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#101 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] I see you haven't read the latter posts, have you? Your troll rating excuse might make sense if you were defending Uncharted 2 + 3, as both those games had ratings from 360 fanboys. However, that excuse is illegitimate when talking about Gears 3 and Reach, as both these games didn't have a single troll review. I tell you xbots again and again, read the **** thing before pulling out the troll rating card as your excuse.BattlefieldFan1

no. i did read through them but seeing you brush it off is quite silly. you think for some reason that 360 fanboys would post troll scores and ps3 fanboys wouldn't? no score of zero or oneislegitimate no matter how you hide it.

why are you calling me an xbot? :|

*yawn* Not seeing any troll reviews. Try again.

you don't see any zeroes or ones? :|

and again, why are you calling me an xbot?

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#102 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i did not know that. i suppose there's no harm in me trying, though.

BattlefieldFan1

here is what i posted last night before i came to the conclusion that dude is just totally delusional and completely ruled by emotion and gave up.

user reviews are notorious for being bad in all kinds of different ways.

here is scientific americans article on it.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=manipulation-of-the-crowd

Web sites such as Amazon, TripAdvisor and Yelp have long depended on customers to rate books, hotels and restaurants. The philosophy behind this so-called crowdsourcing strategy holds that the truest and most accurate evaluations will come from aggregating the opinions of a large and diverse group of people. Yet a closer look reveals that the wisdom of crowds may neither be wise nor necessarily made by a crowd. Its judgments are inaccurate at best, fraudulent at worst.

and this from the information ethics roundtable at the university of arizona

Gaming the System: A Case Study
Manipulation of Online Consumer Reviews

http://www.u.arizona.edu/~bfulton/ierposter/

the problem is so bad that for you to even get the actual business specific scientific papers that break down the problem you have to read through things like this:

Built upon the discretionary accrual-based earnings management framework, our paper develops a discretionary manipulation proxy to study the management of online reviews. We reveal that fraudulent review manipulation is a serious problem for 1) non-bestseller books; 2) books whose reviews are **** fied as not very helpful; 3) books that experience greater variability in the helpfulness of their online reviews; and 4) popular books as well as high-priced books. We also show that review management decreases with the passage of time. Just like fraudulent earnings management, manipulated online reviews reflect inauthentic information from which consumers might derive wrong valuation especially for books with the above characteristics and be persuaded to purchase the wrong item. The findings from this research sound a note of caution for all consumers that make use of online reviews of books for making purchases and encourage them to delve deeper into the reviews without getting trapped in their fraudulent manipulation.

and give them money.

ok, so this specific one is for books but the same process happens to other media and i am sure they charge for dry academic analysis of those too.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167923610001375

Yeah, you definitely lack logic. I love how you try to simplify an complex process by calling it off as "troll reviews skewing score". There are anomalies, and gears 3 and reach reviews were anomalies.

hey everybody look at me! i have no idea on how quotations work now it is time for a rant on gears of war woop woop!

:lol:

thanks for helping me make my point.

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#103 BattlefieldFan1
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[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

no. i did read through them but seeing you brush it off is quite silly. you think for some reason that 360 fanboys would post troll scores and ps3 fanboys wouldn't? no score of zero or oneislegitimate no matter how you hide it.

why are you calling me an xbot? :|

CaseyWegner

*yawn* Not seeing any troll reviews. Try again.

you don't see any zeroes or ones? :|

and again, why are you calling me an xbot?

If it's impossible for a game to get a 0 or 1, why would such ratings exist? Could it be that some people genuinely hated the game with all their might? There are a total of 14 0s and 1 1, and each of those reviews outlined what they hated about the game. I said this over and over again, there are no troll reviews, but I can see that you definitely are one.
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[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]here is what i posted last night before i came to the conclusion that dude is just totally delusional and completely ruled by emotion and gave up.

user reviews are notorious for being bad in all kinds of different ways.

here is scientific americans article on it.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=manipulation-of-the-crowd

Web sites such as Amazon, TripAdvisor and Yelp have long depended on customers to rate books, hotels and restaurants. The philosophy behind this so-called crowdsourcing strategy holds that the truest and most accurate evaluations will come from aggregating the opinions of a large and diverse group of people. Yet a closer look reveals that the wisdom of crowds may neither be wise nor necessarily made by a crowd. Its judgments are inaccurate at best, fraudulent at worst.

and this from the information ethics roundtable at the university of arizona

Gaming the System: A Case Study
Manipulation of Online Consumer Reviews

http://www.u.arizona.edu/~bfulton/ierposter/

the problem is so bad that for you to even get the actual business specific scientific papers that break down the problem you have to read through things like this:

Built upon the discretionary accrual-based earnings management framework, our paper develops a discretionary manipulation proxy to study the management of online reviews. We reveal that fraudulent review manipulation is a serious problem for 1) non-bestseller books; 2) books whose reviews are **** fied as not very helpful; 3) books that experience greater variability in the helpfulness of their online reviews; and 4) popular books as well as high-priced books. We also show that review management decreases with the passage of time. Just like fraudulent earnings management, manipulated online reviews reflect inauthentic information from which consumers might derive wrong valuation especially for books with the above characteristics and be persuaded to purchase the wrong item. The findings from this research sound a note of caution for all consumers that make use of online reviews of books for making purchases and encourage them to delve deeper into the reviews without getting trapped in their fraudulent manipulation.

and give them money.

ok, so this specific one is for books but the same process happens to other media and i am sure they charge for dry academic analysis of those too.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167923610001375

Riverwolf007

Yeah, you definitely lack logic. I love how you try to simplify an complex process by calling it off as "troll reviews skewing score". There are anomalies, and gears 3 and reach reviews were anomalies.

hey everybody look at me! i have no idea on how quotations work now it is time for a rant on gears of war woop woop!

:lol:

thanks for helping me make my point.

As we all can see, this is a troll avoiding the question. You can't admit the fact that gears 3 and reach were both mediocre at best and that the average 360 user admits it. Please, no crying and try to control yourself. And go see a psychiatrist. Your conspiracy theory garbage is growing boring and stale. At least come up with a new, more plausible excuse.
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#107 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] Yeah, you definitely lack logic. I love how you try to simplify an complex process by calling it off as "troll reviews skewing score". There are anomalies, and gears 3 and reach reviews were anomalies.BattlefieldFan1

hey everybody look at me! i have no idea on how quotations work now it is time for a rant on gears of war woop woop!

:lol:

thanks for helping me make my point.

As we all can see, this is a troll avoiding the question. You can't admit the fact that gears 3 and reach were both mediocre at best and that the average 360 user admits it. Please, no crying and try to control yourself. And go see a psychiatrist. Your conspiracy theory garbage is growing boring and stale. At least come up with a new, more plausible excuse.

maybe they are mediocre, all i did was play through the co-op with some friends have a few laughs and forget about them.

it is like you think if you insult some old game i am done with it hurts me in some way.

what a funny little person you are.

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#108 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] *yawn* Not seeing any troll reviews. Try again.BattlefieldFan1

you don't see any zeroes or ones? :|

and again, why are you calling me an xbot?

If it's impossible for a game to get a 0 or 1, why would such ratings exist? Could it be that some people genuinely hated the game with all their might? There are a total of 14 0s and 1 1, and each of those reviews outlined what they hated about the game. I said this over and over again, there are no troll reviews, but I can see that you definitely are one.

outlining why they hated it doesn't mean it's not a troll review. you can type whatever you want and then attach any score to it. show me some of these uncharted reviewsthat you consider to be troll reviews.

i'm definitely a troll review?

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#109 BattlefieldFan1
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[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]hey everybody look at me! i have no idea on how quotations work now it is time for a rant on gears of war woop woop!

:lol:

thanks for helping me make my point.

Riverwolf007

As we all can see, this is a troll avoiding the question. You can't admit the fact that gears 3 and reach were both mediocre at best and that the average 360 user admits it. Please, no crying and try to control yourself. And go see a psychiatrist. Your conspiracy theory garbage is growing boring and stale. At least come up with a new, more plausible excuse.

maybe they are mediocre, all i did was play through the co-op with some friends have a few laughs and forget about them.

it is like you think if you insult some old game i am done with it hurts me in some way.

what a funny little person you are.

Wait, so your personal experience coincides with the user ratings. The game sucks, which is why you played through it for a few hours and threw it to the heap, never to touch it again. If your personal experiences don't correlate to those 90+ "professional" scores that gears 3 got, why do you trust them more than user reviews, which gave it a 7.5. It seems to me that in your case, gears 3 was a 7.5, which reinforces my belief that user reviews are more accurate to the average gamer than "pro" reviewers.
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#110 BattlefieldFan1
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[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you don't see any zeroes or ones? :|

and again, why are you calling me an xbot?

CaseyWegner

If it's impossible for a game to get a 0 or 1, why would such ratings exist? Could it be that some people genuinely hated the game with all their might? There are a total of 14 0s and 1 1, and each of those reviews outlined what they hated about the game. I said this over and over again, there are no troll reviews, but I can see that you definitely are one.

outlining why they hated it doesn't mean it's not a troll review. you can type whatever you want and then attach any score to it. show me some of these uncharted reviewsthat you consider to be troll reviews.

i'm definitely a troll review?

Ahh, once again, you use your conspiracy theory nonsense to try to save face. You really think hundreds of people spent hours researching this game just to write a lengthy review about why they hated and give specific facts about the game just to give this a low score to bring the average down to 7.5? Yeah, you definitely need to go see a psychiatrist.
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#111 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] Yeah, you definitely lack logic. I love how you try to simplify an complex process by calling it off as "troll reviews skewing score". There are anomalies, and gears 3 and reach reviews were anomalies.BattlefieldFan1

hey everybody look at me! i have no idea on how quotations work now it is time for a rant on gears of war woop woop!

:lol:

thanks for helping me make my point.

As we all can see, this is a troll avoiding the question. You can't admit the fact that gears 3 and reach were both mediocre at best and that the average 360 user admits it. Please, no crying and try to control yourself. And go see a psychiatrist. Your conspiracy theory garbage is growing boring and stale. At least come up with a new, more plausible excuse.

is the average 360 user an average of the 360 users? that's what you are suggesting by looking at an average of scores. as i mentioned, the game has an overwhelming number of positive scores and a relatively low number of negative scores. the "mixed reviews" are the smallest section of all so i ask again, what are you trying to prove?

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[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]hey everybody look at me! i have no idea on how quotations work now it is time for a rant on gears of war woop woop!

:lol:

thanks for helping me make my point.

CaseyWegner

As we all can see, this is a troll avoiding the question. You can't admit the fact that gears 3 and reach were both mediocre at best and that the average 360 user admits it. Please, no crying and try to control yourself. And go see a psychiatrist. Your conspiracy theory garbage is growing boring and stale. At least come up with a new, more plausible excuse.

is the average 360 user an average of the 360 users? that's what you are suggesting by looking at an average of scores. as i mentioned, the game has an overwhelming number of positive scores and a relatively low number of negative scores. the "mixed reviews" are the smallest section of all so i ask again, what are you trying to prove?

That's what we can assume at best. The consumer knows only 2 things about games: Is it good or does it suck? There is rarely any in between. Even if the game felt meh/average to you, the average gamer will give it a 0-5. The average of those scores would give a somewhat accurate gauge of how you'll feel once you've played the game.
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#113 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] If it's impossible for a game to get a 0 or 1, why would such ratings exist? Could it be that some people genuinely hated the game with all their might? There are a total of 14 0s and 1 1, and each of those reviews outlined what they hated about the game. I said this over and over again, there are no troll reviews, but I can see that you definitely are one.BattlefieldFan1

outlining why they hated it doesn't mean it's not a troll review. you can type whatever you want and then attach any score to it. show me some of these uncharted reviewsthat you consider to be troll reviews.

i'm definitely a troll review?

Ahh, once again, you use your conspiracy theory nonsense to try to save face. You really think hundreds of people spent hours researching this game just to write a lengthy review about why they hated and give specific facts about the game just to give this a low score to bring the average down to 7.5? Yeah, you definitely need to go see a psychiatrist.

you don't have to do any research in order to do that. the reviews are so generic. you also think that ps3 fanboys haven't played the game? that's just naive. where are the examples i asked you for? why do you continue to call me a lemming?

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#114 BattlefieldFan1
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outlining why they hated it doesn't mean it's not a troll review. you can type whatever you want and then attach any score to it. show me some of these uncharted reviewsthat you consider to be troll reviews.

i'm definitely a troll review?

CaseyWegner

Ahh, once again, you use your conspiracy theory nonsense to try to save face. You really think hundreds of people spent hours researching this game just to write a lengthy review about why they hated and give specific facts about the game just to give this a low score to bring the average down to 7.5? Yeah, you definitely need to go see a psychiatrist.

you don't have to do any research in order to do that. the reviews are so generic. you also think that ps3 fanboys haven't played the game? that's just naive. where are the examples i asked you for? why do you continue to call me a lemming?

Lol... That's good. At least this is a new one. You think hundreds of PS3 fanboys wasted $60 to play through this game just to know specific details about the game and give it a 0 so they don't seem like troll ratings? Wow, you're definitely creative.
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#115 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] As we all can see, this is a troll avoiding the question. You can't admit the fact that gears 3 and reach were both mediocre at best and that the average 360 user admits it. Please, no crying and try to control yourself. And go see a psychiatrist. Your conspiracy theory garbage is growing boring and stale. At least come up with a new, more plausible excuse.BattlefieldFan1

is the average 360 user an average of the 360 users? that's what you are suggesting by looking at an average of scores. as i mentioned, the game has an overwhelming number of positive scores and a relatively low number of negative scores. the "mixed reviews" are the smallest section of all so i ask again, what are you trying to prove?

That's what we can assume at best. The consumer knows only 2 things about games: Is it good or does it suck? There is rarely any in between. Even if the game felt meh/average to you, the average gamer will give it a 0-5. The average of those scores would give a somewhat accurate gauge of how you'll feel once you've played the game.

what are you talking about? there are scores of all sorts scattered around for games. people have plenty of varying opinions about them. it's not just "good" or "sucks". look at other sources. the game has a 91% critical average on metacritic and an 89% userscore average here on gamespot. it's more likely that you are trying to push your view of the game on others instead of analyzing what is really out there.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] Ahh, once again, you use your conspiracy theory nonsense to try to save face. You really think hundreds of people spent hours researching this game just to write a lengthy review about why they hated and give specific facts about the game just to give this a low score to bring the average down to 7.5? Yeah, you definitely need to go see a psychiatrist.BattlefieldFan1

you don't have to do any research in order to do that. the reviews are so generic. you also think that ps3 fanboys haven't played the game? that's just naive. where are the examples i asked you for? why do you continue to call me a lemming?

Lol... That's good. At least this is a new one. You think hundreds of PS3 fanboys wasted $60 to play through this game just to know specific details about the game and give it a 0 so they don't seem like troll ratings? Wow, you're definitely creative.

no. i think they spent $60 to play a high scoring game because they wanted to. i don't know where you got what you just said.

where's the evidence i asked for?

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is the average 360 user an average of the 360 users? that's what you are suggesting by looking at an average of scores. as i mentioned, the game has an overwhelming number of positive scores and a relatively low number of negative scores. the "mixed reviews" are the smallest section of all so i ask again, what are you trying to prove?

CaseyWegner

That's what we can assume at best. The consumer knows only 2 things about games: Is it good or does it suck? There is rarely any in between. Even if the game felt meh/average to you, the average gamer will give it a 0-5. The average of those scores would give a somewhat accurate gauge of how you'll feel once you've played the game.

what are you talking about? there are scores of all sorts scattered around for games. people have plenty of varying opinions about them. it's not just "good" or "sucks". look at other sources. the game has a 91% critical average on metacritic and an 89% userscore average here on gamespot. it's more likely that you are trying to push your view of the game on others instead of analyzing what is really out there.

Ahh. There we go. You're starting to understand the concept of anomalies. Bravo, kid. You're smarter than I thought. But in this scenario, I'm talking about most games, not the few that have an even distribution of ratings. Out of the 3 rating categories, mixed is likely to be the least picked.
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you don't have to do any research in order to do that. the reviews are so generic. you also think that ps3 fanboys haven't played the game? that's just naive. where are the examples i asked you for? why do you continue to call me a lemming?

CaseyWegner

Lol... That's good. At least this is a new one. You think hundreds of PS3 fanboys wasted $60 to play through this game just to know specific details about the game and give it a 0 so they don't seem like troll ratings? Wow, you're definitely creative.

no. i think they spent $60 to play a high scoring game because they wanted to. i don't know where you got what you just said.

where's the evidence i asked for?

And they were severely disappointed after completing the game and playing the lackluster multiplayer. You're not helping your argument. Seems to me that you're writing in favor of mine: That professional reviewers don't rate games based on what the average gamer wants.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] That's what we can assume at best. The consumer knows only 2 things about games: Is it good or does it suck? There is rarely any in between. Even if the game felt meh/average to you, the average gamer will give it a 0-5. The average of those scores would give a somewhat accurate gauge of how you'll feel once you've played the game.BattlefieldFan1

what are you talking about? there are scores of all sorts scattered around for games. people have plenty of varying opinions about them. it's not just "good" or "sucks". look at other sources. the game has a 91% critical average on metacritic and an 89% userscore average here on gamespot. it's more likely that you are trying to push your view of the game on others instead of analyzing what is really out there.

Ahh. There we go. You're starting to understand the concept of anomalies. Bravo, kid. You're smarter than I thought. But in this scenario, I'm talking about most games, not the few that have an even distribution of ratings. Out of the 3 rating categories, mixed is likely to be the least picked.

i think you need a lesson on anomalies. the overwhelming majority of people reviewed halo reach favorably. the low scores can be considered anomalies. where are you getting this "most games" nonsense from and where's the evidence i asked for?

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#120 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] Lol... That's good. At least this is a new one. You think hundreds of PS3 fanboys wasted $60 to play through this game just to know specific details about the game and give it a 0 so they don't seem like troll ratings? Wow, you're definitely creative.BattlefieldFan1

no. i think they spent $60 to play a high scoring game because they wanted to. i don't know where you got what you just said.

where's the evidence i asked for?

And they were severely disappointed after completing the game and playing the lackluster multiplayer. You're not helping your argument. Seems to me that you're writing in favor of mine: That professional reviewers don't rate games based on what the average gamer wants.

how do you know they were severely disappointed by halo reach? why are those low scores legitimate while the low scores, troll reviews, thatthe uncharted games get (which you still haven't shown me) aren't legitimate? you think there is something fundamentally different between 360 and ps3fanboys? i really wouldn't be saying that other people have conspiracy theories if i were you.

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what are you talking about? there are scores of all sorts scattered around for games. people have plenty of varying opinions about them. it's not just "good" or "sucks". look at other sources. the game has a 91% critical average on metacritic and an 89% userscore average here on gamespot. it's more likely that you are trying to push your view of the game on others instead of analyzing what is really out there.

CaseyWegner

Ahh. There we go. You're starting to understand the concept of anomalies. Bravo, kid. You're smarter than I thought. But in this scenario, I'm talking about most games, not the few that have an even distribution of ratings. Out of the 3 rating categories, mixed is likely to be the least picked.

i think you need a lesson on anomalies. the overwhelming majority of people reviewed halo reach favorably. the low scores can be considered anomalies. where are you getting this "most games" nonsense from and where's the evidence i asked for?

Just go search up the most popular games. It's a trend. Uncharted 1, 2 and 3 Infamous 1 + 2 Heavy Rain LBP 1 + 2 And so on and so forth. And there were 252 reviews that weren't favorable out of 1099 ratings. That's around 23%. You think fanboys wouldn't give this game a 10? They're diehard xbots and are chemically imbalanced and on the verge of breakdown. They have to give this a 10 because it's their last chance at showing the rest of the gaming world that they have something good to play, but that still failed miserably. In the end, the truth prevailed and that game got what it deserved: a 7.6.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] Ahh. There we go. You're starting to understand the concept of anomalies. Bravo, kid. You're smarter than I thought. But in this scenario, I'm talking about most games, not the few that have an even distribution of ratings. Out of the 3 rating categories, mixed is likely to be the least picked.BattlefieldFan1

i think you need a lesson on anomalies. the overwhelming majority of people reviewed halo reach favorably. the low scores can be considered anomalies. where are you getting this "most games" nonsense from and where's the evidence i asked for?

Just go search up the most popular games. It's a trend. Uncharted 1, 2 and 3 Infamous 1 + 2 Heavy Rain LBP 1 + 2 And so on and so forth. And there were 252 reviews that weren't favorable out of 1099 ratings. That's around 23%. You think fanboys wouldn't give this game a 10? They're diehard xbots and are chemically imbalanced and on the verge of breakdown. They have to give this a 10 because it's their last chance at showing the rest of the gaming world that they have something good to play, but that still failed miserably. In the end, the truth prevailed and that game got what it deserved: a 7.6.

i have asked you repeatedly for evidence and you have shown me nothing. where is it? you are painting the game with your own opinion. i'm being objective. if you can't provide evidence for what i'm asking for, actual reviews that you consider to be troll reviews, then this "conversation" is over.

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[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i think you need a lesson on anomalies. the overwhelming majority of people reviewed halo reach favorably. the low scores can be considered anomalies. where are you getting this "most games" nonsense from and where's the evidence i asked for?

CaseyWegner

Just go search up the most popular games. It's a trend. Uncharted 1, 2 and 3 Infamous 1 + 2 Heavy Rain LBP 1 + 2 And so on and so forth. And there were 252 reviews that weren't favorable out of 1099 ratings. That's around 23%. You think fanboys wouldn't give this game a 10? They're diehard xbots and are chemically imbalanced and on the verge of breakdown. They have to give this a 10 because it's their last chance at showing the rest of the gaming world that they have something good to play, but that still failed miserably. In the end, the truth prevailed and that game got what it deserved: a 7.6.

i have asked you repeatedly for evidence and you have shown me nothing. where is it? you are painting the game with your own opinion. i'm being objective. if you can't provide evidence for what i'm asking for, actual reviews that you consider to be troll reviews, then this "conversation" is over.

What? I consider any review that doesn't go in depth with what they hated about the game to be troll reviews. I said this before several times. I'm sorry that you have memory problems, but that's not my problem.
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Besides RRoD and costing to play online, the 360 lack of exclusives is what made me decide to get a PS3. PS3 has a lot of exclusives that I want to play that aren't on PC, 360 on the other hand doesn't. Only games it has that I can't get on PC and/or PS3 that I care to play are Gears 2 and Gears 3. I can get the first on PC or I would mention that. 2 and 3 not being on PC is the reason I never bothered with picking up Gears 1.
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#125 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] Just go search up the most popular games. It's a trend. Uncharted 1, 2 and 3 Infamous 1 + 2 Heavy Rain LBP 1 + 2 And so on and so forth. And there were 252 reviews that weren't favorable out of 1099 ratings. That's around 23%. You think fanboys wouldn't give this game a 10? They're diehard xbots and are chemically imbalanced and on the verge of breakdown. They have to give this a 10 because it's their last chance at showing the rest of the gaming world that they have something good to play, but that still failed miserably. In the end, the truth prevailed and that game got what it deserved: a 7.6.BattlefieldFan1

i have asked you repeatedly for evidence and you have shown me nothing. where is it? you are painting the game with your own opinion. i'm being objective. if you can't provide evidence for what i'm asking for, actual reviews that you consider to be troll reviews, then this "conversation" is over.

What? I consider any review that doesn't go in depth with what they hated about the game to be troll reviews. I said this before several times. I'm sorry that you have memory problems, but that's not my problem.

then show me. just so we're on the same page, you're talking abouta review such as the one belowNOT beinga troll review based on your own definition? :|

"why the hell does anyone like halo???one of the worst games in the world ????nd the visuals or graphics not better than any game!!!!!!!!!!!!multiplayer gimme abreak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"

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360 lacks in exclusives because Microsoft doesn't seem to invest heavily enough in exclusive efforts, or cannot attract the studio talent necessary to do so. Halo is without a doubt what you think of when you think Xbox. There never has been much past that. I give the Xbox a pass on this, but 360's lack of exclusives is inexcusable. Everyone expected 2007 to be the norm for 360, but it turned out to be a flash in the pan.
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[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i have asked you repeatedly for evidence and you have shown me nothing. where is it? you are painting the game with your own opinion. i'm being objective. if you can't provide evidence for what i'm asking for, actual reviews that you consider to be troll reviews, then this "conversation" is over.

CaseyWegner

What? I consider any review that doesn't go in depth with what they hated about the game to be troll reviews. I said this before several times. I'm sorry that you have memory problems, but that's not my problem.

then show me.

Let's start with Uncharted 3. Fero512 Jan 27, 2012 0 After great first unchartred and cool second chapter third is boring and all that this game have - GRAFON!!! Story is simple (i'll not make spoilers), gameplay is same with second chapter and all make worth exept grafics (GRAFON). 0 (zero) because ps is not so good after box and fave NOGAEMS/ He probably didn't even play the game, which is why he didn't make specific references to the story line. Just another xbot. cjm1995 Nov 25, 2011 0 Uncharted 3 is just an all around terrible game. The game was short, the gameplay was absolutely awful. There is no way this game lived up to all the hype that was given for it Another bullcrap review from an xbot. There are several others, but I don't want to make a post spanning 10 pages. Here are some legitimate reviews: fourier4234 Nov 18, 2011 1 I was incredibly let down by Uncharted 3, especially in light of the absolutely stellar reviews it has received from places like IGN and Destructoid. While there is no doubt that the game is beautiful and has some stunning set pieces, it has serious gameplay issues. Targeting with a weapon is like trying to precisely measure the position and momentum of a subatomic particle, i.e., it doesn't work. I can't even keep track of how many times I went through entire clips without hitting my target. What makes this worse is that it's what the game forces you to do more than anything else. The entire game follows a pattern: cut scene, wave of enemies, easy puzzle, wave of enemies, escape collapsing set piece, repeat. It gets really old, and frankly, boring (so maybe it's a good thing that the game is noticeably shorter than Uncharted 2). Another aspect of Uncharted 3 that frustrated me immensely was that it forces you to use the melee system (which takes way too long) to fight off the armored "heavies" which appear way too frequently and are essentially immune to firearms while 6 guys with rocket launchers andor sniper rifles are pumping me full of rounds. It's absolutely maddening. Now, I typically play games for the story, and I could have gotten past these serious issues if the story for Uncharted 3 had really grabbed me (I expected that it would based on the reviews I read), but in reality, it was predictable, shallow, and boring. Drake is more of a caricature than ever. We don't learn anything about his motivations. Sure, the question is brought up a few times, but we never get a straight answer. For me, the story was completely forgettable. I can't really comment on the multiplayer because I didn't play it at all. I'm not big on multiplayer, and while I played in the beta, I didn't really get into it. The truth is, as much as it saddens me, as soon as the credits rolled on Uncharted 3, I got online and arranged to sell it back to Amazon. I loved Uncharted 2, and I wanted to love Uncharted 3 it simply doesn't compare to its predecessor. Do you see how he's specific and tells us why he didn't like the game? 3 I recently bought the EXPLORER's edition of this game which, for those who do not know, costed a bit over $200 AU. I was looking forward to a perfectly perfect experience However, this game is far from perfect. I'm a HUGE fan of UC1 and UC2, but this one has been so fraught with technical problems that I can't quite immerse myself like I had hoped. UC3 is playing havoc with my ps3, as well as many others complaining on Naughty Dog forums. Many are experiencing an eternal spinning ring at loading screens. Some, like myself, have CONSTANT audio cut-outs, environment drop-outs, and cutscene freezing issues. As an avid fan of the UC series, I have waited patiently for a month now, HOPING that Naughty Dog would remedy the situation. Unfortunately, the first patch fixed 3D. The second patch added theatre mode for cutscenes, motion blur, and aiming. Naughty Dog has not addressed any issues for those of us who can hardly even PLAY this game. They address complaints about 'oh, I can't aim my gun as well as I should' and 'I can't get my multiplayer to work properly!'... HOW ABOUT ensuring that 100% of your customers can actually PLAY this game, rather than forsaking the minority who get a substandard or even nonexistent experience. UC1 fan. UC2 fan. UC3... has completely destabilized my confidence in the series. Same with this one. Let's move on the Shotguns of Bore 3. Didn't I tell you that usually, gamers vote bad if the game felt meh and highly if it was good? gearsofwarfan Nov 2, 2011 0 This game has a fantastic story. However, the gameplay feels dated compared to most shooters like Uncharted 3 and Call of Duty. I prefer to PLAY games NOT watch them, though I must admit I love Professor Layton games. Anyway, the cut-scenes are incredible and the writing is top-notch. The graphics are unbelievable. I love the effects, and the graphic looks better than most games. Then again, graphics don't make a game. Gameplay makes a game, and this game is seriously lacking. This game kind of reminds me of MGS4, except MGS4 is a masterpiece in BOTH gameplay and cinematics. I commend EPIC for trying to balance cinematics and gameplay, but clearly they fell short femshepka Sep 30, 2011 0 Run, roll and cover Run, roll and cover Run, roll and cover Run, roll and cover Run, roll and cover Run, roll and cover Run, roll and cover Run, roll and cover ileon Sep 29, 2011 0 Really? This is what we get? After 10 minutes all I could think to myself was "this is still Gears 2". Game play mechanics are identical. To its credit, the story telling has been improved, and clearly the story is concluded in this final title of the trilogy. Other than that...why is this $60? Seriously, it's a gun-pack and a map-pack rolled into one, and that's about it. Surprised? Say hello to a million dollar marketing campaign to milk their cash cow. I'll save my money for something original. Dolar Sep 20, 2011 0 Awful game. Once again Epic has hyped up a massive failure of a game. We once again fight the fight of the beefy men(and now women) vs the "bad dudes". The story is stupid and massively cliched. The 45 dollar day one on the disc DLC is just another reason of many to hate this game. Not to mention the other maps on the disc they want you to pay for later. Do yourself a favor, pass on this game. save your money. Wait for one of the many other AAA titles, much better and interested ones, coming out in the next few months. 0 this is a boring brown looking game, with the same gameplay since the first game, with some of the most bland characters and story ever, this is a game that only fans of the franchise can enjoy
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then tell me how these halo reach threads aren't troll reviews...

"why the hell does anyone like halo???one of the worst games in the world ????nd the visuals or graphics not better than any game!!!!!!!!!!!!multiplayer gimme abreak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"

"The worst Halo game added to the series without a doubt. Terrible, cliche and boring campaign. And a gimmicky, CoD style multiplayer. An abomination to what makes a "Halo" game. Its no wonder the population is below 15k on a regular basis. I would not recommend to buy, my disc was destroyed with a sledge hammer."

"I hat gunz. They bleed peepies. I love momy more than gun. They give us fun to. i hat fun. We should give games like pong bettre ratings. im 5 :D. Turn six yesterday fun fun weird :$. I hat gay."

"I'm new to this franchise. not kidding. and so far this game bores me. the campaign is slick so far, but i don't think I'll pick it up once i begin playing a new game. can anyone tell me why this game is worth my time?"

"Halo: Reach Around! Bored yet? I gave 2 but really it at least 4. I played one Halo before on PC and it quite good but I prefer Riven. Whats up with Master Chef? He no cook anything anyway."

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then tell me how these halo reach threads aren't troll reviews...

"why the hell does anyone like halo???one of the worst games in the world ????nd the visuals or graphics not better than any game!!!!!!!!!!!!multiplayer gimme abreak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"

"The worst Halo game added to the series without a doubt. Terrible, cliche and boring campaign. And a gimmicky, CoD style multiplayer. An abomination to what makes a "Halo" game. Its no wonder the population is below 15k on a regular basis. I would not recommend to buy, my disc was destroyed with a sledge hammer."

"I hat gunz. They bleed peepies. I love momy more than gun. They give us fun to. i hat fun. We should give games like pong bettre ratings. im 5 :D. Turn six yesterday fun fun weird :$. I hat gay."

"I'm new to this franchise. not kidding. and so far this game bores me. the campaign is slick so far, but i don't think I'll pick it up once i begin playing a new game. can anyone tell me why this game is worth my time?"

"Halo: Reach Around! Bored yet? I gave 2 but really it at least 4. I played one Halo before on PC and it quite good but I prefer Riven. Whats up with Master Chef? He no cook anything anyway."

CaseyWegner
"why the hell does anyone like halo???one of the worst games in the world ????nd the visuals or graphics not better than any game!!!!!!!!!!!!multiplayer gimme abreak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" - He's right. Most people who don't own Halo don't know that Halo's graphics suck. It's likely that he had to have played it somewhere to know that. "The worst Halo game added to the series without a doubt. Terrible, cliche and boring campaign. And a gimmicky, CoD style multiplayer. An abomination to what makes a "Halo" game. Its no wonder the population is below 15k on a regular basis. I would not recommend to buy, my disc was destroyed with a sledge hammer." - He got specific and compared Halo's multiplayer to CoD, and he's right. It does feel somewhat like CoD. And the population is below 15k on a regular basis. How did he know that? "I hat gunz. They bleed peepies. I love momy more than gun. They give us fun to. i hat fun. We should give games like pong bettre ratings. im 5 . Turn six yesterday fun fun weird :$. I hat gay." -Lol. Funny dude, but unfortunately, still not a troll. As you can see, you hates guns, meaning halo wouldn't be his cup o' tea. Of course he'll give halo a low score. "I'm new to this franchise. not kidding. and so far this game bores me. the campaign is slick so far, but i don't think I'll pick it up once i begin playing a new game. can anyone tell me why this game is worth my time?" - Ok, i'll give you that one. "Halo: Reach Around! Bored yet? I gave 2 but really it at least 4. I played one Halo before on PC and it quite good but I prefer Riven. Whats up with Master Chef? He no cook anything anyway." - Is master chef a character in the game? If so, he must have played it to know that it was a character.
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okay. you're just trolling. all done. i gave you a list of non-specific troll reviews that are just like the ones you presented but you brush them off just because they're about halo reach and not uncharted. bye bye, now.

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#131 BattlefieldFan1
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okay. you're just trolling. all done. i gave you a list of non-specific troll reviews that are just like the ones you presented but you brush them off just because they're about halo reach and not uncharted. bye bye, now.

CaseyWegner
Wrong. Those U3 troll reviews stated NOTHING specific about the game. The ones you listed accurately stated something in the game that points to their most likely having played the game like knowing who Master Chef is and knowing he doesn't cook. Thanks for playing.
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Xbox 360 Exclusives for 2012 (24)

Ryse (exclusive)
Fable Journey (exclusive)
Crimson Dragon (exclusive)
Halo 4 (exclusive)
Dust Elysian Tale (exclusive)
Haunt (exclusive)
Star Wars (exclusive)
Steel Batallion (exclusive)
Battleblock Theater (exclusive)
Bloogforge (exclusive)
****3 Zombi MMO (exclusive)
Diabolical Pitch (exclusive)
Hybrid (exclusive)
Trials Evolution (exclusive)
Alan Wake American Nightmare (exclusive)
Sine Mora (exclusive)
Dead Light (exclusive)
Spelunky (exclusive)
Happy Wars (exclusive)
Mark of the Ninja (exclusive)
Forza Horizon (exclusive)
Kinect Rush (exclusive)
Fable: Heroes (exclusive)
Wreckateer (exclusive)

PC/360 only games

Witcher 2 (PC/360 only)
FEZ (PC/360 only)
Minecraft (PC/360 only)
Owlboy (PC/360 only)
Capsized (PC/360 only)
Dungeon Fighter Live (PC/360 only, enchanced for Live)
Laika Believes (PC/360 only)

PS3/360 only games

FF13-2 (PS3/360 only)
Dragon Dogma (PS3/360 only)
Asura's Wrath (PS3/360 only)
Overstrike (PS3/360 only)
I am alive
Metal Gears Solid Rising
Anarchy Reigns
Azura Wrath
Binary Domain
Armored Core
Devil may cry
Silent Hill downpour
Neverdead
Ninja Gaiden 3
Soul calibur 5
Dead or alive 5

Special cases

Skyrim timed exclusive DLC expansions (timed exclusive)
Ghost Recon: Future Soldier (Kinect exclusive features)
Exclusive Kinect support for Mass Effect 3 (Kinect exclusive features)

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

then tell me how these halo reach threads aren't troll reviews...

"why the hell does anyone like halo???one of the worst games in the world ????nd the visuals or graphics not better than any game!!!!!!!!!!!!multiplayer gimme abreak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"

"The worst Halo game added to the series without a doubt. Terrible, cliche and boring campaign. And a gimmicky, CoD style multiplayer. An abomination to what makes a "Halo" game. Its no wonder the population is below 15k on a regular basis. I would not recommend to buy, my disc was destroyed with a sledge hammer."

"I hat gunz. They bleed peepies. I love momy more than gun. They give us fun to. i hat fun. We should give games like pong bettre ratings. im 5 :D. Turn six yesterday fun fun weird :$. I hat gay."

"I'm new to this franchise. not kidding. and so far this game bores me. the campaign is slick so far, but i don't think I'll pick it up once i begin playing a new game. can anyone tell me why this game is worth my time?"

"Halo: Reach Around! Bored yet? I gave 2 but really it at least 4. I played one Halo before on PC and it quite good but I prefer Riven. Whats up with Master Chef? He no cook anything anyway."

BattlefieldFan1

"why the hell does anyone like halo???one of the worst games in the world ????nd the visuals or graphics not better than any game!!!!!!!!!!!!multiplayer gimme abreak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" - He's right. Most people who don't own Halo don't know that Halo's graphics suck. It's likely that he had to have played it somewhere to know that. "The worst Halo game added to the series without a doubt. Terrible, cliche and boring campaign. And a gimmicky, CoD style multiplayer. An abomination to what makes a "Halo" game. Its no wonder the population is below 15k on a regular basis. I would not recommend to buy, my disc was destroyed with a sledge hammer." - He got specific and compared Halo's multiplayer to CoD, and he's right. It does feel somewhat like CoD. And the population is below 15k on a regular basis. How did he know that? "I hat gunz. They bleed peepies. I love momy more than gun. They give us fun to. i hat fun. We should give games like pong bettre ratings. im 5 . Turn six yesterday fun fun weird :$. I hat gay -Lol. Funny dude, but unfortunately, still not a troll. As you can see, you hates guns, meaning halo wouldn't be his cup o' tea. Of course he'll give halo a low score. "I'm new to this franchise. not kidding. and so far this game bores me. the campaign is slick so far, but i don't think I'll pick it up once i begin playing a new game. can anyone tell me why this game is worth my time?" - Ok, i'll give you that one. "Halo: Reach Around! Bored yet? I gave 2 but really it at least 4. I played one Halo before on PC and it quite good but I prefer Riven. Whats up with Master Chef? He no cook anything anyway." - Is master chef a character in the game? If so, he must have played it to know that it was a character.

that's some epic trollage there battlefield fan

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I'm sorry, but I've never even heard of any of those exclusives games except like 1 or 2. They won't sell well.
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okay. you're just trolling. all done. i gave you a list of non-specific troll reviews that are just like the ones you presented but you brush them off just because they're about halo reach and not uncharted. bye bye, now.

CaseyWegner

blargleblargleblargle! bu bu but the gears and the haloz!!!! they is bad!!!! :lol:

you got totally suckerd into that whole derp filled exchange and look at where it got you. lol.

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Special cases

Skyrim timed exclusive DLC expansions (timed exclusive)
Ghost Recon: Future Soldier (Kinect exclusive features)
Exclusive Kinect support for Mass Effect 3 (Kinect exclusive features)

loosingENDS

that does not make them exclusive. not all that special.

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pc/360 only games suck anyways not a big deal, and not many of them anyways 360 has no game
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#138 clone01
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pc/360 only games suck anyways not a big deal, and not many of them anyways 360 has no gamePinnacleGamingP
I don't envy you, arbitor...you're really missing out. BTW, still waiting on that gamertag.
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[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]pc/360 only games suck anyways not a big deal, and not many of them anyways 360 has no gameclone01
I don't envy you, arbitor...you're really missing out. BTW, still waiting on that gamertag.

Is that really him? :lol:
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#140 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]pc/360 only games suck anyways not a big deal, and not many of them anyways 360 has no gamelawlessx
I don't envy you, arbitor...you're really missing out. BTW, still waiting on that gamertag.

Is that really him? :lol:

A few of us are pretty sure. Notice that he'll run away from any thread where people call him out.
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Loosing be honest for a sec, is that Battlefieldfan1 guy you as well? :) It's doubtful but the possibility exists right? kudos
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Well if major hits like Gears, Halo, Fable and other ''System sellers'' are also on PC, then what does the 360 have besides Halo spinoffs and Forza?

It's Microsoft's fault, they're too focused on Kinect.

DeadMan1290
and yet the funny thing is, it isn't a "fault". It certainly isn't hurting the sales of the 360. How should a business assess itself? By posts of opinions on SW?
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#143 sayyy-gaa
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I'd say MS is the reason the 360 lacks exclusives.

MlauTheDaft

we have a winner!

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pc cant be blamed for microsoft having no development teams.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="BattlefieldFan1"] Ahh. There we go. You're starting to understand the concept of anomalies. Bravo, kid. You're smarter than I thought. But in this scenario, I'm talking about most games, not the few that have an even distribution of ratings. Out of the 3 rating categories, mixed is likely to be the least picked.BattlefieldFan1

i think you need a lesson on anomalies. the overwhelming majority of people reviewed halo reach favorably. the low scores can be considered anomalies. where are you getting this "most games" nonsense from and where's the evidence i asked for?

Just go search up the most popular games. It's a trend. Uncharted 1, 2 and 3 Infamous 1 + 2 Heavy Rain LBP 1 + 2 And so on and so forth. And there were 252 reviews that weren't favorable out of 1099 ratings. That's around 23%. You think fanboys wouldn't give this game a 10? They're diehard xbots and are chemically imbalanced and on the verge of breakdown. They have to give this a 10 because it's their last chance at showing the rest of the gaming world that they have something good to play, but that still failed miserably. In the end, the truth prevailed and that game got what it deserved: a 7.6.

and you accuse other people of being conspiracy nuts, oh the irony!
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#146 Stream_Beta
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I think it is. Many games that 360 users claim to be exclusive, are also on the pc, and many 360 games that were exclusive, usually end up going multiplat. If the pc were to suddenly vanish from the earth, would the 360 library have a much larger, diverse exclusives library?

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rofl, you could say the same thing about the PC, where if the 360 vanished the PC would have a lot

of exclusives. Honestly if the 360 didn't happen at all and it was only PS3, Wii and PC. Majority

of gamers would be playing on the PC.

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#147 mitu123
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I'd say MS is the reason the 360 lacks exclusives.

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This should had ended the thread.
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#148 Snugenz
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="clone01"] I don't envy you, arbitor...you're really missing out. BTW, still waiting on that gamertag.clone01
Is that really him? :lol:

A few of us are pretty sure. Notice that he'll run away from any thread where people call him out.

You gotta give it to him, it takes guts to come back after being so humiliated when we found out he was a mummy/underage loving crazy fanboy man. :lol:

That Battlefieldfan troll, i'm thinking he's also a previous member as most of the most ridiculous trolls usually are... i wonder.

Oh and on topic, the 360 lacks exclusives because MS have stopped making or funding them.

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#149 WilliamRLBaker
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lol your such a fool.
Lets see the 360 still has more exclusive games than the ps3...your just talking about High scoring exclusives regular old exclusive list shows 360 at more, The ps3 didn't beat the 360 till about a year and a half 2 years ago in high scoring exclusives.

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#150 PAL360
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360 has about the same number of A+ real exclusives as PS3. 360/PC games are just a bonus.