is there really a hardware design flaw in every Xbox 360?
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[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="organic_machine"][QUOTE="purplemidgets"]It really doesn't matter what side of the camp you listen to, there is a problem. It breaks down far too much than it should. tango90101
exactly.
and yet noone has any credible data other than the 5% reported by MS...
interesting... :roll:
INtresting, where are you getting that 5% number from? Can't be by MS, last I heard they had no comment.
That's what MS stated. don't ask for a link it was last year.
since MS is the one tracking the data, i'd take their word over a blind fanboy's anyday...
so, until the cows come up with another credible number, 5% is the mark...;)
lol, why would I ask for a link....I actually believe you. Of course when you say LAST YEAR, you do realize the problem with your statment don't you? That's like saying when the X360 launched it had little issues with hardware problems.......well hello captain obvious.
Why are you ignoring the fact Microsoft refuses to give real numbers RIGHT NOW. Let me just say when they come out and publicly deflect questions about the actual number of defective units by stating how they increased the warranty for a year and the customer service is top notch........doesn't that mean they are AFRAID of something? That's like politicans being ask an important question than go on to bash gays or something. Totally off topic and trying to deflect the real issue.
spin it anyway you want.. but until you show ANY credible data, you're simply moving in circles...;)
i read 3 or 5%. sorry i can't find a link...then again, i don't have to...the burden of proof is on the accuser, so please PROVE the 360 has a higher than normal failure rate...
That's my point. MS refuses to give any data on current numbers so how can anyone provide you with "credible data". For all I know all those who are saying their X360 broke are lying just like it's possible that all those who say their X360 work fine are lying. MS knows the truth and was asked point blank what the number was......Sometimes it's not what you say, it's what you don't say that is key.
If that were true the failure rate would be 100%, and not just 5-7%. I'm on my console since Sep 06, no red lights, no scratched discs. I did have some minor freezing issues a while back, which I was able to resolve just by changing the units position from horizontal to verticle.
The console was on a book when I had it horizontal, so it had plenty of ventilation on all sides, but still, moving it upright made the problem go away. Go figure :|
AdobeArtist
Just because there is a design flaw in something it doesnt mean that 100% of those will fail (within a reasonable period of time)- flaws often only become apparent in certain circumstances & under certain conditions- there COULD be a design flaw in the Xbox360 that merely increases the chances of hardware failure- rather than cause a blatant failure in every single unit. IF a MAJOR design flaw did exist MS would probably have noticed it long ago- lesser flaw that would take a long time to become apparent would be a lot harder to detect until the product was on the market.
[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="organic_machine"][QUOTE="purplemidgets"]It really doesn't matter what side of the camp you listen to, there is a problem. It breaks down far too much than it should. darthogre
exactly.
and yet noone has any credible data other than the 5% reported by MS...
interesting... :roll:
INtresting, where are you getting that 5% number from? Can't be by MS, last I heard they had no comment.
That's what MS stated. don't ask for a link it was last year.
since MS is the one tracking the data, i'd take their word over a blind fanboy's anyday...
so, until the cows come up with another credible number, 5% is the mark...;)
lol, why would I ask for a link....I actually believe you. Of course when you say LAST YEAR, you do realize the problem with your statment don't you? That's like saying when the X360 launched it had little issues with hardware problems.......well hello captain obvious.
Why are you ignoring the fact Microsoft refuses to give real numbers RIGHT NOW. Let me just say when they come out and publicly deflect questions about the actual number of defective units by stating how they increased the warranty for a year and the customer service is top notch........doesn't that mean they are AFRAID of something? That's like politicans being ask an important question than go on to bash gays or something. Totally off topic and trying to deflect the real issue.
spin it anyway you want.. but until you show ANY credible data, you're simply moving in circles...;)
i read 3 or 5%. sorry i can't find a link...then again, i don't have to...the burden of proof is on the accuser, so please PROVE the 360 has a higher than normal failure rate...
That's my point. MS refuses to give any data on current numbers so how can anyone provide you with "credible data". For all I know all those who are saying their X360 broke are lying just like it's possible that all those who say their X360 work fine are lying. MS knows the truth and was asked point blank what the number was......Sometimes it's not what you say, it's what you don't say that is key.
sorry, i know what i've read. the fact i can't find a "link" doesnt' make it any less sound, only here....
The fact that rabid fandoys have been PROVEN liars when they swore they owned a "broken 360" really puts a inaccurate tinge on the forum complaints.
as you know, sony has been proven to use the web for deceptive marketting, it's not unreasonable to think some of the complaining are plants. are they? who knows....
but it's really telling that the majority of 360 breakdown threads are originated by ps3 zealouts....
maybe he didn't have the data in front of him and he didn't want to speak out of turn. it's better to remain silent w/o facts or data. you're assuming he didn't say something to be deceptive.
yep, no bias here...:roll:
ps... for the impending sony vs. ms deceptive marketting replies; remember, sony has been caught time and again lying and deceiving in the gaming aspirations.... MS hasn't... or at least on the level of sony...
think what you want, but until you have a hard number to work from, all your opinions of abnormally high breakdowns is pure, unsubstantiated, speculation....
maybe he didn't have the data in front of him and he didn't want to speak out of turn. it's better to remain silent w/o facts or data. you're assuming he didn't say something to be deceptive.
tango90101
lol, yeah I'm sure the class action lawsuite againt SOE during the PS2 days had nothing to do with his sudden lapse in memory right?
btw, I purchased an X360 almost a year ago for the office I work in. It broke. I'm sure it's because someone didn't put it upsidedown, on a book, with a towel wrapped around, while chanting a rain song....it's obvious this was just coincidence so many other people had the same issue. I don't need MS to confirm that there is a problem when I've experienced the problem first hand. It just would be nice for them to quantify that problem.......it looks like they are too scared to do so. Or we can believe these high executives know nothing about such things.....all they see is bottom line I suppose /rollseyes
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]If that were true the failure rate would be 100%, and not just 5-7%. I'm on my console since Sep 06, no red lights, no scratched discs. I did have some minor freezing issues a while back, which I was able to resolve just by changing the units position from horizontal to verticle.
The console was on a book when I had it horizontal, so it had plenty of ventilation on all sides, but still, moving it upright made the problem go away. Go figure :|
darthogre
Question, where do you get "5-7%" number from? Microsoft has deflected any and all questions to give a number to the amount of defective X360's. Instead they give you the "look at our customer service when we replace them" line. So I'm assuming that is a guess.
So if you are guessing, my guess is if it was only 5-7% they would admit it. My guess is the defective rate is MUCH higher. All one has to do is look on X360 own website/forums. It's pretty sad when some people have gone through 4+ X360's and still PAY to play that machine. Some hardcore gamers have an extra unit (like a spare for a car rofl) just incase one craps out on them.
I'm not a hightech engineer or anything but I believe after reading from people who are, the problem comes from 1) bad motherboad 2) too much heat produced from CPU/GPU. You combine both of those together and you eventually get a warpped board (3 rings of death). Does this happen in a specific time, don't know. I guess if you look at what the problem is maybe the less you play the less chance you have for the board to warp. I also think those who have these intercooler systems to keep the system cool might be actually break the 360 quicker......if it heats up super fast then cools very quickly, maybe that warps the motherboard faster?
All I know is it's been confirmed by these "techno geeks" the problem is in all X360's. They were proven right when the Elite came out and the solution MS has gone with is some new paste to make sure the connection with the GPU/CPU doesn't break whent he mother board warps. I'm not sure if it works or not but the fact is MS is aware of it and it is a design flaw.
5% of 10 million is 500,000. Are you telling me you saw 500,000 OR MORE threads related to broken 360's? I didnt think so... :shock:
[QUOTE="tango90101"]maybe he didn't have the data in front of him and he didn't want to speak out of turn. it's better to remain silent w/o facts or data. you're assuming he didn't say something to be deceptive.
darthogre
lol, yeah I'm sure the class action lawsuite againt SOE during the PS2 days had nothing to do with his sudden lapse in memory right?
btw, I purchased an X360 almost a year ago for the office I work in. It broke. I'm sure it's because someone didn't put it upsidedown, on a book, with a towel wrapped around, while chanting a rain song....it's obvious this was just coincidence so many other people had the same issue. I don't need MS to confirm that there is a problem when I've experienced the problem first hand. It just would be nice for them to quantify that problem.......it looks like they are too scared to do so. Or we can believe these high executives know nothing about such things.....all they see is bottom line I suppose /rollseyes
nah, i'm pretty sure the high ranking executives should be aware of the problem. they just choose to downplay it. i remember reading an article of an interview with Peter Moore, to the hardware failture problem, he simply said, "ya, things break you know."
[QUOTE="tango90101"]maybe he didn't have the data in front of him and he didn't want to speak out of turn. it's better to remain silent w/o facts or data. you're assuming he didn't say something to be deceptive.
darthogre
lol, yeah I'm sure the class action lawsuite againt SOE during the PS2 days had nothing to do with his sudden lapse in memory right?
btw, I purchased an X360 almost a year ago for the office I work in. It broke. I'm sure it's because someone didn't put it upsidedown, on a book, with a towel wrapped around, while chanting a rain song....it's obvious this was just coincidence so many other people had the same issue. I don't need MS to confirm that there is a problem when I've experienced the problem first hand. It just would be nice for them to quantify that problem.......it looks like they are too scared to do so. Or we can believe these high executives know nothing about such things.....all they see is bottom line I suppose /rollseyes
i think the lawsuit was fuel for their extension of the warranty and free repairs. At least they admitted to problems and are fixing them for free unlike sony who DENIED ever having probs with the ps2 as fold bought their 3rd and 4th one while sony counted those as sales...
the interviewer asked for a number. He didn't have one. so he said nothing. it was the smart and ethical thing to do. to assume he has those numbers simply because of his title is flawed.
there are executives in EVERY company who have zero idea of the numbers at the individual production level. it's not necessarily their job to know the numbers.
it would even nicer if you could quantify your accusations as well...;)
[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="tango90101"]maybe he didn't have the data in front of him and he didn't want to speak out of turn. it's better to remain silent w/o facts or data. you're assuming he didn't say something to be deceptive.
Game13a13y
lol, yeah I'm sure the class action lawsuite againt SOE during the PS2 days had nothing to do with his sudden lapse in memory right?
btw, I purchased an X360 almost a year ago for the office I work in. It broke. I'm sure it's because someone didn't put it upsidedown, on a book, with a towel wrapped around, while chanting a rain song....it's obvious this was just coincidence so many other people had the same issue. I don't need MS to confirm that there is a problem when I've experienced the problem first hand. It just would be nice for them to quantify that problem.......it looks like they are too scared to do so. Or we can believe these high executives know nothing about such things.....all they see is bottom line I suppose /rollseyes
nah, i'm pretty sure the high ranking executives should be aware of the problem. they just choose to downplay it. i remember reading an article of an interview with Peter Moore, to the hardware failture problem, he simply said, "ya, things break you know."
Until you and any other hater can provide viable proof, not your own BS stories or forums filled with trolls, you might as well give it up.
If you want a business model of companies passing off faulty electronics and downplaying it, choose Sony's...
[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]If that were true the failure rate would be 100%, and not just 5-7%. I'm on my console since Sep 06, no red lights, no scratched discs. I did have some minor freezing issues a while back, which I was able to resolve just by changing the units position from horizontal to verticle.
The console was on a book when I had it horizontal, so it had plenty of ventilation on all sides, but still, moving it upright made the problem go away. Go figure :|
Magical_Zebra
Question, where do you get "5-7%" number from? Microsoft has deflected any and all questions to give a number to the amount of defective X360's. Instead they give you the "look at our customer service when we replace them" line. So I'm assuming that is a guess.
So if you are guessing, my guess is if it was only 5-7% they would admit it. My guess is the defective rate is MUCH higher. All one has to do is look on X360 own website/forums. It's pretty sad when some people have gone through 4+ X360's and still PAY to play that machine. Some hardcore gamers have an extra unit (like a spare for a car rofl) just incase one craps out on them.
I'm not a hightech engineer or anything but I believe after reading from people who are, the problem comes from 1) bad motherboad 2) too much heat produced from CPU/GPU. You combine both of those together and you eventually get a warpped board (3 rings of death). Does this happen in a specific time, don't know. I guess if you look at what the problem is maybe the less you play the less chance you have for the board to warp. I also think those who have these intercooler systems to keep the system cool might be actually break the 360 quicker......if it heats up super fast then cools very quickly, maybe that warps the motherboard faster?
All I know is it's been confirmed by these "techno geeks" the problem is in all X360's. They were proven right when the Elite came out and the solution MS has gone with is some new paste to make sure the connection with the GPU/CPU doesn't break whent he mother board warps. I'm not sure if it works or not but the fact is MS is aware of it and it is a design flaw.
5% of 10 million is 500,000. Are you telling me you saw 500,000 OR MORE threads related to broken 360's? I didnt think so... :shock:
Wait a minute, you think everyone has to go through the website if they are defective? That's like saying everyone who owns a 360 has XboxLive.
Is this where you people get 5%? counting threads? I suppose you could then multiply each post by 3 since that is the average number of hardware failures that people go through before they post. Ever think maybe only the real hardcore gamers are the ones who post? That's like me saying I saw the thread that stated their X360 is working fine......so based on those numbers there is a 66% failure rate because 1,000 people posted there's worked and 2,000 posted their broke.
Well I couldn't do that because that is pure speculation. We all know the number of defective is big, why else would Microsoft be running from answering specifically what it is? All of this could stop if they go on the record and name the amount of X360 they have to fix/replace.
I went through 3 ps2s in the last few years, the great games made it worth it, the same applies to the 360. My extended warrenty was $60 to get it covered for 3 years. The 360 being a badly designed shoddy piece of junk is a non-issue, I buy warrenties for everything that runs on electricity in my house. Letting this stop you from buying a great gaming machine is just foolishness.lets discuss. and i'm willing to take on any lemmings fanboy rambling. bring it on :wink:
Game13a13y
[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="tango90101"]maybe he didn't have the data in front of him and he didn't want to speak out of turn. it's better to remain silent w/o facts or data. you're assuming he didn't say something to be deceptive.
DXGreat1_HGL
lol, yeah I'm sure the class action lawsuite againt SOE during the PS2 days had nothing to do with his sudden lapse in memory right?
btw, I purchased an X360 almost a year ago for the office I work in. It broke. I'm sure it's because someone didn't put it upsidedown, on a book, with a towel wrapped around, while chanting a rain song....it's obvious this was just coincidence so many other people had the same issue. I don't need MS to confirm that there is a problem when I've experienced the problem first hand. It just would be nice for them to quantify that problem.......it looks like they are too scared to do so. Or we can believe these high executives know nothing about such things.....all they see is bottom line I suppose /rollseyes
nah, i'm pretty sure the high ranking executives should be aware of the problem. they just choose to downplay it. i remember reading an article of an interview with Peter Moore, to the hardware failture problem, he simply said, "ya, things break you know."
Until you and any other hater can provide viable proof, not your own BS stories or forums filled with trolls, you might as well give it up.
If you want a business model of companies passing off faulty electronics and downplaying it, choose Sony's...
here you happy now?
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/05/peter_moore_interview_part_three_answers_to_readers_questions.html
there's 3 parts on the interview, part 3 addresses the hardware problem
Q (from reader): I'd like a straight answer on issues with hardware quality (have suffered through 2 defective 360's in a 7 month span and am about to call it quits with this system). MS claims an 'accceptable' 3% failure rate but I imagine the actual number to be much higher - perhaps 2x or 3x more?
A: I can't comment on failure rates, because it's just not something - it's a moving target. What this consumer should worry about is the way that we've treated him. Y'know, things break, and if we've treated him well and fixed his problem, that's something that we're focused on right now. I'm not going to comment on individual failure rates because I'm shipping in 36 countries and it's a complex business.
everything the previous posts proof can be found there as well.
My console is in the shop for the first time. It lived for 1 year and 2 months. I knew it was coming because, just about everyone I know had their Xbox 360 break on them as well. I highly doubt the failure rate is only 5-7 %. Some people I know are on their 4th+ Xbox 360, and trust me they don't stack it in with books etc. 0.05x0.05x0.05x0.05= 0.00625
So 0.625 chance I would know 1 person who's xbox has broken more then 4 times, I know 4. I smell something fishy
Crovax20
I just had my FOURTH 360 die on me yesterday. I went to show Gears to a friend who was thinking of getting a 360 and got the ring of death. It sits next to my wii and PS3 (so no flaming please), and gets PLENTY of ventilation. When it died, I wasn't even shocked. Given time to think about it though, I'm pretty ticked. The 360 is a piece of crap when it comes to design. Great games, terrible faulty design. How M$ hasn't been sued to bankrupcy by now I'll never know.
[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]If that were true the failure rate would be 100%, and not just 5-7%. I'm on my console since Sep 06, no red lights, no scratched discs. I did have some minor freezing issues a while back, which I was able to resolve just by changing the units position from horizontal to verticle.
The console was on a book when I had it horizontal, so it had plenty of ventilation on all sides, but still, moving it upright made the problem go away. Go figure :|
darthogre
Question, where do you get "5-7%" number from? Microsoft has deflected any and all questions to give a number to the amount of defective X360's. Instead they give you the "look at our customer service when we replace them" line. So I'm assuming that is a guess.
So if you are guessing, my guess is if it was only 5-7% they would admit it. My guess is the defective rate is MUCH higher. All one has to do is look on X360 own website/forums. It's pretty sad when some people have gone through 4+ X360's and still PAY to play that machine. Some hardcore gamers have an extra unit (like a spare for a car rofl) just incase one craps out on them.
I'm not a hightech engineer or anything but I believe after reading from people who are, the problem comes from 1) bad motherboad 2) too much heat produced from CPU/GPU. You combine both of those together and you eventually get a warpped board (3 rings of death). Does this happen in a specific time, don't know. I guess if you look at what the problem is maybe the less you play the less chance you have for the board to warp. I also think those who have these intercooler systems to keep the system cool might be actually break the 360 quicker......if it heats up super fast then cools very quickly, maybe that warps the motherboard faster?
All I know is it's been confirmed by these "techno geeks" the problem is in all X360's. They were proven right when the Elite came out and the solution MS has gone with is some new paste to make sure the connection with the GPU/CPU doesn't break whent he mother board warps. I'm not sure if it works or not but the fact is MS is aware of it and it is a design flaw.
5% of 10 million is 500,000. Are you telling me you saw 500,000 OR MORE threads related to broken 360's? I didnt think so... :shock:
Wait a minute, you think everyone has to go through the website if they are defective? That's like saying everyone who owns a 360 has XboxLive.
People like me dont need to make threads "Oh wowzers teh 360 has been working since teh launch for j00, sign in if yours has t0000oo!" The point being M$ stated the 360 had a 5% failure rate. Its no way to confirm this as you stated that going to the forums has several threads on broken 360's. I hear more from people who say their 360 has been working with no problems since launch than from people on their 4th 8th and 50th 360. Do they need to make a thread stating that its still working? Point is SOME people hype and lie about the situation. My brother and a friend of mine both have launch 360's still going strong. My launch 360 is still going strong and I play it almost everyday and longer on my days off. 3 people, 3 360's, all launch units, no problems.
Also point me to a link that shows the numbers are higher than what M$ stated please sir. :shock:
"iv had my 360 since launch" the 360 grim reaper will be at ur door soon
"its only a 5% chance" that was a year ago, now more have broken :)
"this is just fanboy talk" and all those complaining while on there 4th 360
the 360 is obviously unreliable....but hopefully they will fix it with this new chip, but the old ones should be taken and replaced for free....if there changing the chip then there has to be something wrong, just look at it that way
My console is in the shop for the first time. It lived for 1 year and 2 months. I knew it was coming because, just about everyone I know had their Xbox 360 break on them as well. I highly doubt the failure rate is only 5-7 %. Some people I know are on their 4th+ Xbox 360, and trust me they don't stack it in with books etc. 0.05x0.05x0.05x0.05= 0.00625
So 0.625 chance I would know 1 person who's xbox has broken more then 4 times, I know 4. I smell something fishy
Crovax20
You have 4 friends who have all had 4 360's break on them? Yeah, I smell something fishy too.
[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="tango90101"]maybe he didn't have the data in front of him and he didn't want to speak out of turn. it's better to remain silent w/o facts or data. you're assuming he didn't say something to be deceptive.
Game13a13y
lol, yeah I'm sure the class action lawsuite againt SOE during the PS2 days had nothing to do with his sudden lapse in memory right?
btw, I purchased an X360 almost a year ago for the office I work in. It broke. I'm sure it's because someone didn't put it upsidedown, on a book, with a towel wrapped around, while chanting a rain song....it's obvious this was just coincidence so many other people had the same issue. I don't need MS to confirm that there is a problem when I've experienced the problem first hand. It just would be nice for them to quantify that problem.......it looks like they are too scared to do so. Or we can believe these high executives know nothing about such things.....all they see is bottom line I suppose /rollseyes
nah, i'm pretty sure the high ranking executives should be aware of the problem. they just choose to downplay it. i remember reading an article of an interview with Peter Moore, to the hardware failture problem, he simply said, "ya, things break you know."
Until you and any other hater can provide viable proof, not your own BS stories or forums filled with trolls, you might as well give it up.
If you want a business model of companies passing off faulty electronics and downplaying it, choose Sony's...
here you happy now?
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/05/peter_moore_interview_part_three_answers_to_readers_questions.html
there's 3 parts on the interview, part 3 addresses the hardware problem
Q (from reader): I'd like a straight answer on issues with hardware quality (have suffered through 2 defective 360's in a 7 month span and am about to call it quits with this system). MS claims an 'accceptable' 3% failure rate but I imagine the actual number to be much higher - perhaps 2x or 3x more?
A: I can't comment on failure rates, because it's just not something - it's a moving target. What this consumer should worry about is the way that we've treated him. Y'know, things break, and if we've treated him well and fixed his problem, that's something that we're focused on right now. I'm not going to comment on individual failure rates because I'm shipping in 36 countries and it's a complex business.
everything the previous posts proof can be found there as well.
See, you can't. The 'reader' makes a BS claim (he imagines the number to be 6 - 9 %) Show some actual proof or quit posting..
"iv had my 360 since launch" the 360 grim reaper will be at ur door soon
"its only a 5% chance" that was a year ago, now more have broken :)
"this is just fanboy talk" and all those complaining while on there 4th 360
the 360 is obviously unreliable....but hopefully they will fix it with this new chip, but the old ones should be taken and replaced for free....if there changing the chip then there has to be something wrong, just look at it that way
hip-hop-cola
Thanks for your useless input
[QUOTE="organic_machine"][QUOTE="purplemidgets"]It really doesn't matter what side of the camp you listen to, there is a problem. It breaks down far too much than it should. tango90101
exactly.
and yet noone has any credible data other than the 5% reported by MS...
interesting... :roll:
Including myself and not freinds on XBL, I know 5 people with 360's and 3 of them have broken down with another one seemingly on the way, and about 15% of my freinds list have lost them as well. As for the people who have had 3 or four go, thats just MS's shidt repair jobs, not new ones breaking down, as to whether you can count this in the data is up for debate, but im damn sure MS dont include them in the 5% failure rate figure they released.Draw what conclusions you will from my post. :?
[QUOTE="tango90101"]no.
but if you listen to the ps3 fanboys, "yes"...:roll:
AdobeArtist
So true, they would have you believe the failure rate is 40%
i have a xbox360 or had because it went for repair last week(two days before the halo3 beta:cry: ) and there are 30 people out of my 100 people friendlist who had sent their xbox for repair atleast once, and others have xboxes which make a lot of noise. So maybe it isn't 40% but i'm sure it is way more then 10% like some people think, and don't be fanboys, xbox360 is a great console with lots of great games and many others will come but when it comes to hardware... it is just horrible, and i just hope that when my xbox360 comes it no longer has problems.
Also point me to a link that shows the numbers are higher than what M$ stated please sir. :shock:Magical_Zebra
For the love of god, how many times do I have to say this. You guys saying it's 5% because MS said so last year "sometime" doesn't mean ANYTHING. They were asked point blank about the problems today since it seems a good number die after a year in the field.
When they asked what that number was, he said it was a "moving target". That means they are constatntly getting defectives. They could GUESSIMATE like they did with the supposed "5%" number you guys keep quoting.....guess what they didn't. That means they know it's more than what they thought it was going to be.
Tell me, why would MICROSOFT of all the companies extend the warraty for all X360 by a year? OUt of the goodness of their heart or do they know something you just don't want to admit. That being their is a fundamental flaw in the design of the X360 and more than likely they were going to lose a substantial amount of customers when the console breaks and they are stuck with the only option of buying another console. You think this doesn't scare 3rd party developers? For all we know the Installed Base of X360 keeps going up because they are replacing their defective one.
Thing is we don't know anything because MS isn't talking about it. All you can get out of them "Things break you know" and "instead look at our customer service". If you guys could for one minute take the fanboy glasses off you'd see there is a problem.
[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]
Also point me to a link that shows the numbers are higher than what M$ stated please sir. :shock:darthogre
For the love of god, how many times do I have to say this. You guys saying it's 5% because MS said so last year "sometime" doesn't mean ANYTHING. They were asked point blank about the problems today since it seems a good number die after a year in the field.
When they asked what that number was, he said it was a "moving target". That means they are constatntly getting defectives. They could GUESSIMATE like they did with the supposed "5%" number you guys keep quoting.....guess what they didn't. That means they know it's more than what they thought it was going to be.
Ok then can you show or provide a link that shows 500,000 OR MORE 360's repaired? If not, everyone always knows a cousin who has an uncle who's sisters brother knows a friend who has a 360 that failed. Your saying that its "higher" than 5%, give me some credible links that substantiate that sir... :roll:
[QUOTE="Crovax20"]My console is in the shop for the first time. It lived for 1 year and 2 months. I knew it was coming because, just about everyone I know had their Xbox 360 break on them as well. I highly doubt the failure rate is only 5-7 %. Some people I know are on their 4th+ Xbox 360, and trust me they don't stack it in with books etc. 0.05x0.05x0.05x0.05= 0.00625
So 0.625 chance I would know 1 person who's xbox has broken more then 4 times, I know 4. I smell something fishy
kevbo77
You have 4 friends who have all had 4 360's break on them? Yeah, I smell something fishy too.
Actually we are keeping a list going on the xbox.com forums.
http://forums.xbox.com/106/4109114/ShowPost.aspx#4109114
Check it. Plenty of people huh? And thats just on the dutch forums. Now you are of course going to say that we are all cows chanting lies. :|
Everyone with more then 2 break downs is bolded
There's nothing wrong with mine....yet.
Although one off my wireless controllers decided to randomly die on me,i got it replaced (over the phone with microsoft) for free though so no hard feelings :P
Imo as long as there handle the faulty 360's with a good service then there is no real problem.
[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]
Also point me to a link that shows the numbers are higher than what M$ stated please sir. :shock:Magical_Zebra
For the love of god, how many times do I have to say this. You guys saying it's 5% because MS said so last year "sometime" doesn't mean ANYTHING. They were asked point blank about the problems today since it seems a good number die after a year in the field.
When they asked what that number was, he said it was a "moving target". That means they are constatntly getting defectives. They could GUESSIMATE like they did with the supposed "5%" number you guys keep quoting.....guess what they didn't. That means they know it's more than what they thought it was going to be.
Ok then can you show or provide a link that shows 500,000 OR MORE 360's repaired? If not, everyone always knows a cousin who has an uncle who's sisters brother knows a friend who has a 360 that failed. Your saying that its "higher" than 5%, give me some credible links that substantiate that sir... :roll:
lol, my proof is the fact MS refuses to stand by their claim that it is "only" 5% defective. If it was still 5%, all they would have to do is say "no, our records show the defective ratio is still 5% which is acceptable to us considering we have extended the warranty for all X360's by a year and supplied excellent Customer Service as well". Instead they answer it with a shaddy "moving target" and the quote of "things break you know" is just absolutely comedy at it's best.
I'm not claiming there is a 60% failure, 30% or even 10%.......I'm saying MS knows they have a big problem on their hands and at the time they said the defectives were 5% was before the majority started to complain about their hardware. Believe what you want, I'll just keep reading between the lines and not last years best guess. Microsoft will have to come clean in the end, I'm really intrested in seeing exactly where the real numbers fall.
Judging by your other posts its clear your on an anti-360 trip, i think you should go read a book or do something more constructive with your time. Because your not really asking anyone a question, your just stating "yes there is a problem with all 360's" & "lets all point and laugh".
http://forums.xbox.com/106/4109114/ShowPost.aspx#4109114OUCH. Seriously, smart people should just wait for the 65nm.Check it. Plenty of people huh? And thats just on the dutch forums. Now you are of course going to say that we are all cows chanting lies. :|
Everyone with more then 2 break downs is boldedCrovax20
[QUOTE="tango90101"]no.
but if you listen to the ps3 fanboys, "yes"...:roll:
AdobeArtist
So true, they would have you believe the failure rate is 40%
They would try to have you believe it is much higher than that... I have heard some suggest 70%. LOL.
Actually I looked at some good news about Metroid :) on Kotaku when I found this:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/moving-target/my-360-just-died-262033.php
Well the Feature is not very interesting, it's about a died X360 meh, but what might be more interesting are the links "Arkanius" posted.
http://copronymous.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fix-for-the-3rlod.pdf
http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=PZOPZSBU
http://rbjtech.bulldoghome.com/pages/rbjtech_bulldoghome_com/XClamp.htm
I just want to add that I am working at a electronic company that produces digital cameras in the after sales service, and the "normal" ratio of defective cameras in the warranty period (1-2 years in Europe) is about 4-5%. But I believe that in this case the ratio might be higher... :?
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]If that were true the failure rate would be 100%, and not just 5-7%. I'm on my console since Sep 06, no red lights, no scratched discs. I did have some minor freezing issues a while back, which I was able to resolve just by changing the units position from horizontal to verticle.
The console was on a book when I had it horizontal, so it had plenty of ventilation on all sides, but still, moving it upright made the problem go away. Go figure :|
Game13a13y
yep, thats why i made this thread cause i read it somewhere that the failure rate is actually 100% since there's a design flaw in every Xbox 360.
that's like buying something that is doomed to die on you.
I am sure you have some sort of emperical evidence backing up this claim right? Right?
[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]The reports of disc scratches are due to the 360 lacking a protective rubber part that is standard even in $10 disc readers. Cutting-edge technology alright :lol:.lets discuss. and i'm willing to take on any lemmings fanboy rambling. bring it on :wink:
TNT_Slug
The 3 rings of death are caused because in some models the material used to glue the ventilation fan is applied insufficiently, causing the fan to fall off and your CPU to melt. But this particular flaw I don't think applies to all 360s.
I seriously cannot believe some oof the retarded stuff I read in SW....
lets discuss. and i'm willing to take on any lemmings fanboy rambling. bring it on :wink:
Game13a13y
I think there must be, because I had two break and they were not used heavily, they were treated extremely well, and they had tons of ventilation in a cool living space.
I don't believe every 360 has a hardware design flaw, but something is clearly wrong with a good many of them. I wish MS would just fix whatever problem there is instead of just extending the warranty. But whatever they do, they need to do it fast because the 360 is getting the reputation of being an unreliable system which will only hurt MS in the long run. I have never had a faulty console, and I'm not about to start with the 360. Truthfully that's one of the main reasons I haven't gotten one yet, and the fact that Banjo Threeie isn't out yet either. peaceful_anger
I know quite a few people who have had 360's for quite awhile now and never had a problem, the flaw with the system is really few and far in between, it was just overhyped
ok, about time i said something neutrual.
first of all, you guys always coin whoever said something bad about M$ is heretic and crazy fanboy. but can you guys honestly ask yourselves there's no fanboy in you before you calling others fanboy? what is so hard to accept that there's somebody who just finds alot of problems with Xbox 360 without being a hater or something?
look, Xbox 360 is just a piece of hardware, nobody in their right mind "hates" it. if there's anyone to blame, its the people behind it (such as the programmers, the engineers, the marketing guys, the customer service guys, etc)
so no, i don't hate Xbox 360, and i think many of us don't too. just getting ticked off by M$ times after times, thats all.
with that said, can we have a more open minded discussion rather than alot of pointless name calling that contributes nothing to this board?
ok, about time i said something neutrual.
first of all, you guys always coin whoever said something bad about M$ is heretic and crazy fanboy. but can you guys honestly ask yourselves there's no fanboy in you before you calling others fanboy? what is so hard to accept that there's somebody who just finds alot of problems with Xbox 360 without being a hater or something?
look, Xbox 360 is just a piece of hardware, nobody in their right mind "hates" it. if there's anyone to blame, its the people behind it (such as the programmers, the engineers, the marketing guys, the customer service guys, etc)
so no, i don't hate Xbox 360, and i think many of us don't too. just getting ticked off by M$ times after times, thats all.
with that said, can we have a more open minded discussion rather than alot of pointless name calling that contributes nothing to this board?
Game13a13y
ok, like I said before sony puts out shoddy hardware too so get over it
thats great, a fanboy creating flamebait. :roll:
yeah, there is. it's too compact. with that much powerful hardware in that lil of space, things are breaking cuz of overheating. its MS's fault for conforming to the retarded American and Japanese consumerism. ppl wont buy big bulky things, even if its whats best for them. So really, its Johny Dumbass's fault cuz he doesnt understand technology. doesn't anybody realize why custom towers for gamer rigs are getting bigger and bigger? obviously theyre the only ones thinking when it comes to functionality. simply put, the 360 needs to be bigger to give it more room to breathe and not overheat
I honestly think MS breaks them themselves. I've heard of alot of 360s dieing after an update. Why would software due that to a system unless it's somewhat malicious?
[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]ok, about time i said something neutrual.
first of all, you guys always coin whoever said something bad about M$ is heretic and crazy fanboy. but can you guys honestly ask yourselves there's no fanboy in you before you calling others fanboy? what is so hard to accept that there's somebody who just finds alot of problems with Xbox 360 without being a hater or something?
look, Xbox 360 is just a piece of hardware, nobody in their right mind "hates" it. if there's anyone to blame, its the people behind it (such as the programmers, the engineers, the marketing guys, the customer service guys, etc)
so no, i don't hate Xbox 360, and i think many of us don't too. just getting ticked off by M$ times after times, thats all.
with that said, can we have a more open minded discussion rather than alot of pointless name calling that contributes nothing to this board?
SegArgyle
ok, like I said before sony puts out shoddy hardware too so get over it
ok, good start...logic.. but the hardware failure rate of PS 2 is not as high as the 360. plus, Sony didn't deny the issues like M$ did, right?
and some people are on their 3rd, 4th 360's are just inexcusable.
[QUOTE="SegArgyle"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]ok, about time i said something neutrual.
first of all, you guys always coin whoever said something bad about M$ is heretic and crazy fanboy. but can you guys honestly ask yourselves there's no fanboy in you before you calling others fanboy? what is so hard to accept that there's somebody who just finds alot of problems with Xbox 360 without being a hater or something?
look, Xbox 360 is just a piece of hardware, nobody in their right mind "hates" it. if there's anyone to blame, its the people behind it (such as the programmers, the engineers, the marketing guys, the customer service guys, etc)
so no, i don't hate Xbox 360, and i think many of us don't too. just getting ticked off by M$ times after times, thats all.
with that said, can we have a more open minded discussion rather than alot of pointless name calling that contributes nothing to this board?
Game13a13y
ok, like I said before sony puts out shoddy hardware too so get over it
ok, good start...logic.. but the hardware failure rate of PS 2 is not as high as the 360. plus, Sony didn't deny the issues like M$ did, right?
and some people are on their 3rd, 4th 360's are just inexcusable.
uhhhh there was a huge problem with DRE's in ps2's where did you get your numbers, and Im sure its higher than those fictional people who are on their "third" and "fourth" 360's psssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah
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