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#251 soulitane
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I don't think they are, they've made some great games but just not as good as those other devs.
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#252 -Snooze-
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]"I think this game is the best ever.'

"No, you're wrong actually. It's not even worth the top 10."

You're telling me that's not insulting?He's basically saying that you can't have a fair opinion.

TrapJak

Except I never said that. I've said several times it being overrated is MY opinion. You seem to think it's unfair of ME to have an opinion, buddy.

I said before you can have an opinion. I also said I respect it. Nowhere did I say having your opinion is wrong.

If you think that's an insult then you must have been wrapped up in cotten for the vast majority of your life

Your basically saying that I can't have an opinion since you called it overrated. Unless you use the word overrated to shorten the phrase" Don't like as much as others".

Edit: Even if i had said what you wrote, that's still not insulting.Unaccommodating perhaps, but not insulting

From a perspective, it is. ^Above for reference.

You don't seem to be getting this: Not once have I said anything about your opinion. I haven't even taken your opinion on board, because honestly, I dont care.

I said It's overrated, I think critics have praised it more then it deserves. That is MY opinion, and you're welcome to dismiss it, as opposed to taking it as a personal insult.

I'm not"basically saying" anything. I AM saying I believe a game is overrated, how you percieve that is entirely your problem asregardless of how it's put, calling a game overrated is not an insult. No more so then you claiming it's good is an insult to me.

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#253 TrapJak
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[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Except I never said that. I've said several times it being overrated is MY opinion. You seem to think it's unfair of ME to have an opinion, buddy.

I said before you can have an opinion. I also said I respect it. Nowhere did I say having your opinion is wrong.

If you think that's an insult then you must have been wrapped up in cotten for the vast majority of your life

Your basically saying that I can't have an opinion since you called it overrated. Unless you use the word overrated to shorten the phrase" Don't like as much as others".

Edit: Even if i had said what you wrote, that's still not insulting.Unaccommodating perhaps, but not insulting

From a perspective, it is. ^Above for reference.

-Snooze-

You don't seem to be getting this: Not once have I said anything about your opinion. I haven't even taken your opinion on board, because honestly, I dont care.

I said It's overrated,I think critics have praised it more then it deserves. That is MY opinion, and you're welcome to dismiss it, as opposed to taking it as a personal insult.

I'm not"basically saying" anything. I AM saying I believe a game is overrated, how you percieve that is entirely your problem asregardless of how it's put, calling a game overrated is not an insult. No more so then you claiming it's good is an insult to me.

That's the main point, how are you gonna say the game THEY believed deserved the score is wrong? That makes no sense. And stop using the word overrated, using that word while talking about opinions is hyprocrisy.

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#254 -Snooze-
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

TrapJak

You don't seem to be getting this: Not once have I said anything about your opinion. I haven't even taken your opinion on board, because honestly, I dont care.

I said It's overrated,I think critics have praised it more then it deserves. That is MY opinion, and you're welcome to dismiss it, as opposed to taking it as a personal insult.

I'm not"basically saying" anything. I AM saying I believe a game is overrated, how you percieve that is entirely your problem asregardless of how it's put, calling a game overrated is not an insult. No more so then you claiming it's good is an insult to me.

That's the main point, how are you gonna say the game THEY believed deserved the score is wrong? That makes no sense. And stop using the word overrated, using that word while talking about opinions is hyprocrisy.

I'm using the word in the exact way it's supposed to be used ... Perhaps you should this issue you have with the English language, up with someone in a position to change it.

Overrated - To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly.

I believe that the reviewers, and many gamers hold game too highly. In no way does that mean they're wrong. They're free to have an opinion, and my opinion doesn't invalidate theirs.

That is the be all and end all of my statement. It isnt a veiled insult to gamers taste, It is an expression of my own taste. Which Im quite sure many people will disregard as being " cynical" or "hating"They're free to think that, I honestly couldn't care less.

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#255 TrapJak
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[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

You don't seem to be getting this: Not once have I said anything about your opinion. I haven't even taken your opinion on board, because honestly, I dont care.

I said It's overrated,I think critics have praised it more then it deserves. That is MY opinion, and you're welcome to dismiss it, as opposed to taking it as a personal insult.

I'm not"basically saying" anything. I AM saying I believe a game is overrated, how you percieve that is entirely your problem asregardless of how it's put, calling a game overrated is not an insult. No more so then you claiming it's good is an insult to me.

-Snooze-

That's the main point, how are you gonna say the game THEY believed deserved the score is wrong? That makes no sense. And stop using the word overrated, using that word while talking about opinions is hyprocrisy.

I'm using the word in the exact way it's supposed to be used ... Perhaps you should this issue you have with the English language, up with someone in a position to change it.

Overrated - To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly.

I believe that the reviewers, and many gamers hold game too highly. In no way does that mean they're wrong. They're free to have an opinion, and my opinion doesn't invalidate theirs.

That is the be all and end all of my statement. It isnt a veiled insult to gamers taste, It is an expression of my own taste. Which Im quite sure many people will disregard as being " cynical" or "hating"They're free to think that, I honestly couldn't care less.

OK, Im beginning to get it now. It's just you expressed your comment before in a "unusually unique way". I guess my grammar Nazi kicked in.

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#256 Doolz2024
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No. 1 game doesn't suddenly make you an elite developer like those other guys.
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#257 contracts420
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I think they are one of the best developers in the world at the moment. They haven't made a bad game or dropped the ball in like 14 years. More than I can say for pretty much every other developer on the planet.

I don't enjoy the same developers most do.

My favourite developers are...

Naughty Dog
Sucker Punch
Ubisoft Montreal
Pandemic (R.I.P)

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#258 TrapJak
Member since 2011 • 2933 Posts

No. 1 game doesn't suddenly make you an elite developer like those other guys.Doolz2024
True, it just shows that you have the potential to be one.

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#259 Lethalhazard
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[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]Not really, SC2 did absolutely nothing new, unlike WC3 which was a drastic and bold step in a new direction for RTS. SC2 is literally everything SC1 could do, minus a few features for map making. SC1 is also more balanced, so I see no reason for SC2 to even be an e-sport right now. I used to be a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge Blizzard fan, but they've done nothing but disappoint since around ~'07 for me.

DarkLink77

It's not better balanced. It's hard counters vs. soft counters. Completely different thing. Though I will admit they screwed the pooch on Wrath badly. BC was pretty much perfect, though.

I loved BC. That's the last time I truly enjoyed a new Blizz product :(.
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#260 Mario1331
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they are good as hell but they only made one really ground breaking game you putting them with leagues and leagues of devs with the history nd track record to match their awesomness

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#261 KarateeeChop
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lol, naughty dog is like a one trick pony

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#262 FoolwithaLancer
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lol, naughty dog is like a one trick pony

KarateeeChop

Uncharted 2 and the whole Jak series Plus Crash 3 are well recieved.. :|

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#263 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

lol, naughty dog is like a one trick pony

FoolwithaLancer

Uncharted 2 and the whole Jak series Plus Crash 3 are well recieved.. :|

That's what the cows say at night to make themselves feel better. Uncharted and Jak were only well received because Sony bribed and hypnotized people into thinking it was good. If you close one eye, tilt your head sideways, hold the controller upside down, then close the other eye, you'll realize that the game has uncomfortable gameplay, too much black (with some red), and isn't fun to play.

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#264 spookykid143
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lol, naughty dog is like a one trick pony

KarateeeChop

How exactly?

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#265 carljohnson3456
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Yes. Naughty Dog has nothing to prove. Quality developer.
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#266 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

lol, naughty dog is like a one trick pony

spookykid143

How exactly?

Ah ya know... platformers... third person shooters... quality games. One trick pony, duh.

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#267 FoolwithaLancer
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Yes. Naughty Dog has nothing to prove. Quality developer. carljohnson3456

They're still not on par with Valve Bliizard or even Rockstar. :|

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#268 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

lol, naughty dog is like a one trick pony

XVision84

Uncharted 2 and the whole Jak series Plus Crash 3 are well recieved.. :|

That's what the cows say at night to make themselves feel better. Uncharted and Jak were only well received because Sony bribed and hypnotized people into thinking it was good. If you close one eye, tilt your head sideways, hold the controller upside down, then close the other eye, you'll realize that the game has uncomfortable gameplay, too much black (with some red), and isn't fun to play.

If that's how you played Uncharted and Jak then no wonder it wasn't comfortable and fun to play :roll: ND are good devs who made some really great games especially the PS2 and PS3 generation, and seem to be only increasing in flexibility and getting stronger.
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#269 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]Yes. Naughty Dog has nothing to prove. Quality developer. FoolwithaLancer

They're still not on par with Valve Bliizard or even Rockstar. :|

That's fine, but I disagree.
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#270 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]Not really, SC2 did absolutely nothing new, unlike WC3 which was a drastic and bold step in a new direction for RTS. SC2 is literally everything SC1 could do, minus a few features for map making. SC1 is also more balanced, so I see no reason for SC2 to even be an e-sport right now. I used to be a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge Blizzard fan, but they've done nothing but disappoint since around ~'07 for me.

Lethalhazard

It's not better balanced. It's hard counters vs. soft counters. Completely different thing. Though I will admit they screwed the pooch on Wrath badly. BC was pretty much perfect, though.

I loved BC. That's the last time I truly enjoyed a new Blizz product :(.

BC was so good. I would pay for servers that were just vanilla WoW and BC.
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#271 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="FoolwithaLancer"]

Uncharted 2 and the whole Jak series Plus Crash 3 are well recieved.. :|

JohnF111

That's what the cows say at night to make themselves feel better. Uncharted and Jak were only well received because Sony bribed and hypnotized people into thinking it was good. If you close one eye, tilt your head sideways, hold the controller upside down, then close the other eye, you'll realize that the game has uncomfortable gameplay, too much black (with some red), and isn't fun to play.

If that's how you played Uncharted and Jak then no wonder it wasn't comfortable and fun to play :roll: ND are good devs who made some really great games especially the PS2 and PS3 generation, and seem to be only increasing in flexibility and getting stronger.

It seems you took the premise of the joke seriously.

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#272 TrapJak
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="XVision84"]

That's what the cows say at night to make themselves feel better. Uncharted and Jak were only well received because Sony bribed and hypnotized people into thinking it was good. If you close one eye, tilt your head sideways, hold the controller upside down, then close the other eye, you'll realize that the game has uncomfortable gameplay, too much black (with some red), and isn't fun to play.

XVision84

If that's how you played Uncharted and Jak then no wonder it wasn't comfortable and fun to play :roll: ND are good devs who made some really great games especially the PS2 and PS3 generation, and seem to be only increasing in flexibility and getting stronger.

It seems you took the premise of the joke seriously.

No, I think he was joking as well :P.

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#273 ultraking
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Tbh, I can't believe people hold blizzard in such high regard now.. really what have they done lately?