Is there any specific reason why people miss out Nintendo when comparing....

When comparing 1st party in 2010?! It seems to me that everytime i see a thread about "Year of PS3/360" that amnesia suddenly falls upon everyone on SW's that Nintendo are still #1 in producing the best overall quality in 1st party gaming. Now i've narrowed it down to 2 things Denial and Denial... Denial that when it comes to bragging rights that X 1st party looks better than Y 1st party that X will always be Nintendo!! Alright they might bea small fish in a big pound and not have as many as development companies to hand work too as both MS and Sony but as soon as Nintendo say "Aye were making XX game" then the whole world gets hyped rather than like sony and MS who only the few get hyped up about.

Now compare all of the 1st party titles between MS, Sony and Nintendo rather than the 2 HD Consoles and alot of people will notice that Nintendo this year has more to offer than SW's as a majority think.

• Super Mario Galaxy 2 with Yoshi,
• New Zelda,
• Metroid Other: M...

Nintendo are releasing their big three this year. Obviously Nintendo are winning first party releases for 2010. Sony and Microsoft don't even compare.

Personally it's easy to forget Nintendo's line up when it's just sequels to pretty old game series. How many Zelda and Mario games have I already played, seen and passed up? Metroid isn't quite as bad, but still, there are still plenty of Metroid games floating around. I'm not saying these games will be bad but I'm completely uniteresting. They're probably going to push the same experience they've been pushing for decades. The only way that line up could become any less interesting to me is if they replace Metroid with another Pokemon game.vashkey

The Wii has exclusives.

The other two have exclusives + multiplats.

That's why it can't be the year of the Wii. It has quite a strong 1st pary lineup this year, but it still lacks the multiplats to call massive attention from the SW debates.

[QUOTE="vashkey"]Personally it's easy to forget Nintendo's line up when it's just sequels to pretty old game series. How many Zelda and Mario games have I already played, seen and passed up? Metroid isn't quite as bad, but still, there are still plenty of Metroid games floating around. I'm not saying these games will be bad but I'm completely uniteresting. They're probably going to push the same experience they've been pushing for decades. The only way that line up could become any less interesting to me is if they replace Metroid with another Pokemon game.Dibdibdobdobo

Keep in mind I'm only speaking for myself.

1. The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces
2. Samurai Warriors 3
3. No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle
4. Flip's Twisted World
5. Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars
6. Calling
7. Lost in Shadow
8. Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon
9. Arc Rise Fantasia
10. Endless Ocean: Blue World
11. Red Steel 2
12. Silent Hill: Shattered Memories (Europe)
13. Gladiator A.D.
14. Sin & Punishment: Successor to the Sky
15. TrackMania Wii
16. Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll
17. Monster Hunter Tri
18. Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren The Wanderer 3
19. Tales of Grace
20. Trauma Team
21. Super Mario Galaxy 2
22. Epic Mickey
23. Metroid: Other M
24. The Grinder
25. Monado: Beginning of the World
26. Pikmin 3
27. Data East: Arcade Classics
28. Line Attack Heroes
29. Zangeki Reginleiv
30. Zelda

* The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces * Samurai Warriors 3 * No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle * Flip's Twisted World * Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars * Calling * Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon * Arc Rise Fantasia * Endless Ocean: Blue World * Red Steel 2 * Silent Hill: Shattered Memories (Europe) * Gladiator A.D. * Sin & Punishment: Successor to the Sky * TrackMania Wii * Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll * Monster Hunter Tri * Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren The Wanderer 3 * Trauma Team * Super Mario Galaxy 2 * Epic Mickey * Metroid: Other M * The Grinder * Monado: Beginning of the World * Pikmin 3 * Data East: Arcade Classics * Line Attack Heroes * Zangeki ReginleivFried_Shrimp

Am Iseeing HVS games in that list? D:

* The Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces * Samurai Warriors 3 * No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle * Flip's Twisted World * Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars * Calling * Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon * Arc Rise Fantasia * Endless Ocean: Blue World * Red Steel 2 * Silent Hill: Shattered Memories (Europe) * Gladiator A.D. * Sin & Punishment: Successor to the Sky * TrackMania Wii * Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll * Monster Hunter Tri * Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren The Wanderer 3 * Trauma Team * Super Mario Galaxy 2 * Epic Mickey * Metroid: Other M * The Grinder * Monado: Beginning of the World * Pikmin 3 * Data East: Arcade Classics * Line Attack Heroes * Zangeki ReginleivFried_Shrimp

Most of which are not being published by Nintendo. remember that in the first sentence OP talks specifically about first party.vashkey

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="vashkey"]Personally it's easy to forget Nintendo's line up when it's just sequels to pretty old game series. How many Zelda and Mario games have I already played, seen and passed up? Metroid isn't quite as bad, but still, there are still plenty of Metroid games floating around. I'm not saying these games will be bad but I'm completely uniteresting. They're probably going to push the same experience they've been pushing for decades. The only way that line up could become any less interesting to me is if they replace Metroid with another Pokemon game.vashkey

Keep in mind I'm only speaking for myself.

You know what the Wii has for me this year..... Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid Other M (maybe), and...... *crickets chirping*

LOL @ anyone who thinks Zelda is coming this year... :P

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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"] 2nd post in and you proved my whole point. People dont bother looking and just assume "Oh 3 games, WOW". Look abit deeper.Dibdibdobdobo

Keep in mind I'm only speaking for myself.

[QUOTE="vashkey"] Most of which are not being published by Nintendo. remember that in the first sentence OP talks specifically about first party.Fried_Shrimp

[QUOTE="vashkey"] Most of which are not being published by Nintendo. remember that in the first sentence OP talks specifically about first party.Fried_Shrimp

Zelda won't be coming out in the US this year, so it's Mario and Metroid vs GT5, GoW3 and Last Guardian. It comes down to personal preferences, really.

You just have to learn to appretiate the fine art of selective amnesia.

I just sit back and behold the amazing, and abundant, display of convenient ignorance found in SW.

The Wii games are going to top the charts once again, but keep in mind, here in SW, we don't give two craps about the Wii. Oh look, another Mario and Metroid title, alongside 20 other games that I've never even heard of. How fascinating. Thank you, I'll keep my eyes on GoW 3, Heavy Rain, WKC, Records of Agarest War, and FF13.Greyfeld

i agree with that.

plus add all the multi plats the ps3/360 gets each year. just blows the wii out of the water

Nobody's missing out on Nintendo because they haven't released a good first party game in about two years.

• Super Mario Galaxy 2 with Yoshi,
• New Zelda,
• Metroid Other: M...

Nintendo are releasing their big three this year. Obviously Nintendo are winning first party releases for 2010. Sony and Microsoft don't even compare.

Fried_Shrimp

Nobody's missing out on Nintendo because they haven't released a good first party game in about two years.

rcignoni

Personally it's easy to forget Nintendo's line up when it's just sequels to pretty old game series. How many Zelda and Mario games have I already played, seen and passed up? Metroid isn't quite as bad, but still, there are still plenty of Metroid games floating around. I'm not saying these games will be bad but I'm completely uniteresting. They're probably going to push the same experience they've been pushing for decades. The only way that line up could become any less interesting to me is if they replace Metroid with another Pokemon game.vashkey

In all fairness, the new Zelda game is supposed to be a breath of fresh air. Whether it's true or not, we will see.

Mario so far essentially looks like Galaxy with new levels and Yoshi. Like you said, it's probably going to push the same experience from Galaxy. I would argue that Galaxy isn't the same experience they've been pushing for decades.

As for Metroid....it looks like the farthest thing from what Metroid is supposed to be. Team Ninja is great and all but I really hope they don't forget the emphasis Metroid puts on exploration and discovery. So far it's looking like a good action game, but far from a Metroid game.

[QUOTE="vashkey"] Most of which are not being published by Nintendo. remember that in the first sentence OP talks specifically about first party.Fried_Shrimp

Those 3 franchises are worshiped by sheep in name only, but mostly fall short on scores here on gamespot. When people talk about the ps3 and 360, AAA titles come into the picture. The last Zelda and Metroid Prime game which you are claiming to be trump cards of your console didn't even make it pass the AAA barrier. Mario is perhaps the only one deserving mention. The latest Mario game wasn't even AAA.

So you wanna know why people leave the Wii out of the picture? It's because Wii games are only good by word of mouth, but never by review scores. How many games were hyped up and completely failed? Madworld? Sonic and the Black Knight? The Conduit? Dead Space looked decent but nobody bought it. Other than having the most console sales, the Wii is a failure of a console. Hyped up games turned out bad. Good games were not bought. The Wii is hanging by a single thread with Mario, Zelda and Metroid tied to it. And even then, neither of them are even guaranteed AAA. It's really not worth the mention.

Lol. This will never change. SW will continue to pretend the Wii doesnt exist in order to debate about graphix kings and PS3/360 comebacks. Meanwhile, when killer titles appear for the Wii, they'll claim injustice and demand those same titles on their own platform. It never ends.

Nintendo has some great games coming out this year

1. Sin and Punishment 2
2. Endless Ocean 2
3. Mario Galaxy 2
4. Metroid Other M
5. Pikmin 3?
6. Line Attack Heros

And theres still time to announce things

I'll start respecting Nintendo when they stop rehashing old franchises and releasing wii condoments lol at wii vitality sensor... seriously

Nintendo keeps making the same 3 franchises. Sony comes out with high quality new IPs all the time and sequels to them.Parasomniac

Like Resistance, Uncharted, and Killzone franchises, 2 of which are this generation franchises, and are improving along the way. Killzone 2 was last generation, but still relatively new, and is also improving. If thesee 3 franchises keep up the pace, they'll be AAA franchises in a few years.

Mario and Zelda are 20 year old franchises. Metroid is about 7 years. I can't believe Nintendo has nothing but these 20 year old franchises to rely on. That and a few rehashed games of AAA titles last gen.

I'll start respecting Nintendo when they stop rehashing old franchises and releasing wii condoments lol at wii vitality sensor... seriously

Zaibach

I personally am/was more excited for no more heroes 2 and galaxy 2 than I am/will be for anything coming out on any other system.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

I'll start respecting Nintendo when they stop rehashing old franchises and releasing wii condoments lol at wii vitality sensor... seriously

Dibdibdobdobo

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

I'll start respecting Nintendo when they stop rehashing old franchises and releasing wii condoments lol at wii vitality sensor... seriously

Zaibach

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

I'll start respecting Nintendo when they stop rehashing old franchises and releasing wii condoments lol at wii vitality sensor... seriously

Even though i have a 360, a gaming PC, a Wii and am considering buying a PS3, i still think the Wii is the most innovative of all the game systems, even the PC. Nintendo's titles, as someone else stated so long ago, are greatawesome games even if you take the main character out (Mario, Link, Samus, etc.), and really, if you did probably no one would notice (SMG? Metroid Prime?), and that's what makes those games great. GAMEPLAY, FUN. Not graphics. I'm playing Crysis right now, everything oon very high and yes, it is very sophisticated, but has it REALLY changed things a lot on the FPS genre? Probably not...

I am with Maddox all the way when he states that Nintendo is the console for hardcore gamers... he makes very good points about it. You can't say you're hardcore because you play MW2 because... you know... everyone else plays it, it's a casual game. Same with Killzone, Halo, and all the million other franchises... but Little King's Story? World of Goo (which is actually a multiplat but still...)? No more heroes? The Wii has excellent hardcore titles that are disguised as children games just to get more sales. Would you say Lemmings is not hardcore because it's "kiddy"? If you answered yes... well... i guess you're still a child.

because the people who forget a platform, even if they don't own it, aren't "core" gamers since gamers who loving playing games want to play as many games as they can, and have varied tastes in gaming.

But its fair, the "core" gamer who plays Gears of War is just as likely as the "casual" gamer who plays Wii Fit to actually boot up Galactic Civilization 2.

People who don't own all platforms can't possibly understand what is great about the platforms they don't own

As the owner of a gaming PC, Xbox 360, PS3 (with BC), PS2, DSi, Wii, and many old systems i love all games, i want to try them all

i'm looking forward to Wii's 2010 more than 360's, and 360s more than PS3s

But they all got good stuff

The only console i don't own or game on, is the PSP. i often compare it to the DS myself due to a bet i had last year that the users who took me up on it actually disappeared after i start winning it, but i've often said i wish i had a psp, i'd get one if the price was right, it has a lot of great games coming to it, has a good library, and one day, i will probably own one again, i try to be fair even when i sound negative about a platform, i can't imagine i always succeed

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"] Didnt ask that now did i. Oh by the way Fifa 2010 is a Rehash but looks like you brought that game so whats the differance?! Ohhh its simple that you are unable to play Wii games on your PS3. LMAO you got owned by your signature.Dibdibdobdobo

mario,zelda andd metroid have a combined age of over 60,

these games are pensioners and are still being milked for all thier worth

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]Are you kiddding me?!!! A sports game is your rebuttal, and FIFA 10 no less, yes FIFA should re invenmt the gameof football just so the video games arent considered a rehash. ownage fails here son, back to wii fit for you while you wait for mario, zelda,metroid and a sonic that deosnt sewage...

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]Nintendo keeps making the same 3 franchises. Sony comes out with high quality new IPs all the time and sequels to them.jhcho2

Like Resistance, Uncharted, and Killzone franchises, 2 of which are this generation franchises, and are improving along the way. Killzone 2 was last generation, but still relatively new, and is also improving. If thesee 3 franchises keep up the pace, they'll be AAA franchises in a few years.

Mario and Zelda are 20 year old franchises. Metroid is about 7 years. I can't believe Nintendo has nothing but these 20 year old franchises to rely on. That and a few rehashed games of AAA titles last gen.

Resistance was AA (and was reviewed before GS went to .5 increments, and scored above 8.5, so that's almost AAA). R2 was 9.0 (AAA). Uncharted was AA, Uncharted 2 was AAA. Killzone was last gen, Killzone 2 was AAA. What do you mean they'll be AAA in a few years? All three franchises already are by their second installment.

Mario is 29 years old. Zelda is 24 years old. Metroid is also 24 years old. Now personally, I have no problem with old franchises, just wanted to clear those dates up for you; your age was especially off on the Metroid series. While I appreciate classic franchises, I do agree, however, that Nintendo's ability to come up with new IPs (other than casual/fitness junk... WiiSports, WiiPlay, WiiFit, WiiMusic, WiiEtc...) is really lacking.

When comparing 1st party in 2010?! It seems to me that everytime i see a thread about "Year of PS3/360" that amnesia suddenly falls upon everyone on SW's that Nintendo are still #1 in producing the best overall quality in 1st party gaming. Now i've narrowed it down to 2 things Denial and Denial... Denial that when it comes to bragging rights that X 1st party looks better than Y 1st party that X will always be Nintendo!! Alright they might bea small fish in a big pound and not have as many as development companies to hand work too as both MS and Sony but as soon as Nintendo say "Aye were making XX game" then the whole world gets hyped rather than like sony and MS who only the few get hyped up about.

Now compare all of the 1st party titles between MS, Sony and Nintendo rather than the 2 HD Consoles and alot of people will notice that Nintendo this year has more to offer than SW's as a majority think.

Dibdibdobdobo

Nintendo is still #1 in first party gaming? Most of their franchises are practically dead now (with some exceptions). My main issue with Nintendo of this generation is the lack of risk and ambition they have made with their games. They have some of the best talent in the industry, yet they haven't managed to make any new IPs in a while that can stand on the level of Mario, Metroid, and Zelda in both quality and sales.

Nintendo's titles are significantly behind the standards of the current generation. There's a twenty page argument the moment you suggest voice acting might be necessary this decade... so to say their 2010 line-up is actually comparable to the rest of 2010 is a bit... rich. That's not to say they're inherently bad games, but what kind of screenshot, feature, or "creativity" comparison can you do in the year Nintendo is just basically giving people the three sequels they've been asking for?subrosian