Is the DVD9 format a hassle to compress all the data in such a "little&quot

DVD9 is good enough. I don't think theres even half-a-dozen 360 games on multiple discs. More space would be great, but DVD is gettin it done for now.beast667

They just end up making the games shorter, 2 discs cost lots of royalty rights. Plus games like GTA4 you really can't use multiple discs thats why the city ended up being so small and had less things to do than GTA SA

[QUOTE="nZiFFLe"]

Most multiplatform devs don't even take advantage of the PS3 blu ray since 360 is usually the lead console. In some ways, the 360 is holding the PS3's full potential back. That's why 1st party PS3 games look so great because the dev takes full use of the blu ray disc. I think it's only a matter of time when devs will want to use more space and eventually switch lead to the PS3. Space is going to be a problem for the 360, a great example of this is DAO.

Casual_Gamer_

It doesn't neccesarly mean better graphics. When devs start wanting more space they will have to compress everything to fit the game on the 360, hindering the graphics, while the PS3 versions of the game will have more space available to the developers. IE. DAO

Multiple discs and MS allowing mandatory installs for some games is a simple solution to any of this.

Also, when you think about it, there's no reason a dev can't ship on multiple discs and have different levels of quality. Like average quality textures and sound on disc 1, and high quality textures and sound on install disc 2. The people with hdd's can install and have better texture quality.

Bioware seems to have done fine with ME2. 20+ hrs. of gameplay and gfx like this...

The real problem isn't DVD9. It's MS with their extra royalty fees for multi discs.

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I've been thinking 8,5 GB is not enough anymore, maybe Ms should really adopt bluray in the future?

2scoopsofempty

Multiple discs and MS allowing mandatory installs for some games is a simple solution to any of this.

Also, when you think about it, there's no reason a dev can't ship on multiple discs and have different levels of quality. Like average quality textures and sound on disc 1, and high quality textures and sound on install disc 2. The people with hdd's can install and have better texture quality.

Bioware seems to have done fine with ME2. 20+ hrs. of gameplay and gfx like this...The real problem isn't DVD9. It's MS with their extra royalty fees for multi discs.

gamecubepad

MS will adopt Blu-Ray for their next-gen system in 2012 since many people around the world won't have internet speeds to allow download of 25GB+ games. Also, MS probably doesn't want to piss off retailers. Many retailers aren't stocking the PSPgo because games for it won't be sold in stores.

Games like Crysis and The Witcher say otherwise.....

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="Casual_Gamer_"] all games would be PS3 exclusive and would start to make proper use of the cell. right now only the CPU is running most multiplat games on PS3, without even using all the SPE's that the cell offers. This is because they are designed for use of the 360 cores, but bioware has opened the floodgates for 3rd party devs to actually use the SPEs, i just hope they do it.mbrockway

The only reason DA looks better on PS3 is because of Bluray. Its a 20gb game squished down to fit in 6.8gb on the 360. The PS3 textures didn't have to be compressed, all PS3's have hard drives for cache'ing, and Bioware probably also repeated game files on the disc in such a way as to reduce seek (load) times. The bluray space allowed them to do this. Even installed to the hard drive the 360 version loads slower than the PS3. So wow, omg, Bluray = better graphics. This time.

The storage medium has nothing to do with visual output, thats all rendered by the hardware, unless somehow they figured out a way to put a GPU on a Blu-Ray disc....

ye but ppl here dont get that blu-ray actually = better graphics.Casual_Gamer_

No, the consoles can only handle so much textures. With a 256MB of ram there's a limit.

BTW, 360 does have a superior GPU, and a inferior GPU, making PS3's and X360's output limit pretty much equal. PS3 does indeed has the advantage of Blu-Ray though.

Multiple discs and MS allowing mandatory installs for some games is a simple solution to any of this.

Also, when you think about it, there's no reason a dev can't ship on multiple discs and have different levels of quality. Like average quality textures and sound on disc 1, and high quality textures and sound on install disc 2. The people with hdd's can install and have better texture quality.

Bioware seems to have done fine with ME2. 20+ hrs. of gameplay and gfx like this...

The real problem isn't DVD9. It's MS with their extra royalty fees for multi discs.

gamecubepad

MS doesn't charge developer royaltie fees per disk. The only reason why people believe this was a misunderstanding of what I.D had claimed about rage, which was later clarified.

Honestly, having a DVD drive doesn't make too big of a difference. The usage of multiple disks is fine, as long as you take care of your disks properly.

Most multiplatform devs don't even take advantage of the PS3 blu ray since 360 is usually the lead console. In some ways, the 360 is holding the PS3's full potential back. That's why 1st party PS3 games look so great because the dev takes full use of the blu ray disc. I think it's only a matter of time when devs will want to use more space and eventually switch lead to the PS3. Space is going to be a problem for the 360, a great example of this is DAO.

nZiFFLe

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[QUOTE="93soccer"] Dude do you work for any developers? No, alright, then how would you know what the devs are using to create their games? and you can't possible believe that if MS was to fail, every game would be PS3 exclusive, there's a little machine called the PC and a littler machine with weaker hardware called the Wii ;)Nagidar

The only reason DA looks better on PS3 is because of Bluray. Its a 20gb game squished down to fit in 6.8gb on the 360. The PS3 textures didn't have to be compressed, all PS3's have hard drives for cache'ing, and Bioware probably also repeated game files on the disc in such a way as to reduce seek (load) times. The bluray space allowed them to do this. Even installed to the hard drive the 360 version loads slower than the PS3. So wow, omg, Bluray = better graphics. This time.

The storage medium has nothing to do with visual output, thats all rendered by the hardware, unless somehow they figured out a way to put a GPU on a Blu-Ray disc....

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i installed borderlands to my 360 hdd and even with game saves it clocks in at 3.3 gig... seriously, other than for movies why did we need a larger storage format?

SpruceCaboose