Is PC gaming all but dead?

I know I'm going to get a TON of hate for this, but in my eyes:

Console gaming is like pop music stars like Lady gaga, Kesha, Justin bieber, etc. They will always be the most popular and most played on the scene, therefore has the most profit, most listeners, etc.

PC gaming is like the Indie/underground rock/Metal of the music industry. It will never be as popular as the pop side of the music industry, but has a lot more content and occasionally a band will top the charts for a week, then go right back to being invisible to everyone else (any big release like Iron Maiden's Final Frontier for example).

Flame shield up :p

popwar1993

Actually, pretty true, except for a few rock bands, like a few video games. ;p

P.S. Rap, Hip hop, and Pops suck

This man says otherwise...

[QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]

As for this gen there has been more great games on PC than the other three combined... Based on what?

And check Metacritic and Gamerankings.... The best games of all time seem to be on consoles... (based on reviews alone as this is tangible and opinions are not)

Best selling games of all time... Console

This gen... the best PC games have almost always had a Console counterpart. While i do like Mods, once they introduce this to Consoles... theres no reason for PC anymore (for me) as i will take confort and convience over slightly better graphics any day.

ChubbyGuy40

Best selling game of all time? I'm pretty sure WoW alone is at 12 million and counting subscribers/buyers. It'll even get better now that China has allowed it access once again. Also pretty sure nothing has been more profitable than WoW.

One thing that consoles will always have over PC, platformers. I'll admit the idea of playing Mario with a keyboard and mouse would be akward at first, but probably even easier to control after awhile. Zelda on PC though would be too epic for gaming to handle imo.

Mods will never be introduced to consoles. Plus PC gets all the free DLC.

Slightly better graphics? CRYSIS/METRO 2033 PC PIX INC.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]

As for this gen there has been more great games on PC than the other three combined... Based on what?

And check Metacritic and Gamerankings.... The best games of all time seem to be on consoles... (based on reviews alone as this is tangible and opinions are not)

Best selling games of all time... Console

This gen... the best PC games have almost always had a Console counterpart. While i do like Mods, once they introduce this to Consoles... theres no reason for PC anymore (for me) as i will take confort and convience over slightly better graphics any day.

popwar1993

Best selling game of all time? I'm pretty sure WoW alone is at 12 million and counting subscribers/buyers. It'll even get better now that China has allowed it access once again. Also pretty sure nothing has been more profitable than WoW.

One thing that consoles will always have over PC, platformers. I'll admit the idea of playing Mario with a keyboard and mouse would be akward at first, but probably even easier to control after awhile. Zelda on PC though would be too epic for gaming to handle imo.

Mods will never be introduced to consoles. Plus PC gets all the free DLC.

Slightly better graphics? CRYSIS/METRO 2033 PC PIX INC.

For total sales of a series maybe. I did forget about the Wii when I made that statement, pretty sure Mario Kart still has a huge number of sales. I've always wondered when Blizzard says they have 12 million subscribers, do they really have that many at that time or just that many vanilla copies sold? If its the first then holy crap.

Best selling game of all time? I'm pretty sure WoW alone is at 12 million and counting subscribers/buyers. It'll even get better now that China has allowed it access once again. Also pretty sure nothing has been more profitable than WoW.

One thing that consoles will always have over PC, platformers. I'll admit the idea of playing Mario with a keyboard and mouse would be akward at first, but probably even easier to control after awhile. Zelda on PC though would be too epic for gaming to handle imo.

Mods will never be introduced to consoles. Plus PC gets all the free DLC.

Slightly better graphics? CRYSIS/METRO 2033 PC PIX INC.

ChubbyGuy40

When I say slightly, this is for me personally. And only for Multiplats. Its not enough for me to sacrifice the confort of my living room, and my TV.

As for best selling games of all time MW2 sold as much as WoWs 12 million in a year across the platforms.

Obviously WoW will continue to grow.... and makes more money due to subscriptions, but more people have enjoyed the crap game MW2 than a stellar MMO like WoW

Im not saying PC gaming doesnt have a place. There are a few genres PC just flat out does better, and to those who love them, thats fine by me. But there are some games that PC gets that SHOULD be on consoles.

PC gaming IS a whole different beast. I play consoles primarily cause the better games on PC ARE on consoles... or they just arent my bag. (RTS, etc..)

There are plenty of time I have chosen the PC game over the console... But not even close to as many as I have the other way around... And usually I wait till the mods scene gets big for a game and dies down abit on consoles to make that switch.

I think "Is PC gaming all but dead" was a poor topic title. I dont mean dead as in its gonna go away, or that it should. But it does seem to have taken a major back seat to console gaming.

Case in point being the only PC game commercial I have seen this year was for Starcraft.

PC shouldnt have exclusives anymore IMO. thats my real point.

I'm pretty sure blizzard's numbers are for active subscribers who are either on their free month after buying the game or are currently subscribed to the game. Not sure if they've released the overall sales of the game but I'll do a bit of research and see if i can find some. I'm sure the number of subscribers fluctuates a lot between expansions. If I had to estimate I would say they only have around 4-5 million currently subbed right now, but when cataclysm is released later this year I'd expect them to break the record yet again.

PC shouldnt have exclusives anymore IMO. thats my real point.

ShuffleSe7en

Although i am powerless towards the direction PC gaming is heading, I just don't want to sit on my ass while the idea of console Gmod seems inevitable.

I really cant find a good reason to keep PC gaming around. The only real "thing" PC gaming does right now is take games away from consoles...

Take Starcraft 2 for instance. It was the best seeling PC game of the Year.... in one day.

The best games each year.... are on Consoles, and have been for like the last 10 years.

Obviously, games are more capable on PC, but PC really has no restraints, and because of this Devs constantly require you to upgrade your system to play their games, whereas PS3/360/Wii try and push the limits of thier hardware as far as they can go.

Now i am not opposed to PC continuing to get support as time goes on, but PC should be an afterthought to the consoles.As in, if its not on a console, the game doesnt exist. I know this wont please every single PC owner on the planet.. But even from a developers perspective, what is there to gain from releasing only on PC? Certainly not Money.

Discuss.

PS; If you wanna get all uppity and pissed about what I type and wanna just FLIP OUT, let me warn you,, || See that space between the lines? Hold your thumb and forefinger up. Thats about how much i care.

ShuffleSe7en

Here is a fact that many do not realize, PC gaming will not ever die. Until consoles become powerful enough to run developmental software and have ways of manipulating said software, all games will be played on the PC first as that is where games are developed.

Actually it's not that unrealistic. With console games you have:

Royalties paid to console creator.

Cost of disc.

Store royalties.

Shipment costs.

And if you didn't publish your own game, then god help you because half the money from a game's sale goes straight to your publisher.

Here's a good chart showing how it breaks down.

With DD you can basically shave off Distribution, Platform royalty, and the retailer margin.

4 times isn't much of an exaggeration.

Even if the game costs $50 you still are making around $10+ more than a physical sale.

Vaasman

When you buy a game digitally, the seller (Valve, Stardock, D2D, Paradox) takes a 30% cut of every unit. So no, you very much do not shave off the retailer margin- these are the retailers. If the game retails for $50, the dev/publisher are getting about $35 per unit. PC games have to sell less to be profitable less because of the distribution (majority of sales still have everything in the photo sans platform royalty since it's retail) but because there are no dev kits to buy and there are plenty more available (free) tools to develop on the PC. The cost of development is simply lower.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Best selling game of all time? I'm pretty sure WoW alone is at 12 million and counting subscribers/buyers. It'll even get better now that China has allowed it access once again. Also pretty sure nothing has been more profitable than WoW.

One thing that consoles will always have over PC, platformers. I'll admit the idea of playing Mario with a keyboard and mouse would be akward at first, but probably even easier to control after awhile. Zelda on PC though would be too epic for gaming to handle imo.

Mods will never be introduced to consoles. Plus PC gets all the free DLC.

Slightly better graphics? CRYSIS/METRO 2033 PC PIX INC.

ShuffleSe7en

When I say slightly, this is for me personally. And only for Multiplats. Its not enough for me to sacrifice the confort of my living room, and my TV.

As for best selling games of all time MW2 sold as much as WoWs 12 million in a year across the platforms.

Obviously WoW will continue to grow.... and makes more money due to subscriptions, but more people have enjoyed the crap game MW2 than a stellar MMO like WoW

Im not saying PC gaming doesnt have a place. There are a few genres PC just flat out does better, and to those who love them, thats fine by me. But there are some games that PC gets that SHOULD be on consoles.

PC gaming IS a whole different beast. I play consoles primarily cause the better games on PC ARE on consoles... or they just arent my bag. (RTS, etc..)

There are plenty of time I have chosen the PC game over the console... But not even close to as many as I have the other way around... And usually I wait till the mods scene gets big for a game and dies down abit on consoles to make that switch.

I think "Is PC gaming all but dead" was a poor topic title. I dont mean dead as in its gonna go away, or that it should. But it does seem to have taken a major back seat to console gaming.

Case in point being the only PC game commercial I have seen this year was for Starcraft.

PC shouldnt have exclusives anymore IMO. thats my real point.

WoW isn't 12 million sales, it had 12 million current subscribers as of december 2008-january 2009 right after the release of wrath of the lich king. And pc shouldn't have exclusives? I'd like to see starcraft work on a console. Even the wii. I personally know several console exclusive gamers who went out of their way to play starcraft 2. The fact is PC is the most flexible platform to develop for and gets the most profit per unit sold.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Best selling game of all time? I'm pretty sure WoW alone is at 12 million and counting subscribers/buyers. It'll even get better now that China has allowed it access once again. Also pretty sure nothing has been more profitable than WoW.

One thing that consoles will always have over PC, platformers. I'll admit the idea of playing Mario with a keyboard and mouse would be akward at first, but probably even easier to control after awhile. Zelda on PC though would be too epic for gaming to handle imo.

Mods will never be introduced to consoles. Plus PC gets all the free DLC.

Slightly better graphics? CRYSIS/METRO 2033 PC PIX INC.

ShuffleSe7en

When I say slightly, this is for me personally. And only for Multiplats. Its not enough for me to sacrifice the confort of my living room, and my TV.

As for best selling games of all time MW2 sold as much as WoWs 12 million in a year across the platforms.

Obviously WoW will continue to grow.... and makes more money due to subscriptions, but more people have enjoyed the crap game MW2 than a stellar MMO like WoW

Im not saying PC gaming doesnt have a place. There are a few genres PC just flat out does better, and to those who love them, thats fine by me. But there are some games that PC gets that SHOULD be on consoles.

PC gaming IS a whole different beast. I play consoles primarily cause the better games on PC ARE on consoles... or they just arent my bag. (RTS, etc..)

There are plenty of time I have chosen the PC game over the console... But not even close to as many as I have the other way around... And usually I wait till the mods scene gets big for a game and dies down abit on consoles to make that switch.

I think "Is PC gaming all but dead" was a poor topic title. I dont mean dead as in its gonna go away, or that it should. But it does seem to have taken a major back seat to console gaming.

Case in point being the only PC game commercial I have seen this year was for Starcraft.

PC shouldnt have exclusives anymore IMO. thats my real point.

You are strongly mistaken if you really think MW2 is the best selling game of all time... .

And now digressing back to WoW. WoWhas 11 active subscribers... the game had 20 million active subscribers at one point when it had china, and well over that amount with unique users...

Oh and Btw Today, PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue. The next closest platform is the Wii, which generated 24% of the total gaming revenue in 2009. And the PC share is growing – by 2013, the forecast is that PC gaming will represent 56% of the total pie.

PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue

Oh and Btw Today, PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue. The next closest platform is the Wii, which generated 24% of the total gaming revenue in 2009. And the PC share is growing – by 2013, the forecast is that PC gaming will represent 56% of the total pie.

PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue

Diviniuz

The majority of that 43% is unfortunately, World of Warcraft.

To those who think that PC gaming is on top, we aren't. We need something that teaches the console fanboys some respect.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

Oh and Btw Today, PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue. The next closest platform is the Wii, which generated 24% of the total gaming revenue in 2009. And the PC share is growing – by 2013, the forecast is that PC gaming will represent 56% of the total pie.

PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue

flashn00b

The majority of that 43% is unfortunately, World of Warcraft.

To those who think that PC gaming is on top, we aren't. We need something that teaches the console fanboys some respect.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

Oh and Btw Today, PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue. The next closest platform is the Wii, which generated 24% of the total gaming revenue in 2009. And the PC share is growing – by 2013, the forecast is that PC gaming will represent 56% of the total pie.

PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue

flashn00b

The majority of that 43% is unfortunately, World of Warcraft.

To those who think that PC gaming is on top, we aren't. We need something that teaches the console fanboys some respect.

Put them up against an Asian in Starcraft 2. Even give them a controller so the consolites would feel at home.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Best selling game of all time? I'm pretty sure WoW alone is at 12 million and counting subscribers/buyers. It'll even get better now that China has allowed it access once again. Also pretty sure nothing has been more profitable than WoW.

One thing that consoles will always have over PC, platformers. I'll admit the idea of playing Mario with a keyboard and mouse would be akward at first, but probably even easier to control after awhile. Zelda on PC though would be too epic for gaming to handle imo.

Mods will never be introduced to consoles. Plus PC gets all the free DLC.

Slightly better graphics? CRYSIS/METRO 2033 PC PIX INC.

ShuffleSe7en

When I say slightly, this is for me personally. And only for Multiplats. Its not enough for me to sacrifice the confort of my living room, and my TV.

As for best selling games of all time MW2 sold as much as WoWs 12 million in a year across the platforms.

Obviously WoW will continue to grow.... and makes more money due to subscriptions, but more people have enjoyed the crap game MW2 than a stellar MMO like WoW

Im not saying PC gaming doesnt have a place. There are a few genres PC just flat out does better, and to those who love them, thats fine by me. But there are some games that PC gets that SHOULD be on consoles.

PC gaming IS a whole different beast. I play consoles primarily cause the better games on PC ARE on consoles... or they just arent my bag. (RTS, etc..)

There are plenty of time I have chosen the PC game over the console... But not even close to as many as I have the other way around... And usually I wait till the mods scene gets big for a game and dies down abit on consoles to make that switch.

I think "Is PC gaming all but dead" was a poor topic title. I dont mean dead as in its gonna go away, or that it should. But it does seem to have taken a major back seat to console gaming.

Case in point being the only PC game commercial I have seen this year was for Starcraft.

PC shouldnt have exclusives anymore IMO. thats my real point.

The PC platform is a launching pad for many developers. Ignoring the PC centric genres (RTS, Sim, MMO, Strategy), the PC platform is attracting indie developers in a way which hasn't happened since the early 90's. Releasing games on consoles costs lots of money, much more than releasing a game on PC, so many developers simply don't have the option to (and even if they can, it won't always turn out to be a wise move as shown by this and this). That's the reason the PC is getting tons of unique IPs such as Amnesia, Aquaria, Natural Selection, Dead State, Dear Esther, 0A.D, Age of Decandence, MineCraft, Mount and Blade, Overgrowth and many others I can't remember at the moment. It's open, it's cheap, and there's plenty of open minded people to play your game even if you can't market it. The mainstream moving to consoles has allowed other developers to thrive within the PC market, which is a great thing. The day PC doesn't have any exclusives is the day gaming will stagnate.

Someone is a tad insecure about the PC gaming 'super menace'.

[QUOTE="flashn00b"]

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

Oh and Btw Today, PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue. The next closest platform is the Wii, which generated 24% of the total gaming revenue in 2009. And the PC share is growing – by 2013, the forecast is that PC gaming will represent 56% of the total pie.

PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue

Diviniuz

The majority of that 43% is unfortunately, World of Warcraft.

To those who think that PC gaming is on top, we aren't. We need something that teaches the console fanboys some respect.

Enthusiast PCs are 62% of the total market, and there are 4PCs out there for every Wii, 7 PCs for every Xbox360 and 8 PCs for every PS3.

Good lawdy I didn't know it was that bad. And that's not consumer PCs, that's just gamer PCs! :shock: :shock:

WoW probably is the majority. But that doesn't mean its 40% of that 43%. About 10-15% sounds realistic.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="flashn00b"]

The majority of that 43% is unfortunately, World of Warcraft.

To those who think that PC gaming is on top, we aren't. We need something that teaches the console fanboys some respect.

ChubbyGuy40

Enthusiast PCs are 62% of the total market, and there are 4PCs out there for every Wii, 7 PCs for every Xbox360 and 8 PCs for every PS3.

Good lawdy I didn't know it was that bad. And that's not consumer PCs, that's just gamer PCs! :shock: :shock:

WoW probably is the majority. But that doesn't mean its 40% of that 43%. About 10-15% sounds realistic.

WoW is not the majority...

The PC generated over $13 billion last year. WoW is not generating over $6.5 billion by itself... It generates roughly $1.1 billion last I checked.

The whole topic is ludicrous and speaks volumes about the bubble the OP must live in.

The three juggernauts of the industry are PC exclusives.

There are MILLIONS more active steam accounts that there are xbox live accounts.

Multi-plat games are consistently played by more people online on PC than they are on consoles.

As Intel and the PC gaming Alliance have shown numerous times with neat graphs and power point presentations, and, more importantly, with hard data, PC gaming is a LARGER platform than any console.

Give it up man. Everyone here called you on it already. You're insecure about your aging, dust covered console and you're having a little bit of envy that PC gamers are just plain old having a better time and a better gaming experience that ever will on a console.

Now, I've go to get back to Dirt 2. It's running on my HTPC at a higher resolution, higher graphics level, and features not present in the console version, on my 50" HDTV, and I'm playing it on my couch with my wireless gamepad.

That's the beauty of the PC as an open platform. I can play my games in whatever damn way I want to. Sucks to be you.

I really cant find a good reason to keep PC gaming around. The only real "thing" PC gaming does right now is take games away from consoles...

Take Starcraft 2 for instance. It was the best seeling PC game of the Year.... in one day.

The best games each year.... are on Consoles, and have been for like the last 10 years.

Obviously, games are more capable on PC, but PC really has no restraints, and because of this Devs constantly require you to upgrade your system to play their games, whereas PS3/360/Wii try and push the limits of thier hardware as far as they can go.

Now i am not opposed to PC continuing to get support as time goes on, but PC should be an afterthought to the consoles.As in, if its not on a console, the game doesnt exist. I know this wont please every single PC owner on the planet.. But even from a developers perspective, what is there to gain from releasing only on PC? Certainly not Money.

Discuss.

PS; If you wanna get all uppity and pissed about what I type and wanna just FLIP OUT, let me warn you,, || See that space between the lines? Hold your thumb and forefinger up. Thats about how much i care.

ShuffleSe7en

Level 1 with 8 posts?

MOVE ALONG...NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

So if developers do not receive money from the games they release on PC, then why do they keep at it if it does not bring in any revenue?

These threads are getting worse.

The most exclusives this gen means a system is dead? Seems odd.

PC shouldnt have exclusives anymore IMO. thats my real point.

ShuffleSe7en

Why are people feeding this obvious troll

Lvl 1, opens topic with ignorant title and now this? Move along people

You are strongly mistaken if you really think MW2 is the best selling game of all time... .

And now digressing back to WoW. WoWhas 11 active subscribers... the game had 20 million active subscribers at one point when it had china, and well over that amount with unique users...

Oh and Btw Today, PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue. The next closest platform is the Wii, which generated 24% of the total gaming revenue in 2009. And the PC share is growing – by 2013, the forecast is that PC gaming will represent 56% of the total pie.

PC gaming generates 43% of the total gaming revenue

Diviniuz

Wow never have 20 mill subs >.> the highst was about 13 mill and thats with China servers but its still the best selling game of all times.

Back to topic:

No matter what you say PC gaming will never die. What Consol can do, PC can do it better. All the Game Companies just want easy money and that is why they keep making games on Consol, Just look at DLC prices.

PC gaming just concentrate on MMORPG, You only need about 200.000 Subscribes then you don't need to worry about not to make any money. 1 good MMORPG can beat alot of AAA games on consol.

If PC gaming die, then the Consol will be the next PC gaming.

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/

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[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

http://store.steampowered.com/

according to intel fourty something % of video game $$$ come from PC

ShuffleSe7en

Even if that is true (I'd like to see proof of this) That fourty percent is spread across how many different games?

Whats the last great game pc had? Starcraft 2. K

Now how many great games have come out this year that were worth a look on PC?

And of the great games on PC, which are ones are on consoles... and have sold better than their console counterparts?

Guild Wars 2 and Diablo 3 are coming up, and they will have HUGE followings and big sales for each.

The interesting thing about that Intel page is they do not include those who own both a gaming desktop and a gaming laptop, of which I own one of each (I have a second PC I need to figure out what is wrong with so I can play older games).

As I said earlier, PC gaming will not die as all games are created on the PC and played on the PC before being ported to their respective console.

Sheeps, can't live with 'em... Can't live without... Wait a minute, yes you can! This guy is pretty much a console drone going "FOMGZ **** PC LOL!".

Can't you just let us hermits play and mod our games in peace?

I really cant find a good reason to keep PC gaming around. The only real "thing" PC gaming does right now is take games away from consoles...

Nope, it's the opposite actually.

Take Starcraft 2 for instance. It was the best seeling PC game of the Year.... in one day.

So what?

The best games each year.... are on Consoles, and have been for like the last 10 years.

WC3+WoW+SC2...those games alone lay waste to whatever list you can come up with from console games in the last 10 years. You fail. Hard.

Obviously, games are more capable on PC, but PC really has no restraints, and because of this Devs constantly require you to upgrade your system to play their games, whereas PS3/360/Wii try and push the limits of thier hardware as far as they can go.

Every person with a brain should know this is a positive thing. We already have enough stagnation with all these multiplats.

Now i am not opposed to PC continuing to get support as time goes on, but PC should be an afterthought to the consoles.As in, if its not on a console, the game doesnt exist. I know this wont please every single PC owner on the planet.. But even from a developers perspective, what is there to gain from releasing only on PC? Certainly not Money.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27423165&tag=topics%3Btitle

Read before you post. Again, you fail. Hard.

ShuffleSe7en

what's with the increase in "PC gaming sucks/dying" threads?lawlessx

No idea but everytime I see one of these threads, members must want me to rebuttle it with this:

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]what's with the increase in "PC gaming sucks/dying" threads?jedikevin2

No idea but everytime I see one of these threads, members must want me to rebuttle it with this:

Do people keep adding to that? It gets bigger every time I see it.

Well NPD says PC was responsible for about 550 million.... of 10 billion in the gaming market in 09, not quite 43%

Well NPD says PC was responsible for about 550 million.... of 10 billion in the gaming market in 09, not quite 43%

ShuffleSe7en

NPD just recently started tracking DD. As in, within the last few months.

[QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]

Well NPD says PC was responsible for about 550 million.... of 10 billion in the gaming market in 09, not quite 43%

lundy86_4

NPD just recently started tracking DD. As in, within the last few months.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the NPD only track North American sales? The PC platform is dominant in most of Europe and Asia, which is where most of the revenue will be coming from.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]

Well NPD says PC was responsible for about 550 million.... of 10 billion in the gaming market in 09, not quite 43%

hypoty

NPD just recently started tracking DD. As in, within the last few months.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the NPD only track North American sales? The PC platform is dominant in most of Europe and Asia, which is where most of the revenue will be coming from.

Yep. Not only that, but NA has had a large push to DD and away from retail (not to say all retail for PC gaming in NA is dead).

Rly need to stop these threads. Ill give you the one true fact. PC Gaming cant be measured. Because its so vast and expanding. Gamespot cant measure the great amount of free to play games that have been released and yet your trying to compare consoles to pc. Its not possible. I consider myself a pc gamer. I play great games and can do my 3d modeling on the same machine. Its great I dont need a console because truthfully I think sony and microsoft have corrupted gaming a bit. I hate there online community and I hate there horrible variety in games. Nintendo is my only true developer in my mind. They bring great inovation and only have focus on gaming. With microsoft and sony all I feel is that they want my money. Anyways PC gaming isnt going anywhere. In fact I say its bigger today then it has ever been. More people are gonna buy starcraft 2, more people are buying computers today the 10 years ago, flash games are a portal to pc gaming, free to play games like Leauge of Legends make profit and offer a free experience the gamers can all enjoy, and at the end of the tunnel people talk about having to upgrade the pcs every once in a while, but its easier to me then buying a new console and now a tv to get the full experience.

Well NPD says PC was responsible for about 550 million.... of 10 billion in the gaming market in 09, not quite 43%

ShuffleSe7en

I am sorry that PC gaming makes 43% of the world's gaming revenue

If you read the intel article you'd know... I tend to trust intel seeing that they are one of the worlds biggest hardware/processor mega giants, I have the feeling their world wide data is accurate

Well NPD says PC was responsible for about 550 million.... of 10 billion in the gaming market in 09, not quite 43%

ShuffleSe7en

Also: can we avoid being region-centric here and think globally? Too many in System Wars are too region-centric, and quoting regional figures means very little to people who do not live in that region.

looked pretty dead last time i went to gamestop. One small shelf of mostly MMO's and sim games.

Vambran

EB games, Gamestop whatever hate PC gaming because they cant sell PC games 2nd hand to make more profit, all PC gamers use Steam now anyway

Well NPD says PC was responsible for about 550 million.... of 10 billion in the gaming market in 09, not quite 43%

ShuffleSe7en

NPD... no DD sales and only counting america retails...

Seriously, am i really the only one who thinks that PC needs to get Final Fantasy?

If so, allow me to elaborate why we need it.

Final Fantasy is possibly THE most popular Japanese role-playing game known to man. If the PC was to have a Final Fantasy game that isn't badly ported or an MMO, the console fanboys will have to respect that we have one of their greatest gems. Heck, people might think that there's an incentive to get a gaming PC because it has what many might think would be "the best damn RPG". The long term effects might outweigh the short-term outrages.

flashn00b

[QUOTE="flashn00b"]

Seriously, am i really the only one who thinks that PC needs to get Final Fantasy?

If so, allow me to elaborate why we need it.

Final Fantasy is possibly THE most popular Japanese role-playing game known to man. If the PC was to have a Final Fantasy game that isn't badly ported or an MMO, the console fanboys will have to respect that we have one of their greatest gems. Heck, people might think that there's an incentive to get a gaming PC because it has what many might think would be "the best damn RPG". The long term effects might outweigh the short-term outrages.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

PC games basically cost nothing to distribute, especially now that DD is becoming popular.

Also MW2 cost 60 dollars on PC.

Vaasman

Ok sorry $60

But to say four times.....

Assuming it costs $0 to distribute an PC game it would have to cost $45 to distribute one Xbox game for it too be four times.... This is NOT the case.

(Note: I have about as many facts on this as you do.... because we are both obviously in the game distribution business)

Royalties paid to console creator.

Cost of disc.

Store royalties.

Shipment costs.

And if you didn't publish your own game, then god help you because half the money from a game's sale goes straight to your publisher.

Here's a good chart showing how it breaks down.

With DD you can basically shave off Distribution, Platform royalty, and the retailer margin.

4 times isn't much of an exaggeration.

Even if the game costs $50 you still are making around $10+ more than a physical sale.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]

Ok sorry $60

But to say four times.....

Assuming it costs $0 to distribute an PC game it would have to cost $45 to distribute one Xbox game for it too be four times.... This is NOT the case.

(Note: I have about as many facts on this as you do.... because we are both obviously in the game distribution business)

savagetwinkie

Royalties paid to console creator.

Cost of disc.

Store royalties.

Shipment costs.

And if you didn't publish your own game, then god help you because half the money from a game's sale goes straight to your publisher.

Here's a good chart showing how it breaks down.

With DD you can basically shave off Distribution, Platform royalty, and the retailer margin.

4 times isn't much of an exaggeration.

Even if the game costs $50 you still are making around $10+ more than a physical sale.

Bw is cheaper the retail dist. A 10gb game (big with compression), wouldn't even cost a dollar to deliver one time to a customer...

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Actually it's not that unrealistic. With console games you have:

Royalties paid to console creator.

Cost of disc.

Store royalties.

Shipment costs.

And if you didn't publish your own game, then god help you because half the money from a game's sale goes straight to your publisher.

Here's a good chart showing how it breaks down.

With DD you can basically shave off Distribution, Platform royalty, and the retailer margin.

4 times isn't much of an exaggeration.

Even if the game costs $50 you still are making around $10+ more than a physical sale.

Captain__Tripps

Bw is cheaper the retail dist. A 10gb game (big with compression), wouldn't even cost a dollar to deliver one time to a customer...

Here is a question to console fanboys. If PC gaming is dead why do Nvidia and ATI spend close to 1/2 billion dollars in R&D to design the latests and greatest graphics card for the PC. According to the CEO of Nvidia, Nvidia spends approximately half a billion dollars to bring in new generation of graphic cards for the PC. It's a similar amount for ATI So, why do Nvidia and ATI spend ~half a billion dollars each year to bring out next gen graphics hardware for the PC, if they thought it was "dying"? Is Nvidia and ATI are bunch of stupid idiots? and console fanboys are not.They are throwing away all that cash for nothing? Not to mention these two companies are multibillion dollar companies with profits in the millions. Yeah sure PC gaming is dying. That's why ATI and nVidia keeps on spending ~half a billion dollars in designing gaming graphics cards for the PC (rolls eyes).