Is Nintendo's bubble popping? They may be in big trouble.

Nintendo is in the same position as Sony was beging of this gen with the PS3.

They just had a ****** huge console and handheld success, and their shareholders expect growth from that.(capitalism 101, grow or die)

In reality those ******** huge successes are very random, and expecting something even bigger puts Nintendo in a horrible position with their shareholders

dercoo

The big problem is that Nintendo is not in as good of a position as Sony to hold their ground during a hard time. Sony makes billions of dollars a year through all their products, patent royalties, services, component sales to other manufacturers, etc. so they could afford to endure the PS3's growing pains until it was profitable. The same goes with Microsoft, who didn't even make a profit off of the Xbox brand until after the Xbox 360 was released. These mega corps are in a much more comfortable spot to invest in game consoles that meet the high demand of todays consumers and game designers, and since Nintendo only makes games, it's difficult for them to afford the kind of R&D and manufacturing costs it takes to make a high-spec game system and sell it at a loss.

Nintendo was the best there was at making game systems in the 80s through the mid 90s, but they are really the last of their kind. It's amazing that Nintendo has managed to out-last Atari and Sony as long as they have, but I don't think it's going to last forever, and they've been feeling the hurt ever since they burned all their bridges with CD-manufacturing partners and launched the N64 with a cartridge slot instead of a disc drive. Nintendo has always been a generation behind in a lot of ways, and as much as it will pain a lot of people, I think we're eventually going to get to the point where only big electronics companies can afford to make game consoles.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

According to this article, Nintendo's overall sales have been down and their stocks have been plummeting. Their former CEO and largest shareholder apparently just lost half a billion dollars from Nintendo's stock being drastically downgraded in value, and it's probably a result of the 3DS's premature price slashing. Nintendo's stock also took a noticeable dive after the announcement of Wii-U, which probably means investors have not been impressed with it.

Nintendo is still riding high on the fumes of the Wii and DS's success, but it would appear that good things don't last forever. Some people might argue that Nintendo was so eager to continue to re-capture that success next gen that they just added a 3 to the DS and a U to the Wii and thought they'd be set, and while that may be an oversimplification, I do think that represents the attitude they have towards the next batch of consoles. The 3DS is the DS trying to be Jimbo Cameron's Avatar, and the Wii-U is the Wii trying to be an iPad.

Nintendo's history is full of ups and downs, but it would be pretty shocking if after making one of the most successful consoles of all time Nintendo dipped right back into hardships. We won't know what fate has in store for the Wii-U until it releases, but given the lukewarm reaction to the 3DS I can't help but wonder if Nintendo's "blue ocean" has been fished-out.

Midnightshade29

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]

According to this article, Nintendo's overall sales have been down and their stocks have been plummeting. Their former CEO and largest shareholder apparently just lost half a billion dollars from Nintendo's stock being drastically downgraded in value, and it's probably a result of the 3DS's premature price slashing. Nintendo's stock also took a noticeable dive after the announcement of Wii-U, which probably means investors have not been impressed with it.

Nintendo is still riding high on the fumes of the Wii and DS's success, but it would appear that good things don't last forever. Some people might argue that Nintendo was so eager to continue to re-capture that success next gen that they just added a 3 to the DS and a U to the Wii and thought they'd be set, and while that may be an oversimplification, I do think that represents the attitude they have towards the next batch of consoles. The 3DS is the DS trying to be Jimbo Cameron's Avatar, and the Wii-U is the Wii trying to be an iPad.

Nintendo's history is full of ups and downs, but it would be pretty shocking if after making one of the most successful consoles of all time Nintendo dipped right back into hardships. We won't know what fate has in store for the Wii-U until it releases, but given the lukewarm reaction to the 3DS I can't help but wonder if Nintendo's "blue ocean" has been fished-out.

Rockman999

You had best be joking. I really hope you live in a developed country and have never left it so I can atleast see why you would make such a misguided AND WRONG statement.

Anyway there is no reason why any one person on this planet should have a billion dollars to themselves. Half this world makes less then 3 dollars a day, 1 person couldn't spend a billion dollar in 100 life times.

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]

According to this article, Nintendo's overall sales have been down and their stocks have been plummeting. Their former CEO and largest shareholder apparently just lost half a billion dollars from Nintendo's stock being drastically downgraded in value, and it's probably a result of the 3DS's premature price slashing. Nintendo's stock also took a noticeable dive after the announcement of Wii-U, which probably means investors have not been impressed with it.

Nintendo is still riding high on the fumes of the Wii and DS's success, but it would appear that good things don't last forever. Some people might argue that Nintendo was so eager to continue to re-capture that success next gen that they just added a 3 to the DS and a U to the Wii and thought they'd be set, and while that may be an oversimplification, I do think that represents the attitude they have towards the next batch of consoles. The 3DS is the DS trying to be Jimbo Cameron's Avatar, and the Wii-U is the Wii trying to be an iPad.

Nintendo's history is full of ups and downs, but it would be pretty shocking if after making one of the most successful consoles of all time Nintendo dipped right back into hardships. We won't know what fate has in store for the Wii-U until it releases, but given the lukewarm reaction to the 3DS I can't help but wonder if Nintendo's "blue ocean" has been fished-out.

Timstuff

You may not like that someone can have a billion dollars, but that is how it works in free societies. You can't tell people that they are not allowed to earn over a certain amount of money, because that is putting artificial limits on how successful people can be. It' not like Yamauchi or any other billionaire is just sitting on a giant pile of gold while enjoying a constant flow of 20 year old Scotch through an I.V. drip, either. They use their money for investments, and those investments let other people get jobs so that they can find success too. Every example in history of there being rules about how rich people are allowed to be has always resulted in stifled job creation and the disappearance of the middle cIass, which is exactly what happened in the Soviet Union. It's an unsustainable economic model that can only lead to collapse. China avoided a collapse by removing their wealth limits and allowing their economy to be largely privatized, but they still have a pitiful middle cIass, and it is going to take a long time for it to recover-- if it ever does.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"] It's sickening when one man has over a billion dollars to himself, while people are starving, can't find jobs, and homes are torn a part from disasters. The fact that the average adult makes less than $35k a year, while there are rich people with billions , is just arrgh,, aggravating. I guess what I am trying to say is... i don't feel bad for him, or them.KungfuKitten

You may not like that someone can have a billion dollars, but that is how it works in free societies. You can't tell people that they are not allowed to earn over a certain amount of money, because that is putting artificial limits on how successful people can be. It' not like Yamauchi or any other billionaire is just sitting on a giant pile of gold while enjoying a constant flow of 20 year old Scotch through an I.V. drip, either. They use their money for investments, and those investments let other people get jobs so that they can find success too. Every example in history of there being rules about how rich people are allowed to be has always resulted in stifled job creation and the disappearance of the middle cIass, which is exactly what happened in the Soviet Union. It's an unsustainable economic model that can only lead to collapse. China avoided a collapse by removing their wealth limits and allowing their economy to be largely privatized, but they still have a pitiful middle cIass, and it is going to take a long time for it to recover-- if it ever does.

I'm also interested in this, I have no problem putting a limit that says 1 billion is too much for one person, one persion can only hold such and such amount of wealth in the world at one time. After a certain point, money stops being an issue for people and that is when I personally feel that if money will never be an issue for you, there is no reason for you to continue to acquire more to not use.

read this http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=157896

they are not going anywhere

So just because a company did one misstep (which still can be corrected in the future) people suddenly believe it's on the verge of dieing ?
Stay CIassy SW.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]

You may not like that someone can have a billion dollars, but that is how it works in free societies. You can't tell people that they are not allowed to earn over a certain amount of money, because that is putting artificial limits on how successful people can be. It' not like Yamauchi or any other billionaire is just sitting on a giant pile of gold while enjoying a constant flow of 20 year old Scotch through an I.V. drip, either. They use their money for investments, and those investments let other people get jobs so that they can find success too. Every example in history of there being rules about how rich people are allowed to be has always resulted in stifled job creation and the disappearance of the middle cIass, which is exactly what happened in the Soviet Union. It's an unsustainable economic model that can only lead to collapse. China avoided a collapse by removing their wealth limits and allowing their economy to be largely privatized, but they still have a pitiful middle cIass, and it is going to take a long time for it to recover-- if it ever does.

ActicEdge

I'm also interested in this, I have no problem putting a limit that says 1 billion is too much for one person, one persion can only hold such and such amount of wealth in the world at one time. After a certain point, money stops being an issue for people and that is when I personally feel that if money will never be an issue for you, there is no reason for you to continue to acquire more to not use.

I may not agree with you on video games (mostly) but I completely agree with you on the billions thing. Seriously why can't enough just be...enough?

read this http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=157896

they are not going anywhere

foxfacer2d2

:lol: I love how everybody is eagerly searching for anything about Nintendo going downhill but they conveniently ignore this articles as well.

There stock crashed

There flagship new handheld 3DS was outsold by 10 year old PSP

There Wii-U Controller could be the worst controller of all time just by looking at it

The Wii-U thinks it can play next gen games but can't even play a DVD

The Wii is losing ground to the ps3 and xbox360 in sales every month

The PSP Vita is about to completely dominate the 3ds

Sony is unleashing massive amounts of hits on its network

Microsoft is coming out with some new games

you do math sir

do you think a bubble is popping? what does it sound like to you is happening?

the PSP vita is in demand

its got insane graphics on a handheld

its got a ton of good games coming out that clobber all other hand helds in the market including iphone games

its pretty much the ultimate hand held device

you got access to hundreds of games on the playstation network from ps1 to psp to ps2 catalogue

your gonn have ti all

the 3ds is a fail

the vita is a win

if you cant see this ur blind

anyone with a psp is gonna wanna upgrade to the vita

ppl with a ds dont want to upgrade to the 3ds

ppl with a iphone can't play the same games as the vita its just a fact there never gonna get the rpg quality of the vita

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

Their success can't last forever.

Coolyfett

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]I have a feeling that god awful looking controller is going to turn many away.millerlight89

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Nintendo is in the same position as Sony was beging of this gen with the PS3.

They just had a ****** huge console and handheld success, and their shareholders expect growth from that.(capitalism 101, grow or die)

In reality those ******** huge successes are very random, and expecting something even bigger puts Nintendo in a horrible position with their shareholders

Timstuff

The big problem is that Nintendo is not in as good of a position as Sony to hold their ground during a hard time. Sony makes billions of dollars a year through all their products, patent royalties, services, component sales to other manufacturers, etc. so they could afford to endure the PS3's growing pains until it was profitable. The same goes with Microsoft, who didn't even make a profit off of the Xbox brand until after the Xbox 360 was released. These mega corps are in a much more comfortable spot to invest in game consoles that meet the high demand of todays consumers and game designers, and since Nintendo only makes games, it's difficult for them to afford the kind of R&D and manufacturing costs it takes to make a high-spec game system and sell it at a loss.

Nintendo was the best there was at making game systems in the 80s through the mid 90s, but they are really the last of their kind. It's amazing that Nintendo has managed to out-last Atari and Sony as long as they have, but I don't think it's going to last forever, and they've been feeling the hurt ever since they burned all their bridges with CD-manufacturing partners and launched the N64 with a cartridge slot instead of a disc drive. Nintendo has always been a generation behind in a lot of ways, and as much as it will pain a lot of people, I think we're eventually going to get to the point where only big electronics companies can afford to make game consoles.

i agree with this 100 percent.

read this http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=157896

they are not going anywhere

foxfacer2d2

did you not read the article.

they can still survive even if the Wii U was out because of the money made by the ds and wii

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="funsohng"] I lived through three generations of Dual Shock, I think I can easily handle Wii U controller.mariokart64fan

the PSP vita is in demand

its got insane graphics on a handheld

its got a ton of good games coming out that clobber all other hand helds in the market including iphone games

its pretty much the ultimate hand held device

you got access to hundreds of games on the playstation network from ps1 to psp to ps2 catalogue

your gonn have ti all

the 3ds is a fail

the vita is a win

if you cant see this ur blind

anyone with a psp is gonna wanna upgrade to the vita

ppl with a ds dont want to upgrade to the 3ds

ppl with a iphone can't play the same games as the vita its just a fact there never gonna get the rpg quality of the vita

ZarbonX

Looks like a whole pile of opinion right here, the only thing on this that can be agreed with 100% is that the PSV's Graphics are going to be good.

read this http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=157896

they are not going anywhere

foxfacer2d2

Too right,

The Wii was a pretty controversial console despite the consoles success, it was just a *bad* console to people because 3rd party developers were LAZY. Yeah the 3DS was released a bit too early, but that's not the only system that was starved for titles, the 360 was in the same position during it's release.

Nintendo have had bigger screw ups than what you all think will be (Wii U), the virtual boy was a disaster but Nintendo came through.

Besides, the Wii U is a currently unreleased console, and I believe it will sell loads

While it may all seem bad Nintendo will always sort things out

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="Timstuff"] It's sickening when one man has over a billion dollars to himself, while people are starving, can't find jobs, and homes are torn a part from disasters. The fact that the average adult makes less than $35k a year, while there are rich people with billions , is just arrgh,, aggravating. I guess what I am trying to say is... i don't feel bad for him, or them.ActicEdge

You may not like that someone can have a billion dollars, but that is how it works in free societies. You can't tell people that they are not allowed to earn over a certain amount of money, because that is putting artificial limits on how successful people can be. It' not like Yamauchi or any other billionaire is just sitting on a giant pile of gold while enjoying a constant flow of 20 year old Scotch through an I.V. drip, either. They use their money for investments, and those investments let other people get jobs so that they can find success too. Every example in history of there being rules about how rich people are allowed to be has always resulted in stifled job creation and the disappearance of the middle cIass, which is exactly what happened in the Soviet Union. It's an unsustainable economic model that can only lead to collapse. China avoided a collapse by removing their wealth limits and allowing their economy to be largely privatized, but they still have a pitiful middle cIass, and it is going to take a long time for it to recover-- if it ever does.