRoushrsh
Well, I disagree on that. When such big companies tend to lie, make up the truth etc ect just to make their console looks superior, their word is not reliable. If you think it is... well, good for you :)

Then why doesn't Microsoft do the same and proclaim their games can't be done on the PS3?

Perhaps because they feel that they don't need to. They're well ahead in sales (i.e marketshare), which is what matters to them.

How you came to the conclusion that because Microsoft doesn't say anything, while Sony does..somehow renders what Sony says correct; I will never understand.

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#108 Roushrsh
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"]Then why doesn't Microsoft do the same and proclaim their games can't be done on the PS3?IronBass
Because none of MS first party games (Fable II, Viva Pinata, Forza 2, Banjo Kazooie) are focused on their technical merits (like Killzone 2, Uncharted, etc). Epic is a multiplat dev, so they must watch out what they say.

Hmm, true, but it is still strange that no microsoft dev has said that their game can't be run on the PS3, it seems like something that would be easily said right away to make the opposing console seem less attractive. Epic's smart. They never said that gears of war can't be run on PS3. If you look at the quote (this is for other people) : "Since Epic is working with the PS3 hardware and the Xbox 360 hardware could Gears of War ever work on the Playstation 3? "256 MB of RAM makes a huge difference. There is no way we could ever do Gears of War on 256, we had trouble fitting everything on 512MB. We pushed the 360 to the limits." They just stated that 256megs of ram isn't enough to run gears and completely avoided the question :S
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#109 Roushrsh
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Well, I disagree on that. When such big companies tend to lie, make up the truth etc ect just to make their console looks superior, their word is not reliable. If you think it is... well, good for you :)ToScA-

Then why doesn't Microsoft do the same and proclaim their games can't be done on the PS3?

Perhaps because they feel that they don't need to. They're well ahead in sales (i.e marketshare), which is what matters to them.

How you came to the conclusion that because Microsoft doesn't say anything, while Sony does..somehow renders what Sony says correct; I will never understand.

Not necessarily correct, but not wrong like you're stating.
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#110 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Hmm, true, but it is still strange that no microsoft dev has said that their game can't be run on the PS3, it seems like something that would be easily said right away to make the opposing console seem less attractive.Roushrsh
As stated by ToScA-, what MS says or not does not make Sony's word more or less reliable.
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#111 Roushrsh
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"] Hmm, true, but it is still strange that no microsoft dev has said that their game can't be run on the PS3, it seems like something that would be easily said right away to make the opposing console seem less attractive.IronBass
As stated by ToScA-, what MS says or not does not make Sony's word more or less reliable.

Although not 100% percent, their word is more reliable than any forum posters :)
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#112 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Although not 100% percent, their word is more reliable than any forum posters :)Roushrsh
On that we disagree.
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#113 gensigns
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Find me a 360 developer saying their game can't be run on PS3, yet there are a lot of PS3 developers saying their games can't be run on the 360Roushrsh

I can find you people that will say the moon is made of cheese - it doesn't make it true though...

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#114 Roushrsh
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"]Find me a 360 developer saying their game can't be run on PS3, yet there are a lot of PS3 developers saying their games can't be run on the 360gensigns

I can find you people that will say the moon is made of cheese - it doesn't make it true though...

Yes, but those people haven't worked on things "about the moon". Besides, it has been proven the moon isn't made of cheese. Unlike the hardware debate whihc is arguable. The developpers have worked on game hardware. You're taking a reaaallly long pull by using a comparison like that :S
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#115 Roushrsh
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"]Although not 100% percent, their word is more reliable than any forum posters :)IronBass
On that we disagree.

Really? You think some random guy on the internet is more reliable than a multibillion dollar company such as Sony? :S
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#116 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Really? You think some random guy on the internet is more reliable than a multibillion dollar company such as Sony? :SRoushrsh
When talking about forum posters, I meant my own person ;) And yes, I find my own common sense more reliable than the words of a "a multibillion dollar company such as Sony", that the only thing they want is to sell their products.
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#117 -GeordiLaForge-
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The RSX can't pump out enough shaders to keep up with the Xenos, but the Cell has the programmable cache. So either way, games would have to be tweaked to work on the other system. Bump mapping, textures, etc would have to be tuned down for the PS3, and physics code, A.I. code, etc. would have to be rewritten and made lighter to run on the 360...
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#118 mattbbpl
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Does anyone here honestly think they should take corporate propaganda as gospel? The companies have significant reason to cause consumers to believe that their product is the best whether it's true or not. It's called corporate slant, and it's something that we live with every day.
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#119 jarhead20
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I think any game could be made in both systems with hardly any differences..the thing would be the storage capacity of the blu ray, some games (mgs4 comes to mind) if ported to the xbox probably would have to come on 2, 3 or more dvd's...

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#120 Roushrsh
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"]Really? You think some random guy on the internet is more reliable than a multibillion dollar company such as Sony? :SIronBass
When talking about forum posters, I meant my own person ;) And yes, I find my own common sense more reliable than the words of a "a multibillion dollar company such as Sony", that the only thing they want is to sell their products.

I understand you, just like how I'd take my own word over others, its just harder to take someone else's over a company such as sonys
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#121 kkevguy47k
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there are many ps3 games that can't run on 360. i think gears of war 2 just couldn't be done on ps3 though. however, most games could be done on both systems.
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#122 franky_babylon
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Both systems are pretty equal, and every game for either system is possible on both system, if the devs take the time to do it. Sony and MS, would like gamers to believe that only certain games is possible on THEIR system, only fanboys would really believesomething like that.

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#123 kidonre
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every ps3 game can be done on 360 and vice vera

in fact the 360 version of ps3 exclusives will look slighter better, since the AA in 360 doesn't blur the textures

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#124 kidonre
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image KZ2 in 360, kz2 would be mush be sharper, have more color and better framerate

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#125 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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To those playing the "Dev testimonial" card;

When has Guerilla Games, Naughty Dog, or any other Sony first party team ever worked on the 360s architecture? How would they even know what's possible on that platform with their engines? To say nothing of the fact (as pointed out already) that their PR is constrained by Sony's ownership.

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#126 adman66
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i dont understand the pro sony crowd, they says alot can't be done then all they do are say a few exclusives are kidding themselves. all but a few games that they name are either 1st/2nd party games or sony loyal devs(kojima) that are backed with nearly infinite cash and have the first dev kits and took 2-3 years after launch(+1-2 years pre launch) to make the games or in the case of gt5 10 years. too bad 99% of 3rd parties dont have that kind of money ($60 million for kz2 for example) or time and are not going to go all out(money wise), sony can since they wil sell some consoles to get more money from the game indirectly. the truth is that all games can be made on either console, it may take mroe then one dvd for the 360 but it can be done. i just wish someone would take the same time and money that some ps3 titles do and show fanboys what time and money can do for the look of the game
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#127 Flanker15
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The consoles are basically the same, any differences in quality requires you put them next to each other to see. It's nothing like the last gens where there were huge differences in performance (Gamecube being twice the power of the PS2 and the Xbox being 3 times the power of the Gamecube, that's a huge difference and actually made a difference in games). The systems will give you the same quality this time so it's just up to personal preference.

(Also the least powerful system in the last gen was considered the most sucessful and the most powerful wasn't the most sucessful in the 2 prio gens, so tech doesn't really matter in the end).

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#128 adman66
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think of the ps3 and 360 like a pc and mac. each os operates differently, using things like memory differently(from what i've heard) makes games work on one and not the other unless its modified. in other wordsif crytek made crysis on a mac do you think it would be safe to say that mac has better graphics and cant be done on pc? did not think so
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#129 mD-
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The consoles are basically the same, any differences in quality requires you put them next to each other to see. It's nothing like the last gens where there were huge differences in performance (Gamecube being twice the power of the PS2 and the Xbox being 3 times the power of the Gamecube, that's a huge difference and actually made a difference in games). The systems will give you the same quality this time so it's just up to personal preference.

(Also the least powerful system in the last gen was considered the most sucessful and the most powerful wasn't the most sucessful in the 2 prio gens, so tech doesn't really matter in the end).

Flanker15

Actually, the gamecube had the most powerful graphics chip out of the three. It also had a slow processor, which shown by the framerate hits when played 4 player split screen

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#130 kidonre
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The consoles are basically the same, any differences in quality requires you put them next to each other to see. It's nothing like the last gens where there were huge differences in performance (Gamecube being twice the power of the PS2 and the Xbox being 3 times the power of the Gamecube, that's a huge difference and actually made a difference in games). The systems will give you the same quality this time so it's just up to personal preference.

(Also the least powerful system in the last gen was considered the most sucessful and the most powerful wasn't the most sucessful in the 2 prio gens, so tech doesn't really matter in the end).

Flanker15

EXACTLY I don't understand why the difference is being so emphasized when 360 and ps3 are so closly leveled but not last gen when the xbox was 3 times powerful than everything else and xbox games look years ahead of ps2 games

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#131 kidonre
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[QUOTE="Flanker15"]

The consoles are basically the same, any differences in quality requires you put them next to each other to see. It's nothing like the last gens where there were huge differences in performance (Gamecube being twice the power of the PS2 and the Xbox being 3 times the power of the Gamecube, that's a huge difference and actually made a difference in games). The systems will give you the same quality this time so it's just up to personal preference.

(Also the least powerful system in the last gen was considered the most sucessful and the most powerful wasn't the most sucessful in the 2 prio gens, so tech doesn't really matter in the end).

mD-

Actually, the gamecube had the most powerful graphics chip out of the three. It also had a slow processor, which shown by the framerate hits when played 4 player split screen

umm no it wasn't xbox's nvidia gpu was better, it had higher polygon capacity, better effects, textures, shaders and resolution , there were xbox games that did 720p gamecube had second best looking games though
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#132 xscott1018
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yes, games can be made on the 360 and ps3 both the same. i don't know why people don't think that. it reality the system are both the same thing. blu-ray is only a storage device, it doesn't mean it will make the ps3 have better graphics. PC have better graphics size does not matter. ps3 is storage so companies don't compress anything.
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#133 david_lck
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every ps3 game can be done on 360 and vice vera

in fact the 360 version of ps3 exclusives will look slighter better, since the AA in 360 doesn't blur the textures

kidonre
No it won't the fact that it's being ported over and lack of storage means that it will always be an inferior version. Less memory=Sub-par cutscenes and sound.
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#134 mD-
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I was mistaken in my previous statement. Still, Gamecube could output very similar graphics to the Xbox even though the Xbox had a slight advantage. It is complete BS to say though that the Xbox was 3-5x more powerful than the gamecube. The Gamecube lacked in power from its weaker cpu

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#135 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="kidonre"]

every ps3 game can be done on 360 and vice vera

in fact the 360 version of ps3 exclusives will look slighter better, since the AA in 360 doesn't blur the textures

david_lck

No it won't the fact that it's being ported over and lack of storage means that it will always be an inferior version. Less memory=Sub-par cutscenes and sound.

oh really...............

yoda

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#136 adman66
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[QUOTE="david_lck"][QUOTE="kidonre"]

every ps3 game can be done on 360 and vice vera

in fact the 360 version of ps3 exclusives will look slighter better, since the AA in 360 doesn't blur the textures

navyguy21

No it won't the fact that it's being ported over and lack of storage means that it will always be an inferior version. Less memory=Sub-par cutscenes and sound.

oh really...............

yoda

what are you talkign about blu-ray is the new ram, 50gig ram is more then pcs have......:roll:

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#137 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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what are you talkign about blu-ray is the new ram, 50gig ram is more then pcs have......:roll:

adman66

The media disc is the RAM? Are you *bleepin* serious???? :|:|:|

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#138 beast667
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="adman66"]

what are you talkign about blu-ray is the new ram, 50gig ram is more then pcs have......:roll:

The media disc is the RAM? Are you *bleepin* serious???? :|:|:|

Yeah, I think I missed something here...
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#139 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="adman66"]

what are you talkign about blu-ray is the new ram, 50gig ram is more then pcs have......:roll:

The media disc is the RAM? Are you *bleepin* serious???? :|:|:|

Haven't you ever heard of a swap drive? ;)
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#140 Myzz617
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="adman66"]

what are you talkign about blu-ray is the new ram, 50gig ram is more then pcs have......:roll:

The media disc is the RAM? Are you *bleepin* serious???? :|:|:|

Haven't you ever heard of a swap drive? ;)

Lol yeaa 50gig RAM all day everyday the slim ps3 will not even need a graphics card thats how powerful the RAM and CPU are 8)
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#141 shawn7324
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Yes any game for either system could be made for the other.

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#142 hamoksha0000
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wake up people the 360 is abetter system in graphics cut out the other things that ps3 does but when system with 3 cores can do the same as 8 cores that means the 3 cores is powerful and the gpu in xbox 360 by ati so it does abetter graphics thus ps3 is rsx from nvidia so it can perform physics excellent but both are good both have good exclusives i played on both and have a 360 but i like it more than aps3 why i dont know really . we can see kz2 what is the better thing in it the physics . mgs 4 i like it but ilike splinter cell too if u open your eyes ps3 owners u will find alot of good games for 360 and better to come . i am not fan of any console i beleive that pc is the most powerful machine on the planet .

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#143 -Traveller-
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wake up people the 360 is abetter system in graphics cut out the other things that ps3 does but when system with 3 cores can do the same as 8 cores that means the 3 cores is powerful and the gpu in xbox 360 by ati so it does abetter graphics thus ps3 is rsx from nvidia so it can perform physics excellent but both are good both have good exclusives i played on both and have a 360 but i like it more than aps3 why i dont know really . we can see kz2 what is the better thing in it the physics . mgs 4 i like it but ilike splinter cell too if u open your eyes ps3 owners u will find alot of good games for 360 and better to come . i am not fan of any console i beleive that pc is the most powerful machine on the planet .

hamoksha0000

You would be better off not getting into the technology driving the consoles, however you make a somewhat good point. Both are good, and both do have good exclusives.

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#144 karasill
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wake up people the 360 is abetter system in graphics cut out the other things that ps3 does but when system with 3 cores can do the same as 8 cores that means the 3 cores is powerful and the gpu in xbox 360 by ati so it does abetter graphics thus ps3 is rsx from nvidia so it can perform physics excellent but both are good both have good exclusives i played on both and have a 360 but i like it more than aps3 why i dont know really . we can see kz2 what is the better thing in it the physics . mgs 4 i like it but ilike splinter cell too if u open your eyes ps3 owners u will find alot of good games for 360 and better to come . i am not fan of any console i beleive that pc is the most powerful machine on the planet .

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Dude learn to use a comma. I barely understood what you were tryng to say. You don't seem too knowledgeable in the hardware aspect of consoles so if I were you I'd avoid getting into it like you know what you're talking about. Anyways, both consoles are pretty much on par with each other.

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#145 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="hamoksha0000"]

wake up people the 360 is abetter system in graphics cut out the other things that ps3 does but when system with 3 cores can do the same as 8 cores that means the 3 cores is powerful and the gpu in xbox 360 by ati so it does abetter graphics thus ps3 is rsx from nvidia so it can perform physics excellent but both are good both have good exclusives i played on both and have a 360 but i like it more than aps3 why i dont know really . we can see kz2 what is the better thing in it the physics . mgs 4 i like it but ilike splinter cell too if u open your eyes ps3 owners u will find alot of good games for 360 and better to come . i am not fan of any console i beleive that pc is the most powerful machine on the planet .

One should not compare Xbox 360 against PS3 in CPU vs CPU or GPU vs GPU.
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#146 delta3074
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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"]I think there are PS3 games which can't be run on the 360 but not vice verca. Find me a 360 developer saying their game can't be run on PS3, yet there are a lot of PS3 developers saying their games can't be run on the 360

cliffy b said gears 1 couldn't be done on ps3 because of RAM limitations.
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#147 hamoksha0000
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i am sorry guys but really i love both and i dont know well on the hardware section on consoles and on latest gpu tech , but thats my opinion the 360 can keep up with ps3 .

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#148 Malta_1980
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so far i believe all games out can be done on each console.. there might be some minor differences but still they could be done...

both 360 & PS3 are great consoles ;)

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#149 surrealnumber5
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well halo and gears cant be done on the ps3 just like R&C and heavenly sword cant be done on the 360, and pc's cant do HD.....
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#150 LOXO7
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Who picks "D"? Really now. That is ridiculous.