It's official: ME2 is nothing more than a dumbed down console shooter.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Lulz, right? Please tell lulz...Verge_6

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

So it seems FFXIII is more an RPG than ME2.

Dahaka-UK

Coming from a part Cow part Sheep:

Mass Effect 2 is going to be a good game, like the first one. Haters get over it, until you have something constructive to say. I for one will be borrowing/taking my friend's old 360 to get ME2, it just looks like a good game. People need to stop denying the idea that the other consoles could never have a good game.

It wasn't shooter heavy to behind with, it was a shooter with RPG elements to begin with but now it's obviously throwning away any depth it previously had and going shooter 85%. For the masses. The inferior masses.

It wasn't shooter heavy to behind with, it was a shooter with RPG elements to begin with but now it's obviously throwning away any depth it previously had and going shooter 85% For the masses. The inferior masses.

Dahaka-UK

what does this dumbing down have to do with console? :|

sikanderahmed

I'm sorry, but only crazy people would actually want all that pointless inventory management and useless skiils in their game. Those were the most annoying parts of the first game...

It wasn't shooter heavy to behind with, it was a shooter with RPG elements to begin with but now it's obviously throwning away any depth it previously had and going shooter 85%. For the masses. The inferior masses.

Dahaka-UK

I hope they didnt dumb it down too much...I enjoyed almost everything about the first one and I hope it doesnt end up being another brainless shooter like most of the games for Xbox...and the 90% score doesnt really mean much, the general public loves casual dumbed down games and most of the time reviews reflect that (im looking at you Call of Duty)

p.s. im still getting it regardless once I get money

You will probably get to role play better then any other game on mass effect 2.

http://meforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=718302&forum=144

So, someone got his hands on the PC Gamer review of Mass Effect 2.

"you no longer have an inventory. its been replaced by a more abstract system, similar to a pure action game. Instead of loot drops abd containers full of equipable gear, you find technology pickups that can be researched on your ship to unlock new weapons."

- The inventory system in the first was terrible, by the end of the game you were forced to vender long lists of useless items. I am actually happy they did away with this it did nothing to make Mass Effect more of an RPG


"Also gone are equipment mods, replaced by castable abilities.... The miserably clunky inventory system of ME1 is no longer a problem, although the new weapon load-out and research interfaces aren't great either."

-Equipment Mods were also pointless, besides medical mods you could add to armor, you could essentially run through the game without ever using this feature. It needed to be streamlined and it sounds like it was.

"character development(skills) has also been culled down to six or seven upgradeable skills for shepard and just four for companions. Has ME2 been dumbed down? Yeah abit, but these changes don't make it a worse game than its predecessor; it just haas some different priorities this time around,"

- Nothing is really lost here...all they did was group up the attribute system. So instead of putting points into shotguns, you put points into a more broad catagory. I actually was pretty happy to find out they really cut down the attributes for followers as well. I found in Mass Effect that a lot of my companions had useless skills. As a whole this really isn't a downgrade at all, they simply took the system they already had and made it more practical.

" The way Paragon and Renegade points are handed out could have been better, however. Often you're dealing with an issue so ambiguous that either path could be seen as good or bad, and when I'm trying to be a good guy it awards me Renegade points without telling me what it was that I did to earn them. "

Morally ambiguous decisions may be a slight annoyance here (although for the most part I would think you'd know what is evil or good) but this is another welcomed change in my opinion. If my character is an evil dude, It wouldn't make sense for him to be able to persuade the enemy using friendly speech.

" The levels are attractive, but a bit blocky and workman like. Some have inexplicable waist-high barriers that pop out of the ground when combat begins to provide cover. It's so contrived it feels like an in-joke for cover-based shooter players. "

- Happens in most games...I doubt it will really be that annoying. Nobody complained about the waist high barriers all over GeOW games.

RichardStallman

Its still an RPG

Coming from a part Cow part Sheep:

Mass Effect 2 is going to be a good game, like the first one. Haters get over it, until you have something constructive to say. I for one will be borrowing/taking my friend's old 360 to get ME2, it just looks like a good game. People need to stop denying the idea that the other consoles could never have a good game.

ElTriforceo

This has nothing to do with "the console war" not everything does...Something people on this board find hard to accept. Most of the people like myself complaining about the direction this game is tacking were looking forward to the game as we played the first one. Mass Effect Series is not Exclusive. Anyone with a PC from the last 4-5 yeas and a Geforce 6800 series or higher should be able to play the game no problem, which according to steam is the majority of gamers who own a pc. We are upset that the game may be getting dumbed down for the "shooter" crowd, inventory management is a vital part of any rpg. It was in the first one.

I understand how some of you don't give a damn.. " Just want to get into actionz" ... but some of us love the pacing bioware rpgs allowed, being able to pause the game with the space button and choose where you are going to attack, with what. Using items for healing or other misc items to change battle. If you played any of the Kotor games you would understand what I am referring to. Rpgs fans saw a gem of a series get destroyed by doing just what tc is describing is happening to me2. Dues EX was RPg -shooter of the decade then Dues EX 2 sucked big-time as they took out the RPG elements and simplified it for the console crowd.. Just because someone owns a console doesn't mean they should be happy with just shooters and or shooters with mediorce rpg elements.

Like I said certain things are staples of rpgs and were staples of the first Mass Effect.. While I will still check out the game my hype level has hit a flatline and will probably wait to pick this up until after reviews. I played enough shooters and was hoping for a game like me1. Maybe it's still somewhat like that, but I am not going to take a gamble on that until i hear more reviews.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

So it seems FFXIII is more an RPG than ME2.

Dahaka-UK

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

It wasn't shooter heavy to behind with, it was a shooter with RPG elements to begin with but now it's obviously throwning away any depth it previously had and going shooter 85%. For the masses. The inferior masses.

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

It wasn't shooter heavy to behind with, it was a shooter with RPG elements to begin with but now it's obviously throwning away any depth it previously had and going shooter 85%. For the masses. The inferior masses.

Midnightshade29

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

It wasn't shooter heavy to behind with, it was a shooter with RPG elements to begin with but now it's obviously throwning away any depth it previously had and going shooter 85%. For the masses. The inferior masses.

Midnightshade29

Not every RPG is about loot or stats. If you've ever played PnP RPGs (other than DnD) you should know that. Mass Effect is about Shephard, who and what he is. In Mass Effect you get to create and tell your own story, which is in my opinion the true essence of RPG.

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Its not like Mass Effect had much depth to begin with, so who honestly cares? I would much rather have them focus on the shooting and role playing besides pointless character management and inventory management.Icarian

Not every RPG is about loot or stats. If you've ever played PnP RPGs (other than DnD) you should know that. Mass Effect is about Shephard, who and what he is. In Mass Effect you get to create and tell your own story, which is in my opinion the true essence of RPG.

Most of the items you picked up were useless anyway.

And I hated shuffling through long lists of items I would never touch (especially when you had to sit there deleting most of them because the game wouldn't let you exit the menu if you exceeded the limit of items)

Topics like this make me hate Gamespot.

Not every RPG is about loot or stats. If you've ever played PnP RPGs (other than DnD) you should know that. Mass Effect is about Shephard, who and what he is. In Mass Effect you get to create and tell your own story, which is in my opinion the true essence of RPG.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Icarian"]

Not every RPG is about loot or stats. If you've ever played PnP RPGs (other than DnD) you should know that. Mass Effect is about Shephard, who and what he is. In Mass Effect you get to create and tell your own story, which is in my opinion the true essence of RPG.

naval

It would be cool if they made a resident evil rpg, it would be set in a world that has alot of zombies. Anyone think resident evil would make a good rpg?

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Thank You.... People really do not know what an RPG is.texasgoldrush

Well they didn't really had much affect in in the first game and first game is the only thing we can use to judge the series and Shephard's story as of now.

Also, one of the review had only one con mentioned - the choices you made in the first game didn't had a lot of affect on the second one

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[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"] How is character managment and iventory pointless? You guys never played Kotor? Diablo2, Morrowind/Elder scrolls. (would name more obscure wrpgs /action rpgs, but most of you wouldn't know the non system wars hyped games) Inventory Systems and character management have been a staple of rpgs since crpgs were first programmed on Pc back in the early 80s. What fun is it when you don't get to collect cool loot after a battle? or a cache of weapons , items or gold. looting, shopping , item collection , management is a part of an rpg. You just killed a boss but you can't take his gear , because there is no inventory system...yeah that sounds like a lot of fun...texasgoldrush

Not every RPG is about loot or stats. If you've ever played PnP RPGs (other than DnD) you should know that. Mass Effect is about Shephard, who and what he is. In Mass Effect you get to create and tell your own story, which is in my opinion the true essence of RPG.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="naval"] except that no matter what you did the story or the outcome didn't really had any affect (besides the choice at the extreme end)naval

Well they didn't really had much affect in in the first game and first game is the only thing we can use to judge the series and Shephard's story as of now.

Also, one of the review had only one con mentioned - the choices you made in the first game didn't had a lot of affect on the second one

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Icarian"]

Not every RPG is about loot or stats. If you've ever played PnP RPGs (other than DnD) you should know that. Mass Effect is about Shephard, who and what he is. In Mass Effect you get to create and tell your own story, which is in my opinion the true essence of RPG.

naval

Mainly the purpose of choises in first game was to define Shephard and who he is. Some choises did affect the world (like fate of the counsil), but the most important thing is that in Mass Effect player gets to tell the story of Shephard. Start and ending maybe the same (we don't know before ME3), but the journey will be different for each Shephard.

Yay I love shooters

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Icarian"]

Not every RPG is about loot or stats. If you've ever played PnP RPGs (other than DnD) you should know that. Mass Effect is about Shephard, who and what he is. In Mass Effect you get to create and tell your own story, which is in my opinion the true essence of RPG.

naval

The illusion that your choice matters was there though. It's easy to look back and point out the flaws, but while you're playing you rarely notice the smoke and mirrors.

It's also a dumbed down PC game since it's also on the PC

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Thank You.... People really do not know what an RPG is.Baranga

The illusion that your choice matters was there though. It's easy to look back and point out the flaws, but while you're playing you rarely notice the smoke and mirrors.

Those look like great changes to me?

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Its not like Mass Effect had much depth to begin with, so who honestly cares? I would much rather have them focus on the shooting and role playing besides pointless character management and inventory management.Icarian

Not every RPG is about loot or stats. If you've ever played PnP RPGs (other than DnD) you should know that. Mass Effect is about Shephard, who and what he is. In Mass Effect you get to create and tell your own story, which is in my opinion the true essence of RPG.

CRPGs are different from PnP RPGs, no CRPGs have ever replicated PnP RPGs.

It should not drastically change the story in this one. Why? It would be too difficult to do the third game. Next game though, should have an even bigger impact.texasgoldrush

Mainly the purpose of choises in first game was to define Shephard and who he is. Some choises did affect the world (like fate of the counsil), but the most important thing is that in Mass Effect player gets to tell the story of Shephard. Start and ending maybe the same (we don't know before ME3), but the journey will be different for each Shephard.

Icarian

I'm not seeing a problem here. It's still an RPG and the shooting is better. The game has interesting characters and a cool sci-fi hook. There are no whiny teenagers saving the world and it's got Sarah from Chuck in it.

AAA.

Its official: ME2 got 1 9.0, 1 9.5 and 2 10.0 and you are just trying too hard.

CRPGs are different from PnP RPGs, no CRPGs have ever replicated PnP RPGs.

Yandere

I know the difference, but my point was that loot and stats don't make an RPG. Original claim was that ME2 is "dumped down" as an RPG because of missing loot and stats.

Lets see...

Two reviews out so far and one is 95% and the other is 90%. Looks great so far to me and no bad reviews so far.

kozzy1234

Man, GamesTM and (i think) EDGE gave it 10/10. Its official :D

So wait ... We're complaining that instead of having an inventory full of the exact same weapons in different colours, we have a new system in which we collect blue-prints and designs, then create the weapons back on the Normandy. The difference is minor ... very minor.

The Paragon/Renegade system has been tweaked, not removed, instead of putting points in it, it will upgrad itself depending on what decision you take (Like KOTOR) but in the background away from the players eyes.

Then there's the removel of some stats ... SOME stats, as in 3 i believe. Weapon stats, you no longer put exp into weapon stats. The weapon stats did nothing ... except make you shoot better. You know, that thing that havign weapon mods will render completely irrelevent.

The games been improved in everyway possible, it hasn't been dumbed down, it's been streamlined.

The Paragon/Renegade system has been tweaked, not removed, instead of putting points in it, it will upgrad itself depending on what decision you take (Like KOTOR) but in the background away from the players eyes.

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