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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]A disk format has nothing to do with gaming.Eragon_11The most narrow mind arguement I consistantly hear from predominately lemmings.Likewise, an arguement about the formats are predominantly made by the cows.
Because obviously, if you dont want/need blueray, you're a blind lemming :roll:I have to say that the only peope who are complaining about blue-ray seems to be the 360 owners, well I guess their pissed of that Sony made a right move. come on guys join us, you know you want to, arn't you fed up with the 360 always breaking on you :D
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[QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Rashpal
If Blu-Ray does finally take off it won't happen for at least another 3-5years from now. By then, M$ will be getting ready to bring out their next-gen system. Chances are good there will be other, better media formats out there that hold 100GB of storage on a single-sided disc. Of course Sony will be going for 10yrs with the PS3, so their format will be inferior to what else is out on the market and they won't have any way of swapping that Blu-Ray out of the PS3.
Blu-Ray is doing better now then HD-DVD. I see more advertisements and news for it then I do for HD-DVD, but it's still not selling very well. It's not a huge hit with most electronic fanatics. Many people are actually waiting for something better.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
CJL13
Actually I see few Blu-Ray disks, most of the movies section in my Target are DVDs.
Naturally, Blu-ray is a format just released... When DVD was first released, there were over 900 titles available before the year was out.Link? And more to the point how is that even the same. DVD was a move to a new movie format. BD is a move to a new era in visual entertainment at home. The parallels aren't even that same.DVDs were a new era after the whole VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc era. How is Blu-Ray/HD-DVD any different?
Because the formats are designed to exploit the advances in television technology.DVD did the same thing.
... This I have to hear.They upped the quality of the picture and sound, added menus to select scenes, subtitles, bonus features etc. It was able to fit more on a disc, and had the options of fullscreen and widescreen.
All of that was still designed within the constraints of CRT television technology. The new formats are designed for HD standard. Very few people seem to get that. Particularly on these pages.Back when the VHS came out TV's had knobs to change the channel and had bunny ears, though some TVs today still do the DVD still helped out those TVs as well as the current ones. It's not like Blu-Ray won't help the standard TV.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="TheTrystero024"]Proper use of comma, periods, noun and subject to verb agreement would really make it easier for you to get your point across.TheTrystero024Didn't you get the point?I got lost in the middle of the paragraph. I would guess that you're trying to argue that Blu-Ray would eventuall win because games are going to get bigger, therefore it would require more space. But then again, I am not really sure....I'm surprised you reached that conclusion. Agreed the punctuation could have been better, but considering I didn't use any words that would lead you to the mystifying conclusion that you've obviously reached, maybe you should to re-read the OP.
[QUOTE="TheTrystero024"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="TheTrystero024"]Proper use of comma, periods, noun and subject to verb agreement would really make it easier for you to get your point across.RashpalDidn't you get the point?I got lost in the middle of the paragraph. I would guess that you're trying to argue that Blu-Ray would eventuall win because games are going to get bigger, therefore it would require more space. But then again, I am not really sure....I'm surprised you reached that conclusion. Agreed the punctuation could have been better, but considering I didn't use any words that would lead you to the mystifying conclusion that you've obviously reached, maybe you should to re-read the OP. Not just the punctuation....some sentences just do not make sense at all. If you're going to make an arguement, you should be direct to the point instead of writing a whole paragraph of grammatical error.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.CJL13
If Blu-Ray does finally take off it won't happen for at least another 3-5years from now. By then, M$ will be getting ready to bring out their next-gen system. Chances are good there will be other, better media formats out there that hold 100GB of storage on a single-sided disc. Of course Sony will be going for 10yrs with the PS3, so their format will be inferior to what else is out on the market and they won't have any way of swapping that Blu-Ray out of the PS3.
Blu-Ray is doing better now then HD-DVD. I see more advertisements and news for it then I do for HD-DVD, but it's still not selling very well. It's not a huge hit with most electronic fanatics. Many people are actually waiting for something better.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
CJL13
Actually I see few Blu-Ray disks, most of the movies section in my Target are DVDs.
Naturally, Blu-ray is a format just released... When DVD was first released, there were over 900 titles available before the year was out.Link? And more to the point how is that even the same. DVD was a move to a new movie format. BD is a move to a new era in visual entertainment at home. The parallels aren't even that same.DVDs were a new era after the whole VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc era. How is Blu-Ray/HD-DVD any different?
Because the formats are designed to exploit the advances in television technology.DVD did the same thing.
... This I have to hear.They upped the quality of the picture and sound, added menus to select scenes, subtitles, bonus features etc. It was able to fit more on a disc, and had the options of fullscreen and widescreen.
All of that was still designed within the constraints of CRT television technology. The new formats are designed for HD standard. Very few people seem to get that. Particularly on these pages.Back when the VHS came out TV's had knobs to change the channel and had bunny ears, though some TVs today still do the DVD still helped out those TVs as well as the current ones. It's not like Blu-Ray won't help the standard TV.
I think you're seriously losing the plot there. The point is the tube, visual, call it what you want, technology of TVs is moving from SD, which has been around for over 3 decades, to HD. DVD (taking into account upgrading of the image) isn't best suit to the demands of these new screen technologies. This is why consumers will move to the HD movie formats, because the technology behind the box, after decades of the same home standard is, finally moving to greater directions. Again, too many on these page don't recognise this or are just playing ignorant to it.[QUOTE="AfterShafter"]Doubt it. XBOX 360 can release an add-on for any type of drive they want.RashpalExactly. It's not an all in one, but an all in two, three or potential four different boxes. The point is simplify and Microsoft's strategy with 360 is anything but.
[QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Rashpal
If Blu-Ray does finally take off it won't happen for at least another 3-5years from now. By then, M$ will be getting ready to bring out their next-gen system. Chances are good there will be other, better media formats out there that hold 100GB of storage on a single-sided disc. Of course Sony will be going for 10yrs with the PS3, so their format will be inferior to what else is out on the market and they won't have any way of swapping that Blu-Ray out of the PS3.
Blu-Ray is doing better now then HD-DVD. I see more advertisements and news for it then I do for HD-DVD, but it's still not selling very well. It's not a huge hit with most electronic fanatics. Many people are actually waiting for something better.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
CJL13
Actually I see few Blu-Ray disks, most of the movies section in my Target are DVDs.
Naturally, Blu-ray is a format just released... When DVD was first released, there were over 900 titles available before the year was out.Link? And more to the point how is that even the same. DVD was a move to a new movie format. BD is a move to a new era in visual entertainment at home. The parallels aren't even that same.DVDs were a new era after the whole VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc era. How is Blu-Ray/HD-DVD any different?
Because the formats are designed to exploit the advances in television technology.DVD did the same thing.
... This I have to hear.They upped the quality of the picture and sound, added menus to select scenes, subtitles, bonus features etc. It was able to fit more on a disc, and had the options of fullscreen and widescreen.
All of that was still designed within the constraints of CRT television technology. The new formats are designed for HD standard. Very few people seem to get that. Particularly on these pages.Back when the VHS came out TV's had knobs to change the channel and had bunny ears, though some TVs today still do the DVD still helped out those TVs as well as the current ones. It's not like Blu-Ray won't help the standard TV.
I think you're seriously losing the plot there. The point is the tube, visual, call it what you want, technology of TVs is moving from SD, which has been around for over 3 decades, to HD. DVD (taking into account upgrading of the image) isn't best suit to the demands of these new screen technologies. This is why consumers will move to the HD movie formats, because the technology behind the box, after decades of the same home standard is, finally moving to greater directions. Again, too many on these page don't recognise this or are just playing ignorant to it.So why do people keep buying SDTVs and Wiis if they're not high definition? Are you saying the DVD was a useless format?
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="TheTrystero024"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="TheTrystero024"]Proper use of comma, periods, noun and subject to verb agreement would really make it easier for you to get your point across.TheTrystero024Didn't you get the point?I got lost in the middle of the paragraph. I would guess that you're trying to argue that Blu-Ray would eventuall win because games are going to get bigger, therefore it would require more space. But then again, I am not really sure....I'm surprised you reached that conclusion. Agreed the punctuation could have been better, but considering I didn't use any words that would lead you to the mystifying conclusion that you've obviously reached, maybe you should to re-read the OP. Not just the punctuation....some sentences just do not make sense at all. If you're going to make an arguement, you should be direct to the point instead of writing a whole paragraph of grammatical error.Yeah, you're going to have to explain that to me because I'm reading it and it makes sense to me... Like I said it may not be perfect (it is spontaneous typing on SW) but I think it's understandable.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
cheezisgoooood
Overwhelmed? I'm sorry but I've been in plenty of electronics stores in the past two weeks alone and I barely even notice the blu-ray section in comparison to the 40 or so shelves of DVD's surrounding it. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both have a LOT of catching up to do, and honestly, not only do I know nobody who cares, I also don't know very many people who even knows what Blu-Ray is.
i know exactly what you mean,the blu-ray section in the circuit city next my house only has a couple of blu-ray movies.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="AfterShafter"]Doubt it. XBOX 360 can release an add-on for any type of drive they want.VoodooHakExactly. It's not an all in one, but an all in two, three or potential four different boxes. The point is simplify and Microsoft's strategy with 360 is anything but.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.CJL13
If Blu-Ray does finally take off it won't happen for at least another 3-5years from now. By then, M$ will be getting ready to bring out their next-gen system. Chances are good there will be other, better media formats out there that hold 100GB of storage on a single-sided disc. Of course Sony will be going for 10yrs with the PS3, so their format will be inferior to what else is out on the market and they won't have any way of swapping that Blu-Ray out of the PS3.
Blu-Ray is doing better now then HD-DVD. I see more advertisements and news for it then I do for HD-DVD, but it's still not selling very well. It's not a huge hit with most electronic fanatics. Many people are actually waiting for something better.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
CJL13
Actually I see few Blu-Ray disks, most of the movies section in my Target are DVDs.
Naturally, Blu-ray is a format just released... When DVD was first released, there were over 900 titles available before the year was out.Link? And more to the point how is that even the same. DVD was a move to a new movie format. BD is a move to a new era in visual entertainment at home. The parallels aren't even that same.DVDs were a new era after the whole VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc era. How is Blu-Ray/HD-DVD any different?
Because the formats are designed to exploit the advances in television technology.DVD did the same thing.
... This I have to hear.They upped the quality of the picture and sound, added menus to select scenes, subtitles, bonus features etc. It was able to fit more on a disc, and had the options of fullscreen and widescreen.
All of that was still designed within the constraints of CRT television technology. The new formats are designed for HD standard. Very few people seem to get that. Particularly on these pages.Back when the VHS came out TV's had knobs to change the channel and had bunny ears, though some TVs today still do the DVD still helped out those TVs as well as the current ones. It's not like Blu-Ray won't help the standard TV.
I think you're seriously losing the plot there. The point is the tube, visual, call it what you want, technology of TVs is moving from SD, which has been around for over 3 decades, to HD. DVD (taking into account upgrading of the image) isn't best suit to the demands of these new screen technologies. This is why consumers will move to the HD movie formats, because the technology behind the box, after decades of the same home standard is, finally moving to greater directions. Again, too many on these page don't recognise this or are just playing ignorant to it.So why do people keep buying SDTVs and Wiis if they're not high definition? Are you saying the DVD was a useless format?
Because it's a shift. And these shifts don't happen over night. Where did you get the idea I was suggesting DVD was a useless format. Quote me please.That's like saying a football game needs a football...[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]PS3 is gonna need more games. Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, and Devil May Cry can't carry the system forever.CJL13
And it does. :|
By missing the point you proceed to walk all over it...
I notice that, in true Sony fashion, your primary argument centers around everything other than games. My crystal ball tells me this will be an even worse year for Sony than last--with even more exclusives going multiplat. Fact? No. Gut feeling? Yes.CubeJLThat was actually the most logical thing i've heard in SW in. . . Forever. . .
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
CJL13
Actually I see few Blu-Ray disks, most of the movies section in my Target are DVDs.
Naturally, Blu-ray is a format just released... When DVD was first released, there were over 900 titles available before the year was out.Link? And more to the point how is that even the same. DVD was a move to a new movie format. BD is a move to a new era in visual entertainment at home. The parallels aren't even that same.DVDs were a new era after the whole VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc era. How is Blu-Ray/HD-DVD any different?
Because the formats are designed to exploit the advances in television technology.DVD did the same thing.
... This I have to hear.They upped the quality of the picture and sound, added menus to select scenes, subtitles, bonus features etc. It was able to fit more on a disc, and had the options of fullscreen and widescreen.
All of that was still designed within the constraints of CRT television technology. The new formats are designed for HD standard. Very few people seem to get that. Particularly on these pages.Back when the VHS came out TV's had knobs to change the channel and had bunny ears, though some TVs today still do the DVD still helped out those TVs as well as the current ones. It's not like Blu-Ray won't help the standard TV.
I think you're seriously losing the plot there. The point is the tube, visual, call it what you want, technology of TVs is moving from SD, which has been around for over 3 decades, to HD. DVD (taking into account upgrading of the image) isn't best suit to the demands of these new screen technologies. This is why consumers will move to the HD movie formats, because the technology behind the box, after decades of the same home standard is, finally moving to greater directions. Again, too many on these page don't recognise this or are just playing ignorant to it.So why do people keep buying SDTVs and Wiis if they're not high definition? Are you saying the DVD was a useless format?
Because it's a shift. And these shifts don't happen over night. Where did you get the idea I was suggesting DVD was a useless format. Quote me please.There.
My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Rashpaldvd > blu ray how many cows are realy gunna change all there dvd collections? if you want to see a crisp movie that mutch go 2 the theater... hell go 6 times its still cheeper than a blu-ray disk
[QUOTE="CubeJL"]I notice that, in true Sony fashion, your primary argument centers around everything other than games. My crystal ball tells me this will be an even worse year for Sony than last--with even more exclusives going multiplat. Fact? No. Gut feeling? Yes.BK-SleeperThat was actually the most logical thing i've heard in SW in. . . Forever. . .
Well, thank you.
My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Rashpal
Bold: Worldwide appeal? Where? The 360 is dominating the US and the Wii is obliterating both in Japan, explain to me where they have worldwide appeal?
As for the format, for gaming purposes, no HD format is neccesary, I buy my consoles to play games, all the other stuff is extra and MS makes that "extra" an option.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Nagidar
Bold: Worldwide appeal? Where? The 360 is dominating the US and the Wii is obliterating both in Japan, explain to me where they have worldwide appeal?
As for the format, for gaming purposes, no HD format is neccesary, I buy my consoles to play games, all the other stuff is extra and MS makes that "extra" an option.
The PLAYSTATION BRAND has worldwide appeal... that I believe is the end of that little debate. Can you link a factual statement that categorically confirms that HD formats aren't necessary for gaming???[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Rashpal
Bold: Worldwide appeal? Where? The 360 is dominating the US and the Wii is obliterating both in Japan, explain to me where they have worldwide appeal?
As for the format, for gaming purposes, no HD format is neccesary, I buy my consoles to play games, all the other stuff is extra and MS makes that "extra" an option.
The PLAYSTATION BRAND has worldwide appeal... that I believe is the end of that little debate. Can you link a factual statement that categorically confirms that HD formats aren't necessary for gaming???Again, where is the appeal, the PS3 is being dominated in BOTH america and Japan, you little debate just failed.
EDIT: And if you are refering to the PS2, well guess what, PS3 is the PLAYSTATION BRAND'S new console and it is be dominated, WORLDWIDE.
HD format, is the 360 not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3? Is the Wii not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3?
/thread
I notice that, in true Sony fashion, your primary argument centers around everything other than games. My crystal ball tells me this will be an even worse year for Sony than last--with even more exclusives going multiplat. Fact? No. Gut feeling? Yes.CubeJLMy gut feeling says you're wrong, but hey, it's just one gut against another gut!
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Nagidar
Bold: Worldwide appeal? Where? The 360 is dominating the US and the Wii is obliterating both in Japan, explain to me where they have worldwide appeal?
As for the format, for gaming purposes, no HD format is neccesary, I buy my consoles to play games, all the other stuff is extra and MS makes that "extra" an option.
The PLAYSTATION BRAND has worldwide appeal... that I believe is the end of that little debate. Can you link a factual statement that categorically confirms that HD formats aren't necessary for gaming???Again, where is the appeal, the PS3 is being dominated in BOTH america and Japan, you little debate just failed.
EDIT: And if you are refering to the PS2, well guess what, PS3 is the PLAYSTATION BRAND'S new console and it is be dominated, WORLDWIDE.
HD format, is the 360 not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3? Is the Wii not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3?
/thread
How you /thread is beyond me. You didn't address any of the points merely proceeded to create and address your own agendas. :roll:[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Rashpal
Bold: Worldwide appeal? Where? The 360 is dominating the US and the Wii is obliterating both in Japan, explain to me where they have worldwide appeal?
As for the format, for gaming purposes, no HD format is neccesary, I buy my consoles to play games, all the other stuff is extra and MS makes that "extra" an option.
The PLAYSTATION BRAND has worldwide appeal... that I believe is the end of that little debate. Can you link a factual statement that categorically confirms that HD formats aren't necessary for gaming???Again, where is the appeal, the PS3 is being dominated in BOTH america and Japan, you little debate just failed.
EDIT: And if you are refering to the PS2, well guess what, PS3 is the PLAYSTATION BRAND'S new console and it is be dominated, WORLDWIDE.
HD format, is the 360 not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3? Is the Wii not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3?
/thread
How you /thread is beyond me. You didn't address any of the points merely proceeded to create and address your own agendas. :roll:I addressed both your points, you pulling damage control on me?
[QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]A disk format has nothing to do with gaming.RashpalThe most narrow mind arguement I consistantly hear from predominately lemmings.
I for one don't give a crap about blu-ray or HD-DVD, and I don't think either one will have anything to do with the battle for console dominance.
CJL13
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
CJL13
Actually I see few Blu-Ray disks, most of the movies section in my Target are DVDs.
Naturally, Blu-ray is a format just released... When DVD was first released, there were over 900 titles available before the year was out.Link? And more to the point how is that even the same. DVD was a move to a new movie format. BD is a move to a new era in visual entertainment at home. The parallels aren't even that same.DVDs were a new era after the whole VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc era. How is Blu-Ray/HD-DVD any different?
Because the formats are designed to exploit the advances in television technology.DVD did the same thing.
... This I have to hear.They upped the quality of the picture and sound, added menus to select scenes, subtitles, bonus features etc. It was able to fit more on a disc, and had the options of fullscreen and widescreen.
All of that was still designed within the constraints of CRT television technology. The new formats are designed for HD standard. Very few people seem to get that. Particularly on these pages.Back when the VHS came out TV's had knobs to change the channel and had bunny ears, though some TVs today still do the DVD still helped out those TVs as well as the current ones. It's not like Blu-Ray won't help the standard TV.
I think you're seriously losing the plot there. The point is the tube, visual, call it what you want, technology of TVs is moving from SD, which has been around for over 3 decades, to HD. DVD (taking into account upgrading of the image) isn't best suit to the demands of these new screen technologies. This is why consumers will move to the HD movie formats, because the technology behind the box, after decades of the same home standard is, finally moving to greater directions. Again, too many on these page don't recognise this or are just playing ignorant to it.So why do people keep buying SDTVs and Wiis if they're not high definition? Are you saying the DVD was a useless format?
Because it's a shift. And these shifts don't happen over night. Where did you get the idea I was suggesting DVD was a useless format. Quote me please.There.
By "the box" I mean TV. I still fail to see how I imply that DVD was a "useless format".[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
Rashpal
Overwhelmed? I'm sorry but I've been in plenty of electronics stores in the past two weeks alone and I barely even notice the blu-ray section in comparison to the 40 or so shelves of DVD's surrounding it. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both have a LOT of catching up to do, and honestly, not only do I know nobody who cares, I also don't know very many people who even knows what Blu-Ray is.
I think you've misunderstood the point: the ascendency is towards HD and with the majority of studio support with Blu-ray, the design of the PS3 is better catered for the changes that are obviously gaining momentum.It is, but most gamers don't see the PS3 as a movie player. So it really doesn't matter what studios do or how many Blu-Ray movies they release. If only 2% of PS3 owner buy Blu-Ray movies for their PS3 it's not even going to scratch the surfice as to how many DVD's are sold each week. My point is, even if Blu-Ray does take off, it's not going to happen for another 3-5 years, so M$ could easily release another console within that time and adopt the format or even a better format. Get the point? This is why we say Blu-Ray isn't really needed right now in a game console.
As the cheapest BD player on the market the system doesn't just hold appeal for gamers. I for one will be getting for it's HD movie playback as well as for it's gaming. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. 3-5 years? You realise your whole argument there is fundamentally suggesting that you know better than Sony about this business. I'm sorry but that just makes me laugh. This time next year I'm sure you'll have changed your mind.A lot of people know better about this business then Sony. That's a fact. I'm sorry, but I'm laughing because PS3 were still sitting on retail shelves less then 2 months after release whereas you couldn't find a Wii or XBox 360 at this time during their launch. This time next year I'll be playing Gear of War 2 and probably still waiting for the price of the PS3 to drop. If people thought that Blu-Ray was such a big deal don't you think more PS3 would have been sold by now? :roll: A very small % of people are even interested in Blu-Ray. This is why you only see a few thousand sales of Blu-Ray movies each week. Instead of a few hundred thousand like you do with DVD. Right now Blu-Ray has a small niche market and if it doesn't start making sizable profits within the next 1-2yrs, studios will stop support it just like they have with the UMD. I can guarantee you that.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Nagidar
Bold: Worldwide appeal? Where? The 360 is dominating the US and the Wii is obliterating both in Japan, explain to me where they have worldwide appeal?
As for the format, for gaming purposes, no HD format is neccesary, I buy my consoles to play games, all the other stuff is extra and MS makes that "extra" an option.
The PLAYSTATION BRAND has worldwide appeal... that I believe is the end of that little debate. Can you link a factual statement that categorically confirms that HD formats aren't necessary for gaming???Again, where is the appeal, the PS3 is being dominated in BOTH america and Japan, you little debate just failed.
EDIT: And if you are refering to the PS2, well guess what, PS3 is the PLAYSTATION BRAND'S new console and it is be dominated, WORLDWIDE.
HD format, is the 360 not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3? Is the Wii not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3?
/thread
How you /thread is beyond me. You didn't address any of the points merely proceeded to create and address your own agendas. :roll:I addressed both your points, you pulling damage control on me?
The Playstation brand, my poorly informed friend, is everything with the Playstation logo on it which can be bought by the consumer. PS2, PSP, PS3: PS2 has and continues outsell 360 every month. I didn't raise the issue of sales dominance. You did. So now I've humoured you. So how about that link...[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]A disk format has nothing to do with gaming.RaideaThe most narrow mind arguement I consistantly hear from predominately lemmings.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
blackace
Overwhelmed? I'm sorry but I've been in plenty of electronics stores in the past two weeks alone and I barely even notice the blu-ray section in comparison to the 40 or so shelves of DVD's surrounding it. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both have a LOT of catching up to do, and honestly, not only do I know nobody who cares, I also don't know very many people who even knows what Blu-Ray is.
I think you've misunderstood the point: the ascendency is towards HD and with the majority of studio support with Blu-ray, the design of the PS3 is better catered for the changes that are obviously gaining momentum.It is, but most gamers don't see the PS3 as a movie player. So it really doesn't matter what studios do or how many Blu-Ray movies they release. If only 2% of PS3 owner buy Blu-Ray movies for their PS3 it's not even going to scratch the surfice as to how many DVD's are sold each week. My point is, even if Blu-Ray does take off, it's not going to happen for another 3-5 years, so M$ could easily release another console within that time and adopt the format or even a better format. Get the point? This is why we say Blu-Ray isn't really needed right now in a game console.
As the cheapest BD player on the market the system doesn't just hold appeal for gamers. I for one will be getting for it's HD movie playback as well as for it's gaming. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. 3-5 years? You realise your whole argument there is fundamentally suggesting that you know better than Sony about this business. I'm sorry but that just makes me laugh. This time next year I'm sure you'll have changed your mind.A lot of people know better about this business then Sony. That's a fact. I'm sorry, but I'm laughing because PS3 were still sitting on retail shelves less then 2 months after release whereas you couldn't find a Wii or XBox 360 at this time during their launch. This time next year I'll be playing Gear of War 2 and probably still waiting for the price of the PS3 to drop. If people thought that Blu-Ray was such a big deal don't you think more PS3 would have been sold by now? :roll: A very small % of people are even interested in Blu-Ray. This is why you only see a few thousand sales of Blu-Ray movies each week. Instead of a few hundred thousand like you do with DVD. Right now Blu-Ray has a small niche market and if it doesn't start making sizable profits within the next 1-2yrs, studios will stop support it just like they have with the UMD. I can guarantee you that.
I guarantee you this your pessimism is premature.[QUOTE="CJL13"]Rashpal
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now. I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.
I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.
CJL13
Actually I see few Blu-Ray disks, most of the movies section in my Target are DVDs.
Naturally, Blu-ray is a format just released... When DVD was first released, there were over 900 titles available before the year was out.Link? And more to the point how is that even the same. DVD was a move to a new movie format. BD is a move to a new era in visual entertainment at home. The parallels aren't even that same.DVDs were a new era after the whole VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc era. How is Blu-Ray/HD-DVD any different?
Because the formats are designed to exploit the advances in television technology.DVD did the same thing.
... This I have to hear.They upped the quality of the picture and sound, added menus to select scenes, subtitles, bonus features etc. It was able to fit more on a disc, and had the options of fullscreen and widescreen.
All of that was still designed within the constraints of CRT television technology. The new formats are designed for HD standard. Very few people seem to get that. Particularly on these pages.Back when the VHS came out TV's had knobs to change the channel and had bunny ears, though some TVs today still do the DVD still helped out those TVs as well as the current ones. It's not like Blu-Ray won't help the standard TV.
I think you're seriously losing the plot there. The point is the tube, visual, call it what you want, technology of TVs is moving from SD, which has been around for over 3 decades, to HD. DVD (taking into account upgrading of the image) isn't best suit to the demands of these new screen technologies. This is why consumers will move to the HD movie formats, because the technology behind the box, after decades of the same home standard is, finally moving to greater directions. Again, too many on these page don't recognise this or are just playing ignorant to it.So why do people keep buying SDTVs and Wiis if they're not high definition? Are you saying the DVD was a useless format?
Because it's a shift. And these shifts don't happen over night. Where did you get the idea I was suggesting DVD was a useless format. Quote me please.There.
By "the box" I mean TV. I still fail to see how I imply that DVD was a "useless format".It must've been the way you put it. As for TVs though not definition wise it has upgraded through the remoteless bunny ear days of the 80s.
Sounds like he works for a Sony PR firm to me.psyko7144
He does, doesn't he. Unfortunately we've heard these type of predictions before by Sony, fanboys and cows alike. Many of his comments are just opinions and hopeful wishes. No one really knows what things will be like a year from now. Even with an increase in Blu-Ray movie sales, that doesn't mean it'll be the format of choice 3yrs from now. As I said previously. There are other formats that may be launched before that time that actually make a leap above DVD picture quality and storage capacity. For now people are still going to stick with DVD's.
[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.Rashpal
Bold: Worldwide appeal? Where? The 360 is dominating the US and the Wii is obliterating both in Japan, explain to me where they have worldwide appeal?
As for the format, for gaming purposes, no HD format is neccesary, I buy my consoles to play games, all the other stuff is extra and MS makes that "extra" an option.
The PLAYSTATION BRAND has worldwide appeal... that I believe is the end of that little debate. Can you link a factual statement that categorically confirms that HD formats aren't necessary for gaming???Again, where is the appeal, the PS3 is being dominated in BOTH america and Japan, you little debate just failed.
EDIT: And if you are refering to the PS2, well guess what, PS3 is the PLAYSTATION BRAND'S new console and it is be dominated, WORLDWIDE.
HD format, is the 360 not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3? Is the Wii not leading in worldwide sales over the PS3?
/thread
How you /thread is beyond me. You didn't address any of the points merely proceeded to create and address your own agendas. :roll:I addressed both your points, you pulling damage control on me?
The Playstation brand, my poorly informed friend, is everything with the Playstation logo on it which can be bought by the consumer. PS2, PSP, PS3: PS2 has and continues outsell 360 every month. I didn't raise the issue of sales dominance. You did. So now I've humoured you. So how about that link... your a fool microsoft > sony i bet you useing a windows pc right now so: you = failSimple answer: NO
Complex answer: $^%&* NO!
It must've been the way you put it. As for TVs though not definition wise it has upgraded through the remoteless bunny ear days of the 80s.CJL13You're fundamentally missing the point. HD is a big shift in television screen technology which is clear to all who come to appreciate it. Blu-ray and HD-DVDs are formats which have been designed to succeed DVD for this new TV standard. In terms of design PS3 is eloqently suited to this new generation in home entertainment. 360 in contrast, with it's lack of HDMI, standard HD format (for gaming or otherwise) and limited HDD space, is destined to become dated sooner rather than later.
[QUOTE="psyko7144"]Sounds like he works for a Sony PR firm to me.blackace
He does, doesn't he. Unfortunately we've heard these type of predictions before by Sony, fanboys and cows alike. Many of his comments are just opinions and hopeful wishes. No one really knows what things will be like a year from now. Even with an increase in Blu-Ray movie sales, that doesn't mean it'll be the format of choice 3yrs from now. As I said previously. There are other formats that may be launched before that time that actually make a leap above DVD picture quality and storage capacity. For now people are still going to stick with DVD's.
I could argue your's too are opinions and hopeful wishes...[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]A disk format has nothing to do with gaming.RashpalThe most narrow mind arguement I consistantly hear from predominately lemmings.
[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]A disk format has nothing to do with gaming.RaideaThe most narrow mind arguement I consistantly hear from predominately lemmings.
Currently, yes. Down the road? When graphics get even better? High definition sound?
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