Is Nintendo's bubble popping? They may be in big trouble.

I never said all of Nintendos games were worthless of my time or work wasnt put into them. In fact I consider Metroid prime series to be under Retro anyway, same with DKC:R, both fantastic by the way. I just think the majority of there games this gen seem slapped together on a low budget and sold full price. I do consider NSMB a port, I bet you they could get that running on the ds with mulitplayer support with multi carts, there's a reason it looks terrible on a big hd screen.

Anyway I dont think Nintendo's in trouble anyway, the've gone after a different audience and its worked for them, they could afford to do half this well next gen and still come out in the blue.

I never said all of Nintendos games were worthless of my time or work wasnt put into them. In fact I consider Metroid prime series to be under Retro anyway, same with DKC:R, both fantastic by the way. I just think the majority of there games this gen seem slapped together on a low budget and sold full price. I do consider NSMB a port, I bet you they could get that running on the ds with mulitplayer support with multi carts, there's a reason it looks terrible on a big hd screen.

Anyway I dont think Nintendo's in trouble anyway, the've gone after a different audience and its worked for them, they could afford to do half this well next gen and still come out in the blue.

sailor232

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I never said all of Nintendos games were worthless of my time or work wasnt put into them. In fact I consider Metroid prime series to be under Retro anyway, same with DKC:R, both fantastic by the way. I just think the majority of there games this gen seem slapped together on a low budget and sold full price. I do consider NSMB a port, I bet you they could get that running on the ds with mulitplayer support with multi carts, there's a reason it looks terrible on a big hd screen.

Anyway I dont think Nintendo's in trouble anyway, the've gone after a different audience and its worked for them, they could afford to do half this well next gen and still come out in the blue.

nintendoboy16

Yeah I tend to disagree. That all depends on the tv.

3DS is finally priced at a fair price. It will sell like crazy after Aug. 12th, and especially around the holidays. Nintendo will be fine.

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[QUOTE="Timstuff"]No matter what Nintendo is going to be criticized. They can't simply be expected to roll over and die if they can't make game consoles anymore, and I think they would be very competitive even as a third party developer. You might quit buying Nintendo's games if they went third party out of pride, but many people who grew up playing Nintendo games but left their systems would start buying their games again so it's kind of a moot effect.DJ-Lafleur

I'm pretty sure Sonic gets far more hate than Nintendo ever does.

I mean, if there was a "do you like Sonic thread" anywhere, there would be many people who would say how crappy Sonic has gotten, with very few people defending it.

Have a "do you like Nintendo thread", I'm sure around half the people in it would be okay with them atleast, depending on the forum, I suppose.

Another thread about how much trouble Nintendo is in huh? They're gonna be fine.

their fine, 3ds will pick up with the sales. everyone seems to think nintendo is going to end up like sega nowadays.

lostfan132

I foresaw this back in 2006 when they released their Wii. They've lost their hardcore audience (including me) and they won't return anymore.

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their fine, 3ds will pick up with the sales. everyone seems to think nintendo is going to end up like sega nowadays.

XanderZane

I'm not taking sides, but Eurogamer put up an interesting article. With the success of the Wii, how exactly is all this happening?

You know, it almost seems like this excites you.

hakanakumono

Cripes, how many "Nintendo is doomed" threads are we going to have? They'll be fine, it's a small misfire.

nintendoboy16

Shhh. This is the cynical gaming era, where everything is cynical and everything that does not do as excepted no mater in what time frame is doomed to something or another and every game needs to be dark, gritty and depressing. Nintendo is fine, smartphones will not kill handheld gaming devices and Sony's Vita will be successful as well.

Im glad, because I dont like the direction Nintendo has been heading in since the Wii launch.RR360DD

You're glad because a gaming company is suffering? Why would anyone be glad that any of the console manufacturer's are suffering?

The entire industry, not just Nintendo, has been in sort of a weird spot lately. Everything has been so stagnant and the market has changed since 2004 (Nintendo even made a point of saying "development costs are too high and the payoff might not be worth it anymore"). That's why you see so many developers flock to the iOS because it's cheaper and they can make more money off of it. That's also why you saw the Wii as what it was. Iwata stated at GDC too that they didn't want to add to the rising development costs and there's a good reason why. No one is willing to take a risk anymore with big budget titles because if it doesn't work then you're out - Pandemic, Free Radical, Factor5 - the list goes on.

All three of the manufacturer's need to put more emphasis on their downloadable shops and put more games there - It's a more flexible market for pricing their content and the scale of their content and it's something that can compete with the iOS market, while allowing the manufacturer's to produce premium content. People are still going to pay $39.99 for a Mario title, a Pokemon title, a Zelda title etc - but there needs to be a bigger emphasis on the eShop and downloadable games. In 2004 we saw games like Brainage being sold in retail - the difference now is those gams are available on the iOS and others for a cheaper price.

So all in all I don't think Nintendo's bubble is popping ... I think this is a result of the market situation being very different than it was in 2004. Frankly, I'm thinking the PS Vita will be in a similar situation, as will all the other consoles that come out next generation, including the Wii U.

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their fine, 3ds will pick up with the sales. everyone seems to think nintendo is going to end up like sega nowadays.

Heirren

I'm not taking sides, but Eurogamer put up an interesting article. With the success of the Wii, how exactly is all this happening?

I'm not trying to discredit the article or anything (though I don't really agree), but he really thinks Animal Crossing is one of the best things Nintendo has done? :? Animal Crossing sucks.

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You know, it almost seems like this excites you.

hakanakumono

It just seems like you've been pretty intense on the anti-nintendo stuff recently.

the problem with Nintendo is that they are only a 1st party gaming company. Nintendo needs to modernize its game franchises and go 3rd party, maybe not next gen but at some point they will have to. Nonstop-Madness

bubble popping? I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but in terms of Nintendo not being number one next gen, it is waaayyyy to early to tell.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]the problem with Nintendo is that they are only a 1st party gaming company. Nintendo needs to modernize its game franchises and go 3rd party, maybe not next gen but at some point they will have to. nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]the problem with Nintendo is that they are only a 1st party gaming company. Nintendo needs to modernize its game franchises and go 3rd party, maybe not next gen but at some point they will have to. Nonstop-Madness

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] And how would going third party make their franchises better? If anything, it will make not only their franchises, but Nintendo themselves (and as if their reception isn't bad enough now), so no. They are better off leaving gaming and moving on to something else.nintendoboy16

Isn't Sony in bigger trouble? You know, selling consoles under their price's worth, lagging behind in sales and stuff like that.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"] it won't make there games better but it will increase sales. Nonstop-Madness

Isn't Sony in bigger trouble? You know, selling consoles under their price's worth, lagging behind in sales and stuff like that.

nameless12345

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Isn't Sony in bigger trouble? You know, selling consoles under their price's worth, lagging behind in sales and stuff like that.

eboyishere

Maybe so but they could still start making toys or something like that if they'd fail in the gaming bussiness (not saying that'll happen).

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] I buy games if I'm interested in them, simple as that. And sometimes, I don't agree that some games get high scores or awards (Twilight Princess) as well as some hated games I actually like.

nintendoboy16

Do you decide a game did not deserve to get its good reviews before, or after you have played it? Because it seems like if you're going to say "This new Nintendo game for the PS4 and Xbox 720 has lots of good reviews, but I am not going to try it, because it's a bad game and the reviews are all wrong," then that's just being a spiteful fanboy.

Weren't you one of those who said Nintendo isn't as good as they were back then?

Nintendo needs to lose the gimmicks and get back to making new quality games.

yeah...TC is anti nintendo...no doubt from all his hate threads..including this one.

but cmon guys we got to eat ours too.. sony fanboys have been eating it all gen long with their laststation3 and now its our turn.

I look at it this way. Nintendo has no hope of recreating its success with the Wii U that it had with the Wii. Too much competition today compared to five years ago.

3DS has been also released in a market that it no longer owns.

The best years for Nintendo are over.

Going after casual gamers is a good idea, but unless you constantly have the best gimmick on the market, you get burned just as bad.

Wii sales are dwindling, 3DS sales are lackluster to say the least, and the Wii U's future looks kinda cloudy, I don't see it reaching the status of Wii.

They'll be fine.

While my Wii library is about 10 games total(small compared to my ps3/pc collection. Tied with my 360 lol) I dont want nintendo to go anywhere. I grew up with nintendo. I may not agree with the direction they have taken this gen, but its nintendo man. They better not go anywhere.

That is a name you knew you could always count on for a solid fun game, for almost 30 years straight. Nintendo is not in any real trouble, unless the Wii U barely sells and they lose third party support. Even then I dont see any doom and gloom for them.

Nintendo should go 3rd party keep their handheld and leave the home console making to people who know what they are doing.

Nintendo should go 3rd party keep their handheld and leave the home console making to people who know what they are doing.

GD1551

You really think sony and microsoft are the only ones thatknow what they are doing. All three major console manufactures know what they are doing. Ninty doesn't have to listen to your opinion if they want.They can try to appeal to as many people as they want.

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Nintendo should go 3rd party keep their handheld and leave the home console making to people who know what they are doing.

super600

You really think sony and microsoft are the only ones thatknow what they are doing. All three major console manufactures know what they are doing. Ninty doesn't have to listen to your opinion if they want.They can try to appeal to as many people as they want.

Sure they can, never said they couldn't. Hopefully the investors start thinking so as well.

Nintendo should go 3rd party keep their handheld and leave the home console making to people who know what they are doing.

GD1551

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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Nintendo should go 3rd party keep their handheld and leave the home console making to people who know what they are doing.

GD1551

You really think sony and microsoft are the only ones thatknow what they are doing. All three major console manufactures know what they are doing. Ninty doesn't have to listen to your opinion if they want.They can try to appeal to as many people as they want.

Sure they can, never said they couldn't. Hopefully the investors start thinking so as well.

The investors don't have to follow what people think on this board. Nobody on this boardare analaysts that can predict what will happen to a certain product in the future.

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Nintendo should go 3rd party keep their handheld and leave the home console making to people who know what they are doing.

Haziqonfire

But they lost alot of market share going from the Snes to GC... they just tapped a different market with teh Wii this time, but it seems they are falling out of favour with them as well, time will tell though.

According to this article, Nintendo's overall sales have been down and their stocks have been plummeting. Their former CEO and largest shareholder apparently just lost half a billion dollars from Nintendo's stock being drastically downgraded in value, and it's probably a result of the 3DS's premature price slashing. Nintendo's stock also took a noticeable dive after the announcement of Wii-U, which probably means investors have not been impressed with it.

Nintendo is still riding high on the fumes of the Wii and DS's success, but it would appear that good things don't last forever. Some people might argue that Nintendo was so eager to continue to re-capture that success next gen that they just added a 3 to the DS and a U to the Wii and thought they'd be set, and while that may be an oversimplification, I do think that represents the attitude they have towards the next batch of consoles. The 3DS is the DS trying to be Jimbo Cameron's Avatar, and the Wii-U is the Wii trying to be an iPad.

Nintendo's history is full of ups and downs, but it would be pretty shocking if after making one of the most successful consoles of all time Nintendo dipped right back into hardships. We won't know what fate has in store for the Wii-U until it releases, but given the lukewarm reaction to the 3DS I can't help but wonder if Nintendo's "blue ocean" has been fished-out.

Timstuff

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[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

Do you decide a game did not deserve to get its good reviews before, or after you have played it? Because it seems like if you're going to say "This new Nintendo game for the PS4 and Xbox 720 has lots of good reviews, but I am not going to try it, because it's a bad game and the reviews are all wrong," then that's just being a spiteful fanboy.

Timstuff

Weren't you one of those who said Nintendo isn't as good as they were back then?

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their fine, 3ds will pick up with the sales. everyone seems to think nintendo is going to end up like sega nowadays.

Timstuff

Also, at least unlike Sega, Nintendo does not have an evil Microsoft spy running the company into the dirt-- I'm looking at you, Bernie Stolar!

But they lost alot of market share going from the Snes to GC... they just tapped a different market with teh Wii this time, but it seems they are falling out of favour with them as well, time will tell though.

GD1551

Well, the handheld market is a lot different than it was in 2004.

In terms of the console market, we'll see how the Wii U does, but personally I think the whole industry is headed for a downfall.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

According to this article, Nintendo's overall sales have been down and their stocks have been plummeting. Their former CEO and largest shareholder apparently just lost half a billion dollars from Nintendo's stock being drastically downgraded in value, and it's probably a result of the 3DS's premature price slashing. Nintendo's stock also took a noticeable dive after the announcement of Wii-U, which probably means investors have not been impressed with it.

Nintendo is still riding high on the fumes of the Wii and DS's success, but it would appear that good things don't last forever. Some people might argue that Nintendo was so eager to continue to re-capture that success next gen that they just added a 3 to the DS and a U to the Wii and thought they'd be set, and while that may be an oversimplification, I do think that represents the attitude they have towards the next batch of consoles. The 3DS is the DS trying to be Jimbo Cameron's Avatar, and the Wii-U is the Wii trying to be an iPad.

Nintendo's history is full of ups and downs, but it would be pretty shocking if after making one of the most successful consoles of all time Nintendo dipped right back into hardships. We won't know what fate has in store for the Wii-U until it releases, but given the lukewarm reaction to the 3DS I can't help but wonder if Nintendo's "blue ocean" has been fished-out.

Midnightshade29

You may not like that someone can have a billion dollars, but that is how it works in free societies. You can't tell people that they are not allowed to earn over a certain amount of money, because that is putting artificial limits on how successful people can be. It' not like Yamauchi or any other billionaire is just sitting on a giant pile of gold while enjoying a constant flow of 20 year old Scotch through an I.V. drip, either. They use their money for investments, and those investments let other people get jobs so that they can find success too. Every example in history of there being rules about how rich people are allowed to be has always resulted in stifled job creation and the disappearance of the middle cIass, which is exactly what happened in the Soviet Union. It's an unsustainable economic model that can only lead to collapse. China avoided a collapse by removing their wealth limits and allowing their economy to be largely privatized, but they still have a pitiful middle cIass, and it is going to take a long time for it to recover-- if it ever does.

Nintendo is in the same position as Sony was beging of this gen with the PS3.

They just had a ****** huge console and handheld success, and their shareholders expect growth from that.(capitalism 101, grow or die)

In reality those ******** huge successes are very random, and expecting something even bigger puts Nintendo in a horrible position with their shareholders

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]And many gamers haven't disagreed with critics, or have little to no interest in some well praised games before?

Weren't you one of those who said Nintendo isn't as good as they were back then?

nintendoboy16