It's OFFICIAL STAR WARS MMO FAILS to stand up to WoW free to play as of the fall

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Priced content that has absolutely no effect whatsoever on players who choose not to buy them, you mean. Mounts and companion pets serve no real game function. Even before they were made available on the cash shop, they only existed in the game as a mean to flex your e-peen and show off how cool you were for doing something that was difficult. All of the mounts announced thus far for MoP are still obtainable through player achievements, with the except of one mount and pet included with the collector's edition. They're literally cosmetic skins that don't affect gameplay whatsoever--to get uppity about Blizzard putting a small fraction of them on the cash shop is the pinnacle of self-righteous stupidity.waltefmoney

Justify it however you like. I don't really care.

I gave up on MMORPG's a long time ago and even if I were to start playing one, it would be anything but WoW.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Priced content that has absolutely no effect whatsoever on players who choose not to buy them, you mean. Mounts and companion pets serve no real game function. Even before they were made available on the cash shop, they only existed in the game as a mean to flex your e-peen and show off how cool you were for doing something that was difficult. All of the mounts announced thus far for MoP are still obtainable through player achievements, with the except of one mount and pet included with the collector's edition. They're literally cosmetic skins that don't affect gameplay whatsoever--to get uppity about Blizzard putting a small fraction of them on the cash shop is the pinnacle of self-righteous stupidity.princeofshapeir

Justify it however you like. I don't really care.

I gave up on MMORPG's a long time ago and even if I were to start playing one, it would be anything but WoW.

Pointing out that someone is immature, is immature.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Justify it however you like. I don't really care.

I gave up on MMORPG's a long time ago and even if I were to start playing one, it would be anything but WoW.

waltefmoney

Pointing out that someone is immature, is immature.

Whatever helps you feel better about knowing you're wrong about something.princeofshapeir

I know I'm wrong about a lot of stuff, I don't really need anything to help me cope with it.

You though seem to be investing an awful lot of emotion into this. At least you're not as bad as Unreal, going around screaming "I love you Blizzard."

[QUOTE="Namgis"]

Kotor III. Closer to becoming a reality. Good news for me, bad news for them.

JangoWuzHere

I don't think that is likely at all considering what happens in The Old Republic story wise.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Whatever helps you feel better about knowing you're wrong about something.waltefmoney

I know I'm wrong about a lot of stuff, I don't really need anything to help me cope with it.

You though seem to be investing an awful lot of emotion into this. At least you're not as bad as Unreal, going around screaming "I love you Blizzard."

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="Namgis"]

Kotor III. Closer to becoming a reality. Good news for me, bad news for them.

the-obiwan

I don't think that is likely at all considering what happens in The Old Republic story wise.

Considering SWToR cleared up all the KotoR storylines...yeah nope lol

I thought it was pretty clear that -Unreal- is a troll. He often claims WoW is the best game ever, best RPG ever, has the best story of any game ever, etc. I don't 100% support Blizzard (they really botched Diablo 3, that's indisputable) but they often get undeserved hate simply because they've been at the top of the MMO scene for eight years.princeofshapeir

Well I don't really hate Blizzard, I dislike WoW and the rest of their games don't really appeal to me, but practically the only time I ever actually bring them up is to annoy someone.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

It looks like the Tortanic has finally hit it's iceberg. F2P model = admitting failure.

princeofshapeir

Considering SWToR cleared up all the KotoR storylines...yeah nope lol

wis3boi

I saw some of that and YouTube and it was terrible. What a load of toss.

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

I don't think that is likely at all considering what happens in The Old Republic story wise.

wis3boi

Considering SWToR cleared up all the KotoR storylines...yeah nope lol

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"] i still has alittle hope for kotor 3 to come out :) and will remain with that little hope until lucasarts say never making kotor 3.the-obiwan

Considering SWToR cleared up all the KotoR storylines...yeah nope lol

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Um...we've known TOR was going to be F2P for weeks?

wis3boi

was only rumors until today

I see. Thought it was all but official from before.

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Considering SWToR cleared up all the KotoR storylines...yeah nope lol

princeofshapeir

Fighting HK47 was completely against my will :(

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Considering SWToR cleared up all the KotoR storylines...yeah nope lol

princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="the-obiwan"] what do you mean ? spoil it to me on pm if you want , plus it could just ignore TOR one thing is "explaining" another is experience itthe-obiwan

revan was trapped in stasis for 300 years by the emperor, he went completley mad and lives on an asteroid with a droid army, among them HK47. You fight and defeat them both.

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Revan's a raid boss.wis3boi

revan was trapped in stasis for 300 years by the emperor, he went completley mad and lives on an asteroid with a droid army, among them HK47. You fight and defeat them both.

well at least I can experiance the single player portion.

finalfantasy94

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"] thats on TOR though.the-obiwan

revan was trapped in stasis for 300 years by the emperor, he went completley mad and lives on an asteroid with a droid army, among them HK47. You fight and defeat them both.

good. now more people will likely get to play an awesome game.

CaseyWegner

I see it this way as well. I found SWTOR to be a blast, but being the broke college student I am, was too stingy to continue my 15$ a month sub after the first FTP month. Now I can go back and keep leveling my Bounty Hunter and and other Sith character. (Forgot what class >.<)

I said this would happen 100 times.

But no, said tenaka, the game is popular and is constantly growing.

THE BIODRONES HAVE BEEN OWNED.

waltefmoney

Fixed.

Please, declining subscription was NOT the reason. "There has been some decline in our subscriber numbers, but I wouldn't say that's what's driving the decision...what's happened in the marketplace is that free-to-play has really become the market standard for MMOs and we felt like there were both potentially millions of new players who were Star Wars fans who never tasted the game because the subscription was a barrier. Our research also told us that a lot of the folks who we had earlier on who left the game would like to come back and try some of the new features and content that we've put into the game since they've left if the subscription wasn't a barrier. So we feel like the market and our players are telling us that greater access is what they want and so we're really responding to that." EA has gone F2P and microtransaction crazy....ME3 multiplayer shows that that tactic does work.....and Ultima Online's successor will also be F2P with microtransactions. Also, EA also has The Secret World, a company does not want subscriptions being a barrier and causing competiton between their own products.texasgoldrush

It's almost 8 am and you can already smell the freshly stomped mad biodrones in the air, awesome :cool:

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Please, declining subscription was NOT the reason. "There has been some decline in our subscriber numbers, but I wouldn't say that's what's driving the decision...what's happened in the marketplace is that free-to-play has really become the market standard for MMOs and we felt like there were both potentially millions of new players who were Star Wars fans who never tasted the game because the subscription was a barrier. Our research also told us that a lot of the folks who we had earlier on who left the game would like to come back and try some of the new features and content that we've put into the game since they've left if the subscription wasn't a barrier. So we feel like the market and our players are telling us that greater access is what they want and so we're really responding to that." EA has gone F2P and microtransaction crazy....ME3 multiplayer shows that that tactic does work.....and Ultima Online's successor will also be F2P with microtransactions. Also, EA also has The Secret World, a company does not want subscriptions being a barrier and causing competiton between their own products.N30F3N1X

It's almost 8 am and you can already smell the freshly stomped mad biodrones in the air, awesome :cool:

We didn't hit an iceberg! We just made an alternate landing!

No, the ship isn't sinking! The hull was just compromised!

No we're not underwater! We're just immersed!

:P

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Please, declining subscription was NOT the reason. "There has been some decline in our subscriber numbers, but I wouldn't say that's what's driving the decision...what's happened in the marketplace is that free-to-play has really become the market standard for MMOs and we felt like there were both potentially millions of new players who were Star Wars fans who never tasted the game because the subscription was a barrier. Our research also told us that a lot of the folks who we had earlier on who left the game would like to come back and try some of the new features and content that we've put into the game since they've left if the subscription wasn't a barrier. So we feel like the market and our players are telling us that greater access is what they want and so we're really responding to that." EA has gone F2P and microtransaction crazy....ME3 multiplayer shows that that tactic does work.....and Ultima Online's successor will also be F2P with microtransactions. Also, EA also has The Secret World, a company does not want subscriptions being a barrier and causing competiton between their own products.Vesica_Prime

It's almost 8 am and you can already smell the freshly stomped mad biodrones in the air, awesome :cool:

We didn't hit an iceberg! We just made an alternate landing!

No, the ship isn't sinking! The hull was just compromised!

No we're not underwater! We're just immersed!

:P

Immersive Bioware's story-telling.

Still don't get the continued appeal of WOW, though I haven't played TOR either.layton2012

Also, WoW isn't attracting new players either.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] "There has been some decline in our subscriber numbers, but I wouldn't say that's what's driving the decision...what's happened in the marketplace is that free-to-play has really become the market standard for MMOs and we felt like there were both potentially millions of new players who were Star Wars fans who never tasted the game because the subscription was a barrier. Our research also told us that a lot of the folks who we had earlier on who left the game would like to come back and try some of the new features and content that we've put into the game since they've left if the subscription wasn't a barrier. So we feel like the market and our players are telling us that greater access is what they want and so we're really responding to that." Crossel777

They are not fooling anyone with that BS. Honesty wouldn't hurt once in awhile.

I'll probably log back on when it is F2P. The game was basically WoW with a Star Wars makeover minus an endgame. Such a shame because KotoR is my favorite game of all time.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It's almost 8 am and you can already smell the freshly stomped mad biodrones in the air, awesome :cool:

Ravenshout

We didn't hit an iceberg! We just made an alternate landing!

No, the ship isn't sinking! The hull was just compromised!

No we're not underwater! We're just immersed!

:P

Immersive Bioware's story-telling.

Please, declining subscription was NOT the reason.texasgoldrush

All MMOs suck, so who cares?

All MMOs suck, so who cares?

ShadowMoses900

A F2P model is still very profitable, just take a look at LoL, some of my friends have spent upwards of 300 dollars on champions and skins. People underestimate it, and honestly, the game would've been great if it had more initial PVP and end-game content, but alas, that does take time to build, in a matter of days people could clear nightmare raids. It was enjoyable, and definitely worth several hours to play through 50 if it is free.

Nice, I guess the wait was worth it after all.:P

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Why do you think it's shifting models?

It's funny how a few months ago whenever you said anything about the PC lacking big budget exclusives this game was immediately put in your face.

And now all the hermits are going "called it."

waltefmoney

It flopped Heil. The worst kind of flop - commercial flop.

Now every big fish in the industry is looking and saying "if a Star Wars MMO with an insane budget can't make it on PC, nothing can."

And thus, PC gaming dies. Finally.

Thanks, EA.

A F2P model is still very profitable, just take a look at LoL, some of my friends have spent upwards of 300 dollars on champions and skins. People underestimate it, and honestly, the game would've been great if it had more initial PVP and end-game content, but alas, that does take time to build, in a matter of days people could clear nightmare raids. It was enjoyable, and definitely worth several hours to play through 50 if it is free.

Dead-Memories

Exactly! People will spend 300 dollars on one game if they are spending it $1 or $2 or even $5 at a time. Just look at home much people have spent on overpriced coffee at Starbucks. If you told them to fork out $1200 for the whole year on coffee they would look at you like you were crazy. But $5 a day for a year (average working days) adds up fast and they don't even notice it. The same with microtransactions.

all the hype behind this game, all the cgi trailers and everyone saying its going to destroy wow and be the greatest mmo ever, lol. I was never into the star war series but i'll give it a go.

It will be quite limiting for free players though but at least this is a good option for those that just want to experience the story.

ZimpanX

SWTOR going F2P does not necessariy mean it has failed, I am sure it still has a moderate amount of subscribers, despite declining fast.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

It looks like the Tortanic has finally hit it's iceberg. F2P model = admitting failure.

princeofshapeir

Hey, wanna make an mmo together?

We will clone WoW in every way ranging from skills, and core mechanics and use the exact same technology they had back in 2004 (let's not take advantage of new tech). But I guess that is ok, because at launch, we shall compete with WoW of 2004, not WoW of 2012. It will be glorious, especially with this one gimmick that will revolutionize mmo gaming forever.

What do you mean it is a bad idea?!? So what if Blizzard are one of the best developers in the industry, so what if WoW has had like 7 years of refinement?

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Please, declining subscription was NOT the reason. "There has been some decline in our subscriber numbers, but I wouldn't say that's what's driving the decision...what's happened in the marketplace is that free-to-play has really become the market standard for MMOs and we felt like there were both potentially millions of new players who were Star Wars fans who never tasted the game because the subscription was a barrier. Our research also told us that a lot of the folks who we had earlier on who left the game would like to come back and try some of the new features and content that we've put into the game since they've left if the subscription wasn't a barrier. So we feel like the market and our players are telling us that greater access is what they want and so we're really responding to that." EA has gone F2P and microtransaction crazy....ME3 multiplayer shows that that tactic does work.....and Ultima Online's successor will also be F2P with microtransactions. Also, EA also has The Secret World, a company does not want subscriptions being a barrier and causing competiton between their own products.princeofshapeir

There were so many plays at launch, the server ques were 4+ hours each, so they respodned to community complaints at added about 50 servers. Obviusly no MMO keeps every player from launch, and dozens and dozens of servers just splits the players up. They reduced the servers to the amount they should have had to begin with, now almost all of them have a 'heavy' to 'very heavy' population label instead of being ghost towns. It was their own fault for making a populated game feel empty by adding way too many servers

Before TOR released.

We want to make an MMO that is nothing like WoW.

After TOR releases

Enjoy WoW with lightsabres.

Such a colossal disappointment. I tried to force myself to like the game.

Do people who actually bought the game get any kind of bonus? This actually makes me less willing to put any money into the game.

They took a single player aproach into an mmo...it had no chance to be as big as WoW for the simple reason that creating content for ToR is alot more expensive than other mmos that do not rely on writing and dialog. Its still a good game. If they do the LOTR thing, meaning selling quest packs I can see a bright future ahead.

So the ship has finally sank

Not surprising, P2P MMOs are on the way out.

Even the "all powerful" WOW has a partial F2P structure.

Please, declining subscription was NOT the reason.

" Our research also told us that a lot of the folks who we had earlier on who left the game would like to come back and try some of the new features and content that we've put into the game since they've left if the subscription wasn't a barrier." texasgoldrush

huh?