Is FFXIII killing the Final Fantasy brand?

Not unless one takes what a few whining fanatics have to say as world reality. FFXIII scored an 8.5 here which means "great", and it sold more than Mass Effect did. So I'd have say no, FFXIII is not killing the series.

there have been more bad ff games than good ones, how can 13 kill the brand?

FFXIII imo was a great game. Not their best but it was definitely better than FFXII for me.

So no the Final Fantasy series isn't "dying" yet.

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]I got FF13 expecting it to be flawed. So i had no high expectations. I expected a game with linear levels, lots of cutscenes, story driven and a good battle system. Instead I got one of the most poorly written stories I have had the displeasure of sitting through, an unpolished and badly thought out battle system and extremely poor pacing. I thought they sacrificed gameplay for story, but this story is truly awful. It shows that square is lost.princemarth23

Lol meh, I've seen worst stories in games and it was more about the character interactions than the overarching plot, which was a bit too anime for lots of people to stomach, but as someone who used to watch a ton of anime it wasn't anything too weird. Also, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but it's my and many other's opinion that the battle system is the best in the series.

Everyone bangs on about how much XIII sucked for being totally linear and forcing you down a path, but Final Fantasy X was exactly the same, and loads of people say X is their favourite FF game. There wasn't a world map, just a bunch of interconnected places that you travelled to...sound familiar?

It seems people that disliked XII liked XIII. I liked XII because of it's exploration and large amount of optional content in the form of quests and monster hunts. It's story suited me just fine--more focus on actual events in the world, not on the characters so much (I am not your therapist--STOP telling me how you feel right now). I don't know how often I skipped scenes in XIII because I over-dosed on information I didn't care about.

At any rate XIII probably didn't sell as much as anticipated and got a fair amount of backlash, but it is far from being a failure.

Final Fantasy reminds me of the "huge" influential bands of the 90's that could have been legendary but got stuck in the past and never bothered to progress. The Final Fantasy games are stuck in the 90's, and the franchise loves to engulf itself with problematic drama instead of striding on success and moving on.

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[QUOTE="Androvinus"]I got FF13 expecting it to be flawed. So i had no high expectations. I expected a game with linear levels, lots of cutscenes, story driven and a good battle system. Instead I got one of the most poorly written stories I have had the displeasure of sitting through, an unpolished and badly thought out battle system and extremely poor pacing. I thought they sacrificed gameplay for story, but this story is truly awful. It shows that square is lost.Androvinus

Lol meh, I've seen worst stories in games and it was more about the character interactions than the overarching plot, which was a bit too anime for lots of people to stomach, but as someone who used to watch a ton of anime it wasn't anything too weird. Also, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but it's my and many other's opinion that the battle system is the best in the series.

The story isn't hard to understand if you read the datalog. Just like Assassin's Creed 2.

The story isn't hard to understand if you read the datalog. Just like Assassin's Creed 2.

turtlethetaffer

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]The story isn't hard to understand if you read the datalog. Just like Assassin's Creed 2.

Androvinus

Don't spoil it! Haven't gotten there yet, I'm about 25 hours in.

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]The story isn't hard to understand if you read the datalog. Just like Assassin's Creed 2.

turtlethetaffer

Don't spoil it! Haven't gotten there yet, I'm about 25 hours in.

Final Fantasy reminds me of the "huge" influential bands of the 90's that could have been legendary but got stuck in the past and never bothered to progress. The Final Fantasy games are stuck in the 90's, and the franchise loves to engulf itself with problematic drama instead of striding on success and moving on.

mexicangordo

Really if that were true certain fans would never complain. Each FF plays differently from each other. Its not always the same battle system,story,character or world. Thats why the fanbase has so many splits. Thats the reason I like the series since not counting sequels like 13-2 your pretty much getting a new direction each part. Now is that direction good or bad is based on the persons opinion.

I got FF13 expecting it to be flawed. So i had no high expectations. I expected a game with linear levels, lots of cutscenes, story driven and a good battle system. Instead I got one of the most poorly written stories I have had the displeasure of sitting through, an unpolished and badly thought out battle system and extremely poor pacing. I thought they sacrificed gameplay for story, but this story is truly awful. It shows that square is lost.Androvinus

I actually felt it was one of the top battle systems the series has. Also the pacing didint feel to bad since it was always on the move.

I found 13 to be good but not as good as every other FF before it (minus X-2). The real stinker is XIV... what a mangled POS that turned out to be. So much potential for the game but just marred by high system requirements and just flat out retarded bazaar system... how do you take one of the best innovations of FFXI (auction house) and toss it away for NPC statues that sell your stuff? how do you limit how many missions you can do per day? how do you have a level 10 craft recipe require a level 100 item to make....

Anyway... you are SE... be SE... not EA.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]The story isn't hard to understand if you read the datalog. Just like Assassin's Creed 2.

Androvinus

You don't necessarily have to read the datalog. Sure you have to if you want to understand the story in the very beginning of the game, but as it progresses, you learn everything you need to know through cutscenes.

I didn't read the datalog on my playthrough of the game and understood the story just fine. The ending, however, was just....terribly confusing.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]The story isn't hard to understand if you read the datalog. Just like Assassin's Creed 2.

Androvinus

then dont play it, people like you are ruining rpgs, rpgs are story driven if you dont like it try another genre

XIII was awesome imo and FF isn't close to dead for me.

princemarth23

The FF brand was dying long before FFXIII. Just face it, Square sucks ass. Don't expect anything great from them ever again.Crystal-Rush

pretty much this, they release more crap games than good games for a while now

I found 13 to be good but not as good as every other FF before it (minus X-2). The real stinker is XIV... what a mangled POS that turned out to be. So much potential for the game but just marred by high system requirements and just flat out retarded bazaar system... how do you take one of the best innovations of FFXI (auction house) and toss it away for NPC statues that sell your stuff? how do you limit how many missions you can do per day? how do you have a level 10 craft recipe require a level 100 item to make....

Anyway... you are SE... be SE... not EA.

FragTycoon

No. FFXIII sold very well, got great critic reviews on average and I personally loved the game. I loved FFXII even more, though, gotta agree with that. I'll never understand the FF fanbase, it's a jumbled mess of disparate opinions that can't agree with anything. I think the series is in good shape, but I can't even say that without being bombarded by haters :P It's aggravating.

One problem though: FFXIII's budget was about 5 times bigger than the other two mentioned. Square practically risked bankruptcy on FFXIII, and it did not sell well enough to justify the amount of money they spent on it.Timstuff

Umm. No. IIRC a few short months after the release of FFXIII Square had an 11% increase in profits. The game sold very well, has the best first week in FF history, and has a fanbase interested in XIII-2.

And a company as large as Square can't really risk bankruptcy with a single title..

No. FFXIII sold very well, got great critic reviews on average and I personally loved the game. I loved FFXII even more, though, gotta agree with that. I'll never understand the FF fanbase, it's a jumbled mess of disparate opinions that can't agree with anything. I think the series is in good shape, but I can't even say that without being bombarded by haters :P It's aggravating.

calvinsora

Uh-oh FF debate, which means so many diffrent opinions as meny FF games, which means guerranty rage :P Yet series are still alive and will be until SE dies, reason? It's there most know series and is hard to belive that they ever leave it, it would be like MS would leave Halo

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

No. FFXIII sold very well, got great critic reviews on average and I personally loved the game. I loved FFXII even more, though, gotta agree with that. I'll never understand the FF fanbase, it's a jumbled mess of disparate opinions that can't agree with anything. I think the series is in good shape, but I can't even say that without being bombarded by haters :P It's aggravating.

Timstuff

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

No. FFXIII sold very well, got great critic reviews on average and I personally loved the game. I loved FFXII even more, though, gotta agree with that. I'll never understand the FF fanbase, it's a jumbled mess of disparate opinions that can't agree with anything. I think the series is in good shape, but I can't even say that without being bombarded by haters :P It's aggravating.

Timstuff

FFXIII was, for SE, a fincancial success, that is to me enough of a reason to think it's still going on. We're talking about killing, not being as successful. Same with the scores, I'm not a fan of comparative scoring, and we never know if the next game in the series couldn't be better. Of course, it's all about opinion, but FF won't die for a long time if SE's next projects are any indication. FFXIV, though, was a failure and had a far more negative impact on the series.

Final Fantasy started to go down hill after X (although that one gave me a headache with the TERRIBLE voice acting).

Square needs to realise that they were a one trick pony, they should just remake their old games like FF7 with new graphics and that kind of stuff, then MABEY they could redeem there status.

Also I have never been a fan of the charecter models in just about any of their games, they look like freakin' cross dressers. I don't know WHY anyone would want to dress up like that in real life, makes no sense.

Final Fantasy started to go down hill after X (although that one gave me a headache with the TERRIBLE voice acting).

Square needs to realise that they were a one trick pony, they should just remake their old games like FF7 with new graphics and that kind of stuff, then MABEY they could redeem there status.

Also I have never been a fan of the charecter models in just about any of their games, they look like freakin' cross dressers. I don't know WHY anyone would want to dress up like that in real life, makes no sense.

ShadowMoses900

Well it is fantasy... they're supposed to dress differently.

Anyways, if they remade FFVII, I would totally buy it because I've never been able to play it before.

I enjoyed FFXIII - much more than X, VIII and VII. It was disappointing in some ways and felt like a step backward coming after XII, but overall, it was a good game, imo. The battle system was one of the best in the series.

Also, I like that the FF series changes things up from game to game; it keeps the series from getting stale. There are times when we get a bad battle system (FFVIII - imo), but I appreciate that they try to do something new and aren't afraid to take risks. I got bored with the Disgaea series due to the lack of change.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Final Fantasy started to go down hill after X (although that one gave me a headache with the TERRIBLE voice acting).

Square needs to realise that they were a one trick pony, they should just remake their old games like FF7 with new graphics and that kind of stuff, then MABEY they could redeem there status.

Also I have never been a fan of the charecter models in just about any of their games, they look like freakin' cross dressers. I don't know WHY anyone would want to dress up like that in real life, makes no sense.

turtlethetaffer

Well it is fantasy... they're supposed to dress differently.

Anyways, if they remade FFVII, I would totally buy it because I've never been able to play it before.

I don't know any kind of "fantasy" where men dress up like women, and I hope I never find out.

When I think of fantasy I think of a knight decked out in badass armor or a mage with a cloak or something... certainly not a guy with blonde hair wearing no shirt and tights for pants (the guy from FF12 i think...)

But if they made FF7 I would buy that in a heartbeat. Also what ever happened to the Chrono series? I played Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross but after that they just stopped.... those games were fun even though Chrono Cross had an impossible stroyline to follow due to it being too confusing.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Final Fantasy started to go down hill after X (although that one gave me a headache with the TERRIBLE voice acting).

Square needs to realise that they were a one trick pony, they should just remake their old games like FF7 with new graphics and that kind of stuff, then MABEY they could redeem there status.

Also I have never been a fan of the charecter models in just about any of their games, they look like freakin' cross dressers. I don't know WHY anyone would want to dress up like that in real life, makes no sense.

ShadowMoses900

Well it is fantasy... they're supposed to dress differently.

Anyways, if they remade FFVII, I would totally buy it because I've never been able to play it before.

I don't know any kind of "fantasy" where men dress up like women, and I hope I never find out.

When I think of fantasy I think of a knight decked out in badass armor or a mage with a cloak or something... certainly not a guy with blonde hair wearing no shirt and tights for pants (the guy from FF12 i think...)

But if they made FF7 I would buy that in a heartbeat. Also what ever happened to the Chrono series? I played Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross but after that they just stopped.... those games were fun even though Chrono Cross had an impossible stroyline to follow due to it being too confusing.

I have never played Chrono Cross but after playing Chrono Trigger on DS, I really want to.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Final Fantasy started to go down hill after X (although that one gave me a headache with the TERRIBLE voice acting).

Square needs to realise that they were a one trick pony, they should just remake their old games like FF7 with new graphics and that kind of stuff, then MABEY they could redeem there status.

Also I have never been a fan of the charecter models in just about any of their games, they look like freakin' cross dressers. I don't know WHY anyone would want to dress up like that in real life, makes no sense.

ShadowMoses900

Well it is fantasy... they're supposed to dress differently.

Anyways, if they remade FFVII, I would totally buy it because I've never been able to play it before.

I don't know any kind of "fantasy" where men dress up like women, and I hope I never find out.

When I think of fantasy I think of a knight decked out in badass armor or a mage with a cloak or something... certainly not a guy with blonde hair wearing no shirt and tights for pants (the guy from FF12 i think...)

But if they made FF7 I would buy that in a heartbeat. Also what ever happened to the Chrono series? I played Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross but after that they just stopped.... those games were fun even though Chrono Cross had an impossible stroyline to follow due to it being too confusing.

FF characters do indeed dress bizarre, but not like women. I'd say that Vaan's outfit would be impossible on a female character (the blonde hair guy you're talking about). And everyone's definition of fantasy is different, fantasy is basically anything out of the trappings of reality.

I don't know any kind of "fantasy" where men dress up like women, and I hope I never find out.ShadowMoses900

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Well it is fantasy... they're supposed to dress differently.

Anyways, if they remade FFVII, I would totally buy it because I've never been able to play it before.

turtlethetaffer

I don't know any kind of "fantasy" where men dress up like women, and I hope I never find out.

When I think of fantasy I think of a knight decked out in badass armor or a mage with a cloak or something... certainly not a guy with blonde hair wearing no shirt and tights for pants (the guy from FF12 i think...)

But if they made FF7 I would buy that in a heartbeat. Also what ever happened to the Chrono series? I played Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross but after that they just stopped.... those games were fun even though Chrono Cross had an impossible stroyline to follow due to it being too confusing.

I have never played Chrono Cross but after playing Chrono Trigger on DS, I really want to.

I don't know if you have a PS3 or not, but if you do can download Chrono Cross of the PS Store for about 5 or 10 bucks, it's a great deal and that's how Iplayed it. The PS Store also has every PS One FF game on there for about the same price and last time I checked you could get FF7, 8, AND 9 for $7 each. That's pretty good all things considered, and Chrono Cross didn't take too long to download for me either.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I don't know any kind of "fantasy" where men dress up like women, and I hope I never find out.Jynxzor

No I remember playing FF 4 on the DS or something and it came with an artbook and I went over to the picture of Paladin Cecil and he was wearing makeup and I could not for the life of me figure out what gender he was until further in the story, and I don't care if it makes the charecters popular in Japan (I'm friends with a Japanese exchange student and he says the people who are into cross dressing and stuff are called yotakus or something and they are frowned upon just like they are here.)

I wish they would let you make your own charecter, because if I wanted to play as a women I would make a female charecter, simple as that. Not be forced to play some gender ambigious charecter who was drawn by some sexually confused artist or something. No thank you.

Final Fantasy XIII is an amazing game! but haters will hate :(

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

No. FFXIII sold very well, got great critic reviews on average and I personally loved the game. I loved FFXII even more, though, gotta agree with that. I'll never understand the FF fanbase, it's a jumbled mess of disparate opinions that can't agree with anything. I think the series is in good shape, but I can't even say that without being bombarded by haters :P It's aggravating.

Timstuff

I actually enjoy other m. The only beef I had with it was the lack of exploration which is the series is known for. It wasint a signal of declin in quality of metroid games since it was just 1 game where they tried something different. This is why companies are afraid to do new things since some fans would outright said the series is dead or is dieing cause of 1 game. I still cant beleive some had the nerve to say other m was so bad that they dont know if samus could ever come back from it. That type of thought process deserv a giant facepalm.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

No. FFXIII sold very well, got great critic reviews on average and I personally loved the game. I loved FFXII even more, though, gotta agree with that. I'll never understand the FF fanbase, it's a jumbled mess of disparate opinions that can't agree with anything. I think the series is in good shape, but I can't even say that without being bombarded by haters :P It's aggravating.

finalfantasy94

I actually enjoy other m. The only beef I had with it was the lack of exploration which is the series is known for. It wasint a signal of declin in quality of metroid games since it was just 1 game where they tried something different. This is why companies are afraid to do new things since some fans would outright said the series is dead or is dieing cause of 1 game. I still cant beleive some had the nerve to say other m was so bad that they dont know if samus could ever come back from it. That type of thought process deserv a giant facepalm.

Exactly my view. I completely agree.

reason why i picked up FF13 a few months ago

got a weakness for legs/thighs brah :(

Got a copy of FF13 right now that my brother borrowed. I don't even feel like playing it and I've been a long time FF fan. FF games have always been rewarding with lots of content and difficult enemies. You had to use the right combinations of spells and techniques rather than the random mash-em ups you have now. Its lost its challenge, and Square Enix has lost its credibility with me for looking to fans for ideas to maximise profits rather sticking to their guns and creating a truly great product. Now all we have are anime-like lame shonen storylines and gothic/lolita/gay characters that are typical of bad Japanese storytelling.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Final Fantasy reminds me of the "huge" influential bands of the 90's that could have been legendary but got stuck in the past and never bothered to progress. The Final Fantasy games are stuck in the 90's, and the franchise loves to engulf itself with problematic drama instead of striding on success and moving on.

finalfantasy94

Really if that were true certain fans would never complain. Each FF plays differently from each other. Its not always the same battle system,story,character or world. Thats why the fanbase has so many splits. Thats the reason I like the series since not counting sequels like 13-2 your pretty much getting a new direction each part. Now is that direction good or bad is based on the persons opinion.

[QUOTE="Shinobi7777"]

The sales of FF X-2, FF XII and then FF XIII is just a reflection on FF fans losing faith in Square in general. That's just my opinion though.

Considering XIII was the best selling of the three you mentioned, that would indicate FF fans' faith is actually increasing....

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Final Fantasy reminds me of the "huge" influential bands of the 90's that could have been legendary but got stuck in the past and never bothered to progress. The Final Fantasy games are stuck in the 90's, and the franchise loves to engulf itself with problematic drama instead of striding on success and moving on.

mexicangordo

Really if that were true certain fans would never complain. Each FF plays differently from each other. Its not always the same battle system,story,character or world. Thats why the fanbase has so many splits. Thats the reason I like the series since not counting sequels like 13-2 your pretty much getting a new direction each part. Now is that direction good or bad is based on the persons opinion.

I'd say that the spin-offs with a tactical focus rock. FFT and FFXII Revenant Wings are, at least IMO, fantastic.

Final Fantasy started to go down hill after X (although that one gave me a headache with the TERRIBLE voice acting).

Square needs to realise that they were a one trick pony, they should just remake their old games like FF7 with new graphics and that kind of stuff, then MABEY they could redeem there status.

Also I have never been a fan of the charecter models in just about any of their games, they look like freakin' cross dressers. I don't know WHY anyone would want to dress up like that in real life, makes no sense.

ShadowMoses900

one trick pony:

final fantasy series ofc

front mission series

chrono series

xenogears

vagrant story

parasit eve series

threads of fate

kingdom hearts series

last remnant

i think they have a lot more amazing games than most developer companies around

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Final Fantasy reminds me of the "huge" influential bands of the 90's that could have been legendary but got stuck in the past and never bothered to progress. The Final Fantasy games are stuck in the 90's, and the franchise loves to engulf itself with problematic drama instead of striding on success and moving on.

mexicangordo

Really if that were true certain fans would never complain. Each FF plays differently from each other. Its not always the same battle system,story,character or world. Thats why the fanbase has so many splits. Thats the reason I like the series since not counting sequels like 13-2 your pretty much getting a new direction each part. Now is that direction good or bad is based on the persons opinion.

final fantasy series ofc

front mission series

chrono series

xenogears

vagrant story

parasit eve series

threads of fate

kingdom hearts series

last remnant

i think they have a lot more amazing games than most developer companies around

I actually find XIII to be better than XII... khoofia_pika

I agree. I found it to be waaaaaay better than XII and I don't think that the franchise is dead it's very much alive. To say that XIII killed the franchise all comes down to opinons.