It's official: ME2 is nothing more than a dumbed down console shooter.

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#51 Vesica_Prime
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Its Deus Ex: Invisible Wars all over again! Hurrah!

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#52 mitu123
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

This brings me to my next question: Does Mass Effect 2 have a cover system?

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ME 1 did. It's one of the first things the game teaches you.

And ME2 does too going by the vids in combat mode, and has improved much more than the original ME.

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#53 skinny_man_69
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

This brings me to my next question: Does Mass Effect 2 have a cover system?

ME 1 did. It's one of the first things the game teaches you.

And ME2 does too going by the vids in combat mode, and has improved much more than the original ME.

Yes I think I remember in one of the earlier dev diaries them explaining that they completely overhauled the cover system and went from around 15 animations for cover in the first game to over 50 in the second. It looks a lot more fluid now instead of just sticking to walls
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#54 texasgoldrush
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Its Deus Ex: Invisible Wars all over again! Hurrah!

Vesica_Prime
Which was an extremely underrated game....the story is better than the first game and much more meaningful.
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#55 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Its Deus Ex: Invisible Wars all over again! Hurrah!

texasgoldrush

Which was an extremely underrated game....the story is better than the first game and much more meaningful.

Run now whilst you still can -They are coming for you lol but I am one of the few it seems who also enjoyed IW a bit more then most here but a AA was about right for the game IMO.

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#56 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Its Deus Ex: Invisible Wars all over again! Hurrah!

Which was an extremely underrated game....the story is better than the first game and much more meaningful.

Run now whilst you still can -They are coming for you lol but I am one of the few it seems who also enjoyed IW a bit more then most here but a AA was about right for the game IMO.

I do think the first game was overall better...........but the story in the second one made the game worth playing. Its better paced, more meaningful, and more emotionally resonanting than the first game.
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I knew it!!! looking at the trailers I knew this game got turned into more of a shooter then a rpg. I could tell. and its a damn shame too. Why bioware? is it the 360 shooter crowd you are marketing this too. Trying to cash in on the Halo and COD trend that the 360 audience loves over RPGs? Lack of PC focus and more console focus is what killed the DEUS EX franchise. The first was a killer game with stats and deep rpg inventory system. the second deus ex was dumbed down and made for the xbox1 crowd instead of the PC gamers and they took out stats and a lot of things that made the original great. From this it seems it may be the case for ME2. Shame. A Shooter RPG doesn't need to play like COD... Look at fallout3 and you will see that. This just saddens me. I hope it's not as bad as TC is saying but, I doubt it based on the trailers.
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I knew it!!! looking at the trailers I knew this game got turned into more of a shooter then a rpg. I could tell. and its a damn shame too. Why bioware? is it the 360 shooter crowd you are marketing this too. Trying to cash in on the Halo and COD trend that the 360 audience loves over RPGs? Lack of PC focus and more console focus is what killed the DEUS EX franchise. The first was a killer game with stats and deep rpg inventory system. the second deus ex was dumbed down and made for the xbox1 crowd instead of the PC gamers and they took out stats and a lot of things that made the original great. From this it seems it may be the case for ME2. Shame. A Shooter RPG doesn't need to play like COD... Look at fallout3 and you will see that. This just saddens me. I hope it's not as bad as TC is saying but, I doubt it based on the trailers.Midnightshade29
Umm, except they aren't taking out things that were great, they're taking out things that sucked.
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#59 Midnightshade29
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This is one of the few times that I agree with you TC.

Yandere
Alright Yandere , what classic dungeon crawler is in your sig now? I love old school dungeon crawlers... I've never seen this, what game?
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#60 Iantheone
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I like what they are doing to the new game. Yes they are taking away most of the RPG elements and turning it more into an interactive movie. I like how the game seems like it will be more focused on your actions and choices in the game than getting more levels and extra loot.
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#61 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="MetalGearSolidZ"][QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAABioShockOwnz

scores mean nothing, my hype for this game has died

Seriously. Oblivion scored hella high, yet it's just no good.

ME2, however, will get AAA because it deserves AAA greatness, not overrated mediocrity.

How do you know that? Have you played it?
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#62 Yandere
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[QUOTE="Yandere"]

This is one of the few times that I agree with you TC.

Midnightshade29

Alright Yandere , what classic dungeon crawler is in your sig now? I love old school dungeon crawlers... I've never seen this, what game?

I took a screenshot of this guys game, it's not finished so there isn't a real point of playing it (besides the map editor), but I enjoyed the graphics so I decided to use it as a signature.

Honestly, I was searching for a First Person maze game to fiddle around with but I found that instead.

Also, if you want a actual dungeon crawler just ask.

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#63 Midnightshade29
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[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]I knew it!!! looking at the trailers I knew this game got turned into more of a shooter then a rpg. I could tell. and its a damn shame too. Why bioware? is it the 360 shooter crowd you are marketing this too. Trying to cash in on the Halo and COD trend that the 360 audience loves over RPGs? Lack of PC focus and more console focus is what killed the DEUS EX franchise. The first was a killer game with stats and deep rpg inventory system. the second deus ex was dumbed down and made for the xbox1 crowd instead of the PC gamers and they took out stats and a lot of things that made the original great. From this it seems it may be the case for ME2. Shame. A Shooter RPG doesn't need to play like COD... Look at fallout3 and you will see that. This just saddens me. I hope it's not as bad as TC is saying but, I doubt it based on the trailers.AAllxxjjnn
Umm, except they aren't taking out things that were great, they're taking out things that sucked.

For you maybe.. but I am shootered out(been so for a while now).. If I want a shooter I'll go play Quake 3, or Unreal tornament 99/2004, Stalker , Crysis, Killzone 2, Resistance, Warhawk, Fear, etc... I don't like when PC quality RPGs get infected with consolitis.. Case in point Deus EX2 my favorite Shooter RPg turned into a pile of crap because of taking out RPG elments and targeting for the console crowd. I will pass on this game if its just a shooter. I got real RPGS on the PC right now. I am still working on Risen (aka Gothic 4) , Divinity 2 , NWN2, Witcher enhanced, Escholon bk 2 is coming out, and for ps3:Disgaea3, Demon souls, FF13, WKC, SO4, Last Rebellion, and two worlds 2 for either platform , unless someone can confirm that ME2 still has stats and inventory then I will be skipping for now.
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#64 Midnightshade29
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[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

This is one of the few times that I agree with you TC.

Yandere

Alright Yandere , what classic dungeon crawler is in your sig now? I love old school dungeon crawlers... I've never seen this, what game?

I took a screenshot of this guys game, it's not finished so there isn't a real point of playing it (besides the map editor), but I enjoyed the graphics so I decided to use it as a signature.

Honestly, I was searching for a First Person maze game to fiddle around with but I found that instead.

Also, if you want a actual dungeon crawler just ask.

yeah, give me the names of a few dungeon crawlers that are good. I am playing Eterian Odyssey 1 and Dark Spire on the DS and Class of heroes on the psp.. but I would love to play some others. so let me know thanks.
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#65 blaaah
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Nice to see the game isn't having an identity crisis anymore. The previous game didn't know what it wanted to be and did an awful of job of trying to be action and RPG. Not to mention that inventory system was one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever had to navigate through. Atleast they fixed those problems. That said, I don't really have any interest in this game. The team member 'interview' commercials are enough to make me ram forks into my temples. ME1's characters were the most annoying bunch of morons that I've ever had the misfortune of meeting...I honestly didn't think it could get worse.
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]I knew it!!! looking at the trailers I knew this game got turned into more of a shooter then a rpg. I could tell. and its a damn shame too. Why bioware? is it the 360 shooter crowd you are marketing this too. Trying to cash in on the Halo and COD trend that the 360 audience loves over RPGs? Lack of PC focus and more console focus is what killed the DEUS EX franchise. The first was a killer game with stats and deep rpg inventory system. the second deus ex was dumbed down and made for the xbox1 crowd instead of the PC gamers and they took out stats and a lot of things that made the original great. From this it seems it may be the case for ME2. Shame. A Shooter RPG doesn't need to play like COD... Look at fallout3 and you will see that. This just saddens me. I hope it's not as bad as TC is saying but, I doubt it based on the trailers.Midnightshade29
Umm, except they aren't taking out things that were great, they're taking out things that sucked.

For you maybe.. but I am shootered out(been so for a while now).. If I want a shooter I'll go play Quake 3, or Unreal tornament 99/2004, Stalker , Crysis, Killzone 2, Resistance, Warhawk, Fear, etc... I don't like when PC quality RPGs get infected with consolitis.. Case in point Deus EX2 my favorite Shooter RPg turned into a pile of crap because of taking out RPG elments and targeting for the console crowd. I will pass on this game if its just a shooter. I got real RPGS on the PC right now. I am still working on Risen (aka Gothic 4) , Divinity 2 , NWN2, Witcher enhanced, Escholon bk 2 is coming out, and for ps3:Disgaea3, Demon souls, FF13, WKC, SO4, Last Rebellion, and two worlds 2 for either platform , unless someone can confirm that ME2 still has stats and inventory then I will be skipping for now.

ME2 has stats and inventory...instead of carrying weapons and armor, you carry upgrades and parts. For stats and character building...all they took out is the weapon skills and charm/intimidate...you still level up your powers and even have to choose between two different bonuses when you max them out.
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#67 Midnightshade29
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Thank you, texasgoldrush , I probably will check it out then.
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#68 coltgames
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I called IT i allways said it was more of a shooter then an rpg but it will still be a good game either way

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#69 mtradr43
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how is all that a big deal? more action, better shooting, and you dont have to stop every 30 seconds to play a hacking minigame to open something that has 1 to 3 items that suck so bad compared to what you have that they go right into the sale bin. this all saves time if you ask me.
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#70 ThatGuyFromB4
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Mass Effect was always console focused. What's with PC gamers always wanting everything to be needlessly complicated anyway? Sometimes simple is better.

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doesnt change the fact that its a fun, exciting, graphically impressive, much anticipated, awesome, etc game.
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#73 Yandere
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[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"] Alright Yandere , what classic dungeon crawler is in your sig now? I love old school dungeon crawlers... I've never seen this, what game? Midnightshade29

I took a screenshot of this guys game, it's not finished so there isn't a real point of playing it (besides the map editor), but I enjoyed the graphics so I decided to use it as a signature.

Honestly, I was searching for a First Person maze game to fiddle around with but I found that instead.

Also, if you want a actual dungeon crawler just ask.

yeah, give me the names of a few dungeon crawlers that are good. I am playing Eterian Odyssey 1 and Dark Spire on the DS and ****of heroes on the psp.. but I would love to play some others. so let me know thanks.

Shining the Holy Ark, Arcana, Shining in the Darkness, Spirit of Adventure, Galdregon's Domain, Hired Guns, Lands of Lore: The Throne of Chaos, Legacy of The Ancients, The Legend of Blacksilver, Lords of Midnight, Arx Fatalis, Betryal at Krondor, Bloodwych, Centauri Alliance, Chaos Strikes Back, Dark Heart of Uukrul, Anvil of Dawn, and Towers: Lord Baniff's Deceit.

Sorry that it took me a while to respond, I was also watching TV.

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#74 Funconsole
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You forgot to add in the part where it scored 90%.

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^this
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#75 devious742
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You forgot to add in the part where it scored 90%.

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yea..forget all the cons.. it scored a 90%.. all those things dont matter.. deep character development is gone but hey.. it scored a 90% who cares.. look i dont really care about this game but i find it weird that even though some of those cons are very important to an rpg like this.... then to be cut down or removed..its suddenly no big deal because the game scored a 90% but o well this is system wars...


" The levels are attractive, but a bit blocky and workman like. Some have inexplicable waist-high barriers that pop out of the ground when combat begins to provide cover. It's so contrived it feels like an in-joke for cover-based shooter players. "

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#76 johnnyblazed88
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there is just too many ways to play ME for it be called just a regular shooter

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#77 67gt500
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waist-high barriers that pop out of the ground? NOOooooOOOOOooOOOo!!!!!!
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#78 Midnightshade29
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Thanks Yandere, I only played Shinning in the Darkness and Arx Fatalis out of that list... I played alot of old school wizardry, ulitma underworld , might and magic , dungone master, and eye of beholder pc games but to only play 2 out of all those games you listed.. that's shocking, and very cool! Going to go look these up . Thanks!
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#79 adv_tr00per
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I'm still getting it :p

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#80 rolo107
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[QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAARichardStallman
Just like MW2. There's no point in big website reviews anymore.

Yet big magazine reviews are fine? You realize they are likely to BS reviews, and articles to maintain their current audience due to their flimsy place in the industry as of late. Any review has to be taken as it is, someone's opinion, with possible bias and outside influence; however in most cases that's not an issue.
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#81 Chutebox
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It scored 90%.....90%! How can anyone possibly try and turn that into a negative thing?

That's nonsense.

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#82 mo0ksi
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[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]

You forgot to add in the part where it scored 90%.

devious742

yea..forget all the cons.. it scored a 90%.. all those things dont matter.. deep character development is gone but hey.. it scored a 90% who cares.. look i dont really care about this game but i find it weird that even though some of those cons are very important to an rpg like this.... then to be cut down or removed..its suddenly no big deal because the game scored a 90% but o well this is system wars...


" The levels are attractive, but a bit blocky and workman like. Some have inexplicable waist-high barriers that pop out of the ground when combat begins to provide cover. It's so contrived it feels like an in-joke for cover-based shooter players. "

If the original was the least bit deep in terms of role-playing, then I would be upset. The game has its cons, but the OP made it out as if the game scored poorly.

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#83 PSdual_wielder
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I don't get the hate for this game. Do people really want the entire industry to be making nothing but the same 4-6 hours, 40 weapons that all feel the same, no replay value games?

Its the devs similar to bioware that still makes gaming worth the money.

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#84 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAARichardStallman
Just like MW2. There's no point in big website reviews anymore.

I agree 100% with you Richard. I'm actually so disappointed with the direction Mass Effect 2 took that now I'll be waiting for it to hit the bargain bin before I pick it up.
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#85 SparkyProtocol
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[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Ohhh nooo, they got rid of the ridiculous amounts of useless loot! Ohhhh noooo, they removed the stats that barely mattered. This is awful!AAllxxjjnn
Yah but that ridiculous loot made me rich in the first game.

It made me annoyed because inventory management sucked ass. None of the weapons even felt very different, they only felt a little more powerful than the last. I never felt "Oh **** YES!!!, Katana VI, this is SO awesome! I LOVE ALL THIS LOOT!".

I never bothered with the loot in any of my playthroughs. It was very annoying. What are we going to do, man? They took out the annoying loot system while improving the role playing and combat. WE ARE **** It'll also flop because I will have to get off of my ass to switch discs. /sarcasm

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#86 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAARichardStallman
Just like MW2. There's no point in big website reviews anymore.

exactly.. just like the other overrated PS3 titles such as MGS4, Uncharted, etc. it's so refreshing to see someone agree that those games were totally overrated and their big website reviews were useless.

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#87 Gundamforce
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[QUOTE="RichardStallman"][QUOTE="Jamani"]OLLD and it will still be AAA3picuri3

Just like MW2. There's no point in big website reviews anymore.

exactly.. just like the other overrated PS3 titles such as MGS4, Uncharted, etc. it's so refreshing to see someone agree that those games were totally overrated and their big website reviews were useless.

At the end of the day, they're all just opinions. Just take them as it is...opinions.

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#88 Chutebox
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Kinda off topic but kinda not regarding ME1. Shepard and company stopped Soveirgn from opening the portal for the rest of the reapers to enter through the citadel. So, what is there to fight for now in the sequel? I mean, the reapers are trapped in dark space now, no?

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#89 Gundamforce
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Kinda off topic but kinda not regarding ME1. Shepard and company stopped Soveirgn from opening the portal for the rest of the reapers to enter through the citadel. So, what is there to fight for now in the sequel? I mean, the reapers are trapped in dark space now, no?

Chutebox

They made a new race called the Collectors which will serve as the bad guys. I don't know much about them yet.

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#90 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Kinda off topic but kinda not regarding ME1. Shepard and company stopped Soveirgn from opening the portal for the rest of the reapers to enter through the citadel. So, what is there to fight for now in the sequel? I mean, the reapers are trapped in dark space now, no?

Gundamforce

They made a new race called the Collectors which will serve as the bad guys. I don't know much about them yet.

Who made them?
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#91 Verge_6
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I called it from the start, considering that ME 1 was a bad shooter and a bad RPG. Seems like this time they'll get rid of the RPG and focus on the shooting to appeal console gamers.dont-read-this
Yet you gave DA:O a 10. Very interesting.

As expected, this thread is filled with a bunch of posters who were dead set on hating this game from the start pretending that this laughably segmented review changed them over.

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#92 Dahaka-UK
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So it seems FFXIII is more an RPG than ME2. Another game thats trying to mimick gears of war. Another generic TPS. For the masses.

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#93 Gundamforce
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Didn't take long for all the ERPG fans to go all out here.

[QUOTE="Gundamforce"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Kinda off topic but kinda not regarding ME1. Shepard and company stopped Soveirgn from opening the portal for the rest of the reapers to enter through the citadel. So, what is there to fight for now in the sequel? I mean, the reapers are trapped in dark space now, no?

Chutebox

They made a new race called the Collectors which will serve as the bad guys. I don't know much about them yet.

Who made them?

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Collectors

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#94 AAllxxjjnn
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So it seems FFXIII is more an RPG than ME2.

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What?
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#95 Dahaka-UK
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[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

So it seems FFXIII is more an RPG than ME2.

AAllxxjjnn
What?

What does one not understand. ME2 just got dumbed down into shooter. For the masses.
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#96 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

So it seems FFXIII is more an RPG than ME2.

Dahaka-UK
What?

What does one not understand. ME2 just got dumbed down into shooter. For the masses.

Lulz, right? Please tell lulz...
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#97 Chutebox
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Didn't take long for all the ERPG fans to go all out here.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Gundamforce"]

They made a new race called the Collectors which will serve as the bad guys. I don't know much about them yet.

Gundamforce

Who made them?

Ah, thanks. I just felt it was odd at the end of ME when Shepard said he's gonna go wipe the Reapers out, yet they were trapped. Was a bit confused...

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#98 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] What?Verge_6
What does one not understand. ME2 just got dumbed down into shooter. For the masses.

Lulz, right? Please tell lulz...

I'm not hating on ME at all, but it was kinda "shooter" heavy to begin with. So I don't see the big deal.

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Just like MW2. There's no point in big website reviews anymore.

Agreed. I still give them a look, but a high score isn't going to sell me on a game I wasn't already interested in any more...

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#100 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"] What does one not understand. ME2 just got dumbed down into shooter. For the masses.Chutebox

Lulz, right? Please tell lulz...

I'm not hating on ME at all, but it was kinda "shooter" heavy to begin with. So I don't see the big deal.

Even if that's the case, it means the poster was ignorant as to what ME1 was to begin with. And disregarding that entirely, there's still the fact that removing a slew of the more annoying/useless features that we saw in ME1 doesn't singlehandedly turn it into a shooter, and it's certainly not 'dumbing it down'. Hence why I'm praying Dahaka here was merely being sarcastic.