Is it common knowledge that Forza is much more realistic than Grand Turismo?

Just picked up a PS3 and GTP and I can't beleive the graphics, they're fantastic. However the gameplay even with all assists off and professional physics is much more forgiving than what i'm used to in FOrza 2, it's more like Project Gotham tbh.

Is it just this way in Prologue or is this how all GrandTurismo's have been?

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I didn't mean graphics because as I said in my first post the visuals in GT5P are much better than in Forza 2. What I meant is physics model, drifting in GT5P is like drifting in Ridge Racer, it's very easy and unrealistic. When you hit a wall not only is there no damage but the car does not react to torque from hitting one side of the car or the other, it's like the hit detection is a huge sphere with no friction and no matter where you hit it just bounces off. You can also accelerate through corners where traction would surely be an issue.

Even compared to PGR4 it may be a bit more realistic in some ways (a bit slower), but in most others even PGR4 is more 1:1 (action reaction) than GT5P. Really disapointing for me, it's not so much that the physics are unrealisitc, it's that they are bad (not 1:1), and it takes me out of the experience constantly.

Yeah, and Forza 2 sold very well.

But GT5 does look amazing. Regardless it isn't as real as forza it's still the most realistic lookin racer so to speak imo.

theres a ton more cows here then lems/informed gamers........so ur gonna see a lot of "GT is better" posts.

Actually, I have played and seen both and Forza, namely Forza 2 is a little more precise in its controls.

and forza 2s custom paint designs > GT. I have seen tons of unique car designs.

GT5 has a lot more realistic graphics, more realistic except damage but damage isn't fun.EuropeGangsta

Hmmm, I'll just ignore this one.

GT5 has a lot more realistic graphics, more realistic except damage but damage isn't fun.EuropeGangsta

cow admits GT isnt as realistic as Forza confirmed!

damage = realism. nice self ownage buddy

[QUOTE="EuropeGangsta"]GT5 has a lot more realistic graphics, more realistic except damage but damage isn't fun.Cole-Protocal

cow admits GT isnt as realistic as Forza confirmed!

damage = realism. nice self ownage buddy

he said more realistic EXCEPT damage.

a.k.a. he thinks the lack of damage is unrealistic.

Are you honestly that desperate for ownages?

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

[QUOTE="EuropeGangsta"]GT5 has a lot more realistic graphics, more realistic except damage but damage isn't fun.Eternal_Sleeper

cow admits GT isnt as realistic as Forza confirmed!

damage = realism. nice self ownage buddy

he said more realistic EXCEPT damage.

a.k.a. he thinks the lack of damage is unrealistic.

Are you honestly that desperate for ownages?

He's a lem. He thinks all cows are misinformed yet he has not looked into a mirror to see who's really misinformed...

[QUOTE="Eternal_Sleeper"][QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

cow admits GT isnt as realistic as Forza confirmed!

damage = realism. nice self ownage buddy

dragonpuppy

he said more realistic EXCEPT damage.

a.k.a. he thinks the lack of damage is unrealistic.

Are you honestly that desperate for ownages?

He's a lem. He thinks all cows are misinformed yet he has not looked into a mirror to see who's really misinformed...

ouch... double ownage, but yeah they both look good in there own right.

[QUOTE="EuropeGangsta"]GT5 has a lot more realistic graphics, more realistic except damage but damage isn't fun.Cole-Protocal

cow admits GT isnt as realistic as Forza confirmed!

damage = realism. nice self ownage buddy

I love the GT series because it's simply the best. It doesn't apologize for being a sim-cade racer, it just gracefully dances along with unmatched graphics and a certain prideful dignity which seems to elude other games. There's always the sense that it's a substantial, well thought-out product, with boundless care and certainly a lot of time invested within it. There's also an absolutely captivating atmosphere to the menus; I don't know what it is, but it's always just perfect.

Though, I think the simplest way to say it is still the best: Everybody loves Kazunori Yamauchi. Particularly because he owns not one, but two Ford GTs. This franchise is the brainchild of a serious petrolhead, but it's actually been hugely successful. Those two traits tend to be at odds with one another, having a good backstory and doing well, and when they combine, something excellent has been done, by someone passionate about it.

Also, it reliably being late has an endearing quality to it: "Okay Kazunori, we need to launch it now!" "Awwwww, just five more months? Pleeeease?"
:D

In essence, I love how it just seems never to get old and there is always something to do, even if you get a little bored, no more than a weeks goes by and I have to play again.

That is why I love Gran Turismo more than any other racing series.

Its actually common knowledge that the opposite is true. Forza can never achieve the realism GT does in the driving physics portion. GT is used by real racers and car enthusiasts for learning tracks and handling real cars and forza is just built to imitate that for average gamers. Car damage is a feature neglected by polyphony because the real players and users of GT doesn't care about it, since it'll just screw up the experience they trying to get. And also car damage in a driving simulator is just another one of the petty topics thats only constrained in the level of playing by average gamers, since its only discussed as your system war issues, and in fact even the players try to avoid it when the game anyways. Its not like you're racing online and you'll deliberately try to smash your own car into a wall just for the eye candy, and even if you are doing it intentionally, you know what kind of gamer you are.PSdual_wielder

99% of the SIM community will disagree with 99% of your post...

Its actually common knowledge that the opposite is true. Forza can never achieve the realism GT does in the driving physics portion. GT is used by real racers and car enthusiasts for learning tracks and handling real cars and forza is just built to imitate that for average gamers. Car damage is a feature neglected by polyphony because the real players and users of GT doesn't care about it, since it'll just screw up the experience they trying to get. And also car damage in a driving simulator is just another one of the petty topics thats only constrained in the level of playing by average gamers, since its only discussed as your system war issues, and in fact even the players try to avoid it when the game anyways. Its not like you're racing online and you'll deliberately try to smash your own car into a wall just for the eye candy, and even if you are doing it intentionally, you know what kind of gamer you are.PSdual_wielder

You have just unwittingly proved the exact opposite of what you're trying to argue.

theres a ton more cows here then lems/informed gamers........so ur gonna see a lot of "GT is better" posts.

Actually, I have played and seen both and Forza, namely Forza 2 is a little more precise in its controls.

and forza 2s custom paint designs > GT. I have seen tons of unique car designs.

Cole-Protocal

Wow, just wow. Generalize much? They both look awesome, I'd give a slight edge to GT though.

Get over it lems. Real race car drivers use it to learn tracks. They don't use Forza lmao!kingman03

Real race drivers use it to learn tracks, brilliant:lol:

I love both, The problems I see...Define sim:

Are you talking about on-track, real-life,re-creation of driving?

Are you talking about total game experience, menus, tuning, car selection?

Truth is, everyone's interpretation of the word "Simulation" is different, so there can be no winner unless a compare and contrast chart is made.

Honestly, while I say I tend to like Forza better than the GT series for a few reasons that I will list later in the post, GT has always had a better...*Feel* to it. It feels more professional, and more inviting at the same time.

IMO Forza has better features making it a "Racing game"

-A drivable 3rd person view of your car with 360* view

-Customization, far more engine and suspension parts, tuning, vinyl, wheels, rim size, paint options, body kits+aero

-Damage!!!

-Easy to drift ****of racing...allows you to race normally...or get your car sideways with little risk.

- Online community: the auction house is really cool, it's not perfect, but it will be better in Forza 3.

Gran Turismo has:

-Better "feel" to it

-Wider selection of cars

-Rally!

-Unique(r) feel to each car, idk I can't really explain it

-Many rare and limited edition cars

-Better sound!!

-Tracks, the tracks in GT seem more realistic

-driving physics, atleast in first person view

It's really late and I don't feel like writing all the differences out, but in short this is kind of an unfair comparison because we are comparing a game that isn't out yet (GT5) with a game that was very good and sold well (Forza 2)

A real comparison will be Forza 3 vs GT5, once they come out and all is said and done...

What we saw in Forza 2 was a leap forward for racing games, as long as GT5 can incorporate the majority of those features plus implement a few more, it will be a better game. Honestly there is no real life simulator to real racing yet, and I don't see there being one in the near future until we get a replica cockpit and a 360* screen!

Sorry for the mildly long post of rambling, wish I had more time to clear up what im trying to say-looking forward to GT5!

Yeah, and Forza 2 sold very well.

But GT5 does look amazing. Regardless it isn't as real as forza it's still the most realistic lookin racer so to speak imo.

Squall18

[QUOTE="kingman03"]Get over it lems. Real race car drivers use it to learn tracks. They don't use Forza lmao!speedsix

Real race drivers use it to learn tracks, brilliant:lol:

Don't believe me. Look it up for yourself. It's true.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/01/07/real-race-car-drivers-use-gran-turismo-to-train/

http://www.gamer.tm/news.php?id=1919

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/05/gran_turismo_racing_academy_announced-2.html

You know whats funny? IMO PGR3 had better physics than Forza 2, yup laugh away but its true.

GT:P blows away both of em.

Yeah, and Forza 2 sold very well.

But GT5 does look amazing. Regardless it isn't as real as forza it's still the most realistic lookin racer so to speak imo.

Squall18

[QUOTE="speedsix"]

[QUOTE="kingman03"]Get over it lems. Real race car drivers use it to learn tracks. They don't use Forza lmao!kingman03

Real race drivers use it to learn tracks, brilliant:lol:

Don't believe me. Look it up for yourself. It's true.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/01/07/real-race-car-drivers-use-gran-turismo-to-train/

http://www.gamer.tm/news.php?id=1919

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/05/gran_turismo_racing_academy_announced-2.html

Firstly, those articles are nothing more than advertisements. Secondly, they just say something like 'Real race drivers use GT' Proof? Which race drivers? Thirdly it simply says they use it as a 'virtual tour' i.e to learn the track layout and then says 'It probably helps with general driving knowledge and skills, too. Don't quote us on that, though.' This has absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of the physics.

Just picked up a PS3 and GTP and I can't beleive the graphics, they're fantastic. However the gameplay even with all assists off and professional physics is much more forgiving than what i'm used to in FOrza 2, it's more like Project Gotham tbh.

Is it just this way in Prologue or is this how all GrandTurismo's have been?

Forza

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imho trackmania nations forever is the most realistic driving sim...w0lfbreeder

Forza

GT

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="Cole-Protocal"]

[QUOTE="EuropeGangsta"]GT5 has a lot more realistic graphics, more realistic except damage but damage isn't fun.Eternal_Sleeper

cow admits GT isnt as realistic as Forza confirmed!

damage = realism. nice self ownage buddy

he said more realistic EXCEPT damage.

a.k.a. he thinks the lack of damage is unrealistic.

Are you honestly that desperate for ownages?

Well since there hasn't been a 'next gen' GT yet, while there has a been a 'next gen' Forza I think it's a bit unfair to compare to the two until GT:5 comes out, not just GT:5P cos it's only a tech demo not a full/finished game.St_muscat

That tech demo was $40.00 and reviewed just like a full game - I mean heck, cows would get all upset if someone was to refer to GT5P as a demo and now you say Tech Demo - That kind of thing could get you stampeded. :lol:

[QUOTE="kingman03"][QUOTE="speedsix"]

Real race drivers use it to learn tracks, brilliant:lol:

speedsix

Don't believe me. Look it up for yourself. It's true.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/01/07/real-race-car-drivers-use-gran-turismo-to-train/

http://www.gamer.tm/news.php?id=1919

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/05/gran_turismo_racing_academy_announced-2.html

Firstly, those articles are nothing more than advertisements. Secondly, they just say something like 'Real race drivers use GT' Proof? Which race drivers? Thirdly it simply says they use it as a 'virtual tour' i.e to learn the track layout and then says 'It probably helps with general driving knowledge and skills, too. Don't quote us on that, though.' This has absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of the physics.

If he provided you with proof of wich driver uses it you would simply say he ways paid to say that.

Why don't you gives us some links where they say Forza as better sim physics?

[QUOTE="speedsix"][QUOTE="kingman03"]

Don't believe me. Look it up for yourself. It's true.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/01/07/real-race-car-drivers-use-gran-turismo-to-train/

http://www.gamer.tm/news.php?id=1919

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/05/gran_turismo_racing_academy_announced-2.html

MasterY_28

Firstly, those articles are nothing more than advertisements. Secondly, they just say something like 'Real race drivers use GT' Proof? Which race drivers? Thirdly it simply says they use it as a 'virtual tour' i.e to learn the track layout and then says 'It probably helps with general driving knowledge and skills, too. Don't quote us on that, though.' This has absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of the physics.

If he provided you with proof of wich driver uses it you would simply say he ways paid to say that.

Why don't you gives us some links where they say Forza as better sim physics?

More realistic??

Take a look at these GT5 vs Real life pics, it's really hard to pick out which one is actually GT5

Now look at Forza 2

Uhhhh, gosh Forza 2 is so much more realistic!!

Just picked up a PS3 and GTP and I can't beleive the graphics, they're fantastic. However the gameplay even with all assists off and professional physics is much more forgiving than what i'm used to in FOrza 2, it's more like Project Gotham tbh.

Is it just this way in Prologue or is this how all GrandTurismo's have been?

toelessfoot

I don't know since I haven't played either. All I know is that 9 time out of 10, the phrase "common knowledge" makes me cringe and shed a tear for hummanity.

Common knowledge, more often than not, is neither.