is pc gaming still big or its dying?

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[QUOTE="Mazoch"] As already said, I agree the PC has relatively few platformers. As for open worlds, exploring open sandbox areas and PC can more than hold it's own. Aside from Multi plat games like Oblivion and Fallout 3 you got other Bethesda (Especially Morrowind) but also games like STALKER and STALKER Clear Skies. While they are FPS games they also contain a very strong open world and exploration element. Almost all MMO's contain a strong open world element that encourages exploration and gradually unlocking more and more of the world. Heck by your definition GTA is an adventure game.Yandere

GTA is in a way

and heck...even steam classifies in as one....go to the first link that guy posted (was that you?) and go to top sellers or whatever

yep, GTAIV is there...under the adventure games

lmao, sounds like you guys are the ones who doesn't know what adventure really means

The adventure genre isn't classified by if they have a adventure or not, it's by the gameplay.. Like any genre.

so then steam is wrong for putting GTAIV under the adventure category?

[QUOTE="Mazoch"][QUOTE="CDUB316"]

adventure to me is something with a big and open world...something you go around and collect stuff to get to another area

it might not be your definition, but it's mine

either way...does it matter? PC offers nothing like those games either way, whatever the hell they are

CDUB316

GTA is in a way

and heck...even steam (or whatever that website was) classifies it as one....go to the first link that guy posted (was that you?) and go to top sellers or whatever

yep, GTAIV is there...under the adventure games

lmao, sounds like you guys are the ones who doesn't know what adventure really means

/shrug Fair enough. I guess the definition is changing from what I grew up with, nothing wrong with that :) But in that case.. the PC can more than hold it's own when it comes to open world / exploration game.

Again, platforms and third person action games are somewhat limited (though some are comming out). Aside from those two, I'd take the PC's library over any other platform.

No advertising and even less big games coming out, its not very lively.

PC Gaming never recovered from the end of the 'golden age' of gaming as the consoles have.

EvanTheGamer

Last I checked consoles lost their ability to differentiate themselves early this generation. The big games you talk about have almost completely abandoned platform exclusivity, the only reason consoles have so many is because the 1st party are paying for them to remain exclusive.

I wouldn't call the financial life support Sony and Microsoft have their consoles on as being in a stronger position.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

GTA is in a way

and heck...even steam classifies in as one....go to the first link that guy posted (was that you?) and go to top sellers or whatever

yep, GTAIV is there...under the adventure games

lmao, sounds like you guys are the ones who doesn't know what adventure really means

CDUB316

The adventure genre isn't classified by if they have a adventure or not, it's by the gameplay.. Like any genre.

so then steam is wrong for putting GTAIV under the adventure category?

It's incorrect, Steam doesn't put all their games into their exact corresponding sub genres.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

GTA is in a way

and heck...even steam classifies in as one....go to the first link that guy posted (was that you?) and go to top sellers or whatever

yep, GTAIV is there...under the adventure games

lmao, sounds like you guys are the ones who doesn't know what adventure really means

CDUB316

The adventure genre isn't classified by if they have a adventure or not, it's by the gameplay.. Like any genre.

so then steam is wrong for putting GTAIV under the adventure category?

Maybe :?

What necessarily makes them right?

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="Mazoch"] As already said, I agree the PC has relatively few platformers. As for open worlds, exploring open sandbox areas and PC can more than hold it's own. Aside from Multi plat games like Oblivion and Fallout 3 you got other Bethesda (Especially Morrowind) but also games like STALKER and STALKER Clear Skies. While they are FPS games they also contain a very strong open world and exploration element. Almost all MMO's contain a strong open world element that encourages exploration and gradually unlocking more and more of the world. Heck by your definition GTA is an adventure game.Mazoch

GTA is in a way

and heck...even steam (or whatever that website was) classifies it as one....go to the first link that guy posted (was that you?) and go to top sellers or whatever

yep, GTAIV is there...under the adventure games

lmao, sounds like you guys are the ones who doesn't know what adventure really means

/shrug Fair enough. I guess the definition is changing from what I grew up with, nothing wrong with that :) But in that case.. the PC can more than hold it's own when it comes to open world / exploration game.

Again, platforms and third person action games are somewhat limited (though some are comming out). Aside from those two, I'd take the PC's library over any other platform.

exaclty

you can't call a game JUST adventure anymore

then your sitting there asking yourself...."adventure? like what KIND of adventure? do i jump? shoot? point and click?"

there's no such thing as just adventure anymore, and there really hasn't been since the N64 and PS1

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[QUOTE="Yandere"]

The adventure genre isn't classified by if they have a adventure or not, it's by the gameplay.. Like any genre.

Yandere

so then steam is wrong for putting GTAIV under the adventure category?

It's incorrect, Steam doesn't put all their games into their exact corresponding sub genres.

so their incorrect? maybe your incorrect? ever think of that?

it's ok to be wrong sometimes

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[QUOTE="Yandere"]

The adventure genre isn't classified by if they have a adventure or not, it's by the gameplay.. Like any genre.

lundy86_4

so then steam is wrong for putting GTAIV under the adventure category?

Maybe :?

What necessarily makes them right?

lol, you have seen the light

i think i just blew like 4 peoples minds here today...my work here is done

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

so then steam is wrong for putting GTAIV under the adventure category?

CDUB316

It's incorrect, Steam doesn't put all their games into their exact corresponding sub genres.

so their incorrect? maybe your incorrect? ever think of that?

it's ok to be wrong sometimes

GTA is a sandbox TPS, nothing like it is under any sub genre under adventure.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

GTA is in a way

and heck...even steam (or whatever that website was) classifies it as one....go to the first link that guy posted (was that you?) and go to top sellers or whatever

yep, GTAIV is there...under the adventure games

lmao, sounds like you guys are the ones who doesn't know what adventure really means

CDUB316

/shrug Fair enough. I guess the definition is changing from what I grew up with, nothing wrong with that :) But in that case.. the PC can more than hold it's own when it comes to open world / exploration game.

Again, platforms and third person action games are somewhat limited (though some are comming out). Aside from those two, I'd take the PC's library over any other platform.

exaclty

you can't call a game JUST adventure anymore

then your sitting there asking yourself...."adventure? like what KIND of adventure? do i jump? shoot? point and click?"

there's no such thing as just adventure anymore, and there really hasn't been since the N64 and PS1

I don' care what you want to call it as long as you explain what you mean by it. You could call it yellow lollipop games for wall I can just make sure to tell me what that means :)

My point still stands, by your own definition the PC has no shortage of adventure games. It also has more adventure games than all other platforms added together if you look at the classical definition of the genre.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

so then steam is wrong for putting GTAIV under the adventure category?

CDUB316

Maybe :?

What necessarily makes them right?

lol, you have seen the light

i think i just blew like 4 peoples minds here today...my work here is done

Say wha? Not really my friend. I still think you are incorrect and you ignored one of my posts.

By your definition of adventure I could categorize any FPS, RTS, RPG, action game etc as adventure :?

When you see Diablo3 and Starcraft2 coming on console then you can consider PC gaming dying.Syferonik

spot on.

also, the same can be said with RPG's

technically most games are RPG's cause you play the ROLE of someone else...but most people call games with turn based elements and stat raising elements RPG's and not games like FPS's

so a game like halo...technically it's part RPG and adventure....BUT the main part of the game is in fact shooting...so we can call it an FPS

this is why i classify platformers as adventure games now.....RPG and adventure are two terms that dont' mean what everyone classifies them to be....but that's too difficult, so we just call the game by whatever we do most in the game...in terms of halo, we shoot in the first person view

but RPG still is more commonly used for turn based games and such

adventure however has turned into something more and simply just can not be classified as just that...needs something more

also, the same can be said with RPG's

technically most games are RPG's cause you play the ROLE of someone else...but most people call games with turn based elements and stat raising elements RPG's and not games like FPS's

so a game like halo...technically it's part RPG and adventure....BUT the main part of the game is in fact shooting...so we can call it an FPS

this is why i classify platformers as adventure games now.....RPG and adventure are two terms that dont' mean what everyone classifies them to be....but that's too difficult, so we just call the game by whatever we do most in the game...in terms of halo, we shoot in the first person view

but RPG still is more commonly used for turn based games and such

adventure however has turned into something more and simply just can not be classified as just that...needs something more

CDUB316

By your loose definition I can call every game an adventure. As we've shown you, it simply does not work.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Maybe :?

What necessarily makes them right?

lundy86_4

lol, you have seen the light

i think i just blew like 4 peoples minds here today...my work here is done

Say wha? Not really my friend. I still think you are incorrect and you ignored one of my posts.

By your definition of adventure I could categorize any FPS, RTS, RPG, action game etc as adventure :?

i didn't bother because i've pretty much answered that with everyone other thing i've said

sorry if it didn't give you the separate attention you wanted, lol

AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc.

we don't classify games as just being adventure anymore because honestly....what's adventure? it's an adventure game, but are we in first person view? do we jump on stuff? do we shoot stuff? adventure is NOT a form of gameplay

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

also, the same can be said with RPG's

technically most games are RPG's cause you play the ROLE of someone else...but most people call games with turn based elements and stat raising elements RPG's and not games like FPS's

so a game like halo...technically it's part RPG and adventure....BUT the main part of the game is in fact shooting...so we can call it an FPS

this is why i classify platformers as adventure games now.....RPG and adventure are two terms that dont' mean what everyone classifies them to be....but that's too difficult, so we just call the game by whatever we do most in the game...in terms of halo, we shoot in the first person view

but RPG still is more commonly used for turn based games and such

adventure however has turned into something more and simply just can not be classified as just that...needs something more

lundy86_4

By your loose definition I can call every game an adventure. As we've shown you, it simply does not work.

read my post i just posted....we don't classify them as adventure

we classify them as their gameplay

ADVENTURE IS NOT GAMEPLAY...hence why the term "ACTION" adventure was conceived

[QUOTE="Syferonik"]When you see Diablo3 and Starcraft2 coming on console then you can consider PC gaming dying.Scoob64

spot on.

You would think three years into this generation that people would have understood the situation by now...

What about the vast majority of previously exclusive games going cross platform, both on PC and consoles, that suggests to you any platform losing a high budget exclusive is dieing? High budget games go cross platform because they are high budget games, they broaden their audience in order to accommodate their high development cost.

Blizzard is not owned by any 1st party, they have no constraints or incentives keeping them exclusive to one platform, if they are exclusive it is entirely their choice. If these games were to go cross platform there are a variety of factors to consider, from development cost as mentioned to a PS3/360 pay off. To say they were evidence of a platform dieing, well, 360 and PS3 must of died by perception a long long time ago.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

lol, you have seen the light

i think i just blew like 4 peoples minds here today...my work here is done

CDUB316

Say wha? Not really my friend. I still think you are incorrect and you ignored one of my posts.

By your definition of adventure I could categorize any FPS, RTS, RPG, action game etc as adventure :?

i didn't bother because i've pretty much answered that with everyone other thing i've said

sorry if it didn't give you the separate attention you wanted, lol

AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc.

we don't classify games as just being adventure anymore because honestly....what's adventure? it's an adventure game, but are we in first person view? do we jump on stuff? do we shoot stuff? adventure is NOT a form of gameplay

So what are the new Monkey Island games?

Secret Files Tunguska?

Still Life 2?

Machinarium?

They are advanture games.

Like I said, by your definition everything can be categorized in the adventure genre. Which simply isn't true.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Say wha? Not really my friend. I still think you are incorrect and you ignored one of my posts.

By your definition of adventure I could categorize any FPS, RTS, RPG, action game etc as adventure :?

lundy86_4

i didn't bother because i've pretty much answered that with everyone other thing i've said

sorry if it didn't give you the separate attention you wanted, lol

AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc.

we don't classify games as just being adventure anymore because honestly....what's adventure? it's an adventure game, but are we in first person view? do we jump on stuff? do we shoot stuff? adventure is NOT a form of gameplay

So what are the new Monkey Island games?

Secret Files Tunguska?

Still Life 2?

Machinarium?

They are advanture games.

Like I said, by your definition everything can be categorized in the adventure genre. Which simply isn't true.

monkey island is a POINT AND CLICK adventure game

do you NOT read my other posts? i'm just having to repeat myself to give you individual attention

also, the same can be said with RPG's

technically most games are RPG's cause you play the ROLE of someone else...but most people call games with turn based elements and stat raising elements RPG's and not games like FPS's

so a game like halo...technically it's part RPG and adventure....BUT the main part of the game is in fact shooting...so we can call it an FPS

this is why i classify platformers as adventure games now.....RPG and adventure are two terms that dont' mean what everyone classifies them to be....but that's too difficult, so we just call the game by whatever we do most in the game...in terms of halo, we shoot in the first person view

but RPG still is more commonly used for turn based games and such

adventure however has turned into something more and simply just can not be classified as just that...needs something more

CDUB316

it's far from dead.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

i didn't bother because i've pretty much answered that with everyone other thing i've said

sorry if it didn't give you the separate attention you wanted, lol

AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc.

we don't classify games as just being adventure anymore because honestly....what's adventure? it's an adventure game, but are we in first person view? do we jump on stuff? do we shoot stuff? adventure is NOT a form of gameplay

CDUB316

So what are the new Monkey Island games?

Secret Files Tunguska?

Still Life 2?

Machinarium?

They are advanture games.

Like I said, by your definition everything can be categorized in the adventure genre. Which simply isn't true.

monkey island is a POINT AND CLICK adventure game

do you NOT read my other posts? i'm just having to repeat myself to give you individual attention

I've read them all. You said there is no such thing as just strictly adventure anymore. So you're saying the point and click aspect makes it no longer adventure? Does it make it an RTS? As you point and click in those.

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

also, the same can be said with RPG's

technically most games are RPG's cause you play the ROLE of someone else...but most people call games with turn based elements and stat raising elements RPG's and not games like FPS's

so a game like halo...technically it's part RPG and adventure....BUT the main part of the game is in fact shooting...so we can call it an FPS

this is why i classify platformers as adventure games now.....RPG and adventure are two terms that dont' mean what everyone classifies them to be....but that's too difficult, so we just call the game by whatever we do most in the game...in terms of halo, we shoot in the first person view

but RPG still is more commonly used for turn based games and such

adventure however has turned into something more and simply just can not be classified as just that...needs something more

Yandere

your taking how i classify games too literally

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

So what are the new Monkey Island games?

Secret Files Tunguska?

Still Life 2?

Machinarium?

They are advanture games.

Like I said, by your definition everything can be categorized in the adventure genre. Which simply isn't true.

lundy86_4

monkey island is a POINT AND CLICK adventure game

do you NOT read my other posts? i'm just having to repeat myself to give you individual attention

I've read them all. You said there is no such thing as just strictly adventure anymore. So you're saying the point and click aspect makes it no longer adventure? Does it make it an RTS? As you point and click in those.

wow

ummm...i said point and click ADVENTURE

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

lol, you have seen the light

i think i just blew like 4 peoples minds here today...my work here is done

CDUB316

Say wha? Not really my friend. I still think you are incorrect and you ignored one of my posts.

By your definition of adventure I could categorize any FPS, RTS, RPG, action game etc as adventure :?

i didn't bother because i've pretty much answered that with everyone other thing i've said

sorry if it didn't give you the separate attention you wanted, lol

AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc.

we don't classify games as just being adventure anymore because honestly....what's adventure? it's an adventure game, but are we in first person view? do we jump on stuff? do we shoot stuff? adventure is NOT a form of gameplay

I think you've missed the point in several ways.

Yes, you can play high school philosopher and argue that genres doesn't matter and that everything with a number can be called an RPG, everything with a gun can be called a shooter and anything that's not completely boring can be called an adventure. However that is pointless given that we're talking about genres.

The whole idea with genres is to provide a shared reference framework. We group games into categories to help facilitate communication. So when I want to tell someone else about a game, say Crysis. I can fall it a shooter or an FPS. I do this because it is the genre or the archetype of a game that it most closely resembles. However if you want to split hair you could call it just about everything (platform.. it has jumping, RPG? It has some stats and advancement, Exploration? Sandbox? Tech Demo). But if I do that then the idea of genres become pointless since every game essentially ends up being part of all genres.

What you're doing is splitting hairs and arguing semantics, I don't think it's going to blow anyone's mind

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

monkey island is a POINT AND CLICK adventure game

do you NOT read my other posts? i'm just having to repeat myself to give you individual attention

CDUB316

I've read them all. You said there is no such thing as just strictly adventure anymore. So you're saying the point and click aspect makes it no longer adventure? Does it make it an RTS? As you point and click in those.

wow

ummm...i said point and click ADVENTURE

But you said adventure games don't exist anymore?

So your saying they do now?

You're not very consistent in your argument.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Say wha? Not really my friend. I still think you are incorrect and you ignored one of my posts.

By your definition of adventure I could categorize any FPS, RTS, RPG, action game etc as adventure :?

Mazoch

i didn't bother because i've pretty much answered that with everyone other thing i've said

sorry if it didn't give you the separate attention you wanted, lol

AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc.

we don't classify games as just being adventure anymore because honestly....what's adventure? it's an adventure game, but are we in first person view? do we jump on stuff? do we shoot stuff? adventure is NOT a form of gameplay

I think you've missed the point in several ways.

Yes, you can play high school philosopher and argue that genres doesn't matter and that everything with a number can be called an RPG, everything with a gun can be called a shooter and anything that's not completely boring can be called an adventure. However that is pointless given that we're talking about genres.

The whole idea with genres is to provide a shared reference framework. We group games into categories to help facilitate communication. So when I want to tell someone else about a game, say Crysis. I can fall it a shooter or an FPS. I do this because it is the genre or the archetype of a game that it most closely resembles. However if you want to split hair you could call it just about everything (platform.. it has jumping, RPG? It has some stats and advancement, Exploration? Sandbox? Tech Demo). But if I do that then the idea of genres become pointless since every game essentially ends up being part of all genres.

What you're doing is splitting hairs and arguing semantics, I don't think it's going to blow anyone's mind

wow, too much too read

sigh...at least steam agrees with me

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I've read them all. You said there is no such thing as just strictly adventure anymore. So you're saying the point and click aspect makes it no longer adventure? Does it make it an RTS? As you point and click in those.

lundy86_4

wow

ummm...i said point and click ADVENTURE

But you said adventure games don't exist anymore?

So your saying they do now?

You're not very consistent in your argument.

i said you can't call a game as JUST adventure

it has to have some kind of adjective before it to tell us about the gameplay as adventure tells us NOTHING about the gameplay

jeez...am i talking too fast for you or what? i can slow it down

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

wow

ummm...i said point and click ADVENTURE

CDUB316

But you said adventure games don't exist anymore?

So your saying they do now?

You're not very consistent in your argument.

i said you can't call a game as JUST adventure

it has to have some kind of adjective before it to tell us about the gameplay as adventure tells us NOTHING about the gameplay

jeez...am i talking too fast for you or what? i can slow it down

But point and click is not another genre. The point and click games are adventure, and you stated strictly that adventure games no longer exist.

I have kept up with you just fine. Do no insult my intelligence, as it seems your reading comprehension is lacking much more than mine.

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

But you said adventure games don't exist anymore?

So your saying they do now?

You're not very consistent in your argument.

lundy86_4

i said you can't call a game as JUST adventure

it has to have some kind of adjective before it to tell us about the gameplay as adventure tells us NOTHING about the gameplay

jeez...am i talking too fast for you or what? i can slow it down

But point and click is not another genre. The point and click games are adventure, and you stated strictly that adventure games no longer exist.

I have kept up with you just fine. Do no insult my intelligence, as it seems your reading comprehension is lacking much more than mine.

so if i say "dude, this adventure game is awesome man, you should really try it out" your gonna sit there and tell me that you know that i'm playing a point and click game?

HOW? are you saying that point and click games are the only adventure games?

how games are classified are by the GAMEPLAY....once again and hopefully for the FINAL time....ADVENTURE IS NOT A FORM OF GAMEPLAY, THUS IS WHY TERMS LIKE "ACTION" ADVENTURE WERE BROUGHT ABOUT

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

i said you can't call a game as JUST adventure

it has to have some kind of adjective before it to tell us about the gameplay as adventure tells us NOTHING about the gameplay

jeez...am i talking too fast for you or what? i can slow it down

CDUB316

But point and click is not another genre. The point and click games are adventure, and you stated strictly that adventure games no longer exist.

I have kept up with you just fine. Do no insult my intelligence, as it seems your reading comprehension is lacking much more than mine.

so if i say "dude, this adventure game is awesome man, you should really try it out" your gonna sit there and tell me that you know that i'm playing a point and click game?

HOW? are you saying that point and click games are the only adventure games?

how games are classified are by the GAMEPLAY....once again and hopefully for the FINAL time....ADVENTURE IS NOT A FORM OF GAMEPLAY, THUS IS WHY TERMS LIKE "ACTION" ADVENTURE WERE BROUGHT ABOUT

Because adventure is the genre, things like point and click and action adventure are sub genres.

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

i said you can't call a game as JUST adventure

it has to have some kind of adjective before it to tell us about the gameplay as adventure tells us NOTHING about the gameplay

jeez...am i talking too fast for you or what? i can slow it down

CDUB316

But point and click is not another genre. The point and click games are adventure, and you stated strictly that adventure games no longer exist.

I have kept up with you just fine. Do no insult my intelligence, as it seems your reading comprehension is lacking much more than mine.

so if i say "dude, this adventure game is awesome man, you should really try it out" your gonna sit there and tell me that you know that i'm playing a point and click game?

HOW? are you saying that point and click games are the only adventure games?

how games are classified are by the GAMEPLAY....once again and hopefully for the FINAL time....ADVENTURE IS NOT A FORM OF GAMEPLAY, THUS IS WHY TERMS LIKE "ACTION" ADVENTURE WERE BROUGHT ABOUT

You seem to misunderstand what is being said here.

You said adventure games do not exist anymore, yet they do. I gave you the examples. Point and click is just an interface, much like any menu. The game is adventure, that is it's genre. You can cross genres, much like Action/Adventure.

Genre is not classified by simply gameplay, if that were true, how can genres in movies exist? I don't play those.

It's also the story and other individual elements of a game that define it's genre.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

But point and click is not another genre. The point and click games are adventure, and you stated strictly that adventure games no longer exist.

I have kept up with you just fine. Do no insult my intelligence, as it seems your reading comprehension is lacking much more than mine.

Yandere

so if i say "dude, this adventure game is awesome man, you should really try it out" your gonna sit there and tell me that you know that i'm playing a point and click game?

HOW? are you saying that point and click games are the only adventure games?

how games are classified are by the GAMEPLAY....once again and hopefully for the FINAL time....ADVENTURE IS NOT A FORM OF GAMEPLAY, THUS IS WHY TERMS LIKE "ACTION" ADVENTURE WERE BROUGHT ABOUT

Because adventure is the genre, things like point and click and action adventure are sub genres.

which now a days you need to add those sub words with the word adventure

people wanna know what type of adventure game it is....all i'm saying is, you can't just say adventure...it's just not very informative

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[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

so if i say "dude, this adventure game is awesome man, you should really try it out" your gonna sit there and tell me that you know that i'm playing a point and click game?

HOW? are you saying that point and click games are the only adventure games?

how games are classified are by the GAMEPLAY....once again and hopefully for the FINAL time....ADVENTURE IS NOT A FORM OF GAMEPLAY, THUS IS WHY TERMS LIKE "ACTION" ADVENTURE WERE BROUGHT ABOUT

CDUB316

Because adventure is the genre, things like point and click and action adventure are sub genres.

which now a days you need to add those sub words with the word adventure

people wanna know what type of adventure game it is....all i'm saying is, you can't just say adventure...it's just not very informative

This debate was about you classifying everything as technically adventure, it's now evolved into you saying adventure does not exist anymore.

Those are mutually exclusive points.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

But point and click is not another genre. The point and click games are adventure, and you stated strictly that adventure games no longer exist.

I have kept up with you just fine. Do no insult my intelligence, as it seems your reading comprehension is lacking much more than mine.

lundy86_4

so if i say "dude, this adventure game is awesome man, you should really try it out" your gonna sit there and tell me that you know that i'm playing a point and click game?

HOW? are you saying that point and click games are the only adventure games?

how games are classified are by the GAMEPLAY....once again and hopefully for the FINAL time....ADVENTURE IS NOT A FORM OF GAMEPLAY, THUS IS WHY TERMS LIKE "ACTION" ADVENTURE WERE BROUGHT ABOUT

You seem to misunderstand what is being said here.

You said adventure games do not exist anymore, yet they do. I gave you the examples. Point and click is just an interface, much like any menu. The game is adventure, that is it's genre. You can cross genres, much like Action/Adventure.

Genre is not classified by simply gameplay, if that were true, how can genres in movies exist? I don't play those.

It's also the story and other individual elements of a game that define it's genre.

i did NOT say they don't exist....i said you can't just call a game adventure anymore...doens't specify the gameplay

you guys just are seriously not understanding what i'm saying

steam agrees with me....so its' not like i'm alone on this

and don't so that their wrong....cause no one is wrong in how they classify games

i'm not saying you guys are wrong....i just am telling and defending the way i personally classify games and saying that the PC does NOT offer those types of games

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[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Because adventure is the genre, things like point and click and action adventure are sub genres.

lundy86_4

which now a days you need to add those sub words with the word adventure

people wanna know what type of adventure game it is....all i'm saying is, you can't just say adventure...it's just not very informative

This debate was about you classifying everything as technically adventure, it's now evolved into you saying adventure does not exist anymore.

Those are mutually exclusive points.

all i said was every game has a story and every game has an adventure

you guys are taking this WAAAAAAY to seriously

all just because i'm not a PC gamer...damn people

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

which now a days you need to add those sub words with the word adventure

people wanna know what type of adventure game it is....all i'm saying is, you can't just say adventure...it's just not very informative

CDUB316

This debate was about you classifying everything as technically adventure, it's now evolved into you saying adventure does not exist anymore.

Those are mutually exclusive points.

all i said was every game has a story and every game has an adventure

you guys are taking this WAAAAAAY to seriously

all just because i'm not a PC gamer...damn people

You said, and I quote:

"AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc."

There is a thing as JUST adventure. Point and click refers to the interface for the game.

Also Sub-Genres do not exclude their super genre. They are just a further classification.

You are arguing the point back, which means you're taking it seriously aswell :?

I also don't care if you're not a PC gamer.

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

This debate was about you classifying everything as technically adventure, it's now evolved into you saying adventure does not exist anymore.

Those are mutually exclusive points.

lundy86_4

all i said was every game has a story and every game has an adventure

you guys are taking this WAAAAAAY to seriously

all just because i'm not a PC gamer...damn people

You said, and I quote:

"AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc."

There is a thing as JUST adventure. Point and click refers to the interface for the game.

Also Sub-Genres do not exclude their super genre. They are just a further classification.

You are arguing the point back, which means you're taking it seriously aswell :?

I also don't care if you're not a PC gamer.

i said JUST adventure...meaning there is still adventure games

no where did i use the word...exist

you just misunderstood i guess?

besides, again...i'm not saying this is how EVERYONE classifies games, just saying this is how i do it and that PC games don't offer these types of games

THE FREAKING END!!!

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

so then steam is wrong for putting GTAIV under the adventure category?

Yandere

It's incorrect, Steam doesn't put all their games into their exact corresponding sub genres.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

which now a days you need to add those sub words with the word adventure

people wanna know what type of adventure game it is....all i'm saying is, you can't just say adventure...it's just not very informative

CDUB316

This debate was about you classifying everything as technically adventure, it's now evolved into you saying adventure does not exist anymore.

Those are mutually exclusive points.

all i said was every game has a story and every game has an adventure

you guys are taking this WAAAAAAY to seriously

all just because i'm not a PC gamer...damn people

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

so then steam is wrong for putting GTAIV under the adventure category?

Dystopian-X

It's incorrect, Steam doesn't put all their games into their exact corresponding sub genres.

THANK YOU!!!

and in platformers...you don't always jump either

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

all i said was every game has a story and every game has an adventure

you guys are taking this WAAAAAAY to seriously

all just because i'm not a PC gamer...damn people

CDUB316

You said, and I quote:

"AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc."

There is a thing as JUST adventure. Point and click refers to the interface for the game.

Also Sub-Genres do not exclude their super genre. They are just a further classification.

You are arguing the point back, which means you're taking it seriously aswell :?

I also don't care if you're not a PC gamer.

i said JUST adventure...meaning there is still adventure games

no where did i use the word...exist

you just misunderstood i guess?

besides, again...i'm not saying this is how EVERYONE classifies games, just saying this is how i do it and that PC games don't offer these types of games

THE FREAKING END!!!

How can there be no such thing as JUST adventure, when you just said there are still adventure games. I never said you said the exact word "exist", what are you talking about?

I understoond perfectly.

Huh? Yes PC does offer these games.

By your definition of adventure, another poster said to you that pretty much every PC game could be classed as adventure, which means, it outnumers console games.

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

You said, and I quote:

"AGAIN, there is no such thing as JUST adventure anymore....almost all games YES have an adventure, a story to be told

BUT we classify them as the gameplay....platforming, FPS, etc."

There is a thing as JUST adventure. Point and click refers to the interface for the game.

Also Sub-Genres do not exclude their super genre. They are just a further classification.

You are arguing the point back, which means you're taking it seriously aswell :?

I also don't care if you're not a PC gamer.

lundy86_4

i said JUST adventure...meaning there is still adventure games

no where did i use the word...exist

you just misunderstood i guess?

besides, again...i'm not saying this is how EVERYONE classifies games, just saying this is how i do it and that PC games don't offer these types of games

THE FREAKING END!!!

How can there be no such thing as JUST adventure, when you just said there are still adventure games. I never said you said the exact word "exist", what are you talking about?

I understoond perfectly.

Huh? Yes PC does offer these games.

By your definition of adventure, another poster said to you that pretty much every PC game could be classed as adventure, which means, it outnumers console games.

yawn

i'm bored...how long have we been arguing

my butt hurts right now

i hate SW...one minute it's 2:30, then it's 5:30

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

i said JUST adventure...meaning there is still adventure games

no where did i use the word...exist

you just misunderstood i guess?

besides, again...i'm not saying this is how EVERYONE classifies games, just saying this is how i do it and that PC games don't offer these types of games

THE FREAKING END!!!

CDUB316

How can there be no such thing as JUST adventure, when you just said there are still adventure games. I never said you said the exact word "exist", what are you talking about?

I understoond perfectly.

Huh? Yes PC does offer these games.

By your definition of adventure, another poster said to you that pretty much every PC game could be classed as adventure, which means, it outnumers console games.

yawn

i'm bored...how long have we been arguing

my butt hurts right now

i hate SW...one minute it's 2:30, then it's 5:30

Ahhhh. Fair enough if you want to withdraw, and no, it hasn't been that long.

It just goes to show that you failed to refute my points.

Your arguments flip flops more than a fish out of water.

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

How can there be no such thing as JUST adventure, when you just said there are still adventure games. I never said you said the exact word "exist", what are you talking about?

I understoond perfectly.

Huh? Yes PC does offer these games.

By your definition of adventure, another poster said to you that pretty much every PC game could be classed as adventure, which means, it outnumers console games.

lundy86_4

yawn

i'm bored...how long have we been arguing

my butt hurts right now

i hate SW...one minute it's 2:30, then it's 5:30

Ahhhh. Fair enough if you want to withdraw, and no, it hasn't been that long.

It just goes to show that you failed to refute my points.

Your arguments flip flops more than a fish out of water.

nope, it doesn't...you just refuse to see it in my point of view and your blinded by just your way

it's like trying to argue religion, if you don't have an open mind you dont' fully understand what the other person is trying to say...you just replace it with what you want them to say so you can automatically disagree

once again...this was MY view of how I classify games...NOT YOU

you can't argue someone else's point of view...it's theirs, not yours

i was just defending my views is all because someone need to tell me i was wrong, idk who started all this

alls i know....is that steam agrees...WOOT

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

yawn

i'm bored...how long have we been arguing

my butt hurts right now

i hate SW...one minute it's 2:30, then it's 5:30

CDUB316

Ahhhh. Fair enough if you want to withdraw, and no, it hasn't been that long.

It just goes to show that you failed to refute my points.

Your arguments flip flops more than a fish out of water.

nope, it doesn't...you just refuse to see it in my point of view and your blinded by just your way

it's like trying to argue religion, if you don't have an open mind you dont' fully understand what the other person is trying to say...you just replace it with what you want them to say so you can automatically disagree

once again...this was MY view of how I classify games...NOT YOU

you can't argue someone else's point of view...it's theirs, not yours

i was just defending my views is all because someone need to tell me i was wrong, idk who started all this

alls i know....is that steam agrees...WOOT

No I listened, and it didn't make sense. My mind is open, to things that make sense, otherwise I wouldn't be a Poli Sci major in university.

You can argue point of view if the definiton a.) doesn't make sense or b.) is clearly incorrect as has been established by a very, very old way of categorizing things.

Steam agrees? Companies haven't made mistakes?

No company listed Mass Effect for the PS3 right? Oh wait!

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also, the same can be said with RPG's

technically most games are RPG's cause you play the ROLE of someone else...but most people call games with turn based elements and stat raising elements RPG's and not games like FPS's

so a game like halo...technically it's part RPG and adventure....BUT the main part of the game is in fact shooting...so we can call it an FPS

this is why i classify platformers as adventure games now.....RPG and adventure are two terms that dont' mean what everyone classifies them to be....but that's too difficult, so we just call the game by whatever we do most in the game...in terms of halo, we shoot in the first person view

but RPG still is more commonly used for turn based games and such

adventure however has turned into something more and simply just can not be classified as just that...needs something more

CDUB316

your taking how i classify games too literally