It is a FACT that the Dual Shock 3 is better than the Xbox 360 controller.

[QUOTE="halokillerz"]360 analog sticks are better than the ps3's. Why? their positions on the controller, which is far more important than the negligible 10 and 8 bit difference of each controller. Also, the shape of the top of the analog sticks make it better to use. This is not my opinion, it is fact. U just spew out some numbers without taking into consideration their actual applicable effects. You wanted actual reasons, this reason alone makes the 360 controller better than the ps3 controllers. The ps3 has a better d-pad and motion sensing but analog sticks are much more important since its used in more games. I like how the ps3's controller supports usb charging except for the part where the wire is so short that u cant plug and play which totally destroys half its use. Also, it isnt hard to invest in rechargeable AA batteries which counters the rechargeable argument, and u can use the batteries for other electronics too :O Just for fun, ill throw in the fact that u have the option to buy a cheaper wired controller that also works on the pc, and most games support it very well.arkephonic

Let me show you how facts and opinions differ from each other.

The preference of position and shape of the top of the analog sticks on the PS3 and 360 controller is an opinion. For instance, I prefer the position and shape of the top of the PS3 analog sticks over the 360 analog sticks. There's a reason I didn't mention that in the OP, it is just an opinion, it holds no weight in any argument what so ever. The fact that you prefer the position and shape of the 360 analog stick is meaningless. It is a FACT that the PS3 Dualshock 3 controller uses 10-bit analog precision, whereas the 360 controller uses 8-bit analog precision. 10-bit analog precision is superior to 8-bit analog precision. That is a fact. This means that it is a FACT that the PS3 analog sticks are better because they are more precise.

Funny how you bring up rechargable AA batteries. Those don't come with a 360, you have to go buy them seperately. Well guess what? The USB connector cable for the PS3 Dualshock 3 is a universal USB connector cable, the same one included with most USB devices and sold almost everywhere. You claim that the cable to charge a PS3 Dualshock 3 controller is "so short that u cant plug a play". You can go to the store and buy a 25 foot USB connector cable, problem solved.

You're not very good at this whole argument thing. Your "opinions" don't measure up very well to my facts. 8)

So buying rechargeable batteries is a negative to the 360 controller, but buying a 25 foot cable for the DS is all right?

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="hippiesanta"]Many people want to see MGS4 in xbox360.... but how could you assasinate screaming mantis without sixaxis.....MirkoS77

Thank God.

Do all of you who defend the DS3 know that it's designed to be disposable? Go into any store and look at the back of any DS3 box (in fine print): "how to dispose of wireless controller". That's a first I've ever seen in my 28 years of gaming.....disposable hardware. I couldn't believe what I was reading when I first saw that. Now everytime I pick one up I know why it feels so light and cheap.

By law, you need to have disposable instructions for anything that has a rechargable battery because it is bad for the earth if you just throw it away. It's not there because the controller is cheaply made...

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="halokillerz"]360 analog sticks are better than the ps3's. Why? their positions on the controller, which is far more important than the negligible 10 and 8 bit difference of each controller. Also, the shape of the top of the analog sticks make it better to use. This is not my opinion, it is fact. U just spew out some numbers without taking into consideration their actual applicable effects. You wanted actual reasons, this reason alone makes the 360 controller better than the ps3 controllers. The ps3 has a better d-pad and motion sensing but analog sticks are much more important since its used in more games. I like how the ps3's controller supports usb charging except for the part where the wire is so short that u cant plug and play which totally destroys half its use. Also, it isnt hard to invest in rechargeable AA batteries which counters the rechargeable argument, and u can use the batteries for other electronics too :O Just for fun, ill throw in the fact that u have the option to buy a cheaper wired controller that also works on the pc, and most games support it very well.ElectroSpecter6

Let me show you how facts and opinions differ from each other.

The preference of position and shape of the top of the analog sticks on the PS3 and 360 controller is an opinion. For instance, I prefer the position and shape of the top of the PS3 analog sticks over the 360 analog sticks. There's a reason I didn't mention that in the OP, it is just an opinion, it holds no weight in any argument what so ever. The fact that you prefer the position and shape of the 360 analog stick is meaningless. It is a FACT that the PS3 Dualshock 3 controller uses 10-bit analog precision, whereas the 360 controller uses 8-bit analog precision. 10-bit analog precision is superior to 8-bit analog precision. That is a fact. This means that it is a FACT that the PS3 analog sticks are better because they are more precise.

Funny how you bring up rechargable AA batteries. Those don't come with a 360, you have to go buy them seperately. Well guess what? The USB connector cable for the PS3 Dualshock 3 is a universal USB connector cable, the same one included with most USB devices and sold almost everywhere. You claim that the cable to charge a PS3 Dualshock 3 controller is "so short that u cant plug a play". You can go to the store and buy a 25 foot USB connector cable, problem solved.

You're not very good at this whole argument thing. Your "opinions" don't measure up very well to my facts. 8)

So buying rechargeable batteries is a negative to the 360 controller, but buying a 25 foot cable for the DS is all right?

They're both negatives, so they cancel each other out.

The USB connector cable for the DS3 is a universal USB connector cable though, the same one packaged with almost every USB compatible piece of electronics out there, so chances are, almost everyone has some of them lying around their house. I have like 20 of them in my house, some of them are 30 feet long. The cable packaged with the DS3 is 4 1/2 feet long.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] He stated opinions not facts. KevinnButlerNPK

He did? It looked to me like he just simply took an objectional view on what each pad offers, essentially stating that the ps3 one offers everything the xbox one does, plus more.

I read his post and he stated the features of each controller. His conclusion was that the DS3 was everything the 360 pad is and more. Not much opinion there.

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

He did? It looked to me like he just simply took an objectional view on what each pad offers, essentially stating that the ps3 one offers everything the xbox one does, plus more.

Heirren

I read his post and he stated the features of each controller. His conclusion was that the DS3 was everything the 360 pad is and more. Not much opinion there.

The differences he stated are facts. That the DS3 is better than the 360 pad because of those differences is opinion. Can we settle this argument now?

1st SONY needs to make the controller heavier and larger. Its too small..NEXT SONY needs to make their main trigger the bottom button for shooters NOT the lil dumb bumper. That has to be the most akward layout ive uesed outside of NIN64. Please SONY listen to people. Most people have had these same complaints now for 10 years..Love your system, and games..now, get the controller fixed.

OP is correct. Dual Shock 3 > Xbox controller. The Xbox controller is completley uncomfortable to my hands aswell.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Terrible triggers are terrible. Controller is garbage for shooters. 360 controller has a garbage Dpad making it terrible for fihgters and 2D platformers generally. Each has ups and downs. Tech doesn't make the best controller, practical use does.

arkephonic

Wrong.

I like the triggers. I think the DS3 is great for shooters.

You see how this works? You throw around loose opinions trying to make an argument. It doesn't work. The only way you can make an argument is by using facts. Specs are facts.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="KevinnButlerNPK"] That's an opinion or does it ellude you?

Pug-Nasty

I read his post and he stated the features of each controller. His conclusion was that the DS3 was everything the 360 pad is and more. Not much opinion there.

The differences he stated are facts. That the DS3 is better than the 360 pad because of those differences is opinion. Can we settle this argument now?

[QUOTE="ElectroSpecter6"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Let me show you how facts and opinions differ from each other.

The preference of position and shape of the top of the analog sticks on the PS3 and 360 controller is an opinion. For instance, I prefer the position and shape of the top of the PS3 analog sticks over the 360 analog sticks. There's a reason I didn't mention that in the OP, it is just an opinion, it holds no weight in any argument what so ever. The fact that you prefer the position and shape of the 360 analog stick is meaningless. It is a FACT that the PS3 Dualshock 3 controller uses 10-bit analog precision, whereas the 360 controller uses 8-bit analog precision. 10-bit analog precision is superior to 8-bit analog precision. That is a fact. This means that it is a FACT that the PS3 analog sticks are better because they are more precise.

Funny how you bring up rechargable AA batteries. Those don't come with a 360, you have to go buy them seperately. Well guess what? The USB connector cable for the PS3 Dualshock 3 is a universal USB connector cable, the same one included with most USB devices and sold almost everywhere. You claim that the cable to charge a PS3 Dualshock 3 controller is "so short that u cant plug a play". You can go to the store and buy a 25 foot USB connector cable, problem solved.

You're not very good at this whole argument thing. Your "opinions" don't measure up very well to my facts. 8)

arkephonic

So buying rechargeable batteries is a negative to the 360 controller, but buying a 25 foot cable for the DS is all right?

They're both negatives, so they cancel each other out.

The USB connector cable for the DS3 is a universal USB connector cable though, the same one packaged with almost every USB compatible piece of electronics out there, so chances are, almost everyone has some of them lying around their house. I have like 20 of them in my house, some of them are 30 feet long. The cable packaged with the DS3 is 4 1/2 feet long.

Rechargeable batteries are universal too. I've got plenty of those in my house, what's the difference.

ps3 controller is the bomb, matter of fact the ps3 in general is BOOMHEADSHOT BEYATCHZ

I only like the Xbox controller because it's very comfortable, besides that it sucks. DS3 all the way.

Those are definitely opinions. If you play PS3 your going to be more comfortable with a Dual Shock - if you play 360 your going to be more comfortable with their controller. Has nothing to do with which is "better" - sure the PS3 has more features and is smaller, but for a 360 player it's too small our hands are huge - you know what they say about big hands - sorry ps3 players, you're still just boys!

I prefer the PS3 one because it feels more comfortable, I don't need batteriesand cause the Duelshock has always been awesome.

That is Opinion. I still like the Xbox 360 controller better.

Normal adult sized hands=360 controller.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I read his post and he stated the features of each controller. His conclusion was that the DS3 was everything the 360 pad is and more. Not much opinion there.

delta3074

The differences he stated are facts. That the DS3 is better than the 360 pad because of those differences is opinion. Can we settle this argument now?

The battery in the DS3 is user-changeable, so it is a fact that it is better to have it included rather than buy it seperately.

10-bit resistance being better than 8-bit is a fact, and to say otherwise is beyond ridiculous. I can't even play a shooter on the 360 due to the deadzone and low sensitiviy on the sticks. That's why auto-aim is a must on 360 shooters.

The Dualshock has been the worst controller of every generation. I bought a Shadow 6 (w/ Sixaxis) for my PS3 because I hated the controller that much. It's really only good for 2D platformers and fighters.

The left joystick is horribly placed making it difficult to have the precision I want when navigating a 3D space. And the handles themselves are too short. My hands are always cramped.

not a fact. i prefer the 360 controller. i own both so no fanboy logic here...

The battery in the DS3 is user-changeable, so it is a fact that it is better to have it included rather than buy it seperately.

10-bit resistance being better than 8-bit is a fact, and to say otherwise is beyond ridiculous. I can't even play a shooter on the 360 due to the deadzone and low sensitiviy on the sticks. That's why auto-aim is a must on 360 shooters.

Pug-Nasty

The battery in the DS3 is not meant to be user-changeable, if it was, it would be easily swappable like the charge packs are for the 360. It's obvious it was not Sony's intention for people to try to change it when you have to disassemble the entire controller to gain access to it.

That's the thing that pisses me off. Sony knows that some people won't even bother trying to replace the battery when it dies and won't want to play with a controller continually plugged in, and will just toss it in the trash and buy another one out of convenience. Of course this won't happen for many years after the console's release (though I've had two DS3s die on me after sitting for 6+ months of no use, not working even when plugged in), but Sony will be getting a nice little revenue stream throughout the future from something that is integral to the system and should last forever.

It's a poor design, and I believe intentional on Sony's part so they can continue to have people buy new controllers over and over as the years pass.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

The battery in the DS3 is user-changeable, so it is a fact that it is better to have it included rather than buy it seperately.

10-bit resistance being better than 8-bit is a fact, and to say otherwise is beyond ridiculous. I can't even play a shooter on the 360 due to the deadzone and low sensitiviy on the sticks. That's why auto-aim is a must on 360 shooters.

The battery in the DS3 is not meant to be user-changeable, if it was, it would be easily swappable like the charge packs are for the 360. It's obvious it was not Sony's intention for people to try to change it when you have to disassemble the entire controller to gain access to it.

That's the thing that pisses me off. Sony knows that some people won't even bother trying to replace the battery when it dies and won't want to play with a controller continually plugged in, and will just toss it in the trash and buy another one out of convenience. Of course this won't happen for many years after the console's release (though I've had two DS3s die on me after sitting for 6+ months of no use, not working even when plugged in), but Sony will be getting a nice little revenue stream throughout the future from something that is integral to the system and should last forever.

It's a poor design, and I believe intentional on Sony's part so they can continue to have people buy new controllers over and over as the years pass.

Its been the gold controller standard for years, the DS3's triggers are annoying but otherwise I agree. If it had Xbox triggers it would be better, but for now its kind of equal in the sense that it has worse triggers, btu better d-pad and analog sticks.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

The battery in the DS3 is user-changeable, so it is a fact that it is better to have it included rather than buy it seperately.

10-bit resistance being better than 8-bit is a fact, and to say otherwise is beyond ridiculous. I can't even play a shooter on the 360 due to the deadzone and low sensitiviy on the sticks. That's why auto-aim is a must on 360 shooters.

hoosier7

The battery in the DS3 is not meant to be user-changeable, if it was, it would be easily swappable like the charge packs are for the 360. It's obvious it was not Sony's intention for people to try to change it when you have to disassemble the entire controller to gain access to it.

That's the thing that pisses me off. Sony knows that some people won't even bother trying to replace the battery when it dies and won't want to play with a controller continually plugged in, and will just toss it in the trash and buy another one out of convenience. Of course this won't happen for many years after the console's release (though I've had two DS3s die on me after sitting for 6+ months of no use, not working even when plugged in), but Sony will be getting a nice little revenue stream throughout the future from something that is integral to the system and should last forever.

It's a poor design, and I believe intentional on Sony's part so they can continue to have people buy new controllers over and over as the years pass.

Yea I have the auto-off function on. Maybe it's because I don't use them (sometimes my PS3 is not played for more than a year, that was the longest period), but I shouldn't have to use them to keep them working. It also sucks when I do want to play after a long delay, they're always dead. With a 360 controller if this happens I can just swap out the dead pack with one that's in the charge station and I'm wireless. With the PS3 it always seems I'm forced to play wired.

[QUOTE="hoosier7"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

The battery in the DS3 is not meant to be user-changeable, if it was, it would be easily swappable like the charge packs are for the 360. It's obvious it was not Sony's intention for people to try to change it when you have to disassemble the entire controller to gain access to it.

That's the thing that pisses me off. Sony knows that some people won't even bother trying to replace the battery when it dies and won't want to play with a controller continually plugged in, and will just toss it in the trash and buy another one out of convenience. Of course this won't happen for many years after the console's release (though I've had two DS3s die on me after sitting for 6+ months of no use, not working even when plugged in), but Sony will be getting a nice little revenue stream throughout the future from something that is integral to the system and should last forever.

It's a poor design, and I believe intentional on Sony's part so they can continue to have people buy new controllers over and over as the years pass.

Yea I have the auto-off function on. Maybe it's because I don't use them (sometimes my PS3 is not played for more than a year, that was the longest period), but I shouldn't have to use them to keep them working. It also sucks when I do want to play after a long delay, they're always dead. With a 360 controller if this happens I can just swap out the dead pack with one that's in the charge station and I'm wireless. With the PS3 it always seems I'm forced to play wired.

I personally prefer the DS3 becuase of the symmetrical and good design. The 360 control is also good, though.

Many people want to see MGS4 in xbox360.... but how could you assasinate screaming mantis without sixaxis.....hippiesanta

I love how TC presented pure facts and most people just coming screaming "opinions !!".Androvinus

Lol, I know, right?

It's like, "Hey guys, the sky is blue". "Yeah, nice opinions there TC"!!!!

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Terrible triggers are terrible. Controller is garbage for shooters. 360 controller has a garbage Dpad making it terrible for fihgters and 2D platformers generally. Each has ups and downs. Tech doesn't make the best controller, practical use does.

arkephonic

Wrong.

I like the triggers. I think the DS3 is great for shooters.

You see how this works? You throw around loose opinions trying to make an argument. It doesn't work. The only way you can make an argument is by using facts. Specs are facts.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Terrible triggers are terrible. Controller is garbage for shooters. 360 controller has a garbage Dpad making it terrible for fihgters and 2D platformers generally. Each has ups and downs. Tech doesn't make the best controller, practical use does.

Lost-Memory

Wrong.

I like the triggers. I think the DS3 is great for shooters.

You see how this works? You throw around loose opinions trying to make an argument. It doesn't work. The only way you can make an argument is by using facts. Specs are facts.

So I take it you think 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion? Because I think it is a fact.

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]I love how TC presented pure facts and most people just coming screaming "opinions !!".arkephonic

Lol, I know, right?

It's like, "Hey guys, the sky is blue". "Yeah, nice opinions there TC"!!!!

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Androvinus"]I love how TC presented pure facts and most people just coming screaming "opinions !!".chaosflare44

Lol, I know, right?

It's like, "Hey guys, the sky is blue". "Yeah, nice opinions there TC"!!!!

The problem with that is comfort is purely subjective. I don't care if 100 million dollars was spent on research and development designing the shape of the 360 controller. There are many people that find the DS3 to be more comfortable, making it a debatable issue. It would be like arguing over what is a better game, Grand Theft Auto 4 or Super Mario Galaxy, you won't get anywhere with that argument because it is all based on personal preference, just like the comfort of the DS3 and 360 controller is based purely on preference.

Things like the DS3 having 10-bit analog precision vs the 360 8-bit analog precision is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

For example, saying the PS3 has a blu ray drive and the 360 uses a DVD drive is a fact, it isn't debatable. It isn't something you can debate about it, it is set in stone.

The DS3 has a pressure sensitive D-Pad and face buttons. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

The DS3 has Sixaxis motion control, while the 360 controller doesn't nor does it have anything even similar to it. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

By default, the DS3 uses a rechargable lithium ion battery, while the 360 controller uses AA batteries. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

The Dual Shock 3 has a wider range of motion along with higher precision with the D-Pad. The problem with the current Xbox 360 controller's D-pad is that there is too much give in the plastic piece that sits on top. Also, the circular cut-out is not always lined up perfectly to fit inside the controller's casing, so the edges can hit the controller too. Long story short, the defects in design lead to accidental directional commands and ultimately frustrated gamers. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

Something I forgot to add in the original post is that the DS3 uses blutooth connectivity, which is superior to the wireless connectivity used in the 360 controller. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

[QUOTE="Lost-Memory"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Wrong.

I like the triggers. I think the DS3 is great for shooters.

You see how this works? You throw around loose opinions trying to make an argument. It doesn't work. The only way you can make an argument is by using facts. Specs are facts.

So I take it you think 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion? Because I think it is a fact.

[QUOTE="Lost-Memory"] Dude, your whole thread is based on " loose opinions " The reason there is a better controller is SOLEY BECAUSE OF OPINION. Thats the ONLY reason one controller is better than the other. Because of an opinion. Get off your highhorse and join the rest of us. commoner.arkephonic

So I take it you think 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion? Because I think it is a fact.

edit: like mgs2 i remember playing it for ps2, and xbox, the xbox was slightier easier to use because It wasn't using preshure sensitive buttons, in the ps2 version if you paniced and pressed too hard you'd end up accidently shooting someone, the xbox you had to release and press it again to shoot, there was literally no difference in movements but the xbox you couldn't easily push too hard and shoot by accident.

edit: oops didn't mean to quote myself, either way the xbox was technically less advance and more usable in my scenario.

The problem with that is comfort is purely subjective. I don't care if 100 million dollars was spent on research and development designing the shape of the 360 controller. There are many people that find the DS3 to be more comfortable, making it a debatable issue. It would be like arguing over what is a better game, Grand Theft Auto 4 or Super Mario Galaxy, you won't get anywhere with that argument because it is all based on personal preference, just like the comfort of the DS3 and 360 controller is based purely on preference.Things like the DS3 having 10-bit analog precision vs the 360 8-bit analog precision is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.For example, saying the PS3 has a blu ray drive and the 360 uses a DVD drive is a fact, it isn't debatable. It isn't something you can debate about it, it is set in stone.The DS3 has a pressure sensitive D-Pad and face buttons. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.The DS3 has Sixaxis motion control, while the 360 controller doesn't nor does it have anything even similar to it. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.By default, the DS3 uses a rechargable lithium ion battery, while the 360 controller uses AA batteries. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.The Dual Shock 3 has a wider range of motion along with higher precision with the D-Pad. The problem with the current Xbox 360 controller's D-pad is that there is too much give in the plastic piece that sits on top. Also, the circular cut-out is not always lined up perfectly to fit inside the controller's casing, so the edges can hit the controller too. Long story short, the defects in design lead to accidental directional commands and ultimately frustrated gamers. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.Something I forgot to add in the original post is that the DS3 uses blutooth connectivity, which is superior to the wireless connectivity used in the 360 controller. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

arkephonic

And what I argued is fact as well.

Concave analog sticks offer a better grip for thumbs. Fact

The 360's triggers prevent slippage and are less likely to be accidentally pressed when set down then the L2/R2 buttons. Fact

Extra features are nice, but little details like shape, size, and material are just as crucial in a controller's design. People just don't ever pay attention to stuff like that because they don't have a fancy name like sixaxis (even though I guarantee you use the analog stick more then sixaxis). Whether a product is better then another isn't just about how many more features it has, practicality is just as important.

Not going to even bother reading the text, of this lame ass topic. There is no fact, I prefer the360 controller but does that matter? NO. Its preference just like every other topic on this board it is boring useless and dumb, probley why I dont post here anymore

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

The battery in the DS3 is user-changeable, so it is a fact that it is better to have it included rather than buy it seperately.

10-bit resistance being better than 8-bit is a fact, and to say otherwise is beyond ridiculous. I can't even play a shooter on the 360 due to the deadzone and low sensitiviy on the sticks. That's why auto-aim is a must on 360 shooters.

MirkoS77

The battery in the DS3 is not meant to be user-changeable, if it was, it would be easily swappable like the charge packs are for the 360. It's obvious it was not Sony's intention for people to try to change it when you have to disassemble the entire controller to gain access to it.

That's the thing that pisses me off. Sony knows that some people won't even bother trying to replace the battery when it dies and won't want to play with a controller continually plugged in, and will just toss it in the trash and buy another one out of convenience. Of course this won't happen for many years after the console's release (though I've had two DS3s die on me after sitting for 6+ months of no use, not working even when plugged in), but Sony will be getting a nice little revenue stream throughout the future from something that is integral to the system and should last forever.

It's a poor design, and I believe intentional on Sony's part so they can continue to have people buy new controllers over and over as the years pass.

Honestly, if you never open up the controller, you will have to replace it for sticking buttons and sticks long before the charge becomes an issue.

And it's able to be replaced by the user, and there are instructions online to do so. That's not poor design, because it serves it's purpose and can be fixed if broken.

Poor design would be locking content in games purchased by the user until they pay ransom, and there's no way around that one. Talk about price gouging.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

The problem with that is comfort is purely subjective. I don't care if 100 million dollars was spent on research and development designing the shape of the 360 controller. There are many people that find the DS3 to be more comfortable, making it a debatable issue. It would be like arguing over what is a better game, Grand Theft Auto 4 or Super Mario Galaxy, you won't get anywhere with that argument because it is all based on personal preference, just like the comfort of the DS3 and 360 controller is based purely on preference.Things like the DS3 having 10-bit analog precision vs the 360 8-bit analog precision is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.For example, saying the PS3 has a blu ray drive and the 360 uses a DVD drive is a fact, it isn't debatable. It isn't something you can debate about it, it is set in stone.The DS3 has a pressure sensitive D-Pad and face buttons. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.The DS3 has Sixaxis motion control, while the 360 controller doesn't nor does it have anything even similar to it. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.By default, the DS3 uses a rechargable lithium ion battery, while the 360 controller uses AA batteries. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.The Dual Shock 3 has a wider range of motion along with higher precision with the D-Pad. The problem with the current Xbox 360 controller's D-pad is that there is too much give in the plastic piece that sits on top. Also, the circular cut-out is not always lined up perfectly to fit inside the controller's casing, so the edges can hit the controller too. Long story short, the defects in design lead to accidental directional commands and ultimately frustrated gamers. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.Something I forgot to add in the original post is that the DS3 uses blutooth connectivity, which is superior to the wireless connectivity used in the 360 controller. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

chaosflare44

And what I argued is fact as well.

Concave analog sticks offer a better grip for thumbs. Fact

The 360's triggers prevent slippage and are less likely to be accidentally pressed when set down then the L2/R2 buttons. Fact

Extra features are nice, but little details like shape, size, and material are just as crucial in a controller's design. People just don't ever pay attention to stuff like that because they don't have a fancy name like sixaxis (even though I guarantee you use the analog stick more then sixaxis). Whether a product is better then another isn't just about how many more features it has, practicality is just as important.

Nice opinions, brah :P

[QUOTE="chaosflare44"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

The problem with that is comfort is purely subjective. I don't care if 100 million dollars was spent on research and development designing the shape of the 360 controller. There are many people that find the DS3 to be more comfortable, making it a debatable issue. It would be like arguing over what is a better game, Grand Theft Auto 4 or Super Mario Galaxy, you won't get anywhere with that argument because it is all based on personal preference, just like the comfort of the DS3 and 360 controller is based purely on preference.Things like the DS3 having 10-bit analog precision vs the 360 8-bit analog precision is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.For example, saying the PS3 has a blu ray drive and the 360 uses a DVD drive is a fact, it isn't debatable. It isn't something you can debate about it, it is set in stone.The DS3 has a pressure sensitive D-Pad and face buttons. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.The DS3 has Sixaxis motion control, while the 360 controller doesn't nor does it have anything even similar to it. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.By default, the DS3 uses a rechargable lithium ion battery, while the 360 controller uses AA batteries. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.The Dual Shock 3 has a wider range of motion along with higher precision with the D-Pad. The problem with the current Xbox 360 controller's D-pad is that there is too much give in the plastic piece that sits on top. Also, the circular cut-out is not always lined up perfectly to fit inside the controller's casing, so the edges can hit the controller too. Long story short, the defects in design lead to accidental directional commands and ultimately frustrated gamers. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.Something I forgot to add in the original post is that the DS3 uses blutooth connectivity, which is superior to the wireless connectivity used in the 360 controller. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

arkephonic

And what I argued is fact as well.

Concave analog sticks offer a better grip for thumbs. Fact

The 360's triggers prevent slippage and are less likely to be accidentally pressed when set down then the L2/R2 buttons. Fact

Extra features are nice, but little details like shape, size, and material are just as crucial in a controller's design. People just don't ever pay attention to stuff like that because they don't have a fancy name like sixaxis (even though I guarantee you use the analog stick more then sixaxis). Whether a product is better then another isn't just about how many more features it has, practicality is just as important.

Nice opinions, brah :P

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