Is Greg Kasavin right?

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/halo/video/6076161/halo-combat-evolved-video-review?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;watch-review

Does Halo live up to the high standards of PC shooters or is Greg Kasavin totally wrong?

I really don't know. :?

I say yes, but pc fanboys would never agree. It's just a lot of fun and has high production values.

Is this because of the debate over at the PC board?:P

Considering it still has a fairly large MP community, yes.

Halo in 2003 for PC vs. other FPS's at the time? No, not even close. Also, Half-Life 2 released a year later and obliterated Halo in every sense with its gameplay.

Is this because of the debate over at the PC board?:P

Considering it still has a fairly large MP community, yes.

Baranga

A lot of people aren't too fond of Halo in the PC boards but the same can be said to the Sony and Nintendo boards.

Halo in 2003 for PC vs. other FPS's at the time? No, not even close. Also, Half-Life 2 released a year later and obliterated Halo in every sense with its gameplay.

AvIdGaMeR444

Hmm... Not really. Half-Life 2 is better than Halo, I'll give you that but Halo has better combat and WAY better A.I. than Half-Life 2. The gunplay was fairly generic and the A.I. was crap in Half-Life 2. Half-Life 1 was WAY better than HL2 anyway.

If it did... the PC version of Halo 2 would have scored higher than 7.0.

Greg Kasavin is always right. Cherokee_Jack

Him and Joe Fielder were the best!

Even though I didn't always agree with them..... Silent Hill 2: 7.8 from Joe and Deus Ex: 8.2 from Greg.

If it did... the PC version of Halo 2 would have scored higher than 7.0.

foxhound_fox

How long ago did Halo come out for the PC? Why does this matter at this point?SpruceCaboose

If it did... the PC version of Halo 2 would have scored higher than 7.0.

foxhound_fox

It would've scored better if it wasn't a terrible port. Also, that Vista exclusivity was crap. It only used a single Vista feature in a single place, something having to do with better RAM partitioning I think. It was hacked anyway.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Greg Kasavin is always right. g805ge

Him and Joe Fielder were the best!

Even though I didn't always agree with them..... Silent Hill 2: 7.8 from Joe and Deus Ex: 8.2 from Greg.

[QUOTE="g805ge"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Greg Kasavin is always right. Cherokee_Jack

Him and Joe Fielder were the best!

Even though I didn't always agree with them..... Silent Hill 2: 7.8 from Joe and Deus Ex: 8.2 from Greg.

At least he gave Ocarina of Time a 10. :D

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]How long ago did Halo come out for the PC? Why does this matter at this point?clembo1990

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If it did... the PC version of Halo 2 would have scored higher than 7.0.

Stevo_the_gamer

But Halo 2 was no where near as good as Halo CE. :P

[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]How long ago did Halo come out for the PC? Why does this matter at this point?SpruceCaboose

Edit: Infact, I remember owning you because you called me out on whether I had played Halo 3 or not. Always the smack talker, Spruce.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

If it did... the PC version of Halo 2 would have scored higher than 7.0.

Baranga

It would've scored better if it wasn't a terrible port. Also, that Vista exclusivity was crap. It only used a single Vista feature in a single place, something having to do with better RAM partitioning I think. It was hacked anyway.

If it did... the PC version of Halo 2 would have scored higher than 7.0.

foxhound_fox

If Greg reviewed it, for all we know, it could have received an 9.0.Stevo_the_gamer

It would've scored better if it wasn't a terrible port. Also, that Vista exclusivity was crap. It only used a single Vista feature in a single place, something having to do with better RAM partitioning I think. It was hacked anyway.

Baranga

But Halo 2 was no where near as good as Halo CE. :P

g805ge

It had a much better level variety and a change of pace with the Arbiter... which added narrative worth paying attention to.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="clembo1990"] It's relevant because a Halo 3 port to PC is looooooooooong over due.clembo1990

Edit: Infact, I remember owning you because you called me out on whether I had played Halo 3 or not. Always the smack talker, Spruce.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]
Probably... he gave Oblivion a 9.6/10 despite its blatant flaws.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

It would've scored better if it wasn't a terrible port. Also, that Vista exclusivity was crap. It only used a single Vista feature in a single place, something having to do with better RAM partitioning I think. It was hacked anyway.

foxhound_fox

But Halo 2 was no where near as good as Halo CE. :P

g805ge

It had a much better level variety and a change of pace with the Arbiter... which added narrative worth paying attention to.

The level designswere better in Halo 2 and Arbiter is a great character no doubt, but Halo 2 and 3 seemed to lack the epic scope Halo CE has.

You shouldn't be so hard on the Master Chief, he's just a shell character with luck on his side.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

If it did... the PC version of Halo 2 would have scored higher than 7.0.

naval

It would've scored better if it wasn't a terrible port. Also, that Vista exclusivity was crap. It only used a single Vista feature in a single place, something having to do with better RAM partitioning I think. It was hacked anyway.

That and like I said; Halo 2 is no where near as good as Halo CE. Also, Greg Kasavin is a better reviewer than Jeff Gerstmann. :P

Jeff Gerstmann is a good reviewer though. :D

Halo does live up pretty well. Halo 3 is still played online by many and it's almost 2 years old (I think). Plus the Halo series helped get a lot of things right for many console shooters after it.

halo CE absolutely. but halo 2 was utterly terrible leading me to never even touch halo 3.

Yes, because COD4 is so incrediblyfast paced that anyone can get good at it.Zoso-8

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Yes, because COD4 is so incrediblyfast paced that anyone can get good at it.g805ge

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[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Yes, because COD4 is so incrediblyfast paced that anyone can get good at it.Zoso-8

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"][QUOTE="g805ge"] Fixed it!

Lethalhazard

My sentiments exactly, at leat in Halo it takes some skill to play. Counter-Strike pwns both though.

Quake is better than all these anyway.

All hail Quake Live!

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[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Yes, because COD4 is so incrediblyfast paced that anyone can get good at it.Zoso-8

FASTER FRAME RATES?

No, because Halo is so incredibly slow paced that anyone can get good at it.Zoso-8

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]No, because Halo is so incredibly slow paced that anyone can get good at it.enterawesome

Did you read Call of duty 4 runs at 60fps while Halo 3 is at 30fps?

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Halo in 2003 for PC vs. other FPS's at the time? No, not even close. Also, Half-Life 2 released a year later and obliterated Halo in every sense with its gameplay.

g805ge

Halo has better combat and WAY better A.I. than Half-Life 2.

:lol:

The Halo AI isn't even close to the HL2 AI. You can shoot people, run back to where you were before and they don't even follow. Not to mention unless they're Elites they won't even bother to melee you from 1 feet away and will shoot at you with their plasma pistols and miss. This is on Legendary difficulty by the way.

[QUOTE="g805ge"]

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Halo in 2003 for PC vs. other FPS's at the time? No, not even close. Also, Half-Life 2 released a year later and obliterated Halo in every sense with its gameplay.

shakmaster13

Halo has better combat and WAY better A.I. than Half-Life 2.

:lol:

The Halo AI isn't even close to the HL2 AI. You can shoot people, run back to where you were before and they don't even follow. Not to mention unless they're Elites they won't even bother to melee you from 1 feet away and will shoot at you with their plasma pistols and miss. This is on Legendary difficulty by the way.

Half life 2 AI is crap.Half life 1 is better.Halo 1 ai only fail at allys.

[QUOTE="g805ge"]

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Halo in 2003 for PC vs. other FPS's at the time? No, not even close. Also, Half-Life 2 released a year later and obliterated Halo in every sense with its gameplay.

shakmaster13

Halo has better combat and WAY better A.I. than Half-Life 2.

:lol:

The Halo AI isn't even close to the HL2 AI. You can shoot people, run back to where you were before and they don't even follow. Not to mention unless they're Elites they won't even bother to melee you from 1 feet away and will shoot at you with their plasma pistols and miss. This is on Legendary difficulty by the way.

Half-Life 2 has better A.I. than Halo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0WqAmuSXEQ

And I thought Halo fanboys were delusional.

Tribes is like a gimped out Unreal Tournament. Unreal TournamentturnsTribes on its head and gives it a good paddling if you want to talk about the type of sub-genre its in on the PC.Vandalvideo

:P, :D

[QUOTE="g805ge"]

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Halo in 2003 for PC vs. other FPS's at the time? No, not even close. Also, Half-Life 2 released a year later and obliterated Halo in every sense with its gameplay.

shakmaster13

Halo has better combat and WAY better A.I. than Half-Life 2.

:lol:

The Halo AI isn't even close to the HL2 AI. You can shoot people, run back to where you were before and they don't even follow. Not to mention unless they're Elites they won't even bother to melee you from 1 feet away and will shoot at you with their plasma pistols and miss. This is on Legendary difficulty by the way.

Halo is like a gimped out Tribes. Tribes turns Halo on its head and gives it a good paddling if you want to talk about the type of sub-genre its in on the PC.Vandalvideo

^this.
+ 1 respect for Tribes comparison.

[QUOTE="g805ge"]

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

Halo in 2003 for PC vs. other FPS's at the time? No, not even close. Also, Half-Life 2 released a year later and obliterated Halo in every sense with its gameplay.

shakmaster13

Halo has better combat and WAY better A.I. than Half-Life 2.

:lol:

The Halo AI isn't even close to the HL2 AI. You can shoot people, run back to where you were before and they don't even follow. Not to mention unless they're Elites they won't even bother to melee you from 1 feet away and will shoot at you with their plasma pistols and miss. This is on Legendary difficulty by the way.

HL2's enemies are sitting ducks.

Halo has squad based AI, like Crysis and Far Cry. They have a leader and various "ranks". They have morale, know basic tactics like flanking and supressing. Sometimes they flee, only to regroup around the closest squad leader...

Halo CE was very good game, and it's still fun to play even now once in a while. Before it came out I never bothered to play console shooters, but it was just that damn good. The problem with the PC version was the lack of co-op, but it made up for it with the online and more vehicles. Only fanboys love to discredit it.