Is Naughty Dog....

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[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"]you know not what you speak of lol Crash Bandicoot was AWESOME back in the day. It's a bonafied classic And Jak and Daxter is one of the most loved video game series of all time These weren't just good games here. These were awesome games for their timegameplaycontrol

K. You enjoyed there games. Let's look at there scores on MC.

Crash:75 Metacritic

Crash 2:87

Crash 3:91

Crash Racing :88

Jak:90

Jak2:87

Jak3:84

Jakracing:76

Uncharted1:88

Uncharted2:96

So, 1 AAAA, 2 AAA, 5 AA, And an A makes Naught dog with the likes of Valve?

Valve

Half Life 1:96

Half Life 2:96

TF2:92

L4D:89

Portal:90

L4D2:89

Portal2:95

Day of Defeat Source :81

So, 3 AAAA, 2 AAA and3 AA?

Naught Dog is nowhere close to Valve. Or Blizzard. Or even Rockstar.

Valve has 5 games above 90. ND has 3.

And I didn't even count Half Life episodes or Counter Strike games.

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[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"] No many many have. gameplaycontrol

And many many many more have enjoyed Blizzard Valve and Rockstar games.

It's proof that Valve Blizzard and Ninty are way ahead of Naughty Dog. Saying ND is up with those guys, or even close for that matter, is laughable.

I think Naughty Dog has more artistic integrity than any of those developers. And no way does Bioware deserve to be considered among their ranks.

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"]I understood that point of view before you even mentioned it. And its not something that im arguing I totally agreed with your last post. Valve and blizzard have the long storied history. They've had the experience. They've achieved things beyond making games over the years. P.s you never know 10 years from now people could be looking back on ND and saying some of the same things . As of right now their track record has been nothing short of amazing and is spotlessLucianu

Naughty Dog is pretty old themselfs, i guess if they continue they'll be one of the GOATs. Now that i think about it their track record on all platforms have extreme similarities. Look at their trilogyes on all platforms.

1 one in the series - good, but not that great

2 one in the series - pretty damn incredible

3 one in the series - magnificience.

I can't speak for the PS2 era, but that's the case for the PS1 & PS3 era.

for me, Naughty Dog is up there, and the ones who shouldn't be there are Valve and Rockstar.

Valve, because they only made what, Halflife and Halflife 2? all the other works are not Valve's idea, and were formed even before Valve hired them. Left 4 Dead did not start with Valve, so was Counter Strike, so was Team Fortress, so was Portal, etc. it's true that Valve later hired the devs/modders/students, but then again the "idea" of those games were made by other people. i just hate it when people say Counter Strike was made by Valve. they did not. some 3 modders just made a game out of the Quake engine of Half Life. same with Team Fortress. same with Ricochet. Left 4 Dead devs were purchased by Valve right after they conceived the idea of Left 4 Dead. Portal was originally a project by some students. so was Days of Defeat. so was Alien Swarm. the list goes on and on...

Rockstar, has only made a few good games, which are GTA1, 2, GTA3 (the best GTA IMO), Vice City and San Andreas and their PSP counterparts. apart from those games, Midnight Club, Bully, GTA4, Red Dead Redemp, are not exactly what i'd call top quality games because some of them are just boring, repetitive, bland.

i still hold Bioware on a much higher pedestal because seriously, theyve only made a couple of not-so-great games like Dragon Age 2. but their past games have been brilliant.

Yes i would.

Come at me bros :P

for me, Naughty Dog is up there, and the ones who shouldn't be there are Valve and Rockstar.

Valve, because they only made what, Halflife and Halflife 2? all the other works are not Valve's idea, and were formed even before Valve hired them. Left 4 Dead did not start with Valve, so was Counter Strike, so was Team Fortress, so was Portal, etc. it's true that Valve later hired the devs/modders/students, but then again the "idea" of those games were made by other people.

Rockstar, has only made a few good games, which are GTA1, 2, GTA3 (the best GTA IMO), Vice City and San Andreas and their PSP counterparts. apart from those games, Midnight Club, Bully, GTA4, Red Dead Redemp, are not exactly what i'd call top quality games because some of them are just boring, repetitive, bland.

i still hold Bioware on a much higher pedestal because seriously, theyve only made a couple of not-so-great games like Dragon Age 2. but their past games have been brilliant.

rumbalumba

Why is Naught Dog even up there? Uncharted series, Jak series, and Crash series suck.

See, when it comes to the big dogs, there is no "in my opinion" Valve is up there for making /publishing Many AAA AAAA Games plus Steam and Source.

What has Naught Dog done :?

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

And many many many more have enjoyed Blizzard Valve and Rockstar games.

FoolwithaLancer

It's proof that Valve Blizzard and Ninty are way ahead of Naughty Dog. Saying ND is up with those guys, or even close for that matter, is laughable.

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[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"] And what's your point? And to say many more? You simply wouldn't know thatgameplaycontrol

It's proof that Valve Blizzard and Ninty are way ahead of Naughty Dog. Saying ND is up with those guys, or even close for that matter, is laughable.

Expand my "Narrow Mind" Why should Naught Dog be put up with the likes of Valve Blizzard and Ninty? :?

Your not comprehending my point. Naughty Dog has created and crafted some truly excellent series and games that are easily up to par if not exceed the "Nintendo quality" They just don't have the 20+ year history of Nintendo or the 20+ years of franchises and knowledge that Nintendo has gathered. Experience is also huge. Plus Ninentdo has a bunch of studios working under it. A fair comparison would actually be like Sony first parties vs Nintendo. (Btw i think both are incredible and im a huge fan of both Sony and Nintendo)gameplaycontrol

Why is Naught Dog even up there? Uncharted series, Jak series, and Crash series suck.

See, when it comes to the big dogs, there is no "in my opinion" Valve is up there for making /publishing Many AAA AAAA Games plus Steam and Source.

What has Naught Dog done :?

FoolwithaLancer

yeah, what has Valve done by hiring people who already had the basic concepts of a game (setting, story, gameplay, mechanics) and they slapping a Valve logo when the game ships?

i wouldve considered Valve one of the top if not for those things. it's like the film "The Departed". they bought the script of "Infernal Affairs" (very popular in Asia but not here), slapped the movie with DiCarpio and Nicholson and voila! Scorcese's first ever directoral Oscars win and he got all the credit. BS. meanwhile the original film did not even win an award outside Hong Kong.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

Why is Naught Dog even up there? Uncharted series, Jak series, and Crash series suck.

See, when it comes to the big dogs, there is no "in my opinion" Valve is up there for making /publishing Many AAA AAAA Games plus Steam and Source.

What has Naught Dog done :?

rumbalumba

yeah, what has Valve done by hiring people who already had the basic concepts of a game (setting, story, gameplay, mechanics) and they slapping a Valve logo when the game ships?

i wouldve considered Valve one of the top if not for those things. it's like the film "The Departed". they bought the script of "Infernal Affairs" (very popular in Asia but not here), slapped the movie with DiCarpio and Nicholson and voila! Scorcese's first ever directoral Oscars win and he got all the credit. BS. meanwhile the original film did not even win an award outside Hong Kong.

They still made the games possible. Who cares how they did it? :?

Now answer my question, what exactly has ND done to be with the likes of Valve Blizz or Ninty?

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"] Your not comprehending my point. Naughty Dog has created and crafted some truly excellent series and games that are easily up to par if not exceed the "Nintendo quality" They just don't have the 20+ year history of Nintendo or the 20+ years of franchises and knowledge that Nintendo has gathered. Experience is also huge. Plus Ninentdo has a bunch of studios working under it. A fair comparison would actually be like Sony first parties vs Nintendo. (Btw i think both are incredible and im a huge fan of both Sony and Nintendo)Jesus_on_fire

Valve: Yes (not that it means much).

Blizzard: Yes.

BioWare: No, because BioWare only makes one good game these days (Mass Effect).

Rockstar: No.

IronBass

Corrected it for you. Youre welcome.

edit: Bullfrog was up there too before Molyneux left them.

They are great devs, at the level of Epic, but not at Bioware or Rockstar´s level yet.

Corrected it for you. Youre welcome.

edit: Bullfrog was up there too before Molyneux left them.

BlbecekBobecek

Nah, I like my original post more.

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[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

Why is Naught Dog even up there? Uncharted series, Jak series, and Crash series suck.

See, when it comes to the big dogs, there is no "in my opinion" Valve is up there for making /publishing Many AAA AAAA Games plus Steam and Source.

What has Naught Dog done :?

FoolwithaLancer

yeah, what has Valve done by hiring people who already had the basic concepts of a game (setting, story, gameplay, mechanics) and they slapping a Valve logo when the game ships?

i wouldve considered Valve one of the top if not for those things. it's like the film "The Departed". they bought the script of "Infernal Affairs" (very popular in Asia but not here), slapped the movie with DiCarpio and Nicholson and voila! Scorcese's first ever directoral Oscars win and he got all the credit. BS. meanwhile the original film did not even win an award outside Hong Kong.

They still made the games possible. Who cares how they did it? :?

Now answer my question, what exactly has ND done to be with the likes of Valve Blizz or Ninty?

uhhh...ND is a success story. in Way of the Warrior, (1994, 3DO), it was going bankrupt that they had themselves and their friends be the characters in the fighting game. but then a year later, PS1 launched and a year after that, in a last bet they released Crash Bandicoot which went on to become the face of the PS1, the first-ever non-Japanese game to sell 500,000+ units in Japan, sold over 6 million+ worldwide.

also, the Crash series are a critical hit among reviewers and gaming magazines. so was the Jak series. and so is the Uncharted series.

the most important part is that, unlike Valve, Naughty Dog's core team conceived the idea of Crash, Jak, and Nathan Drake. not only did they not outsource anything, they pretty much made the game themselves from start to finish.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

yeah, what has Valve done by hiring people who already had the basic concepts of a game (setting, story, gameplay, mechanics) and they slapping a Valve logo when the game ships?

i wouldve considered Valve one of the top if not for those things. it's like the film "The Departed". they bought the script of "Infernal Affairs" (very popular in Asia but not here), slapped the movie with DiCarpio and Nicholson and voila! Scorcese's first ever directoral Oscars win and he got all the credit. BS. meanwhile the original film did not even win an award outside Hong Kong.

rumbalumba

They still made the games possible. Who cares how they did it? :?

Now answer my question, what exactly has ND done to be with the likes of Valve Blizz or Ninty?

uhhh...ND is a success story. in Way of the Warrior, (1994, 3DO), it was going bankrupt that they had themselves and their friends be the characters in the fighting game. but then a year later, PS1 launched and a year after that, in a last bet they released Crash Bandicoot which went on to become the face of the PS1, the first-ever non-Japanese game to sell 500,000+ units in Japan, sold over 6 million+ worldwide.

also, the Crash series are a critical hit among reviewers and gaming magazines. so was the Jak series. and so is the Uncharted series.

the most important part is that, unlike Valve, Naughty Dog's core team conceived the idea of Crash, Jak, and Nathan Drake. not only did they not outsource anything, they pretty much made the game themselves from start to finish.

So, because they stopped themselves from going bankrupt by getting there **** together, and they made 3 series, while Valve although not always coming up with them has made the games possible, ND is better :?

They are great devs, at the level of Epic, but not at Bioware or Rockstar´s level yet.

PAL360

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They are great devs, at the level of Epic, but not at Bioware or Rockstar´s level yet.

gameplaycontrol

Epic has released more games this gen than ND. :?

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[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

They still made the games possible. Who cares how they did it? :?

Now answer my question, what exactly has ND done to be with the likes of Valve Blizz or Ninty?

gameplaycontrol

uhhh...ND is a success story. in Way of the Warrior, (1994, 3DO), it was going bankrupt that they had themselves and their friends be the characters in the fighting game. but then a year later, PS1 launched and a year after that, in a last bet they released Crash Bandicoot which went on to become the face of the PS1, the first-ever non-Japanese game to sell 500,000+ units in Japan, sold over 6 million+ worldwide.

also, the Crash series are a critical hit among reviewers and gaming magazines. so was the Jak series. and so is the Uncharted series.

the most important part is that, unlike Valve, Naughty Dog's core team conceived the idea of Crash, Jak, and Nathan Drake. not only did they not outsource anything, they pretty much made the game themselves from start to finish.

Umm, how did I get "destroyed" :?

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

uhhh...ND is a success story. in Way of the Warrior, (1994, 3DO), it was going bankrupt that they had themselves and their friends be the characters in the fighting game. but then a year later, PS1 launched and a year after that, in a last bet they released Crash Bandicoot which went on to become the face of the PS1, the first-ever non-Japanese game to sell 500,000+ units in Japan, sold over 6 million+ worldwide.

also, the Crash series are a critical hit among reviewers and gaming magazines. so was the Jak series. and so is the Uncharted series.

the most important part is that, unlike Valve, Naughty Dog's core team conceived the idea of Crash, Jak, and Nathan Drake. not only did they not outsource anything, they pretty much made the game themselves from start to finish.

FoolwithaLancer

Umm, how did I get "destroyed" :?

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[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"] This is an amazing post! *starts slow clap* Foolwithlancer, You pretty much got destroyed in this debate. gameplaycontrol

Umm, how did I get "destroyed" :?

K. Answer my question. How did I get destroyed?

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

uhhh...ND is a success story. in Way of the Warrior, (1994, 3DO), it was going bankrupt that they had themselves and their friends be the characters in the fighting game. but then a year later, PS1 launched and a year after that, in a last bet they released Crash Bandicoot which went on to become the face of the PS1, the first-ever non-Japanese game to sell 500,000+ units in Japan, sold over 6 million+ worldwide.

also, the Crash series are a critical hit among reviewers and gaming magazines. so was the Jak series. and so is the Uncharted series.

the most important part is that, unlike Valve, Naughty Dog's core team conceived the idea of Crash, Jak, and Nathan Drake. not only did they not outsource anything, they pretty much made the game themselves from start to finish.

FoolwithaLancer

So, because they stopped themselves from going bankrupt by getting there **** together, and they made 3 series, while Valve although not always coming up with them has made the games possible, ND is better :?

ND is better because you see how they evolved as a developer. Valve, on the other hand, just made one great game called Half Life and it spawned ideas and mods like Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. so in a sense, Valve has technically conceived, what, one series called Half-Life? and the others are from people outside Valve. but then when these games come out, Valve takes all the credit? i doubt people who mention how great Valve is do not even know that these games came from mods. all they see is that Valve logo in the box, which is totally sad and pathetic.

the thing is that, had Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. not become popular among the PC crowd, would Valve have hired the guys? doubt so. in fact, everyone practically played Counter Strike much much more than the Half Life MP. and that's why Gabe will never be like Shigeru Miyamoto, because Miyamoto can create games and not just hire people who can. id even say that David Jaffe can create more and better games than Gabe.

again, we are judging ND and Valve as a developer a.k.a. a team that creates games. not publish. i won't consider Valve as a great until i literally see a game that originally came from Valve, not some modders or students. they have a bigger team than ND yet they can't even create an original idea for a game? seriously>

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

uhhh...ND is a success story. in Way of the Warrior, (1994, 3DO), it was going bankrupt that they had themselves and their friends be the characters in the fighting game. but then a year later, PS1 launched and a year after that, in a last bet they released Crash Bandicoot which went on to become the face of the PS1, the first-ever non-Japanese game to sell 500,000+ units in Japan, sold over 6 million+ worldwide.

also, the Crash series are a critical hit among reviewers and gaming magazines. so was the Jak series. and so is the Uncharted series.

the most important part is that, unlike Valve, Naughty Dog's core team conceived the idea of Crash, Jak, and Nathan Drake. not only did they not outsource anything, they pretty much made the game themselves from start to finish.

rumbalumba

So, because they stopped themselves from going bankrupt by getting there **** together, and they made 3 series, while Valve although not always coming up with them has made the games possible, ND is better :?

ND is better because you see how they evolved as a developer. Valve, on the other hand, just made one great game called Half Life and it spawned ideas and mods like Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. so in a sense, Valve has technically conceived, what, one series called Half-Life? and the others are from people outside Valve. but then when these games come out, Valve takes all the credit? i doubt people who mention how great Valve is do not even know that these games came from mods. all they see is that Valve logo in the box, which is totally sad and pathetic.

the thing is that, had Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. not become popular among the PC crowd, would Valve have hired the guys? doubt so. in fact, everyone practically played Counter Strike much much more than the Half Life MP. and that's why Gabe will never be like Shigeru Miyamoto, because Miyamoto can create games and not just hire people who can. id even say that David Jaffe can create more and better games than Gabe.

again, we are judging ND and Valve as a developer a.k.a. a team that creates games. not publish. i won't consider Valve as a great until i literally see a game that originally came from Valve, not some modders or students. they have a bigger team than ND yet they can't even create an original idea for a game? seriously>

K, so because Not all Valves ideas are theres Naughty Dog can be held to there regard? So.... Can we include Turn 10 as good as ND as well?

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"][QUOTE="rumbalumba"]uhhh...ND is a success story. in Way of the Warrior, (1994, 3DO), it was going bankrupt that they had themselves and their friends be the characters in the fighting game. but then a year later, PS1 launched and a year after that, in a last bet they released Crash Bandicoot which went on to become the face of the PS1, the first-ever non-Japanese game to sell 500,000+ units in Japan, sold over 6 million+ worldwide.also, the Crash series are a critical hit among reviewers and gaming magazines. so was the Jak series. and so is the Uncharted series.the most important part is that, unlike Valve, Naughty Dog's core team conceived the idea of Crash, Jak, and Nathan Drake. not only did they not outsource anything, they pretty much made the game themselves from start to finish.rumbalumba

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"][QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"]So, because they stopped themselves from going bankrupt by getting there **** together, and they made 3 series, while Valve although not always coming up with them has made the games possible, ND is better :?gameplaycontrol

This is why..... what?

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]ND is better because you see how they evolved as a developer. Valve, on the other hand, just made one great game called Half Life and it spawned ideas and mods like Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. so in a sense, Valve has technically conceived, what, one series called Half-Life? and the others are from people outside Valve. but then when these games come out, Valve takes all the credit? i doubt people who mention how great Valve is do not even know that these games came from mods. all they see is that Valve logo in the box, which is totally sad and pathetic.the thing is that, had Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. not become popular among the PC crowd, would Valve have hired the guys? doubt so. in fact, everyone practically played Counter Strike much much more than the Half Life MP. and that's why Gabe will never be like Shigeru Miyamoto, because Miyamoto can create games and not just hire people who can. id even say that David Jaffe can create more and better games than Gabe.again, we are judging ND and Valve as a developer a.k.a. a team that creates games. not publish. i won't consider Valve as a great until i literally see a game that originally came from Valve, not some modders or students. they have a bigger team than ND yet they can't even create an original idea for a game? seriouslyFoolwithaLancer

This is why..... ?

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

So, because they stopped themselves from going bankrupt by getting there **** together, and they made 3 series, while Valve although not always coming up with them has made the games possible, ND is better :?

FoolwithaLancer

ND is better because you see how they evolved as a developer. Valve, on the other hand, just made one great game called Half Life and it spawned ideas and mods like Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. so in a sense, Valve has technically conceived, what, one series called Half-Life? and the others are from people outside Valve. but then when these games come out, Valve takes all the credit? i doubt people who mention how great Valve is do not even know that these games came from mods. all they see is that Valve logo in the box, which is totally sad and pathetic.

the thing is that, had Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. not become popular among the PC crowd, would Valve have hired the guys? doubt so. in fact, everyone practically played Counter Strike much much more than the Half Life MP. and that's why Gabe will never be like Shigeru Miyamoto, because Miyamoto can create games and not just hire people who can. id even say that David Jaffe can create more and better games than Gabe.

again, we are judging ND and Valve as a developer a.k.a. a team that creates games. not publish. i won't consider Valve as a great until i literally see a game that originally came from Valve, not some modders or students. they have a bigger team than ND yet they can't even create an original idea for a game? seriously>

K, so because Not all Valves ideas are theres Naughty Dog can be held to there regard? So.... Can we include Turn 10 as good as ND as well?

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"]gameplaycontrol

This is why..... ?

Nowhere In that post did I see me getting destroyed. Just his opinion on why Valve shouldn't be considered a good Dev.

K, so because Not all Valves ideas are theres Naughty Dog can be held to there regard? So.... Can we include Turn 10 as good as ND as well?

FoolwithaLancer

T10 has only made 3 games so far. but Naughty dog has made great games for 3 generations. there's a difference, you know. you can't even compare Forza to Crash, Jak, and Uncharted. seriously.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

ND is better because you see how they evolved as a developer. Valve, on the other hand, just made one great game called Half Life and it spawned ideas and mods like Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. so in a sense, Valve has technically conceived, what, one series called Half-Life? and the others are from people outside Valve. but then when these games come out, Valve takes all the credit? i doubt people who mention how great Valve is do not even know that these games came from mods. all they see is that Valve logo in the box, which is totally sad and pathetic.

the thing is that, had Counter Strike, Team Fortress, etc. not become popular among the PC crowd, would Valve have hired the guys? doubt so. in fact, everyone practically played Counter Strike much much more than the Half Life MP. and that's why Gabe will never be like Shigeru Miyamoto, because Miyamoto can create games and not just hire people who can. id even say that David Jaffe can create more and better games than Gabe.

again, we are judging ND and Valve as a developer a.k.a. a team that creates games. not publish. i won't consider Valve as a great until i literally see a game that originally came from Valve, not some modders or students. they have a bigger team than ND yet they can't even create an original idea for a game? seriously>

gameplaycontrol

K, so because Not all Valves ideas are theres Naughty Dog can be held to there regard? So.... Can we include Turn 10 as good as ND as well?

He's saying ND should be held to a higher standard because they come up with the games themselves. Turn 10 came up with Forza themselves. ;)
)

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

K, so because Not all Valves ideas are theres Naughty Dog can be held to there regard? So.... Can we include Turn 10 as good as ND as well?

rumbalumba

T10 has only made 3 games so far. but Naughty dog has made great games for 3 generations. there's a difference, you know. you can't even compare Forza to Crash, Jak, and Uncharted. seriously.

K, so Rare and Lionhead than?

And why can't I compare Turn 10 to ND :?

Nowhere In that post did I see me getting destroyed. Just his opinion on why Valve shouldn't be considered a good Dev.

FoolwithaLancer

they're good devs, but not as good as people like you make it up to be. Creating a game out of nothing =/= hiring people who created the very concept of a game and slapping your logo on the box so you can say you made it.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

Nowhere In that post did I see me getting destroyed. Just his opinion on why Valve shouldn't be considered a good Dev.

rumbalumba

they're good devs, but not as good as people like you make it up to be. Creating a game out of nothing =/= hiring people who created the very concept of a game and slapping your logo on the box so you can say you made it.

They created Steam and Source. That alone makes them light years ahead of ND ;)

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K, so because Not all Valves ideas are theres Naughty Dog can be held to there regard? So.... Can we include Turn 10 as good as ND as well?

FoolwithaLancer

T10 has only made 3 games so far. but Naughty dog has made great games for 3 generations. there's a difference, you know. you can't even compare Forza to Crash, Jak, and Uncharted. seriously.

K, so Rare and Lionhead than?

And why can't I compare Turn 10 to ND :?

LOL @ Lionhead. is that supposed to be a joke? Fable 2 and 3 sucked. Fable 1 was not even great, it was just okay. Black and White was probably the only great game they made.

also, Rare. are they great? no. werethey great? hell yeah.

you know, shouldn't it be the other way around, just like ND? you start with crappy games and you set out on your journey to become creators of great games? Rare seems to do the other way around, which is just funny and sad at the same time. and yes, MS destroyed Rare.

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]K, so because Not all Valves ideas are theres Naughty Dog can be held to there regard? So.... Can we include Turn 10 as good as ND as well?FoolwithaLancer

Is Naughty Dog a developer up there with developers like Valve, Blizzard, Bioware, and Rockstar? I mean I really enjoyed Uncharted 2 which I played again, (more then SC2 because it felt like an extremely ploished version of SC). Also checked gamerankings, Uc 2 being the 6th highest rated game of all time, followed by I believe the Orange Box by valve. The difference I believe Between ND and and above mentioned developers is that they in some way, shape or form contrubted to the gaming industry... thoughts?dracolich55

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T10 has only made 3 games so far. but Naughty dog has made great games for 3 generations. there's a difference, you know. you can't even compare Forza to Crash, Jak, and Uncharted. seriously.

rumbalumba

K, so Rare and Lionhead than?

And why can't I compare Turn 10 to ND :?

LOL @ Lionhead. is that supposed to be a joke? Fable 2 and 3 sucked. Fable 1 was not even great, it was just okay. Black and White was probably the only great game they made.

also, Rare. are they great? no. werethey great? hell yeah.

you know, shouldn't it be the other way around, just like ND? you start with crappy games and you set out on your journey to become creators of great games? Rare seems to do the other way around, which is just funny and sad at the same time. and yes, MS destroyed Rare.

LOL @ Naughty Dog. Is that supposed to be a joke? Crash and Jak suck. Uncharted was not even great.

See, it works both ways buddy. ;)

They created Steam and Source. That alone makes them light years ahead of ND ;)

FoolwithaLancer

and so Epic is also great because they made Unreal Engine, which spawned Batman, Mirror's Edge, etc.? oh please. again, we're judging them through the games that they made, not the codes that they wrote for other people to use. Steam is nice and all, but it's just a service. so should i say Sony's ICE team is a great dev team because they enabled ND and Santa Monica to use MLAA, offloading all the crap to the SPUs, etc.? no.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"][QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"] oh god no lol and what are you even talking about?gameplaycontrol

Prepare to be destroyed.

You argue that Naught Dog is a great dev cause they constantly get better?

Let's take a look at the Forza titles scores

1:9.0

2.9.2

3.9.5

Constantly better ;)

And Forza is a poor mans GT5?

Gran Turismo:8

Laughable claim you got there.

/Discussion.

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

K, so because Not all Valves ideas are theres Naughty Dog can be held to there regard? So.... Can we include Turn 10 as good as ND as well?

FoolwithaLancer

T10 has only made 3 games so far. but Naughty dog has made great games for 3 generations. there's a difference, you know. you can't even compare Forza to Crash, Jak, and Uncharted. seriously.

K, so Rare and Lionhead than?

And why can't I compare Turn 10 to ND :?

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

LOL @ Lionhead. is that supposed to be a joke? Fable 2 and 3 sucked. Fable 1 was not even great, it was just okay. Black and White was probably the only great game they made.

also, Rare. are they great? no. werethey great? hell yeah.

you know, shouldn't it be the other way around, just like ND? you start with crappy games and you set out on your journey to become creators of great games? Rare seems to do the other way around, which is just funny and sad at the same time. and yes, MS destroyed Rare.

FoolwithaLancer

LOL @ Naughty Dog. Is that supposed to be a joke? Crash and Jak suck. Uncharted was not even great.

See, it works both ways buddy. ;)

yawn, except that even Fable buyers admit that Fables 2 and 3 sucked. did you ever see the words "Fable 2, 3" and "one of the greatest games on the platform" in the same sentence? no and never. too bad Crash, Jak, and Uncharted are games that define their platforms and that fact is recognized not just by Sony owners but all gamers as well.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

T10 has only made 3 games so far. but Naughty dog has made great games for 3 generations. there's a difference, you know. you can't even compare Forza to Crash, Jak, and Uncharted. seriously.

gameplaycontrol

K, so Rare and Lionhead than?

And why can't I compare Turn 10 to ND :?

No, I'm doing it cause I know you're a Sony Fanboy who has double standards.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

LOL @ Lionhead. is that supposed to be a joke? Fable 2 and 3 sucked. Fable 1 was not even great, it was just okay. Black and White was probably the only great game they made.

also, Rare. are they great? no. werethey great? hell yeah.

you know, shouldn't it be the other way around, just like ND? you start with crappy games and you set out on your journey to become creators of great games? Rare seems to do the other way around, which is just funny and sad at the same time. and yes, MS destroyed Rare.

rumbalumba

LOL @ Naughty Dog. Is that supposed to be a joke? Crash and Jak suck. Uncharted was not even great.

See, it works both ways buddy. ;)

yawn, except that even Fable buyers admit that Fables 2 and 3 sucked. did you ever see the words "Fable 2, 3" and "one of the greatest games on the platform" in the same sentence? no and never. too bad Crash, Jak, and Uncharted are games that define their platforms and that fact is recognized not just by Sony owners but all gamers as well.

So, your opinion that Fable sucks is true because, others agree? My friend doesn't like the Uncharted series, I guess that means That sucks as well?

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"][QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]He's saying ND should be held to a higher standard because they come up with the games themselves. Turn 10 came up with Forza themselves. ;)FoolwithaLancer

Prepare to be destroyed.

You argue that Naught Dog is a great dev cause they constantly get better?

Let's take a look at the Forza titles scores

1:9.0

2.9.2

3.9.5

Constantly better ;)

And Forza is a poor mans GT5?

Gran Turismo:8

Laughable claim you got there.

/Discussion.

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="gameplaycontrol"] Haha a racing game and at that what was a poor man's version of Gran Turismo at the time. Even the Crash and Jak and Daxter racing games>>>>>Forza in terms of fun You can't be serious here.gameplaycontrol

Prepare to be destroyed.

You argue that Naught Dog is a great dev cause they constantly get better?

Let's take a look at the Forza titles scores

1:9.0

2.9.2

3.9.5

Constantly better ;)

And Forza is a poor mans GT5?

Gran Turismo:8

Laughable claim you got there.

/Discussion.

K, seeing as you are probably the most blind PS3 fanboy who keeps changing the sunject and denying anything opposed to him I'm about done with this.

Forza 3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All GTs combined ;)

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

They are great devs, at the level of Epic, but not at Bioware or Rockstar´s level yet.

gameplaycontrol

That was actually a compliment! Epic is one of the best devs this gen and i find ND to be just as good.