It's official: ME2 is nothing more than a dumbed down console shooter.

http://meforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=718302&forum=144

So, someone got his hands on the PC Gamer review of Mass Effect 2.

"you no longer have an inventory. its been replaced by a more abstract system, similar to a pure action game. Instead of loot drops abd containers full of equipable gear, you find technology pickups that can be researched on your ship to unlock new weapons."


"Also gone are equipment mods, replaced by castable abilities.... The miserably clunky inventory system of ME1 is no longer a problem, although the new weapon load-out and research interfaces aren't great either."

"character development(skills) has also been culled down to six or seven upgradeable skills for shepard and just four for companions. Has ME2 been dumbed down? Yeah abit, but these changes don't make it a worse game than its predecessor; it just haas some different priorities this time around,"

" The way Paragon and Renegade points are handed out could have been better, however. Often you're dealing with an issue so ambiguous that either path could be seen as good or bad, and when I'm trying to be a good guy it awards me Renegade points without telling me what it was that I did to earn them. "

" The levels are attractive, but a bit blocky and workman like. Some have inexplicable waist-high barriers that pop out of the ground when combat begins to provide cover. It's so contrived it feels like an in-joke for cover-based shooter players. "

OLLD and it will still be AAAJamani

You forgot to add in the part where it scored 90%.

Seriously, I fail to see how this game scores higher then 9.5... seriously. :?

:P

You forgot to add in the part where it scored 90%.

mo0ksi

Cool. I'd rather it be a smoother and more seamless experience. I love RPG's, but I don't need to spend hours in menus and screwing with halfassed controls.

AAA.

No. ME2 is going to own. I don't recall being able to level up abilities or even having abilities to level up in Modern Warfare. It's a hybrid game. Not a pure shooter nor pure RPG but has the best elements of both. It worked for the first Mass Effect it'll work for the 2nd one. It's going to be great. Sorry you won't be enjoying it.

what does this dumbing down have to do with console? :|

Here ya go buddy...

But i like ridiculous loot!

Bioware even stataed it themselves that ME2 was intended to be an Action RPG.

Although I enjoyed ME I think it is an extremely overrated game.

Bland side missions, bland planets for the most part, clumsy combat. I'm a big FPS fan so this one is important for me, I would have preferred if they made combat more like KOTOR. I mean, if you're going the shooting route you need to nail it right, otherwise it's best to stick with turn-based combat. The story was interesting but there were too many boring parts in between (driving the mako, etc.). The game felt like a chore at times.

I will skip ME2.

They gave it a higher score than the first ME so i guess that one was more dumbed down than ME2.

Are you just annoyed you can't play it or something?

OLLD and it will still be AAAJamani

[QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAAMetalGearSolidZ

Seriously. Oblivion scored hella high, yet it's just no good.

ME2, however, will get AAA because it deserves AAA greatness, not overrated mediocrity.

This is one of the few times that I agree with you TC.

You know a game is gonna be good when the mindless haterz start coming out of their caves.

[QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAARichardStallman

MW2 was also a good game. Oh wait... you're one of those kinds of people.

Actually, it sounds like ME2 will be an adventure game more then anything else. Personally, I feel that genre has been extremely lacking in the past few years, this will be a great addition.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Ohhh nooo, they got rid of the ridiculous amounts of useless loot! Ohhhh noooo, they removed the stats that barely mattered. This is awful!djsifer01

They probably made equipment less expensive.

I love how people keep posting the negative stuff, and seem to forget to post all the positive stuff, and the fact that it scored a 90% from a very critical source.

and yet it's still scoring 9+ reviews :?

Yet it still looks and sounds incredible. Funny that.

[QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAAMetalGearSolidZ

The first ME had such a bad inventory system, and the loot was so crappy that that part actually sounds like a plus imo.

The first ME had such a bad inventory system, and the loot was so crappy that that part actually sounds like a plus imo.

Eddie-Vedder

Yeah well... looks like I won't be getting this. Meh, I didn't even like the first one that much. Guess I'll just save my money for Call of Pripyat instead.

[QUOTE="MetalGearSolidZ"][QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAASaltyMeatballs

How was this game hyped so much in the first place? I've played through and own the PC version of ME. Typical Bioware fare but with some good gunplay. Characters not even close to as cool as KOTOR.

http://meforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=718302&forum=144

So, someone got his hands on the PC Gamer review of Mass Effect 2.

"you no longer have an inventory. its been replaced by a more abstract system, similar to a pure action game. Instead of loot drops abd containers full of equipable gear, you find technology pickups that can be researched on your ship to unlock new weapons."


"Also gone are equipment mods, replaced by castable abilities.... The miserably clunky inventory system of ME1 is no longer a problem, although the new weapon load-out and research interfaces aren't great either."

"character development(skills) has also been culled down to six or seven upgradeable skills for shepard and just four for companions. Has ME2 been dumbed down? Yeah abit, but these changes don't make it a worse game than its predecessor; it just haas some different priorities this time around,"

" The way Paragon and Renegade points are handed out could have been better, however. Often you're dealing with an issue so ambiguous that either path could be seen as good or bad, and when I'm trying to be a good guy it awards me Renegade points without telling me what it was that I did to earn them. "

" The levels are attractive, but a bit blocky and workman like. Some have inexplicable waist-high barriers that pop out of the ground when combat begins to provide cover. It's so contrived it feels like an in-joke for cover-based shooter players. "RichardStallman

In that review it still scored AAA. Oh noes, how will we survive teh duMBed d0wn?

[QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAARichardStallman

FACT: pc shooters are some how more advanced in gameplay then console shooters....

some how...some how......

Why are waist high barriers in EVERY TPS these days? I mean, Uncharted 2 was probably the one cover based TPS that didn't have a ton of inexplicable barriers, but only because it was more half and half waist barriers and walls whilst other shooters pretty much primarily use them. Heck, in FPS games they show up a bit but not NEARLY as much as in most 3rd Person shooters today.

This brings me to my next question: Does Mass Effect 2 have a cover system? If they haven't talked about it, its understandable when most games do nowadays. Even 1st person games like Rainbow Six: Vegas and Killzone 2 have cover systems, and heck inFAMOUS and Batman have some form of cover system!!! But yeah, does it?

This brings me to my next question: Does Mass Effect 2 have a cover system?

SPYDER0416

ME 1 did. It's one of the first things the game teaches you.

FACT: pc shooters are some how more advanced in gameplay then console shooters....

some how...some how......

WilliamRLBaker

But don't you understand, it's OFFICIAL now. Decreed by the office of system war, uh, officiating. Yeah, official officiating.

Or something.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

FACT: pc shooters are some how more advanced in gameplay then console shooters....

some how...some how......

LazerChachi

But don't you understand, it's OFFICIAL now. Decreed by the office of system war, uh, officiating. Yeah, official officiating.

Or something.

:P

thats not my point, the simple fact is that gameplay it self is the same accross pc and console when it comes to an FPS game theres no difference one cannot be better then the other unless the gameplay it self is bad not because its a pc game or console game of that type.

if he wanted to say it was dumbed down rpg MAYBE but fps no sorry...

As long as the plot is equal to that of ME, I'm good.

http://meforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=718302&forum=144

So, someone got his hands on the PC Gamer review of Mass Effect 2.

"you no longer have an inventory. its been replaced by a more abstract system, similar to a pure action game. Instead of loot drops abd containers full of equipable gear, you find technology pickups that can be researched on your ship to unlock new weapons."


"Also gone are equipment mods, replaced by castable abilities.... The miserably clunky inventory system of ME1 is no longer a problem, although the new weapon load-out and research interfaces aren't great either."

"character development(skills) has also been culled down to six or seven upgradeable skills for shepard and just four for companions. Has ME2 been dumbed down? Yeah abit, but these changes don't make it a worse game than its predecessor; it just haas some different priorities this time around,"

" The way Paragon and Renegade points are handed out could have been better, however. Often you're dealing with an issue so ambiguous that either path could be seen as good or bad, and when I'm trying to be a good guy it awards me Renegade points without telling me what it was that I did to earn them. "

" The levels are attractive, but a bit blocky and workman like. Some have inexplicable waist-high barriers that pop out of the ground when combat begins to provide cover. It's so contrived it feels like an in-joke for cover-based shooter players. "

RichardStallman

I'd normally be frustrated and unhappy about this, but in this perticular case I'm not sure it's such a bad thing. While I'd normally prefer the greater degree of complexity, those elemennt were generally poorly done in ME1. The inventory handing was horrible. there was tons of loot but it was never really very interesting. Getting a new, better gun never really made a significant diffrence to your game play. The leveling up didnt seem to offer that many viable choices.

Overall I'm not sure any of these changes would actually take anything away from ME1 that I would miss. I'd rather have seen them remake those systems, I just hope that they've managed to add more choice and complexity in other areas to replace what is lost (for example, the diffrent weapon types looks like they could introduce a lot of strategy into the game if they re done well).

Lets see...

Two reviews out so far and one is 95% and the other is 90%. Looks great so far to me and no bad reviews so far.

[QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAAMetalGearSolidZ

What are you talking about, all you've done is bash this game and anything not on the PS3, I have a hard time believing you had any hype for this game.

Ohhh nooo, they got rid of the ridiculous amounts of useless loot! Ohhhh noooo, they removed the stats that barely mattered. This is awful!AAllxxjjnn

This.

thats not my point, the simple fact is that gameplay it self is the same accross pc and console when it comes to an FPS game theres no difference one cannot be better then the other unless the gameplay it self is bad not because its a pc game or console game of that type.

if he wanted to say it was dumbed down rpg MAYBE but fps no sorry...

WilliamRLBaker