It is a FACT that the Dual Shock 3 is better than the Xbox 360 controller.

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#202 DISSESHOWEDO
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[QUOTE="chaosflare44"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Lol, I know, right?

It's like, "Hey guys, the sky is blue". "Yeah, nice opinions there TC"!!!!

arkephonic

And I find it funny how you insist on ignoring something as important as ergonomics. Its not a coincidence that so many people bring up how comfortable the 360 controller is, it was designed that way. As crazy as it sounds, there is a general trend in human anatomy that developers can look at when designing a controller. For example, a concave surface for analog sticks offers a better grip to human thumbs which are convex, fingers are less likely to slip when pressing a trigger then the L2/R2 buttons, and so on. These are just as much facts as what you listed but you don't seem to care. Both controllers have their ups and downs (the D-pad on the 360 controller is remarkably useless), and everyone will have their own preferences (who knows, maybe your hands genuinely are better suited for the DS3), but when the point of a controller is to control, comfort and ease of use are just as important as feature list.

The problem with that is comfort is purely subjective. I don't care if 100 million dollars was spent on research and development designing the shape of the 360 controller. There are many people that find the DS3 to be more comfortable, making it a debatable issue. It would be like arguing over what is a better game, Grand Theft Auto 4 or Super Mario Galaxy, you won't get anywhere with that argument because it is all based on personal preference, just like the comfort of the DS3 and 360 controller is based purely on preference.

Things like the DS3 having 10-bit analog precision vs the 360 8-bit analog precision is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

For example, saying the PS3 has a blu ray drive and the 360 uses a DVD drive is a fact, it isn't debatable. It isn't something you can debate about it, it is set in stone.

The DS3 has a pressure sensitive D-Pad and face buttons. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

The DS3 has Sixaxis motion control, while the 360 controller doesn't nor does it have anything even similar to it. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

By default, the DS3 uses a rechargable lithium ion battery, while the 360 controller uses AA batteries. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

The Dual Shock 3 has a wider range of motion along with higher precision with the D-Pad. The problem with the current Xbox 360 controller's D-pad is that there is too much give in the plastic piece that sits on top. Also, the circular cut-out is not always lined up perfectly to fit inside the controller's casing, so the edges can hit the controller too. Long story short, the defects in design lead to accidental directional commands and ultimately frustrated gamers. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

Something I forgot to add in the original post is that the DS3 uses blutooth connectivity, which is superior to the wireless connectivity used in the 360 controller. That is a fact, not debatable, not an opinion like comfort is.

Nailed'em good, but no matter how many facts you pull out, ppl will still believe in the "X-box controller is better" crap.And that is a fact.

For me the 360 controller sucks big time, it's big and chunky and the position of the analog sticks annoys me.And that is my opinion.

PS.

The DS3 is more eco friendly, just think how many americans don't get rechargable batteries ?And the battery in the DS3 last at least for me, for 3-4 days with 8 hours sessions per day !!!

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#203 a55a55inx
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Although the DS3 may be more advanced technically, that doesn't necessarily mean that the controller is better, practicality is what matters. While I agree that the 360's D-pad is terrible, there is nothing else I'd want changed. As for the DS3, I really think they should change the L2/R2 buttons (many people will agree with me on this one) companies have even realized this and offered clip-on triggers to emulate the 360's triggers. The thumbsticks are a bit too loose for my taste as well... but who cares? Both controllers work well on their respective systems and feel comfortable in their own right. It's not like you can swap the controllers just to fit your preference.

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#204 XileLord
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I own both but have gamed on the dual shock much longer (about 5 years more then I have with the 360 controller) and I'd say the 360 controller definitely is superior. The only time I prefer the Dual Shock 3 is if I'm playing a fighting or arcade game, which like others have said is easily remedied with the arcade sticks you can buy. The reason I find the 360 controller better is because the position of the analog sticks feel more natural, they are concave so my thumb sticks on them and sweat doesn't cause them to slide off like the convex dual shock 3 analog sticks do and the triggers feel a lot better. Not to mention the controller feels solid while the Dual shock 3 feels hollow.

Ultimately you're right, this is mostly opinion. You stated the 360 D-pad is flawed, it lacks motion control and pressure sensitive buttons not to mention the AA batteries. I agree the dual shock 3 is technically superior and the 360 D-pad is pretty terrible (at least excluding the new controllers they put out) but just because the Dual shock is TECHNICALLY superior doesn't make it better. That's like saying the original xbox is better then the PS2 because it was technically superior or the PSP was better then the DS because it was technically superior.

It's the design that matters the most and the 360 controller has a better design. It may be my opinion but you'd find it's a largely shared: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fARdxkovMhQ

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#205 chaosflare44
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[QUOTE="chaosflare44"]

And what I argued is fact as well.

Concave analog sticks offer a better grip for thumbs. Fact

The 360's triggers prevent slippage and are less likely to be accidentally pressed when set down then the L2/R2 buttons. Fact

Extra features are nice, but little details like shape, size, and material are just as crucial in a controller's design. People just don't ever pay attention to stuff like that because they don't have a fancy name like sixaxis (even though I guarantee you use the analog stick more then sixaxis). Whether a product is better then another isn't just about how many more features it has, practicality is just as important.

arkephonic

Nice opinions, brah :P

Not an opinion dude. A two year old could figure out a convex object fits in a concave surface (though they wouldn't know the words of course).

Since you are arguing that the DS3 is better, by definition that means you are saying the DS3 has better techAND form. Yes, the DS3 has the better funtion, but the 360 controller has the better form. In the end neither can be better then the other because they are both lacking.

However the fact that you either ignore these points (as I am not the first to bring up ergonomics) or dismiss them as opinion (even though nothing that I said is an opinion) makes me suspect that you are either trolling, or a fanboy with no intention of having an actual discussion.

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#206 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

The differences he stated are facts. That the DS3 is better than the 360 pad because of those differences is opinion. Can we settle this argument now?

Pug-Nasty

not all of them are facts though, whether a built in rechargeable lithium battery is better than lithium AA batteries is subjective, all batterys lose there charge and eventually you are going to have to open the DS3 to replace the battery,and with the 370 you on't have to worry if you lose the recharge cable also the D-pad part is no longer fact because the 360 controller now comes with an improved morphing D-pad that allows you to either hava round D-pad or plus D-pad with a small twist which i would consider to be much better than the D-pad on the Ds3, the fact that the analogs are 10 bit doesn't make up for it's lack of resistance and bad placement for shooters either, it's all subjective at the end of the day and down to what people prefer, some people prefer the Ds3 others prefer the 360 pad.

The battery in the DS3 is user-changeable, so it is a fact that it is better to have it included rather than buy it seperately.

10-bit resistance being better than 8-bit is a fact, and to say otherwise is beyond ridiculous. I can't even play a shooter on the 360 due to the deadzone and low sensitiviy on the sticks. That's why auto-aim is a must on 360 shooters.

wrong, i don't EVER use auto aim, even for games like GTA or RDR and i get on just fine,so it's not a MUST at all, unless of course you are not as good at games than i am i guess.
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#207 Thuganomic05
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So I take it you think 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion? Because I think it is a fact.

arkephonic

Seriously? Are you so buttsore that someone disagrees with your "fact" that you resort to illogical questions? Just because you think it's a fact doesn't mean it is. 2+2=4, that is a fact, yes. But to say something is better than something else (especially a controller, of all things) is far from being noted as a fact. Let's take a time out and hypothetically say the dualshock is better. Who cares? I don't use it, so I could care less how environmentally/economically friendly it is. Sure it has motion sensing, so does a **** Wii controller, no one gives a **** AA batteries are a thing of the past? Good luck with that lame argument. Xbox 360 has this thing called charge and play, so we don't need need AA batteries either, nice try. Who gives a **** about the D-Pad? It's the 21st Century, we have analog sticks now, I don't even remember the last time I used a D-Pad, probably on my PS1 or my Sega - besides, there's a new controller out that has a better D-Pad, I play real games, not Soul Caliber, so I don't need it. 10-bit v. 8-bit precision is another lame argument. If it was such a big deal Microsoft would fix it or everyone would be raking in Kontrol Freek's accessories.

Sixaxis - What's the point, to shake your controller around while you play? Buy a **** Wii then.

L2/R2 vs. LT/RT - L2/R2 are weak compared to LT/RT - that's a FACT.

Analog Stick Placement - I'm not Japanese so I can't speak for them, but my hands can't stay down there the whole time, if you like your hands cramping then your right the PS3 controller is better; however, if you're like me and you have a normal set of hands and don't want to get arthtritis then the Xbox's controller is better.

Weight - Yes, the PS3's controller is lighter - that's a FACT. That's the only thing that can be proven as a fact. However, does the weight matter? If everything else is done correctly (like the 360's controller) than weight isn't even noticeable. And it still only weighs, 281g or 9 7/8oz. That's really heavy, huh? That's the weight of 50 pieces of loose leaf paper weigh. If that's too heavy for you then you need to do something besides play video games.

Now, quit being ignorant - you have proven zero facts. Everything you have said is based on the opinion of someone who likes and uses the controller.

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#209 KarateeeChop
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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]So I take it you think 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion? Because I think it is a fact.

Thuganomic05

Seriously? Are you so buttsore that someone disagrees with your "fact" that you resort to illogical questions? Just because you think it's a fact doesn't mean it is. 2+2=4, that is a fact, yes. But to say something is better than something else (especially a controller, of all things) is far from being noted as a fact. Let's take a time out and hypothetically say the dualshock is better. Who cares? I don't use it, so I could care less how environmentally/economically friendly it is. Sure it has motion sensing, so does a **** Wii controller, no one gives a **** AA batteries are a thing of the past? Good luck with that lame argument. Xbox 360 has this thing called charge and play, so we don't need need AA batteries either, nice try. Who gives a **** about the D-Pad? It's the 21st Century, we have analog sticks now, I don't even remember the last time I used a D-Pad, probably on my PS1 or my Sega - besides, there's a new controller out that has a better D-Pad, I play real games, not Soul Caliber, so I don't need it. 10-bit v. 8-bit precision is another lame argument. If it was such a big deal Microsoft would fix it or everyone would be raking in Kontrol Freek's accessories.

Sixaxis - What's the point, to shake your controller around while you play? Buy a **** Wii then.

L2/R2 vs. LT/RT - L2/R2 are weak compared to LT/RT - that's a FACT.

Analog Stick Placement - I'm not Japanese so I can't speak for them, but my hands can't stay down there the whole time, if you like your hands cramping then your right the PS3 controller is better; however, if you're like me and you have a normal set of hands and don't want to get arthtritis then the Xbox's controller is better.

Weight - Yes, the PS3's controller is lighter - that's a FACT. That's the only thing that can be proven as a fact. However, does the weight matter? If everything else is done correctly (like the 360's controller) than weight isn't even noticeable. And it still only weighs, 281g or 9 7/8oz. That's really heavy, huh? That's the weight of 50 pieces of loose leaf paper weigh. If that's too heavy for you then you need to do something besides play video games.

Now, quit being ignorant - you have proven zero facts. Everything you have said is based on the opinion of someone who likes and uses the controller.

but he's so certain that his opinion is fact. let's not burst his bubble now :P

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#210 deactivated-60156c31f349f
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Personally I think both are great controllers

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#211 Merex760
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350 controller feels better in the hand. Better joysticks and triggers. If the 360 controller had the dualshock 3 d-pad, it would be the best controller ever.
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#212 Thuganomic05
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Woah, calm down LOL!

I see you are pretty mad about all the facts I listed and provided a bunch of subjective opinions to try and form an argument. Nice try, LOL...

arkephonic

lol I hate you.

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#213 ShadowMoses900
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It is an OPINION that the Dual Shock 3 is better than the Xbox 360 controller.

I prefer the PS3 controller over the 360 one too, but I'm well aware that my OPNION does NOT equal FACT.

Some people just don't understand this for some reason...

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#214 Oil_Rope_Bombs
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I don't think you know what an "opinion" is, chief. Something like "X is better than Y" is an opinion and so is "X is horrible". A fact is something like "The Playstation 3 controller is called the DualShock 3". To be honest, I think this is a joke thread because you spammed "FACT" everywhere and said "This is NOT an opinion!".
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#215 RR360DD
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People that argue that the Xbox 360 controller is superior always have the same argument. They say that it is more comfortable. Well, that is subjective, that is an opinion. To some people, the Dual Shock 3 is more comfortable, to others, the Xbox 360 controller is more comfortable, this argument holds no weight at all as it is purely subjective and opinion.

These things are NOT an opinion.

The Dual Shock 3 uses motion sensing (6 axes), better known as Sixaxis support. The Xbox 360 controller does not support this or anything like it.

The Dual Shock 3 uses 3.7 V Li-ion Battery, USB Host Powered. The Xbox 360, by default, is powered by AA batteries which is a thing of the past, practically prehistoric.

The Dual Shock 3 has a wider range of motion along with higher precision with the D-Pad. The problem with the current Xbox 360 controller's D-pad is that there is too much give in the plastic piece that sits on top. Also, the circular cut-out is not always lined up perfectly to fit inside the controller's casing, so the edges can hit the controller too. Long story short, the defects in design lead to accidental directional commands and ultimately frustrated gamers.

The Dual Shock 3 has a pressure sensitive D-Pad and pressure sensitive face buttons. The 360 controller does not support pressure sensitivity for either.

The Dual Shock 3 analog sticks have 10-bit precision, allowing a higher level of precision when compared to the Xbox 360 controller, which uses 8-bit analog precision, the same level of precision used by GameCube, PS2, PS1, N64, Dreamcast, etc.

So yeah, it may be your OPINION that the Xbox 360 controller is more comfortable to hold, but just as many people think that the Dual Shock 3 is more comfortable to hold. That doesn't matter anyways, as it is just a loose, subjective opinion that holds no weight anyways. When you look at the actual specs and the actual facts between the controllers, the Dual Shock 3 is a much better controller and it is not debatable.

FACT!!

arkephonic

Actually, its not an opinion, its a fact that the 360 is more comfortable to hold. Its called ergonomics. Look it up.

The dualshock packs more technology, but no PS3 games make good use of the sixaxis and for most genres the d-pad is pretty much useless. Also, the analogue sticks are too loose, are awkwardly placed and you didnt even mention the god awful triggers. In the end, its clear the dualshock was designed in the 90's. Its an outdated piece of **** that has been bettered by a load of controllers, the 360 controller included.

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#216 coltgames
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wow clearly people do not know what the difference is between opinion and facts , what he said in his post are facts reading comprehension ftw . He is just stating what the ds3 has if u dont like it thats an opinion

if u dont like motion sensor thats an opinion

u dont like internal batterys thats an opinion

u dont like pressure sensitive buttons thats an opinion

if u dont like 10 bit precision thats an opinion

But the ds3 has it the 360 controller does not those are facts

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#218 madmidnight
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I prefer AA batteries to the built in rechargable PS3 ones. For this reason. I can buy rechargable AA for $5, and new ones when they die. Once your DS3 battery dies (and it will) time to shell out $60 for a new controller. Also motion controls suck Xb360 triggers are better Xb360 Sticks and stick location is better I like the PS3 buttons better and PS button>Guide button KB&M(FACT)>Xb360(Opinion)>PS3(Opinion)>Wiimote (FACT?, It feels like a fact when I try to roll by shaking the controller when there are available buttons)
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#220 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

People that argue that the Xbox 360 controller is superior always have the same argument. They say that it is more comfortable. Well, that is subjective, that is an opinion. To some people, the Dual Shock 3 is more comfortable, to others, the Xbox 360 controller is more comfortable, this argument holds no weight at all as it is purely subjective and opinion.

These things are NOT an opinion.

The Dual Shock 3 uses motion sensing (6 axes), better known as Sixaxis support. The Xbox 360 controller does not support this or anything like it.

The Dual Shock 3 uses 3.7 V Li-ion Battery, USB Host Powered. The Xbox 360, by default, is powered by AA batteries which is a thing of the past, practically prehistoric.

The Dual Shock 3 has a wider range of motion along with higher precision with the D-Pad. The problem with the current Xbox 360 controller's D-pad is that there is too much give in the plastic piece that sits on top. Also, the circular cut-out is not always lined up perfectly to fit inside the controller's casing, so the edges can hit the controller too. Long story short, the defects in design lead to accidental directional commands and ultimately frustrated gamers.

The Dual Shock 3 has a pressure sensitive D-Pad and pressure sensitive face buttons. The 360 controller does not support pressure sensitivity for either.

The Dual Shock 3 analog sticks have 10-bit precision, allowing a higher level of precision when compared to the Xbox 360 controller, which uses 8-bit analog precision, the same level of precision used by GameCube, PS2, PS1, N64, Dreamcast, etc.

So yeah, it may be your OPINION that the Xbox 360 controller is more comfortable to hold, but just as many people think that the Dual Shock 3 is more comfortable to hold. That doesn't matter anyways, as it is just a loose, subjective opinion that holds no weight anyways. When you look at the actual specs and the actual facts between the controllers, the Dual Shock 3 is a much better controller and it is not debatable.

FACT!!

arkephonic

Actually, its not an opinion, its a fact that the 360 is more comfortable to hold. Its called ergonomics. Look it up.

The dualshock packs more technology, but no PS3 games make good use of the sixaxis and for most genres the d-pad is pretty much useless. Also, the analogue sticks are too loose, are awkwardly placed and you didnt even mention the god awful triggers. In the end, its clear the dualshock was designed in the 90's. Its an outdated piece of **** that has been bettered by a load of controllers, the 360 controller included.

I can't take anything this guy says seriously. He's the same guy that said it was a fact and scientifically proven that the Xbox Dashboard was better than the PS3 XMB, now he's saying that the comfort between the controllers isn't an opinion and it is factual.


Dude, you're a joke, give it up.

Ergonomics is completely objective, as is UI Design. Its not my fault you arent educated in those areas.

Every feature you listed about the dualshock is practically irrelevant. The most important thing about a controller is how well it fits to the human hand, and im sorry but the 360 controller wins in that regard.

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#221 look4gary
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I have both a Xbox and a PS3. I started playing COD4 on the Xbox and also the racing game race driver GRID and Dirt 2. For some reason, I can never get used to the Xbox controller. I hear that most people prefer the Xbox controller over the PS3's Dual shock for shooter and racing games. That's why I bought the Xbox versions of those games. Also, the graphics are always better on Xbox as they are usually ported over to PS3. But I find the Xbox controller's left analog stick's position very awkward. It is too close to the left shoulder button. For racing games, I use my middle fingers on the triggers, index fingers on the shoulder buttons to gear up and down and left stick to steer. I find it very hard as all 3 buttons are very close together and my left thumb, index and middle fingers are very cramp and cause me problems to steer properly. Also, the triggers feel like a spring to me. It is very hard for me to "feather" the triggers while accelerating or braking around a bend. It is like I either press too much or too little. Think of it like a dead zone if you like. When you press a little, the trigger has no response, and when you press more, you overcompensate and press too much, making it very hard to gradually accelerate. I have the same problem with the analog stick's deadzone. When I steer with the left stick, when I steer a little, it turns too little and when I pressed more, the car jerk to the direction I am steering. Sometimes, this causes me to lose control and it feels like I am fighting the controls rather than playing a game. So I also heard that the Xbox controller is better than DS3 for shooting games. But to me, the analog stick also caused me problems with because of the dead zone. Same problem as steering, when I aim with the analog stick and make fine adjustments, it either don't move, move too little or move too much. I know I can adjust the sensitivity of COD4 to low but that means turning is too slow. I want to be able to turn fast and when strafing or scope aiming, it isn't that hard to get that head shot because of the stick with the large dead zone. Especially when I need to adjust that red dot up or down, I often go too high up or too low down. Typically what happens is this. I see an enemy up there, I aim the red dot up, it goes above his head, I fine tune it by pressing down a bit. 1 year later, I got a PS3 and bought Modern Warfare 2 and use it on medium sensitivity too. I also tried the demo of GRID and Dirt 2 on the dual shock 3. It was a huge improvement for me. The analog sticks has a much smaller dead zone and I was able to make fine adjustments both in strafing, scope aiming. I see an enemy up there, I aim the red dot up gently and once it is on his head, I shoot. I only need to aim once whereas on the Xbox controller like I said earlier, I need to aim up, and then down to fine tune it. Also when I strafe left or right, the PS3 controller's smaller dead zone allows me to strafe a little easily but the Xbox controller's dead zone makes me strafe too much sometimes. Racing is also better on the PS3 because the left stick is not too close to shoulder buttons and triggers. The dead zone also allows me to steer the car precisely and not jerk to the left or right like the Xbox's controller. I feel more in control. The triggers on the PS3 also feels softer which is good for racing games to me. I can feather the R2 around bends and easily gradually accelerate. For example, I can easily press in and go to 4000rpm and keep it there but on the Xbox triggers, when I press in a little, it only goes to 3000rpm and when I press it all the way, it shoots all the way up to 8000rpm. In other words, it is easier for me to control the gas and brakes as well as the steering on the DS3. So I find it strange that most people feel that Xbox controller is better than a DS3 for shooting and racing games. Or am I missing something? Did I use the Xbox controller the wrong way? I prefer buying multiplatform games on Xbox because they are usually the better version but if I cannot control them well with the Xbox controller, I have to deal with PS3's version with worse graphics, screen tearing and bad frame rates. But I find that I drive better and shoot better on the DS3. By the way, I shoot with R1 and not R2 on the DS3 which I personally feels better. If you ever used a real rifle which I did, the triggers do not feel the same way as triggers on Xbox controller which are too spring like. A real trigger on a real gun feels like something you press and it clicks, it does not have spring feedback. The Xbox trigger feels more like a toy gun or water gun. Also because R1 is closer to analog stick than trigger, it is ergonomically better. I do have those trigger attachments on the R2 for racing games. They only cost $3 and it feels better than Xbox triggers to me. So this is the summary on my problems with Xbox controller Xbox controller: 1) Analog sticks are hard to steer or strafe precisely because of large dead zone and stiffness of stick 2) Triggers too spring-like and hard to maintain certain RPM on racing games because of large dead zone and stiffness of trigger 3) Left stick too close to shoulder buttons and trigger 4) Trigger feels like a toy gun and a little far from right analog stick compared to R1 shooting on DS3 Does anyone else feel the same as me or am I the odd one out? I actually think DS3 is better for shooters and racing games. I hate that fact because I would love to play Black Ops, Dirt 3, MW3, Battlefield 3, Crysis 2 on Xbox because of superior graphics, frame rates and less screen tearing but I just cannot control well with Xbox controller. There are many Xbox style controllers to be used on PS3 but I cannot find any PS3 style controllers for Xbox. If there is, I'll definitely buy one. So, can anyone give me some advice or their thoughts?
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#222 lhughey
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I hate it when my PS3 runs low on batteries. That means no gaming. When my 360 runs out of batteries, I just pop a spare re-chargable set in. I personally like the feel of the 360 controller by far. The only thing the DS3 has the advantage of it a bettter D pad.
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#223 kalipekona
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This is all correct, but it won't matter because 360 fanboys have offset thumbs, so the controller makes more sense.

Pug-Nasty

And cows must have baby hands.

This is a stupid thread. Listing stats is meaningless. It's like telling me that some model of HDTV has motion flow and therefor it is better than another HDTV without it. Well, I would just laugh in your face because I hate motion flow and therefor it is no benefit to me whatsoever. I'd rather take the other HDTV that has other features that actually matter to me.

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#224 fadersdream
Member since 2006 • 3154 Posts

DS3 made me feel like I was playing PS 2 and a 1/2. Has affected my opinion of every PS3 game I've ever played.

Update the thing, and quit defending it as though it's perfect, saying "everything else sucks more" doesn't make it better.

Just because someone may be stupider, doesnt mean someone else is smart.

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#225 kalipekona
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[QUOTE="Lost-Memory"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Wrong.

I like the triggers. I think the DS3 is great for shooters.

You see how this works? You throw around loose opinions trying to make an argument. It doesn't work. The only way you can make an argument is by using facts. Specs are facts.

arkephonic

Dude, your whole thread is based on " loose opinions " The reason there is a better controller is SOLEY BECAUSE OF OPINION. Thats the ONLY reason one controller is better than the other. Because of an opinion. Get off your highhorse and join the rest of us. commoner.

So I take it you think 2 + 2 = 4 is an opinion? Because I think it is a fact.

Dude, you're being very dense. Nobody is arguing the facts, they are arguing the value of those facts. I could list a dozen features for a Vizio HDTV that aren't found on a certain model of Panasonic, but that doesn't stop the Panasonic from being a better HDTV in the ways that matter.

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#226 Riverwolf007
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lol, suxaxis hyped to the moon and back then used in what? 10 games?

people have short memories so i will remind you how those early games went.

you played a ps3 title for about 3 mins using it then went into the options and turned it off.

using suxaxis to support your claim is like using getting free explosive diarrhea to get people to go to taco bell.

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#227 pc-ps360
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imho the 360 pad is better in every way than the ps3 ds3 except for the dpad. also the ps2 ds2 had the Best dpad and it was better than the ds3. the ds3 dpad is stiff and even tho the buttons are separated they dont feels like separate buttons like in the ds2.

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#228 slantedandencha
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23 pages about controllers? wow, just use what you prefer. i prefer the 360's controller fwiw.

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#229 arkephonic
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I have both a Xbox and a PS3. I started playing COD4 on the Xbox and also the racing game race driver GRID and Dirt 2. For some reason, I can never get used to the Xbox controller. I hear that most people prefer the Xbox controller over the PS3's Dual shock for shooter and racing games. That's why I bought the Xbox versions of those games. Also, the graphics are always better on Xbox as they are usually ported over to PS3. But I find the Xbox controller's left analog stick's position very awkward. It is too close to the left shoulder button. For racing games, I use my middle fingers on the triggers, index fingers on the shoulder buttons to gear up and down and left stick to steer. I find it very hard as all 3 buttons are very close together and my left thumb, index and middle fingers are very cramp and cause me problems to steer properly. Also, the triggers feel like a spring to me. It is very hard for me to "feather" the triggers while accelerating or braking around a bend. It is like I either press too much or too little. Think of it like a dead zone if you like. When you press a little, the trigger has no response, and when you press more, you overcompensate and press too much, making it very hard to gradually accelerate. I have the same problem with the analog stick's deadzone. When I steer with the left stick, when I steer a little, it turns too little and when I pressed more, the car jerk to the direction I am steering. Sometimes, this causes me to lose control and it feels like I am fighting the controls rather than playing a game. So I also heard that the Xbox controller is better than DS3 for shooting games. But to me, the analog stick also caused me problems with because of the dead zone. Same problem as steering, when I aim with the analog stick and make fine adjustments, it either don't move, move too little or move too much. I know I can adjust the sensitivity of COD4 to low but that means turning is too slow. I want to be able to turn fast and when strafing or scope aiming, it isn't that hard to get that head shot because of the stick with the large dead zone. Especially when I need to adjust that red dot up or down, I often go too high up or too low down. Typically what happens is this. I see an enemy up there, I aim the red dot up, it goes above his head, I fine tune it by pressing down a bit. 1 year later, I got a PS3 and bought Modern Warfare 2 and use it on medium sensitivity too. I also tried the demo of GRID and Dirt 2 on the dual shock 3. It was a huge improvement for me. The analog sticks has a much smaller dead zone and I was able to make fine adjustments both in strafing, scope aiming. I see an enemy up there, I aim the red dot up gently and once it is on his head, I shoot. I only need to aim once whereas on the Xbox controller like I said earlier, I need to aim up, and then down to fine tune it. Also when I strafe left or right, the PS3 controller's smaller dead zone allows me to strafe a little easily but the Xbox controller's dead zone makes me strafe too much sometimes. Racing is also better on the PS3 because the left stick is not too close to shoulder buttons and triggers. The dead zone also allows me to steer the car precisely and not jerk to the left or right like the Xbox's controller. I feel more in control. The triggers on the PS3 also feels softer which is good for racing games to me. I can feather the R2 around bends and easily gradually accelerate. For example, I can easily press in and go to 4000rpm and keep it there but on the Xbox triggers, when I press in a little, it only goes to 3000rpm and when I press it all the way, it shoots all the way up to 8000rpm. In other words, it is easier for me to control the gas and brakes as well as the steering on the DS3. So I find it strange that most people feel that Xbox controller is better than a DS3 for shooting and racing games. Or am I missing something? Did I use the Xbox controller the wrong way? I prefer buying multiplatform games on Xbox because they are usually the better version but if I cannot control them well with the Xbox controller, I have to deal with PS3's version with worse graphics, screen tearing and bad frame rates. But I find that I drive better and shoot better on the DS3. By the way, I shoot with R1 and not R2 on the DS3 which I personally feels better. If you ever used a real rifle which I did, the triggers do not feel the same way as triggers on Xbox controller which are too spring like. A real trigger on a real gun feels like something you press and it clicks, it does not have spring feedback. The Xbox trigger feels more like a toy gun or water gun. Also because R1 is closer to analog stick than trigger, it is ergonomically better. I do have those trigger attachments on the R2 for racing games. They only cost $3 and it feels better than Xbox triggers to me. So this is the summary on my problems with Xbox controller Xbox controller: 1) Analog sticks are hard to steer or strafe precisely because of large dead zone and stiffness of stick 2) Triggers too spring-like and hard to maintain certain RPM on racing games because of large dead zone and stiffness of trigger 3) Left stick too close to shoulder buttons and trigger 4) Trigger feels like a toy gun and a little far from right analog stick compared to R1 shooting on DS3 Does anyone else feel the same as me or am I the odd one out? I actually think DS3 is better for shooters and racing games. I hate that fact because I would love to play Black Ops, Dirt 3, MW3, Battlefield 3, Crysis 2 on Xbox because of superior graphics, frame rates and less screen tearing but I just cannot control well with Xbox controller. There are many Xbox style controllers to be used on PS3 but I cannot find any PS3 style controllers for Xbox. If there is, I'll definitely buy one. So, can anyone give me some advice or their thoughts?look4gary

I completely agree. Because of the large deadzone on the 360 analog sticks, along with the fact that they only support 8-bit precision compared to the Dual Shock 3's 10-bit precision, I also have problems aiming and shooting on the 360 pad, especially compared to the DS3.

When I play games like Halo or Forza on 360, I find that I can't manage to make precise movements when it comes to aiming or steering. Aiming and steering consists of jerking the stick to the side again and again until you get the desired aiming target or turn. I find the sticks to be highly ineffective.

When I play the same kinds of games on PS3, the higher precision of the DS3 analog sticks allow me to take turns in racing games the way they were meant to be taken, and I find aiming in first person shooters much easier and more precise. I find that I don't even need to use auto-aim on PS3 using the DS3, but because of the 360 pad's lack of precision and 8-bit analog, auto-aim is literally a must. I just wish they had auto turning for racing games as well to compensate for the analag stick's lack of precision.

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#230 cain006
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I think the 360 controller is more comfortable, so I prefer it. Don't really care which is better for fps because they're both terrible honestly. PS3's dpad is much better however.

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#231 brennanhuff
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It's not undeniable because I deny it. I prefer the 360 controller.

FoolwithaLancer

Pretty much. I actually looked into buying a controller for the PS3 that's like the 360s. Too much money, so keep on gaming on the 360.

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#232 Vinegar_Strokes
Member since 2010 • 3401 Posts

dispite all of your 'facts' i really dislike the DS3.

i find it too small, the sticks are 2 close together and i end up with a cramp and the triggers are too spongey

lets face it. the analogue stick were added to a controller that was not originally designed for analogue sticks and are badly positioned. the 360 controller is far more ergonomic.

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#233 ElectronicMagic
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I personally wish Sony would go back to the Dualshock 2 design. I think that was the best controller ever made. I miss the four shoulder buttons. Now we have two shoulder buttons & two triggers that don't work nearly as well in my opinion as the 360's. Hopefully they will change it back next gen.

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#234 JW-toch
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It's not a fact. The controller may be a bit more technologically advanced, THAT is a fact, but that doesn't make the controller better. Just as the Playstation 3 is more technologically advanced doesn't make it better than the Xbox 360. Which controller is better is based on opinions.

For example: I like BMW's, I like the sharp steering, the high acceleration and the looks of the car. That doesn't make it better than let's say, a Volvo, because someone else might prefer a safer and more comfortable car. It's called personal preference.

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#235 flashn00b
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I REALLY hate the battery life of the PS3 controller, and i think that it's godawfully short due to a feature that nobody uses. Hell, as much as i dislike how Wii remotes go through my batteries like a hot knife through butter, I actually think those last longer than PS3 controllers.

WTB PS3 wired USB controller.

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#236 Bread_or_Decide
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I love the PS3 and it's trigger. I love that I don't have to buy batteries for it and the controller was never broken so why fix it? Most of all the D pad on the PS3 is the last great D pad amongst all the consoles. I just cannot play a fighting game on the 360 because of it's D pad.
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#237 Bread_or_Decide
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I REALLY hate the battery life of the PS3 controller, and i think that it's godawfully short due to a feature that nobody uses. Hell, as much as i dislike how Wii remotes go through my batteries like a hot knife through butter, I actually think those last longer than PS3 controllers.

WTB PS3 wired USB controller.

flashn00b
You'd rather BUY batteries? Really? That's...the worst argument I've ever heard. Also you can play and charge at the same time...and also...my PS3 controller lasts a long time. How long are you gaming buddy? Charge when you take breaks...it's not hard.
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#238 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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I'm surprised this thread has gone on as long as it has, considering that it's full of opinion, and had very little fact.

There is no way to unequivicably declare which is better. I feel the DS3 is more comfortable in my hands, and a better controller, but that is just my opinion. I don't have much experience with the 360 controller, but enough for a preference.

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#239 Bread_or_Decide
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Every controller has it's pro's and con's. I love that the Wii lets me seperate my hands on my lap when I play. I love the size and comfort of the xbox controller. The PS3 has the best Dpad and has a "if its not broken don't fix it" mentality that I wish Nintendo would learn from. I wish the xbox and wii had rechargable batteries inside of them. I hate paying extra for rechargeable batteries.
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#240 flashn00b
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[QUOTE="flashn00b"]

I REALLY hate the battery life of the PS3 controller, and i think that it's godawfully short due to a feature that nobody uses. Hell, as much as i dislike how Wii remotes go through my batteries like a hot knife through butter, I actually think those last longer than PS3 controllers.

WTB PS3 wired USB controller.

Bread_or_Decide

You'd rather BUY batteries? Really? That's...the worst argument I've ever heard. Also you can play and charge at the same time...and also...my PS3 controller lasts a long time. How long are you gaming buddy? Charge when you take breaks...it's not hard.

No you can't. The cord is too short for that to be feasible.

Did Sony forget how to make a wired controller? At least give us a USB cord as long as the 360's controller.

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#241 lostfan132
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i cant speak for anyone else but myself, but im much better at shooters with the ps3 controller than the xbox one. shooting with L1 and R1 is faster than pulling down on a trigger. also the sticks on ps3 are just more responsive for me.

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#242 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="flashn00b"]

I REALLY hate the battery life of the PS3 controller, and i think that it's godawfully short due to a feature that nobody uses. Hell, as much as i dislike how Wii remotes go through my batteries like a hot knife through butter, I actually think those last longer than PS3 controllers.

WTB PS3 wired USB controller.

flashn00b

You'd rather BUY batteries? Really? That's...the worst argument I've ever heard. Also you can play and charge at the same time...and also...my PS3 controller lasts a long time. How long are you gaming buddy? Charge when you take breaks...it's not hard.

No you can't. The cord is too short for that to be feasible.

Did Sony forget how to make a wired controller? At least give us a USB cord as long as the 360's controller.

You can buy a longer one for a few bucks dude. Really... Literally only cost three bucks for a six foot cord.
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#243 arkephonic
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="flashn00b"]

I REALLY hate the battery life of the PS3 controller, and i think that it's godawfully short due to a feature that nobody uses. Hell, as much as i dislike how Wii remotes go through my batteries like a hot knife through butter, I actually think those last longer than PS3 controllers.

WTB PS3 wired USB controller.

flashn00b

You'd rather BUY batteries? Really? That's...the worst argument I've ever heard. Also you can play and charge at the same time...and also...my PS3 controller lasts a long time. How long are you gaming buddy? Charge when you take breaks...it's not hard.

No you can't. The cord is too short for that to be feasible.

Did Sony forget how to make a wired controller? At least give us a USB cord as long as the 360's controller.

The cord is a universal USB cord. The cord I use on my PS3 to connect my controller to is 30 feet long.

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#245 loosingENDS
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People that argue that the Xbox 360 controller is superior always have the same argument. They say that it is more comfortable. Well, that is subjective, that is an opinion. To some people, the Dual Shock 3 is more comfortable, to others, the Xbox 360 controller is more comfortable, this argument holds no weight at all as it is purely subjective and opinion.

These things are NOT an opinion.

The Dual Shock 3 uses motion sensing (6 axes), better known as Sixaxis support. The Xbox 360 controller does not support this or anything like it.

The Dual Shock 3 uses 3.7 V Li-ion Battery, USB Host Powered. The Xbox 360, by default, is powered by AA batteries which is a thing of the past, practically prehistoric.

The Dual Shock 3 has a wider range of motion along with higher precision with the D-Pad. The problem with the current Xbox 360 controller's D-pad is that there is too much give in the plastic piece that sits on top. Also, the circular cut-out is not always lined up perfectly to fit inside the controller's casing, so the edges can hit the controller too. Long story short, the defects in design lead to accidental directional commands and ultimately frustrated gamers.

The Dual Shock 3 has a pressure sensitive D-Pad and pressure sensitive face buttons. The 360 controller does not support pressure sensitivity for either.

The Dual Shock 3 analog sticks have 10-bit precision, allowing a higher level of precision when compared to the Xbox 360 controller, which uses 8-bit analog precision, the same level of precision used by GameCube, PS2, PS1, N64, Dreamcast, etc.

So yeah, it may be your OPINION that the Xbox 360 controller is more comfortable to hold, but just as many people think that the Dual Shock 3 is more comfortable to hold. That doesn't matter anyways, as it is just a loose, subjective opinion that holds no weight anyways. When you look at the actual specs and the actual facts between the controllers, the Dual Shock 3 is a much better controller and it is not debatable.

FACT!!

arkephonic

The triggers and sticks placement in PS3 pad is a joke, that is all there is to it

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#246 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="flashn00b"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] You'd rather BUY batteries? Really? That's...the worst argument I've ever heard. Also you can play and charge at the same time...and also...my PS3 controller lasts a long time. How long are you gaming buddy? Charge when you take breaks...it's not hard. Bread_or_Decide

No you can't. The cord is too short for that to be feasible.

Did Sony forget how to make a wired controller? At least give us a USB cord as long as the 360's controller.

You can buy a longer one for a few bucks dude. Really... Literally only cost three bucks for a six foot cord.

lol, bzzzzzzt! sorry this is sw, that does not work.

if you spend so much as one penny on anything ever that improves your experence it's a rip off and you are ruining gaming as a whole and it is unacceptible by sw standards. ;)

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#247 KevinnButlerNPK
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[QUOTE="flashn00b"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] You'd rather BUY batteries? Really? That's...the worst argument I've ever heard. Also you can play and charge at the same time...and also...my PS3 controller lasts a long time. How long are you gaming buddy? Charge when you take breaks...it's not hard. arkephonic

No you can't. The cord is too short for that to be feasible.

Did Sony forget how to make a wired controller? At least give us a USB cord as long as the 360's controller.

The cord is a universal USB cord. The cord I use on my PS3 to connect my controller to is 30 feet long.

So you agree that the cord Sony provided wasn't long enough and you had to use another one?

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#248 scorch-62
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I prefer the 360 controller. It's larger, the placements of the thumbsticks feel more comfortable, and the triggers are great. The only thing I prefer about DS3 is the d-pad. Give the 360 controller the D-pad of the DS3 (hell, even the Wiimote) and it will be the best controller to date. In my humble opinion, anyway.
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#249 JW-toch
Member since 2008 • 344 Posts

The OP is wrong. The PS3 controller isn't better because it has a few extra functions, it's all based on personal preference, not facts.

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#250 LightGalaxy_07
Member since 2009 • 626 Posts

ds3.. tested and proven