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#151 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="jaysin1414"]

Simple answer:  NO

Complex answer:  $^%&* NO!

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Wow!!! The 13 years have woken up!

go watch your anime cartoons you cow

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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]

Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now.  I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.

I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.

Rashpal

I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.

Overwhelmed?  I'm sorry but I've been in plenty of electronics stores in the past two weeks alone and I barely even notice the blu-ray section in comparison to the 40 or so shelves of DVD's surrounding it.  Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both have a LOT of catching up to do, and honestly, not only do I know nobody who cares, I also don't know very many people who even knows what Blu-Ray is.

I think you've misunderstood the point: the ascendency is towards HD and with the majority of studio support with Blu-ray, the design of the PS3 is better catered for the changes that are obviously gaining momentum.

It is, but most gamers don't see the PS3 as a movie player. So it really doesn't matter what studios do or how many Blu-Ray movies they release. If only 2% of PS3 owner buy Blu-Ray movies for their PS3 it's not even going to scratch the surfice as to how many DVD's are sold each week. My point is, even if Blu-Ray does take off, it's not going to happen for another 3-5 years, so M$ could easily release another console within that time and adopt the format or even a better format. Get the point? This is why we say Blu-Ray isn't really needed right now in a game console.

As the cheapest BD player on the market the system doesn't just hold appeal for gamers. I for one will be getting for it's HD movie playback as well as for it's gaming. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. 3-5 years? You realise your whole argument there is fundamentally suggesting that you know better than Sony about this business. I'm sorry but that just makes me laugh. This time next year I'm sure you'll have changed your mind.

A lot of people know better about this business then Sony. That's a fact. I'm sorry, but I'm laughing because PS3 were still sitting on retail shelves less then 2 months after release whereas you couldn't find a Wii or XBox 360 at this time during their launch. This time next year I'll be playing Gear of War 2 and probably still waiting for the price of the PS3 to drop. If people thought that Blu-Ray was such a big deal don't you think more PS3 would have been sold by now? :roll: A very small % of people are even interested in Blu-Ray. This is why you only see a few thousand sales of Blu-Ray movies each week. Instead of a few hundred thousand like you do with DVD. Right now Blu-Ray has a small niche market and if it doesn't start making sizable profits within the next 1-2yrs, studios will stop support it just like they have with the UMD. I can guarantee you that.

I guarantee you this your pessimism is premature.

We'll see. Studios are in the business of making money. Right now they really aren't making much of a profit with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.

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#153 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="SuperVegeta518"]A disk format has nothing to do with gaming.Raidea
The most narrow mind arguement I consistantly hear from predominately lemmings.



Actually, he does have a point, how is that narrow minded? The Blu-ray will do little to enhance games, the 360 has already shown high definition games can be produced without even using 9GB of space.

Well for starters his intially statement is the most uninformed and immature remark I've read so far. If the disk format didn't matter we'd still be playing of multiple CDs today. As for the advantages for games, just as there's no grounded argument for the BD format there isn't one against it either. I will say this however, just as every PS3 purchase qualifies as a BD player in the home, every none gaming purchase of the system potentially expands the gaming market.



Sorry, I havn't read the thread properly.

By 'tables are turning' I actually thought you meant something more significant than Sony simply selling more Blu-Ray disks.

You're right you haven't read the thread properly.
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#154 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="cheezisgoooood"]

Blu-Ray won't have a chance to take off until at LEAST a couple of years from now.  I still don't know anybody who even gives a damn about the format.

I say this is the year the tables are turned in favor of the sheep.

blackace

I don't know about that. Go into any electronics store in a shopping centre or high street and you'll be overwhelmed with the push towards HD. The studios will decide which format succeeds and at the moment the momentum is with Blu-ray.

Overwhelmed?  I'm sorry but I've been in plenty of electronics stores in the past two weeks alone and I barely even notice the blu-ray section in comparison to the 40 or so shelves of DVD's surrounding it.  Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both have a LOT of catching up to do, and honestly, not only do I know nobody who cares, I also don't know very many people who even knows what Blu-Ray is.

I think you've misunderstood the point: the ascendency is towards HD and with the majority of studio support with Blu-ray, the design of the PS3 is better catered for the changes that are obviously gaining momentum.

It is, but most gamers don't see the PS3 as a movie player. So it really doesn't matter what studios do or how many Blu-Ray movies they release. If only 2% of PS3 owner buy Blu-Ray movies for their PS3 it's not even going to scratch the surfice as to how many DVD's are sold each week. My point is, even if Blu-Ray does take off, it's not going to happen for another 3-5 years, so M$ could easily release another console within that time and adopt the format or even a better format. Get the point? This is why we say Blu-Ray isn't really needed right now in a game console.

As the cheapest BD player on the market the system doesn't just hold appeal for gamers. I for one will be getting for it's HD movie playback as well as for it's gaming. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. 3-5 years? You realise your whole argument there is fundamentally suggesting that you know better than Sony about this business. I'm sorry but that just makes me laugh. This time next year I'm sure you'll have changed your mind.

A lot of people know better about this business then Sony. That's a fact. I'm sorry, but I'm laughing because PS3 were still sitting on retail shelves less then 2 months after release whereas you couldn't find a Wii or XBox 360 at this time during their launch. This time next year I'll be playing Gear of War 2 and probably still waiting for the price of the PS3 to drop. If people thought that Blu-Ray was such a big deal don't you think more PS3 would have been sold by now? :roll: A very small % of people are even interested in Blu-Ray. This is why you only see a few thousand sales of Blu-Ray movies each week. Instead of a few hundred thousand like you do with DVD. Right now Blu-Ray has a small niche market and if it doesn't start making sizable profits within the next 1-2yrs, studios will stop support it just like they have with the UMD. I can guarantee you that.

I guarantee you this your pessimism is premature.

We'll see. Studios are in the business of making money. Right now they really aren't making much of a profit with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.

Indeed: lets wait and see.
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#155 Dead_Menn
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[QUOTE="Dead_Menn"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="jaysin1414"]

Simple answer:  NO

Complex answer:  $^%&* NO!

Rashpal
Wow!!! The 13 years have woken up!

go watch your anime cartoons you cow

Please leave.

who watches cartoons? kids, which explains your foolish argument!
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#156 Raidea
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Currently, yes. Down the road? When graphics get even better? High definition sound?Mordred19


Sound could be a factor. But graphics won't be.

If you have a look at the disk spaces from first gen Xbox games to last gen (with greatly enhanced graphics) you'll see that the size doesn't change much, if any. I found an interesting article on it a while back.

But 7.1 sound does eat up space, there is no denying that.
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#157 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Dead_Menn"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="jaysin1414"]

Simple answer:  NO

Complex answer:  $^%&* NO!

Dead_Menn
Wow!!! The 13 years have woken up!

go watch your anime cartoons you cow

Please leave.

who watches cartoons? kids, which explains your foolish argument!

Yeah, you're the one chatting rubbish which has little to do with the thread and I'm the kid. Get out.
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#158 blackace
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[QUOTE="CJL13"]It must've been the way you put it. As for TVs though not definition wise it has upgraded through the remoteless bunny ear days of the 80s.Rashpal
You're fundamentally missing the point. HD is a big shift in television screen technology which is clear to all who come to appreciate it. Blu-ray and HD-DVDs are formats which have been designed to succeed DVD for this new TV standard. In terms of design PS3 is eloqently suited to this new generation in home entertainment. 360 in contrast, with it's lack of HDMI, standard HD format (for gaming or otherwise) and limited HDD space, is destined to become dated sooner rather than later.

It'll be a lot later I can tell you that. You do know that there are DVD players that can upscale to 1080p resolution right? You don't have to pay $600 for it either. Technology, it's an amazing thing. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD aren't even needed.

http://www.neodigits.com/new/body/products/h4000/h4000.asp

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#159 Raidea
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[QUOTE="Dead_Menn"]who watches cartoons? kids, which explains your foolish argument!



Akira isn't a kids cartoon.
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#160 AB_Uppercut
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i hope all you cows have fun with your waitstaion3

hey where are your AAA's?

Dead_Menn

I hope you have fun with your breakbox 360, what console are you on know, let me guess 10th !

Whats that bell?, oh yeah its time to upgrade your crapbox to level up with PS3 :lol:

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#161 Dead_Menn
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[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Dead_Menn"]who watches cartoons? kids, which explains your foolish argument!



Akira isn't a kids cartoon.

real life > cartoons
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#162 Dead_Menn
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[QUOTE="Dead_Menn"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Dead_Menn"]who watches cartoons? kids, which explains your foolish argument!



Akira isn't a kids cartoon.

real life > cartoons

poo > ps3
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#163 Raidea
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It'll be a lot later I can tell you that. You do know that there are DVD players that can upscale to 1080p resolution right? You don't have to pay $600 for it either. Technology, it's an amazing thing. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD aren't even needed.blackace


I agree, that's why I thought MS took the intelligent option in not putting a HD-DVD player in their machine, they don't have all their eggs in one basket, they could even back up and invest in Blu-Ray addons if that format becomes popular.

I honestly believe it will be a couple of years until a new format is really embraced.
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"]It must've been the way you put it. As for TVs though not definition wise it has upgraded through the remoteless bunny ear days of the 80s.blackace

You're fundamentally missing the point. HD is a big shift in television screen technology which is clear to all who come to appreciate it. Blu-ray and HD-DVDs are formats which have been designed to succeed DVD for this new TV standard. In terms of design PS3 is eloqently suited to this new generation in home entertainment. 360 in contrast, with it's lack of HDMI, standard HD format (for gaming or otherwise) and limited HDD space, is destined to become dated sooner rather than later.

It'll be a lot later I can tell you that. You do know that there are DVD players that can upscale to 1080p resolution right? You don't have to pay $600 for it either. Technology, it's an amazing thing. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD aren't even needed.

http://www.neodigits.com/new/body/products/h4000/h4000.asp

Well, you're now backing I earlier rebutall that you too might be wishfully thinking. Come on have some self respect. An upgraded DVD makes HD formats redundent? :roll:
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#165 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="Dead_Menn"][QUOTE="Dead_Menn"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Dead_Menn"]who watches cartoons? kids, which explains your foolish argument!



Akira isn't a kids cartoon.

real life > cartoons

poo > ps3

baby>you
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My best bet is that this media war will flop on both sides.  Digital Downloaded Media will prevail overall in the future.  Just look at downloadable movies and TV shows, much cheaper and at your fingertips when you turn on your PC or Xbox 360.

Like somebody else mentioned, you can run anything downloaded from a PC onto the 360 such as HD movies .  Blue Ray will fail as will HD-DVD in the long run.

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#167 blackace
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[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="psyko7144"]Sounds like he works for a Sony PR firm to me.Rashpal

He does, doesn't he. Unfortunately we've heard these type of predictions before by Sony, fanboys and cows alike. Many of his comments are just opinions and hopeful wishes. No one really knows what things will be like a year from now. Even with an increase in Blu-Ray movie sales, that doesn't mean it'll be the format of choice 3yrs from now. As I said previously. There are other formats that may be launched before that time that actually make a leap above DVD picture quality and storage capacity. For now people are still going to stick with DVD's.

I could argue your's too are opinions and hopeful wishes...

You could, but unlike most of Sony, fanboys and cows alike, most of mine are usually right. When I'm wrong I have the gut to say so. Sony doesn't. Remember the PS2 DVD drive failing and all the issues with the PS1? Sony would never admit either system were having problems and played gamers and shipping companies for the problem with the systems. Cows screaming about exclusives like Assassin's Creed, UT07 & Mercenaries never being released on the Xbox 360. I was right about that too. :roll: Still, if you read my comments above I said that, "No one really knows what things will be like a year from now. "

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Topic creator, if blue ray was truly this great thing your making it out to be more PS3's would be selling, not sitting on shelves.

The truth is the difference between VHS to DVD was a much larger gap then from DVD to HD. The average consumer just doesn't need it. DVD had many features that were superior to VHS. Currently the only difference HD movies are offering is resolution (that you need a high def tv to even use)

The PS3 will not be able to use Blue Ray as an advantage like the PS2 used DVD.

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[QUOTE="blackace"]It'll be a lot later I can tell you that. You do know that there are DVD players that can upscale to 1080p resolution right? You don't have to pay $600 for it either. Technology, it's an amazing thing. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD aren't even needed.Raidea


I agree, that's why I thought MS took the intelligent option in not putting a HD-DVD player in their machine, they don't have all their eggs in one basket, they could even back up and invest in Blu-Ray addons if that format becomes popular.

I honestly believe it will be a couple of years until a new format is really embraced.

MS rushed the 360 out into the market as fast as they could, probably without even considering HD-DVD. They are not infallible.

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#170 Dead_Menn
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[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"]It must've been the way you put it. As for TVs though not definition wise it has upgraded through the remoteless bunny ear days of the 80s.Rashpal

You're fundamentally missing the point. HD is a big shift in television screen technology which is clear to all who come to appreciate it. Blu-ray and HD-DVDs are formats which have been designed to succeed DVD for this new TV standard. In terms of design PS3 is eloqently suited to this new generation in home entertainment. 360 in contrast, with it's lack of HDMI, standard HD format (for gaming or otherwise) and limited HDD space, is destined to become dated sooner rather than later.

It'll be a lot later I can tell you that. You do know that there are DVD players that can upscale to 1080p resolution right? You don't have to pay $600 for it either. Technology, it's an amazing thing. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD aren't even needed.

http://www.neodigits.com/new/body/products/h4000/h4000.asp

Well, you're now backing I earlier rebutall that you too might be wishfully thinking. Come on have some self respect. An upgraded DVD makes HD formats redundent? :roll:

i dont understand how cows just take flop after flop, almost everything a cow says is damage control... remember the 120 fps 1080p 4D ps3, with the all powerful cell, yet its not selling, blu-ray is flopping, and cows are waiting on the waitstation3 more than ever!!! just trade it in well you still can.
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[QUOTE="blackace"]It'll be a lot later I can tell you that. You do know that there are DVD players that can upscale to 1080p resolution right? You don't have to pay $600 for it either. Technology, it's an amazing thing. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD aren't even needed.Raidea


I agree, that's why I thought MS took the intelligent option in not putting a HD-DVD player in their machine, they don't have all their eggs in one basket, they could even back up and invest in Blu-Ray addons if that format becomes popular.

I honestly believe it will be a couple of years until a new format is really embraced.

The move to not include HD-DVD on Microsoft's part was more one of necessity than intelligence...
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You could argue that the popularity of videos streamed or downloaded, even at very low quality shows that the average person doesn't care about how crisp a picture is, or how well sampled the sound is, they just care about watching the movie. 
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#173 Dead_Menn
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Dead_Menn"][QUOTE="Dead_Menn"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Dead_Menn"]who watches cartoons? kids, which explains your foolish argument!



Akira isn't a kids cartoon.

real life > cartoons

poo > ps3

baby>you

if by baby you mean farmer, cuz i own alot of cows
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#174 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="psyko7144"]Sounds like he works for a Sony PR firm to me.blackace

He does, doesn't he. Unfortunately we've heard these type of predictions before by Sony, fanboys and cows alike. Many of his comments are just opinions and hopeful wishes. No one really knows what things will be like a year from now. Even with an increase in Blu-Ray movie sales, that doesn't mean it'll be the format of choice 3yrs from now. As I said previously. There are other formats that may be launched before that time that actually make a leap above DVD picture quality and storage capacity. For now people are still going to stick with DVD's.

I could argue your's too are opinions and hopeful wishes...

You could, but unlike most of Sony, fanboys and cows alike, most of mine are usually right. When I'm wrong I have the gut to say so. Sony doesn't. Remember the PS2 DVD drive failing and all the issues with the PS1? Sony would never admit either system were having problems and played gamers and shipping companies for the problem with the systems. Cows screaming about exclusives like Assassin's Creed, UT07 & Mercenaries never being released on the Xbox 360. I was right about that too. :roll: Still, if you read my comments above I said that, "No one really knows what things will be like a year from now. "

Indeed. You have your take on the debate, I have mine. As I said earlier lets wait and see.
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"]My last thread on this was locked so let me try again with greater detail. Last year a substanial amount of lemmings on this site were backing HD-DVD to thrash Blu-ray. If Blu-ray wins won't that by definition be considered a flop? After all it would vindicate Sony's decide to include the format as standard in PS3 (I know it can be argued that conversely it also vindicates Microsoft's decision to not include HD-DVD as standard in 360, but lets get really here this gen is about the all in one set top box and without a standard dedicated HD format 360's case as a media hub is weaker than the competition's). With Blu-ray in the ascendency and HDTV penetration also picking up 360's appeal as a digital hub for the consumers entertainment needs will lessen. As Phil Harrison said recently, with the launch period fully out the way Sony's attention will shift to software, so the games will come. Couple that with the worldwide appeal of the Playstation brand, you have to ask: is this the period that will make or break Microsoft challenge to Sony's dominance. Will this be the year in which the cows' turn the tables on the Lemmings? Blu-ray, I suspect is the beginning of much ownage to come.rdo
look at the sales,  bluray isn't an advantage,  it's a liability.  they ps3 is flopping,  and will take bluray with it.  10 years from now the ps3 will be as rare as a betamax player.  sony bet the farm on a format war even thos they have lost every format war in their history.  you would be like you betting me everything you own that this time when you drop a ball it's going to fall up and not down.  ken has killed sony,  the cows are just so in denial they dont know it yet.  also the year of halo3 could never be a bad year for lemmings.  the ownage started in nov 2005.

Those are very bold statements on your part.  Ok, so Blu-Ray is having a slow start.  So did DVD.  It took 3 or 4 years b4 the DVD format really took off.  720p and 1080i are common...and now 1080p is becoming more common as well.  What happens when 2180p arrives?  At the rate of technology, it may be sooner than we all think.  We will absolutely have to have the Blu-Ray format to hold that much data.  I'm rooting for Blu-Ray because it can store more data...something which we will all eventually need is more storage. 

One a side note...I thought most studios were backing Blu-Ray over HD-DVD...

2nd side note...PS3 as rare as a betamax player in 10 years you say?  You've gotta be joking.

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The move to not include HD-DVD on Microsoft's part was more one of necessity than intelligence...Rashpal


How so? What stopped them including it?
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lol i dont even think there is any anime on blu-ray HAHA
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#178 blackace
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[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"]It must've been the way you put it. As for TVs though not definition wise it has upgraded through the remoteless bunny ear days of the 80s.Rashpal

You're fundamentally missing the point. HD is a big shift in television screen technology which is clear to all who come to appreciate it. Blu-ray and HD-DVDs are formats which have been designed to succeed DVD for this new TV standard. In terms of design PS3 is eloqently suited to this new generation in home entertainment. 360 in contrast, with it's lack of HDMI, standard HD format (for gaming or otherwise) and limited HDD space, is destined to become dated sooner rather than later.

It'll be a lot later I can tell you that. You do know that there are DVD players that can upscale to 1080p resolution right? You don't have to pay $600 for it either. Technology, it's an amazing thing. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD aren't even needed.

http://www.neodigits.com/new/body/products/h4000/h4000.asp

Well, you're now backing I earlier rebutall that you too might be wishfully thinking. Come on have some self respect. An upgraded DVD makes HD formats redundent? :roll:

It's a option for people who don't want to spend $500+ on a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player and then have to buy all those movies over again. I may actually get one of these DVD players. I can watch movies in a higher resolution at a cheaper price. I don't see anything wrong with that,. In this case, it's not wishful thinking. It's a fact. The products are there and available for consumers.

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[QUOTE="Rashpal"]The move to not include HD-DVD on Microsoft's part was more one of necessity than intelligence...Raidea


How so? What stopped them including it?

Time. HD-DVD wasn't ready for when Microsoft planned to release 360, so they went ahead with the release because the head start was more important to their strategy. They've since clouded this with their "force" and "choices" propaganda.
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You could argue that the popularity of videos streamed or downloaded, even at very low quality shows that the average person doesn't care about how crisp a picture is, or how well sampled the sound is, they just care about watching the movie. Raidea

I can agree with that, especially when there is YouTube.com and many other site like it that are very popular.

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#181 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="CJL13"]It must've been the way you put it. As for TVs though not definition wise it has upgraded through the remoteless bunny ear days of the 80s.blackace

You're fundamentally missing the point. HD is a big shift in television screen technology which is clear to all who come to appreciate it. Blu-ray and HD-DVDs are formats which have been designed to succeed DVD for this new TV standard. In terms of design PS3 is eloqently suited to this new generation in home entertainment. 360 in contrast, with it's lack of HDMI, standard HD format (for gaming or otherwise) and limited HDD space, is destined to become dated sooner rather than later.

It'll be a lot later I can tell you that. You do know that there are DVD players that can upscale to 1080p resolution right? You don't have to pay $600 for it either. Technology, it's an amazing thing. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD aren't even needed.

http://www.neodigits.com/new/body/products/h4000/h4000.asp

Well, you're now backing I earlier rebutall that you too might be wishfully thinking. Come on have some self respect. An upgraded DVD makes HD formats redundent? :roll:

It's a option for people who don't want to spend $500+ on a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player and then have to buy all those movies over again. I may actually get one of these DVD players. I can watch movies in a higher resolution at a cheaper price. I don't see anything wrong with that,. In this case, it's not wishful thinking. It's a fact. The products are there and available for consumers.

Whether it's a viable mainstream consumer product is another matter...
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#182 Rashpal
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I'd love to continue, but I've got work in the morning so, later.
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#183 blackace
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lol i dont even think there is any anime on blu-ray HAHADead_Menn

You know, I don't even know if there is or not. I just picked up Dragon Ball Z (season 1) on DVD though. I wonder if they could fit all 39 episodes on one Blu-Ray disc? :roll: That's one thing BR would be good for and that's Box Sets.

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[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]The move to not include HD-DVD on Microsoft's part was more one of necessity than intelligence...Rashpal


How so? What stopped them including it?

Time. HD-DVD wasn't ready for when Microsoft planned to release 360, so they went ahead with the release because the head start was more important to their strategy. They've since clouded this with their "force" and "choices" propaganda.



So with 10 million of their console sold, a year ahead of all competition, not putting an unneeded format into their console which could potential cost them huge amounts of money and time was not an intelligent move?

I fail to see your point.

As for propaganda, all companies have it. Like the Sony propaganda of games actually needing Blu-Ray.
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]The move to not include HD-DVD on Microsoft's part was more one of necessity than intelligence...Raidea


How so? What stopped them including it?

Time. HD-DVD wasn't ready for when Microsoft planned to release 360, so they went ahead with the release because the head start was more important to their strategy. They've since clouded this with their "force" and "choices" propaganda.



So with 10 million of their console sold, a year ahead of all competition, not putting an unneeded format into their console which could potential cost them huge amounts of money and time was not an intelligent move?

I fail to see your point.

As for propaganda, all companies have it. Like the Sony propaganda of games actually needing Blu-Ray.

I really have to shoot so quickly: I didn't say it wasn't intelligent I merely pointed out that it wasn't a consious decide on their part. It was a decide very much... "forced" ( :wink: like what I did there) upon them. As for propaganda, well like you said it's propaganda. I think sometimes you read too much into the words.
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#186 blackace
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[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]The move to not include HD-DVD on Microsoft's part was more one of necessity than intelligence...Rashpal


How so? What stopped them including it?

Time. HD-DVD wasn't ready for when Microsoft planned to release 360, so they went ahead with the release because the head start was more important to their strategy. They've since clouded this with their "force" and "choices" propaganda.

Well, that was a smart move and so far it's actually working just fine for them. They have twice the amount of system in the market over their competition and 3x's as many quality titles. For some reason, I just don't see that as a bad thing. The HD-DVD obviously wasn't needed to produce quality titles for the XBox 360. Games like Gears of War, Oblivion, Lost Planet, Dead Rising and the soon to be released Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed & Bioshock are pure proof of that.

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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="AfterShafter"]Doubt it. XBOX 360 can release an add-on for any type of drive they want.VoodooHak
Exactly. It's not an all in one, but an all in two, three or potential four different boxes. The point is simplify and Microsoft's strategy with 360 is anything but.



The simplicity lies in its flexibility. MS went with the dominant format now which is DVD. If HDDVD wins the format war, they're set with the 360. If Blu-ray wins, there's nothing to stop MS from adding a BR drive. In terms of the the format race, MS has a contingency plan for whatever winner is crowned.

Sony doesn't have that type of flexibility.



somewghat agree. Somewhat disagree.
The simplicity lies in superior hardware, and a trememdous gamming library comming on the PS3's part. We all know this is comming.
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Blu-Ray will probably end up winning, but that doesn't have anything to do with lemmings.....Because we all know if the 360 came out when it did with HD-DVD, it will be leading.
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="Rashpal"]The move to not include HD-DVD on Microsoft's part was more one of necessity than intelligence...blackace



How so? What stopped them including it?

Time. HD-DVD wasn't ready for when Microsoft planned to release 360, so they went ahead with the release because the head start was more important to their strategy. They've since clouded this with their "force" and "choices" propaganda.

Well, that was a smart move and so far it's actually working just fine for them. They have twice the amount of system in the market over their competition and 3x's as many quality titles. For some reason, I just don't see that as a bad thing. The HD-DVD obviously wasn't needed to produce quality titles for the XBox 360. Games like Gears of War, Oblivion, Lost Planet, Dead Rising and the soon to be released Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed & Bioshock are pure proof of that.

Well, I don't think anybody accepted different. As I've said time will truly tell the advantages and disadvantages of their early move. Personally, I don't think they had the luxury of choice and by forcing their hand 360 will, in the long run, be the inferior product.