Is the PC argument moot if GPU prices stay this high?

@GarGx1: Yes I have.. and it looks nearly identical to the X1X version.

@NoodleFighter: Of the gifs you posted what is the game with the Asian artstyle? I also noticed you had Lineage 3 on there. Would be nice if it actually comes out sometime its been in development for over a decade.

Mining is a bubble and every bubble busts eventually.

I think the most that can be done regarding the pricing of GPUs is to hope that Intel brings the RX Vega M powered Intel Core processors to the desktop market; can't mine cryptocurrency on an APU. In fact, I can't help but think that the AMD/Intel partnership happened because of the bitcoin controversy.

Don't forget how huge the PC gaming demographic is. In China alone there is at least 300 million PC gamers, this isn't even counting South Korea and most of Southeast Asia which are all mostly PC and Mobile gaming territories. The genre those regions play the most is MMORPGs. If there wasn't the need for that many MMOs then there wouldn't be so many. Not everyone is going to like the same MMO and eventually some will get tired of it or become interested in another and move onto a new one which is why some MMOs even get sequels. MMOs actually have stories believe it or not that some people play for as well and some MMOs are more story driven than others. Some MMOs do the fantasy life and social hub better than others. Then there is also the different types of combat and other gameplay elements that can vary in MMOs. MMORPGs are easily the biggest and most popular genre in gaming. In 2012 Steam reached 6 million concurrent meanwhile in China alone that same year Dungeon Fighter Online had 3 million conccurent users. A single MMO with just one countries userbase easily had half of Steam's concurrent users despite being available in many different countries with several games not needing to be in game to count as concurrent. Gaming events like Chinajoy and GSTAR are easily some of the biggest events in gaming some may argue even bigger than E3 yet most of the games shown are MMOs or are at the very least online titles and 99% of those games being announced and shown are only for PC and mobile.

If you think just having a handful of MMOs is good enough then you don't know that is one of the prime reasons why consoles have hardly made a dent in the Chinese and South Korean gaming market. Many gamers from those regions have complained about consoles severely lacking the types of games they like to play on their PCs or mobile devices and MMOs are a prime genre they're missing.

The Asian/Wuxia style game is Faith Of Danschant, a singleplayer RPG with JRPG like turn based combat. Its the first ever AAA Chinese game to use Unreal Engine 4 and its only for PC. We may see a lot more games like this for the PC in the future as China's market for premium/standalone games is rapidly increasing.

Lineage Eternal was in its closed beta phase in 2015 but by 2016 the game was scrapped because it received heavy negative complaints about the character/squad squad swap in system, so NCSoft decided to scrap it and rebuilt the game on UE4 for better visuals since they're trying to compete with Lost Ark.

@NoodleFighter: Well you do realize consoles were illegal in China untill a few years ago. Thats mainly why they havent caught on. And Project LT (which is the game im most interested in that you posted) is coming to PS4/XB1.

Yeah this guy thinks otherwise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA191JrWn7s

I think he is right. The videocard companies are going to be charging more for videocards in the future. There is a demand for them otherwise they wouldn't be selling out and not just for bitcoin mining either. You are going to see a 10% increase from now on even after the crash if there is one.

Pretty confident call based on a small time youtube channel as evidence.

Here, use this instead, https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/video-card/

And this, http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/103399-inflation-adjusted-price-history-high-end-nvidia-gpus-tabulated/

Supply is low right now because of cryptocurrency mining (supply is literally zero at every retailer on the continent). Prices have gone up over $200 since November. There is no market for GPUs at higher prices when supply levels are normal, or retailers would have increased prices a long time ago. Again, basic economics.

Prices have gone up over the past few years due to increased production costs and inflation sure, but that has nothing to do with the current situation. If mining dies down, prices will go back to pre-mining levels (November/December prices). All the guy in the video is saying is that prices won't drop back down to 2016 levels when the Pascal cards first launched, and that's fine. The cost of memory production has gone up. He's wrong in saying that retailers aren't to blame for the price increases. Most of the manufacturers have said they haven't raised their selling price to retailers.

If the bubble bursts, prices will also be forced down by used cards. Tens of thousands of used cards flooding the market from miners would greatly reduce demand on new cards, thus bringing prices down in a hurry.

@loganx77: I'm aware of consoles being banned until a few years ago but that even proves my point more, they've become so enamored with the types of games PC offers that since consoles severely lack them there is not enough reason for them to get one and PC already has the types of console games they're interested in. Sony and Microsoft rushed in soon as the ban was lifted without trying to understand the demographic which is why the sales of their consoles have been slow over there. I think Nintendo will be the first to make any actual sort of real dent in the market since they're working with Tencent and are going to bring one of China's biggest mobile gaming titles to the Switch. The Nintendo Switch doesn't try hard to be like PC and its portability should make it appealing for Asian devs to port their mobile games over to it.

As far as I know there has been no actual confirmation of Project TL coming to consoles and if it does it will most likely be after the PC version is done in the West so its still gonna come out at a much later date than its PC version.

Get Ready for Most Cryptocurrencies to Hit Zero, Goldman Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-07/get-ready-for-most-cryptocurrencies-to-hit-zero-goldman-says

A lot of people going to be panic selling their nice shiny new GPU's soon

I don't know about buying a used six month card that has been running 24 hours a day in a mining rig. It could fail on you.

It also has 3 year warranty

Are those warranties transferable?

Most are.

I might buy one then. I made the mistake not buying a new one last Nov.

Of course you can mine with the Vega M GPU. What would make you think that you can't? Hell, it's not even an APU because the GPU is a separate chip with its own memory.

Video cards are among the most resilient components I've seen. I still have a GeForce FX 5200 from 2003.

I have no problems buying a used one if it wasn't overclocked and the price is dirt cheap. From my experience, the part of a video card most likely to fail over time and hard use is the cooling fan. Looking at newegg.com, there shouldn't be a problem finding replacements.