It's official Xbox 1 more powerful than Wii

[QUOTE="chronoblazer"]

Wait let me get this straight. The Wii is less powerful then the Xbox yet the games run smoother, look better and don't freeze up like some xbox games. I love the logic. Does that mean if Nintendo used Super Nintendo hardware instead that the Wii would be more Powerful tha the PS3 and Xbox 360 combined?

Freakin' nOObs.

 

JimmyT2

Zelda, Elebits, Warioware,  Smash Bros., etc. By the way, all the games released for Wii so far are ported from gamecube or were meant to be for gamecube. We haven't seen the Wii's full power yet.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="loco145"]The GC alone was about the same.JustAGamer01

Sure did not seem like it to me the xbox had the best graphics and load times last gen imo. I have yet to see any game from the gamecube/wii surpass riddick,ninja gaiden or black. The best graphics I saw on the gamecube was maybe RE4 and the wii well lets just say it's severely lacking.

Then ur really easy to impress, the cube had more than just RE4, it had prime, rouge squadron, windwaker, TP, REmake, RE0, and crap load of others and those easily beat gaiden and riddick, o and the cube had the best loading times....

None of what you said is true. Halo is technically (graphics & physics) superior to any GC or PS2 game ever made. It is also superior to any Wii game that has been (or will be) made.

Regarding load times, the real bandwidth on Xbox is far better than the GC. The hard drive on the Xbox loads data many times faster than the GC. Ninja Gaiden is a great example (it loaded once at the beginning and from then, zero load time). Although I admit the GC had great load times due to the small disk format. 

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="chronoblazer"]

Wait let me get this straight. The Wii is less powerful then the Xbox yet the games run smoother, look better and don't freeze up like some xbox games. I love the logic. Does that mean if Nintendo used Super Nintendo hardware instead that the Wii would be more Powerful tha the PS3 and Xbox 360 combined?

Freakin' nOObs.

 

chronoblazer

Zelda, Elebits, Warioware,  Smash Bros., etc. By the way, all the games released for Wii so far are ported from gamecube or were meant to be for gamecube. We haven't seen the Wii's full power yet.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="loco145"]The GC alone was about the same.JustAGamer01

Sure did not seem like it to me the xbox had the best graphics and load times last gen imo. I have yet to see any game from the gamecube/wii surpass riddick,ninja gaiden or black. The best graphics I saw on the gamecube was maybe RE4 and the wii well lets just say it's severely lacking.

Then ur really easy to impress, the cube had more than just RE4, it had prime, rouge squadron, windwaker, TP, REmake, RE0, and crap load of others and those easily beat gaiden and riddick, o and the cube had the best loading times....

Your kidding right about the graphics on those games for the cube or you never played games on the xbox or maybe you wear glasses ??

Eaisly beat gaiden or riddick lol I see you said nothing about black. As for the load times on the xbox you could swap out the crappy ata 33 cable on the hard drive/dvd player for a ata 100 cable and get a real drop in load times. 

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="chronoblazer"]

Wait let me get this straight. The Wii is less powerful then the Xbox yet the games run smoother, look better and don't freeze up like some xbox games. I love the logic. Does that mean if Nintendo used Super Nintendo hardware instead that the Wii would be more Powerful tha the PS3 and Xbox 360 combined?

Freakin' nOObs.

 

chronoblazer

Zelda, Elebits, Warioware, Smash Bros., etc. By the way, all the games released for Wii so far are ported from gamecube or were meant to be for gamecube. We haven't seen the Wii's full power yet.

That's the Sony argument. Keep waiting to prove its power. 

If that is indeed true then the 360 is about to be taken over by something weaker than its pre-decessor. Self Owned.

Though I would like to see the X-Box run Galaxy...

Iorning_board

good point :lol: 

[QUOTE="JustAGamer01"][QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="loco145"]The GC alone was about the same.Berserker_2

Sure did not seem like it to me the xbox had the best graphics and load times last gen imo. I have yet to see any game from the gamecube/wii surpass riddick,ninja gaiden or black. The best graphics I saw on the gamecube was maybe RE4 and the wii well lets just say it's severely lacking.

Then ur really easy to impress, the cube had more than just RE4, it had prime, rouge squadron, windwaker, TP, REmake, RE0, and crap load of others and those easily beat gaiden and riddick, o and the cube had the best loading times....

None of what you said is true. Halo is technically (graphics & physics) superior to any GC or PS2 game ever made. It is also superior to any Wii game that has been (or will be) made.

Look at Metroid Prime 1&2. 

That's the Sony argument. Keep waiting to prove its power. 

I thought it was about the waiting to get games?

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

[QUOTE="mirlegend"]and he knows this how?Berserker_2

He's a top executive at MS. He knows the competition. (He also has eye balls which he likely used to see Far Cry on both systems.)

Oh, boy! That surely qualifies him to know everything about the Wii!

He does have a reputation to uphold. He is also held accountable by investors and the public media.

So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap... 

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

[QUOTE="mirlegend"]and he knows this how?Danm_999

He's a top executive at MS. He knows the competition. (He also has eye balls which he likely used to see Far Cry on both systems.)

Oh, boy! That surely qualifies him to know everything about the Wii!

He does have a reputation to uphold. He is also held accountable by investors and the public media.

I think his investors and the media are interested in things of more substance.

That said, you don't think firms lie each day about their competitors?

No. They don't lie (except Sony when they said "Spring 2006"). They do speak in vague terms, but this statement is very clear. "They don't have the graphics horsepower that even Xbox 1 had."

Wario Ware is more graphically impressive then the Xbox's best offerings? I have spent many hours with both Zelda and Wario Ware so i have a good idea their graphics and I'm going to have to disagree with those. Never played Elebits and Smash Bros is yet to be released, so maybe they look better. JimmyT2

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

[QUOTE="mirlegend"]and he knows this how?Shadow_op

He's a top executive at MS. He knows the competition. (He also has eye balls which he likely used to see Far Cry on both systems.)

Oh, boy! That surely qualifies him to know everything about the Wii!

He does have a reputation to uphold. He is also held accountable by investors and the public media.

So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap...

No. But Wii developers know the hardware and Bach certainly knows some Wii developers. 

No. They don't lie (except Sony when they said "Spring 2006"). They do speak in vague terms, but this statement is very clear. "They don't have the graphics horsepower that even Xbox 1 had."

Berserker_2

Yes, and the 360 is the xbox 1.5, (Sony said it very clear too). 

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="JustAGamer01"][QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="loco145"]The GC alone was about the same.loco145

Sure did not seem like it to me the xbox had the best graphics and load times last gen imo. I have yet to see any game from the gamecube/wii surpass riddick,ninja gaiden or black. The best graphics I saw on the gamecube was maybe RE4 and the wii well lets just say it's severely lacking.

Then ur really easy to impress, the cube had more than just RE4, it had prime, rouge squadron, windwaker, TP, REmake, RE0, and crap load of others and those easily beat gaiden and riddick, o and the cube had the best loading times....

None of what you said is true. Halo is technically (graphics & physics) superior to any GC or PS2 game ever made. It is also superior to any Wii game that has been (or will be) made.

Look at Metroid Prime 1&2.

lol, Berserker got self owned. Does he really think the Wii will never have a game that looks better than the Xbox? 

[QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

[QUOTE="mirlegend"]and he knows this how?Berserker_2

He's a top executive at MS. He knows the competition. (He also has eye balls which he likely used to see Far Cry on both systems.)

Oh, boy! That surely qualifies him to know everything about the Wii!

He does have a reputation to uphold. He is also held accountable by investors and the public media.

So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap...

No. But Wii developers know the hardware and Bach certainly knows some Wii developers. 

Wii developers? IGN interviewed tons of Wii developeers and concluded that the Wii is a souped up Xbox.

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]Wario Ware is more graphically impressive then the Xbox's best offerings? I have spent many hours with both Zelda and Wario Ware so i have a good idea their graphics and I'm going to have to disagree with those. Never played Elebits and Smash Bros is yet to be released, so maybe they look better. loco145

If Riddick was ported to the Wii, you wouldn't have any normal mapping nor real time shadows. The polygon count would also be reduced. It would look like Far Cry on Wii. 

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

[QUOTE="mirlegend"]and he knows this how?cobrax80

He's a top executive at MS. He knows the competition. (He also has eye balls which he likely used to see Far Cry on both systems.)

Oh, boy! That surely qualifies him to know everything about the Wii!

He does have a reputation to uphold. He is also held accountable by investors and the public media.

So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap...

No. But Wii developers know the hardware and Bach certainly knows some Wii developers.

Wii developers? IGN interviewed tons of Wii developeers and concluded that the Wii is a souped up Xbox.

It looks like IGN Insider needs some real insiders. 

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

[QUOTE="mirlegend"]and he knows this how?Berserker_2

He's a top executive at MS. He knows the competition. (He also has eye balls which he likely used to see Far Cry on both systems.)

Oh, boy! That surely qualifies him to know everything about the Wii!

He does have a reputation to uphold. He is also held accountable by investors and the public media.

*cough*

$299...HDD standard...standard wireless...fastest selling console of all time...%3 failure rate is lowest in history of consoles...major nelson's charts...

*ahem*

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"]Wario Ware is more graphically impressive then the Xbox's best offerings? I have spent many hours with both Zelda and Wario Ware so i have a good idea their graphics and I'm going to have to disagree with those. Never played Elebits and Smash Bros is yet to be released, so maybe they look better. Berserker_2

If Riddick was ported to the Wii, you wouldn't have any normal mapping nor real time shadows. The polygon count would also be reduced. It would look like Far Cry on Wii. 

oh, i see that you have had time examining Wii's hardware. :roll:

We all know Farcry was a rushed port, nice try though.

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"]Wario Ware is more graphically impressive then the Xbox's best offerings? I have spent many hours with both Zelda and Wario Ware so i have a good idea their graphics and I'm going to have to disagree with those. Never played Elebits and Smash Bros is yet to be released, so maybe they look better. Berserker_2

If Riddick was ported to the Wii, you wouldn't have any normal mapping nor real time shadows. The polygon count would also be reduced. It would look like Far Cry on Wii.

The GC had Higher Poly count that the xbox with real time shadows (look at factor 5 games). The only reason why it would look like as is because the Wii doesn't support DirectX so is harder to do a lazy port.

So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap... Shadow_op

So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap... Shadow_op

wait if Nintendo hasn't revealed the specs for the Wii yet then why ? is it possible the Wii is inferior to last gen consoles :oAB_Uppercut

I've been saying it for a while, that's why I think the Wii's price is still a rip-off. It's a slightly overclocked Gamecube and nothing more. It should only cost half the current price. 

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="chronoblazer"]

Wait let me get this straight. The Wii is less powerful then the Xbox yet the games run smoother, look better and don't freeze up like some xbox games. I love the logic. Does that mean if Nintendo used Super Nintendo hardware instead that the Wii would be more Powerful tha the PS3 and Xbox 360 combined?

Freakin' nOObs.

 

chronoblazer

Zelda, Elebits, Warioware,  Smash Bros., etc. By the way, all the games released for Wii so far are ported from gamecube or were meant to be for gamecube. We haven't seen the Wii's full power yet.

Sigh...

PEOPLE!  YOU AREN'T HELPING THE WII LIKE YOU THINK YOU ARE!  If this is the way you help then please stop. 

None of what you said is true. Halo is technically (graphics & physics) superior to any GC or PS2 game ever made. It is also superior to any Wii game that has been (or will be) made.

Berserker_2

Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 are going to disagree. 

[QUOTE="AB_Uppercut"]wait if Nintendo hasn't revealed the specs for the Wii yet then why ? is it possible the Wii is inferior to last gen consoles :oCaptainCrazy

I've been saying it for a while, that's why I think the Wii's price is still a rip-off. It's a slightly overclocked Gamecube and nothing more. It should only cost half the current price. 

oh, so your the the one that is holding the Wii's specs:roll:

Beserker ur two things u dont know anyhting and ur full of crap, u think that riddick would be dumbed down? and that the wii will never have a better lookin game than halo, man u ur selfowned x10....JustAGamer01

[QUOTE="Shadow_op"]So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap... JimmyT2

When will u people get it? the wii doenst use the same chips as the cube everything is new its not overclocked either, sh*t... its been proven that is way more powerful than the cube...

[QUOTE="Rosencrantz"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

[QUOTE="mirlegend"]and he knows this how?Berserker_2

He's a top executive at MS. He knows the competition. (He also has eye balls which he likely used to see Far Cry on both systems.)

Oh, boy! That surely qualifies him to know everything about the Wii!

He does have a reputation to uphold. He is also held accountable by investors and the public media.

*cough*

$299...HDD standard...standard wireless...fastest selling console of all time...%3 failure rate is lowest in history of consoles...major nelson's charts...

*ahem*

You didn't prove anything. Like I said, they use vague terms. Everyone expected a standard HDD, but MS never said it would be standard for 360. I don't recall standard wireless. Fastest selling console? Maybe it was...Maybe they never stated that...

I don't recall them saying it had the lowest failure rate. They said it was a typical failure rate. Besides, who has actually counted the number of failures?  NPD doesn't do that, so we'll never know

Ignorance is not a defense.  You basically said that MS must be telling the truth because they have reputations and investors to answer to.  I proved that there are no standards when it comes to spin and that MS has clearly spewed out as much BS as any company.  May I further remind you that before the Xbox came out, MS bashed Nintendo for delaying the CG launch until NOvember.  A week later, MS pushed the Xbox launch back to November.  As would become the trend...not a peep from the lemmings.

FACT: MS does have a reputation...for being full of crap.  Yet people ahve a double standard and accept it when MS says something stupid but bash any other company when they do the same thing.

FACT: INvestors only care about money and stock prices.  If MS has to stab old ladies to get that stock price up, investors aren't going to care one iota.  So to act like BS and bravado is going to appal stockholders while the company is successfully shows not only your ignorance of the gaming world, but the business worls as well.

When will u people get it? the wii doenst use the same chips as the cube everything is new its not overclocked either, sh*t... its been proven that is way more powerful than the cube...

JustAGamer01

http://journal.pcvsconsole.com/?thread=16433

And while I'm at it...

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=38689

There aren't a whole lot of technical people in these forums, or at least technical people who know what they're talking about. If you're looking for some ammunition for (or against) Nintendo's consoles, I suggest you read these other forum threads in their entirety.

If you're too lazy to read, here's a summary: Nintendo's consoles aren't as weak as you want to think they are.

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"]So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap... JustAGamer01

When will u people get it? the wii doenst use the same chips as the cube everything is new its not overclocked either, sh*t... its been proven that is way more powerful than the cube...

No. But Wii developers know the hardware and Bach certainly knows some Wii developers.

Berserker_2

Thats just as unsupported as the info on the link you provided. All I saw in that interview was damage control, considering they had nothing to support it.

If Riddick was ported to the Wii, you wouldn't have any normal mapping nor real time shadows. The polygon count would also be reduced. It would look like Far Cry on Wii.

Berserker_2

I think it actually has been proven that Wii can do normal mapping seen on some of its games, Dewy's Adventure was one of them if I remember correctly. In any case, you're starting to sound exactly like him, unless you have the official speck sheet to back that up.

I wouldn't be surprised if the original Xbox had more graphics capability. It was after all the best (graphics wise) console last gen. It is more powerful than GameCube though, at least we know that. I never believed the rumor of Wii have twice the graphics capability of the orginal Xbox, I just don't see it to be honest. It might be equal if anything.darthogre

M$ is succeding in making DirectX as the standard. SO no directx consoles are affected, just look at the Ps3 ports like F.E.A.R. and Splinter Cel DA.

[QUOTE="JustAGamer01"]Beserker ur two things u dont know anyhting and ur full of crap, u think that riddick would be dumbed down? and that the wii will never have a better lookin game than halo, man u ur selfowned x10....JimmyT2

Theres a difference between technically incapable and and being made for a specific architecture. and the only thind the xbox has on the wii is DivX thats it.

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

No. They don't lie (except Sony when they said "Spring 2006"). They do speak in vague terms, but this statement is very clear. "They don't have the graphics horsepower that even Xbox 1 had."

loco145

Yes, and the 360 is the xbox 1.5, (Sony said it very clear too).

Fair enough. But the proof is in the pudding. The 360 is still the graphics champ. The PS3 and Wii have failed to provide games that look as good as we expected. So, when we see Far Cry on Wii or compare RFOM to Gears, and Bach says Wii is weak, his statement holds water. The Xbox 1.5 Sony statement does not. 

[QUOTE="JustAGamer01"]

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"]So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap... JimmyT2

When will u people get it? the wii doenst use the same chips as the cube everything is new its not overclocked either, sh*t... its been proven that is way more powerful than the cube...

Its good that ur open and if want more info search the internet theres several sites that prove ist way more powerful than it appears, since everyone is really undermining it in its power...

See my sig for my response.jackassultima

Lesson's 1, 2 and 3 are meaningless. When you engage in debate, the end goal is to determine facts. Opinions are unproven ideas which require debate.

Lesson 4: This statement was made by Robbie Bach and I linked it. It isn't my opinion, it is an observation made by an official source.

Lesson 5: I agree. SW is for hardcore gamers. Not everyone is hardcore (but the Sheep claim to have won the casuals over). 

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"]So Nintendo gave him the Spec sheet, and no one else? Please. He doesn't know jackcrap... JustAGamer01

When will u people get it? the wii doenst use the same chips as the cube everything is new its not overclocked either, sh*t... its been proven that is way more powerful than the cube...

If the chips are new how are devs using the old gamecube dev kits then ??

How is the wii backward compatible with the cube without the old chipset or emulation software ??

I don't know could be the wii is a faster clocked cube with more/faster memory and a couple extra gpu shaders mmmmm???

Maybe just maybe devs talk about what they are working on with other people in the industry and some are making games for the 360 as well??

I don't know the exact specs for the wii as nintendo seems to be keeping them a secret out of shame for selling a cube with motion for $250 in a slim package.

We all see that the graphics for the wii suck even by the old cube standards and anybody that had a cube and xbox know the xbox looked better. So far I would have to say yes the old xbox games look better than what's out on the wii and any one with good eyes (20/20) would agree with me on that.

you can tell this straight away by just looking at the games.....daveg1

um, no you can't, ever seen games that comeout when a system is released? They look worse than the games that come out after 6 years after that.

I wouldn't be surprised if the original Xbox had more graphics capability. It was after all the best (graphics wise) console last gen. It is more powerful than GameCube though, at least we know that. I never believed the rumor of Wii have twice the graphics capability of the orginal Xbox, I just don't see it to be honest. It might be equal if anything.darthogre

If we believe the rumored specs for Wii, the CPU is the exact same speed (733 Mhz) and the Wii has 24MB more RAM. The GPU clock speeds are also the same (250 MHz). But the Xbox GPU supports shaders. The Wii GPU does not. Shaders are what make the ice in Halo glossy and bumpy.  They also make realtime shadows possible (an extremely intensive process). This is a fundamental difference (a whole generation).

[QUOTE="darthogre"]I wouldn't be surprised if the original Xbox had more graphics capability. It was after all the best (graphics wise) console last gen. It is more powerful than GameCube though, at least we know that. I never believed the rumor of Wii have twice the graphics capability of the orginal Xbox, I just don't see it to be honest. It might be equal if anything.Berserker_2

If we believe the rumored specs for Wii, the CPU is the exact same speed (733 Mhz) and the Wii has 24MB more RAM. The GPU clock speeds are also the same (250 MHz). But the Xbox GPU supports shaders. The Wii GPU does not. Shaders are what make the ice in Halo glossy and bumpy.  They also make realtime shadows possible (an extremely intensive process). This is a fundamental difference (a whole generation).

you can still make better looking games without shaders, if your a good game designer.

^^ exactly at the that comment.. shaders are not really that important if ur a good dev....thats just the lazy why to make things look "next"gen like this gen is doing...

[QUOTE="JustAGamer01"]

When will u people get it? the wii doenst use the same chips as the cube everything is new its not overclocked either, sh*t... its been proven that is way more powerful than the cube...

y2kzorak

http://journal.pcvsconsole.com/?thread=16433

And while I'm at it...

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=38689

There aren't a whole lot of technical people in these forums, or at least technical people who know what they're talking about. If you're looking for some ammunition for (or against) Nintendo's consoles, I suggest you read these other forum threads in their entirety.

If you're too lazy to read, here's a summary: Nintendo's consoles aren't as weak as you want to think they are.

Has any Wii game looked like this?

^^ exactly at the that comment.. shaders are not really that important if ur a good dev....thats just the lazy why to make things look "next"gen like this gen is doing...

JustAGamer01

That's like telling an artist that he can't use color. 

Has any Wii game looked like this?Berserker_2