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thank you consoles for ruining the ES and making consolites think they know what a good RPG is.blue_hazy_basic
Thank you for acting like an elitist PC gamer because you play your video games on a "superior" platform.
I have 8400 gt. Can I run this game on my PC?
[QUOTE="Kez1984"]Baldur's Gate>Oblivion
By miles.
GUNpoint_
Because Baldur's Gate is a PC exclusive. :roll:
[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]thank you consoles for ruining the ES and making consolites think they know what a good RPG is.supercubedude64
Real, son. Reel real.
[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]thank you consoles for ruining the ES and making consolites think they know what a good RPG is.supercubedude64
Real, son. Reel real.
What, all i see is Moby Games sign.
But im guessing you meant Wow
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]thank you consoles for ruining the ES and making consolites think they know what a good RPG is.DeathScape666
Thank you for acting like an elitists PC gamer because you play your video games on a "superior" platform.
I have 8400 gt. Can I run this game on my PC?
Play Baldurs gate, BG2, Planescape, Fallout and a hundred other older RPG's that will run fine on pretty much any PC.EDIT Morrowind was VASTLY superior and it was a console game, as was KOTOR.
[QUOTE="supercubedude64"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]thank you consoles for ruining the ES and making consolites think they know what a good RPG is.angelkimne
Real, son. Reel real.
What, all i see is Moby Games sign.
But im guessing you meant Wow
Curse you MobyGames!
Sorry.
[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]
what? you level up. kill monsters. do quests. level up some more. there's magic. fantasy setting.Ramadear
You mean it had a few rpg elements added on, doesn't make it a rpg though.
[QUOTE="supercubedude64"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]thank you consoles for ruining the ES and making consolites think they know what a good RPG is.GUNpoint_
Real, son. Reel real.
u r noobie if you think that Oblivion is even a tenth of how good these games are.
[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Kez1984"]Baldur's Gate>Oblivion
By miles.
Kez1984
Sure, it's much better more influential game that single handedly brought rpg's back into light.
Its the most over-rated RPG this gen.. Its dumbed down every way possible to let the user think very little in any decision making..
Character deveolpment? None you can have all skills at the get go and it doesn't matter if they are major or minor they all can be maxed out.. So what you have is a thief-Mage-Fighter every time.. Infact the only way to be the best is gimp yoru self by picking major skills you never use..
Dialogue and decision making? None dialogue has no real decision making that makes a difference basically its alittle as possible for your character go from A to B.. There is NO CONSQUENCES WHAT SO EVER... You can be a evil bad ass at the same time as being the leader of the goodly fighters guild.. Top that off this game is more of a weak sauce action adventure game where you cheese swings while capitalizing on the dumb combat AI..
It gets even better when EVERYTHING IS LEVELED TO YOU.. Meaning in the end it tries to be a action adventure game where people who don't wnat to think can enjoy.. I have noticed that the majority of people who love Oblivion don't play other great rpgs much, go figure right? Lets move on to items, they are pointless they level up with you and they break immersion completely ... In the end this is the main example of what a game SHOULD NOT DO, it has been dumbed down in every perspective to what makes a good rpg.
[QUOTE="Ramadear"]I wasn't aware that Oblivion was a rpg. From what I remember it lacked RPG elements. Maybe you really meant Morrowind.GUNpoint_
haha, lol, good one. levelling up and killiing and a bit of magic, that is all what are rpgs about
[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Kez1984"]Baldur's Gate>Oblivion
By miles.
Kez1984
Sure, it's much better more influential game that single handedly brought rpg's back into light.
[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Kez1984"]Baldur's Gate>Oblivion
By miles.
Kez1984
Sure, it's much better more influential game that single handedly brought rpg's back into light.
You mean it allowed people who don't like to play a RPG be able to enjoy this one because it requires very little thought to play.
[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Ramadear"]I wasn't aware that Oblivion was a rpg. From what I remember it lacked RPG elements. Maybe you really meant Morrowind.naval
haha, lol, good one
except he forgot about roleplaying. thats what is missing in oblivion[QUOTE="Kez1984"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Kez1984"]Baldur's Gate>Oblivion
By miles.
GUNpoint_
Sure, it's much better more influential game that single handedly brought rpg's back into light.
[QUOTE="Kez1984"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Kez1984"]Baldur's Gate>Oblivion
By miles.
GUNpoint_
Sure, it's much better more influential game that single handedly brought rpg's back into light.
Wya better stories, meaningful character dialgoue, a REAL CHARACTER DEVOELPMENT SYSTEM THAT can't have you jumping to be a warrior half way into the game (being effective at least) when you were a mage the entire time.. Actual DIFFICULTY instead of a cheesy slider where most guys wer eall the same.. Realistic logic in the sense that a starving theif isn't armed with armor tha tcan buy him a town.. ACTUAL consquneces where a decision in teh game whether its dialogue, quest outcome etc etc can completely change the game.. Oblivion has none of those, if you actually played Baldur's Gate 2 or many of hte late greats, even onesas recent as KOTOR you will see how weaksauce Oblivion is...
[QUOTE="Kez1984"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Kez1984"]Baldur's Gate>Oblivion
By miles.
GUNpoint_
Sure, it's much better more influential game that single handedly brought rpg's back into light.
Baldur's Gate > Oblivion
Baldur's Gate II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oblivion
BGII has just as much replay value as Oblivion. It has about 150 hours of side quests, but most importantly it has a 40-50 hour long main quest with a great story and great characters, which Oblivion does NOT have. Magic is more varied in BGII, as well, with over three hundred unique and distinct spells available as opposed to the generic chemistry set of spell components you're given in Oblivion. There are also over two dozen playable characters, dozens of unique areas (not just generic woodlands and repetitive dungeons), hundreds of different enemy types, huge battles involving dozens of combatants, massive cities with hundreds of inhabitants, so on and so forth.
[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="Ramadear"]I wasn't aware that Oblivion was a rpg. From what I remember it lacked RPG elements. Maybe you really meant Morrowind.blue_hazy_basic
haha, lol, good one
except he forgot about roleplaying. thats what is missing in oblivionyup, at first i thought he was joking and therefore mentioned all those things without mentioning role playing aspects. now when i read other post it seems he was serious
Wya better stories, meaningful character dialgoue, a REAL CHARACTER DEVOELPMENT SYSTEM THAT can't have you jumping to be a warrior half way into the game (being effective at least) when you were a mage the entire time.. Actual DIFFICULTY instead of a cheesy slider where most guys wer eall the same.. Realistic logic in the sense that a starving theif isn't armed with armor tha tcan buy him a town.. ACTUAL consquneces where a decision in teh game whether its dialogue, quest outcome etc etc can completely change the game.. Oblivion has none of those, if you actually played Baldur's Gate 2 or many of hte late greats, even onesas recent as KOTOR you will see how weaksauce Oblivion is... sSubZerOoHumour, party interaction, actually interaction full stop, oblivion people really felt like they were dumped there and when you turned up they went through some set responses. NPC's in BG2 were living breathing entities, or at least thats what it felt like, especially Boo :P
EDIT actually Boo>>>>>>Oblivion
Its the most over-rated RPG this gen.. Its dumbed down every way possible to let the user think very little in any decision making..
Character deveolpment? None you can have all skills at the get go and it doesn't matter if they are major or minor they all can be maxed out.. So what you have is a thief-Mage-Fighter every time.. Infact the only way to be the best is gimp yoru self by picking major skills you never use..
Dialogue and decision making? None dialogue has no real decision making that makes a difference basically its alittle as possible for your character go from A to B.. There is NO CONSQUENCES WHAT SO EVER... You can be a evil bad ass at the same time as being the leader of the goodly fighters guild.. Top that off this game is more of a weak sauce action adventure game where you cheese swings while capitalizing on the dumb combat AI..
It gets even better when EVERYTHING IS LEVELED TO YOU.. Meaning in the end it tries to be a action adventure game where people who don't wnat to think can enjoy.. I have noticed that the majority of people who love Oblivion don't play other great rpgs much, go figure right? Lets move on to items, they are pointless they level up with you and they break immersion completely ... In the end this is the main example of what a game SHOULD NOT DO, it has been dumbed down in every perspective to what makes a good rpg.
sSubZerOo
No and no.RobbieH1234
allright i'm seeing the hate in this topic and I have to say one thing.
Oblivion isn't the best RPG made, definetly not. I think what it has done is create a new standard for console RPGs in this era of gaming.
Didn't he say this gen? Why are you bringing up Fallout and BG?
Anywho, I honestly think that Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey and LoZ TP were much more important than Oblivion. Honestly to even be considered for being the most important RPG of the gen Oblivion would have to be on par or better than its predecessors, which it definitely wasn't. If you gave gamers a choice between Oblivion and Morrowind with Oblivion-level graphics and spoken dialogue I guarantee they would take Morrowind a majority of the time. Heck, even without better graphics and spoken dialogue they would probably pick Morrowind a majority of the time.KodiakGTS
I have to agree with the statment Baldurs Gate > Oblivion.
Baldurs Gate is simply put, the king of all RPG games.
Oblivion is a fun game (I guess), but there is a big difference between mass quantities of stuff and quality. Oblivion is a fine-tuned RPG, no doubt about it. But a lot of the hype came from "OMG LOOK AT THAT MASSIVE WORLD!!", "GAZILLION SIDE-QUESTS!!!". Problem is when you have "massive world" and "gazillion side-quests", they end up being repetitive. I mean, what good is it to have a massive beautiful world when you will only really be using 10% of it? (Unless you are eternally fascinated with trees and hunting wolves).
I much rather have a engaging story-line and character development like KOTOR does. Don't get me started on how good KOTOR is, because it's fascinating complex story is what really makes it immersive. Oblivion is lacking in this area, while Oblivion does have some good combat, if I want combat I will just go to any other FPS-only game which will kick Oblivion's ass in combat mechanics. While Oblivion's story is neat and interesting, it does not have as near as much depth as games like Baldur's Gate and KOTOR do.
When side-quest 1 is "Hunt pink wolves" and side-quest 2 is "Hunt green wolves which are faster", having hundreds of side-quest's isn't really interesting, much less immersive or intruiging. The only side-quest so far that has been able to mantain my interest for a while is the arena, but even that gets old quite fast.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its the most over-rated RPG this gen.. Its dumbed down every way possible to let the user think very little in any decision making..
Character deveolpment? None you can have all skills at the get go and it doesn't matter if they are major or minor they all can be maxed out.. So what you have is a thief-Mage-Fighter every time.. Infact the only way to be the best is gimp yoru self by picking major skills you never use..
Dialogue and decision making? None dialogue has no real decision making that makes a difference basically its alittle as possible for your character go from A to B.. There is NO CONSQUENCES WHAT SO EVER... You can be a evil bad ass at the same time as being the leader of the goodly fighters guild.. Top that off this game is more of a weak sauce action adventure game where you cheese swings while capitalizing on the dumb combat AI..
It gets even better when EVERYTHING IS LEVELED TO YOU.. Meaning in the end it tries to be a action adventure game where people who don't wnat to think can enjoy.. I have noticed that the majority of people who love Oblivion don't play other great rpgs much, go figure right? Lets move on to items, they are pointless they level up with you and they break immersion completely ... In the end this is the main example of what a game SHOULD NOT DO, it has been dumbed down in every perspective to what makes a good rpg.
GUNpoint_
YOU CAN DO THIS WITH JUST ABOUT EVEYR GREAT RPG GAME.. THE DIFFERENCE IS YOU CAN DO THIS AT ANY MOMENT POSSIBLE.. Making it a weak sauce action game.. I didn't realize the mage thats scrawny due to study so hard with spell craft can come around and split a giant orc in two witha 20 lb battle axe.
and what are you talking about items level up with you? you mean that Umbra's strength is 33 by the time you reach 100 in strength & longblade skill? ok? how is that bad?
BECAUSE THAT IS THE DEFINITION OFA ACTION ADVENTURE GAME.. LOL.. Very few thigns get harder they just change alitle bit more subjtle fo rhte most part most of them are the exact same difficulty as they were at level 1.. Didn't know youc an complete 99% of the game including the main quest at level 2..
sweet, so basically, this is what you wanted. all items & weapons never increase in damage, & remain as is from beginning to end. ok, so lets say i make a new character, and get Umbra. level 33 blade being used by a level 1 character. ok, i'd basically kill everything with one shot. sounds like fun.
Your genious or lack thereof ceases to amaze me.. Because ina static enviroemnt you wouldn't be capable of getting the item at a very long time because Umbra would be a very high levle tough customer.. Also i would like to point ou that Umbra is really the only HAND PLACEDITEM IN THE ENTIRE GAME..
and since when do action adventure games have enemies that level up with you?
LOL if they all level up with you as you level up.. There is no difference in gameplay it would be just as if you never had a leveling system and theya ll stayed the same..
since when do you even level up in action games? i'm pretty sure that in God of War, that cyclops i killed in the beginning was just as strong as the other cyclops i killed near the end of the game.
LOL just like the majority of creatures in Oblivion.. Make matters worse everything is elveled including gear with no handplaced stuff.. Meaning? There is NO POINT IN EXPLORING.. Because teh first dungeon that you come to will have the exact same things to offer as every other in the game.. You ahve far less meaningful decision making then the majority of rpgs I have ever played.
as for dialogue, sorry, we can't all be KOTOR or Mas Effect.
What a pitiful excuse when your trying to argue abou ta game where your able to do everything with tons of choices.. If this is true where is the choices in dialogue? There are noen, this game was aweful and required very little thought to compelte.. Did your ealize you could beat the entire game at level 2?
[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]No and no.GUNpoint_
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/elderscrolls4oblivion?q=oblivion http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/baldersgate2shadowsofamn?q=Baldur's%20Gate%20II
Haw Haw Haw
[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]No and no.GUNpoint_
[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]No and no.GUNpoint_
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[QUOTE="Ramadear"]I wasn't aware that Oblivion was a rpg. From what I remember it lacked RPG elements. Maybe you really meant Morrowind.GUNpoint_
Role Play Game.
How can you role play in a game that lacks any kind of immersion...
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